Neverwinter: Preview of class rebalance and queue changes!

[@jackassbutt6443]

Enjoying the quick updates!

[@RainerNW]

Glad you like it!

[@firefistluffy4607]

The Q’s take so long to find a group I can’t even do all my random dailies because each one take about half an hour to get into it. So FRUSTRATING!!!!

[@RainerNW]

It's best to just make a group by hand.. almost nobody queues solo nowadays because it takes long to pop and because nobody queues it takes long to pop. Chicken/Egg issue :P

[@kazuya2770]

what u need is find a TANK class then Q up then it will go faster

[@hermanspaerman3490]

The latest CTA event has been a real pain. Long queue time combined with a fairly boring skirmish. But alas, I guess for a newbie those epic mounts still is worth the grind.

[@honeyafun7450]

form a group with alliance/guild members or friends and make it a private party, no waiting and you can even solo it then if you like 😄

[@RainerNW]

What you can do indeed is make a group of 5 and take turns to afk... or 2 people to afk. It's super tedious indeed - I'm glad I'm done with it

[@blackcitadel37]

Alliance groups are the best. One hdps keep wiping the mobs while the rest stay afk or talking shit and doing emotes. We switch roles every 2 or 3 runs XD

[@hermanspaerman3490]

@@blackcitadel37 , He, he, great tip but unfortunately I am not there yet. I actually had to carry a group with my shitty wizard, all other participants were below level 60, and oh-boy did we have to work to get to the end. On the other hand probably the funniest encounter during this event.

[@Thormedor]

I went the opposite way and just soloed it while basically doing everything else I could, listened podcasts. It gave me 10-20 refine box worth of medals and more than a 100 gold with the Tymora thing proccing on the top of the gear that I picked up. But it's a blue hell where all my motivation burns to dust.

[@TazikiE]

On pts my hard hitting powers damage is almost doubled as rogue shocking went from 700k on live server to 1.3mil on pts server, this is on dummy and solo

[@RainerNW]

Do note that there are a lot of buffs that are 100% too high - so that might have something to do with it...

[@vbloodyassaultx7428]

What do you think would now be the best weapon enchantment?

[@RainerNW]

If things stay the way they are and only the bugs get fixed without rebalancing for the fixed bugs... DPS: - Bilethorn for single target - Lightning for AoE

[@vbloodyassaultx7428]

Hab graf gesehen das du deutsch kannst lol da fällt es mir einfacher was ist bilethorn?

[@RainerNW]

Euhm keine Ahnung wie das auf Deutsch heisst :D Ich habe mein Spiel auf Englisch eingestellt. Aber das ist die Verzauberung die Giftschaden macht und 40er Stärke Schaden tut nach 4 Sekunden Wartezeit.

[@vbloodyassaultx7428]

Oke danke ich schaue mal nach :)

[@animewatcha]

They can solve some of the queue problems by eliminating the scaling. Leveling queue is only done for AD. Intermediate queue ( for live ) is done mainly for AD, but a chance for something semi-good. Advanced queue - more AD and better chance of Something good. Expert Queue- endgame stuff. Even then, there are dungeons/skirmishes in which people just drop out of entirely ( many bank heist ).

[@RainerNW]

Actually, with this change they are indirectly reducing the amount of scaling. Before, for and endgame character, running leveling dungeons was best bang for buck - or at least very good. With these changes however.. it will be much better for endgame characters to run higher level content. I know it's still scaled - but not to the same degree.

[@travismaddox2393]

Thank you very much

[@RainerNW]

You're welcome Travis (for some reason this showed up as spam wtf)

[@derwolfi8080]

I like that. Especially the balancing changes... Every class should habe the same damage formula.

[@RainerNW]

That's true - and finally they should have.. at least if they didn't mess up again

[@Thormedor]

How you can get MInor body injury in PE? at 0:50

[@RainerNW]

Hmm not sure where you see that injury at 0:50 - but this is preview so injuries can happen there (no VIP on preview)

[@Thormedor]

@@RainerNW Exact frame: i.imgur.com/Gl7qAcx.png

[@RainerNW]

The icons I see are: - Bonus RP event (always active on preview) - Rough AD boost - The standard longterm buffs icon - Campfire buff Maybe I'm blind - but I don't see it :-/ Where should I look? In the buffs/debuffs bar is no injury

[@Thormedor]

​@@RainerNW Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding. The injury is not on you, someone just got a body injury in the middle of the map (red rectangle): i.imgur.com/UXzoi3z.png

[@RainerNW]

Ahhhhhh now I get it haha damn :D I was so confused. Most likely just came out of some kind of content. On preview nobody has VIP so injuries are a thing there

[@xX_N_E_O_Xx]

Did I make a mistake switching from lightning to plaguefire r12? 😬 I main SW

[@RainerNW]

Ehh hmm yea lightning is better for AoE - but bilethorn is amazing for SW

[@xX_N_E_O_Xx]

@@RainerNW damn it! I'm aoe but I didn't find lightning that useful - except on trash mobs - which I have no problem dealing with them using plaguefire, but I'm not sure what to do next honestly

[@svingarm9283]

everyone is running with vorpal , so this will be a good thing.

[@RainerNW]

yyyyyea... the rage will be... present

[@Sora-o]

@@RainerNW ye im mad they nerf all my weapon enchants

[@RainerNW]

I could see Vorpal going back to 25%. Something tells me they balanced vorpal with the crit sev bug (-100% crit sev in damage formula) which makes vorpal have a much bigger impact. It might even go higher than 25% not sure.

[@vladtepes9614]

Lucky for me I never got used to using vorpal on my barb. Didn't care for it. Been playing with bile and lightning since mod 16.

[@RainerNW]

Lucky you indeed! Nice combo :-)

[@blackcitadel37]

I only have a Rank 9 vorpal with my cleric. If it'll get nerfed, how can we increase our crit severity? Healers need it for crit heals.

[@RainerNW]

Vorpal still works - although less strong. Maybe not BiS but still in the top3.

[@I8one2Many]

Wasn't there just class rebalancing on mod 16 and the devs said everything is working as intended?

[@RainerNW]

We are not on mod16 class balance anymore for months... on live it feels like im back pre-mod15 tbh... wayyyy overpowered

[@I8one2Many]

@@RainerNW well I don't understand why they would change everything, make it balanced supposedly, and then make it back as it was? I'm still watching the video, thanks btw.

[@Sora-o]

@@RainerNW overpowered? Bruh this is why everyone quit no one likes being underpowered mod 15 was the best;.mod 16 messed up the game

[@RainerNW]

I oneshot almost all trashmobs... it's ridiculous - we need a nerf :D j/k

[@Sora-o]

@@RainerNW lol

[@hbgamerbr6651]

Bilethorn now best in slot?

[@RainerNW]

it isn't, vorpal still is. But stuff is broken on preview - we have to see which changes are going to be made to vorpal once they fix the crit sev bug. If they only fix the bug and leave vorpal as is - bilethorn will be best for single target - lightning for AoE

[@hbgamerbr6651]

K im looking for option st toom in xbox

[@hbgamerbr6651]

Post new updates if possible ty

[@RainerNW]

Vorpal apparently will be buffed back to 20% with the fixes to the damage formula. With this bilethorn will slightly outperform vorpal.

[@hbgamerbr6651]

Ok ty for info bro

[@JVCKPOT]

What is best in slot weapon enchant for dps Barbarian

[@RainerNW]

For dps barb bilethorn

[@mythrelartsstudios9368]

Hey let's change the entire game, flip the script totally, make ppl buy/adapt then well flip the script all over again and nerf all the changes we made. We will then rinse and repeat and grind away all of our player base.... RIP NW.

[@hbgamerbr6651]

Hi bro its me again do you consider dread superio than vorpal too ?dread equal bile

[@RainerNW]

No dread sucks. Vorpal is better

[@RainerNW]

But I will test weap enchants soon

[@hbgamerbr6651]

Ok so vorpal already ahead

[@Sauciflash]

The problem with play time = rewards is that the better players who can complete difficult dungeons really fast after a lot of practice and grinding for gear/enchants and boons might get crap for their progress. They talked about something like this during their dev stream as well, something like the longer you spend in a dungeon, the higher the reward. Doesn't make much sense to me. Playing well, following mechanics, everybody carrying their weight, support players and damage dealers doing their job the best they can, no reward for that? If it's gonna be about time spent, then lousy players who just run around randomly will get the good stuff or we can go afk for 20 minutes at the campfire/safe space before the last boss. The players who do speed runs didn't start the game yesterday, they hustled for what they have, and if they're just gonna carry people who don't make any efforts or get crap in the end chest, they won't have any incentive to go on playing. A lot of them are just doing pvp now (with all the drama, rage, etc.), they've already lost interest in pve.

[@RainerNW]

I don't think that is how it works - you get a fixed amount of RAD for the different queues. Having said that though - It would be nice if the reward would be determined by the average completion times of queues. If queues on average takes longer -> the fixed reward goes up. If queues on average take shorter.. rewards for everyone go down. This way the system is also prepared for future content when we get ridiculous builds and it organically adapts to the content being run. Maybe the reward should even be linked to the average run time for the dungeon itself instead of the random queue category. Extreme example: If MSP can be run consistently in 5 minutes somehow -> the average run time would drop tremendously and with this system the RAD reward would adapt to that situation.

[@peramiek]

Was spielt man den als healer stat henker?

[@RainerNW]

Ich glaube feytouched aber ich weiss nicht so ganz viel von healer builds...

[@peramiek]

Ich kann net sooo gut english. Sind die nerfs definitiv?( bin ps4 spieler) Ich lass dir ein abo da:) danke für die rashe antwort

[@RainerNW]

Noch nichts ist definitiv - erst müssen alle Bugs repariert werden :D danach sollten die devs noch einen Balance Pass machen.... ich hoffe die tun das! Danke fürs abbonieren :-)

[@LookAtMeHD]

I use lightning as a tank

[@RainerNW]

Hmm I wonder if you would be better off with a bronzewood or something... some kind of debuffing weapon enchant (unless you are running LoMM or something - doesn't matter that much in there)

[@LookAtMeHD]

@@RainerNW is there anything to reduce my encounter cool downs ? It takes me 20 sec for some

[@RainerNW]

Options are different per class... as a Ranger I have almost no issues with cooldowns... even though I only use the melee encounter powers. I don't know which class you are using (barbarian/fighter most likely)

[@LookAtMeHD]

@@RainerNW I use the Fighter Vanguard

[@LookAtMeHD]

@@RainerNW sadly my rank 14 lightning is bound to account. And I'm broke diamond wise

[@keenandavies589]

Are you aware of which classes were using the additive/multiplicative?

[@RainerNW]

I think wizard, ranger, rogue and warlock were multiplicative before. Not 100% sure on the warlock

[@keenandavies589]

@@RainerNW thanks for the reply, much appreciated:)

[@RainerNW]

@@keenandavies589 you're welcome Keenan :-)

[@vampyrangel]

Thx for the video . Danke Rainer dann sehen wir mal was das alles ohne Bugs wird wenn sie diese in Griff bekommen greets vampy:)

[@RainerNW]

Ja ich hoffe die Balance änderungen werden noch mal überprüft nachdem mann die Bugs repariert... Am sonsten sehe ich es nur schlimmer werden.

[@vampyrangel]

@@RainerNW das hoffe ich auch Rainer sonst geht es immer mehr bergab es ist eh schon alles hinüber schade aber ich geb die Hoffnung nicht auf

[@oq2319]

when will this update come in? And honestly the RLQ and RIQ queues don't need a tank or a cure, especially the RLQ I've been playing a paladin tank / healer for the event and 98% of the time the tank / healer work is not necessary, the dps simply kill everything and that's it, and I understand them, they just want to get it over and get their diamond out in front of you, killing everything in 1 hit so that the tank work, I even gave up on the tank work, is not necessary most of the time; / After waiting 20 minutes in a row, I go out killing everything as fast as possible with my dps, because it's so easy, and I just want it to end soon, why can't I wait anymore ;/ it's bad i know

[@RainerNW]

I hope with this reorganization at least the queue pop wait times will improve - because people will queue for the content that they are geared for. But we will have to see... the map changes scare me a bit - don't know why. As for running through content - yes we are back to being overpowered for old content. Pre-mod16 all over again - just without all the extreme (self-)buffing.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

oof ... getting AD is gonna be even harder now under geared ... which means its gonna take even longer to catch up

[@RainerNW]

Not sure - hitting the threshold for trial/epic dungeons is very simple nowadays... and the trials give a MASSIVE amount of RAD. Make sure to find a good guild and run the trials with them.... Imo the bonus 34k is too much - but all is subject to change

[@kevindunstall5396]

no one runs CR or LoMM as a random que. almost impossible to get all players who know mechanics AND have the gear to succeed

[@RainerNW]

CR true... LoMM = REQ... and as far as I could tell REQ was one of the most popular queues to run.

[@whoareyou56101]

People complain about me being 21k in lomm untill I dust them in dps on their 24-25k toons. 😂

[@andrer.1729]

Ich lass dir mal schöne Grüße da . Hoffe das die in Sachen Balance etwas machen . Kommt nur etwas spät wie ich finde da nach Undermountain zumindest auf der Xbox viele Spieler wieder aufgehört haben .

[@RainerNW]

Hi Andre o/ Balance macht einen grossen Sprung, aber es ist noch nicht gut zu sehen wohin... Zu viele Bugs in der derzeitigen Implementation. Hoffentlich kommen auch auf XBox Spieler zurück für ToMM..

[@darasirous8319]

Thank u bro rainer for this informatio But whatever from this patchs or balance If those devs not balance classes then all this patch and balance it is EPIC USELESS and you know most then me So if those devs not balance classes this game its ll dia soon

[@RainerNW]

I hope the rebalance pans out ok. It's a bad sign that they messed up the damage formula.... the might have balanced everything around a broken formula......... :-/ Let's wait and see when it's a little bit less buggy

[@Matrtega]

F for req bye lomm 😫

[@RainerNW]

Ha yea REQ is very popular right now, because you know what you'll get.. it's not really random :P

[@RainerNW]

Also: F

[@oq2319]

I just think the developers don't play their own game, I'm sure, why not so much fun

[@DOC_NO]

Nerf, Nerf, Nerf Why is the solution always to Nerf? There's no concern for the time and resources invested by the players.

[@RainerNW]

Vorpal is "adjusted" because of the formula change. Without a change to vorpal it would become even more out of line with the rest (it would become super-BiS). It has taken a bigger hit than the damage formula buffed it though... so in the end yea its a nerf. Maybe they will raise the crit sev back a little bit so it joins BiS with bilethorn...

[@GTSN38]

It's all about the money, craptic doesn't care about your investments just theirs

[@garymasche6541]

Did you check if skirmishers gambit still has its original effect? If so it would be a huge buff, since crit sev is way more effective now

[@RainerNW]

Almost everything stayed the same with the damage formula - except for vorpal, the warlock and a nice bunch of bugs :-) Skirmisher's gambit has not been touched

[@blackcitadel37]

The warlocks are getting some great buffs tho.

[@SeanBotha]

The Great Un-Balancing of 2019.

[@RainerNW]

Current state could use some work - really hard to tell where classes will be after everything is final. Too many bugs right now.

[@AwakenToReality]

Of course these changes is about milking the players. This is something people need to get used to. To prevent lost of your time and money? Don’t go to be top dog because devs want you to spend money like an average person who trying to get to the top. New players get pushed to be average player where end game players get pushed back to average player so money comes from those areas. I had to learn this with each damn change they did in the past. I remember vorpal was top dog, then nerfed and fey became top dog. Then nerfed and now vorpal is top. Yet here come change where vorpal is back down. This is a constant cycle that just screams money greed ideas! Seriously I’m getting tired of trying to go for BiS to only get nerfed. So from now on I’ll play with average shit. Least I won’t spend time or money investing into items that eventually will get nerfed to garbage. ✋😒

[@RainerNW]

It's annoying that the power of enchantments keeps moving around I agree. But you must admit it was also dumb that Vorpal was massively better than anything else for DPS.... With the damage formula changes (crit sev being multiplied with combat advantage instead of added) - vorpal would get even more out of hand... so they needed a change. Imo the drop down to 15% is a mistake - probably based off results with the broken damage formula (which makes crit sev EVEN MORE important). I hope they tune vorpal back to 25% when they fix the formula... In that case bile is slightly better - but vorpal is far from useless.

[@AwakenToReality]

Misty Kat luckily mine isn’t. I didn’t fall for that trap with the vendor exchange. I kept my vorpal for years. Back when it was best then nerfed. I had somewhat an idea that they would buff it again. Even when vorpal at legendary was selling for so cheap. I decided to keep it. When I seen the enchantment buffed again. I was like aha I knew it! Lol. So far I have vorpal fey lifedrinker and bilethorn enchantments.

[@AwakenToReality]

Rainer luckily I happen to have a bile thorn lying around but still it sucks. I’ve seen these type of changes happen years ago too. It’s like every year or so a massive change happen to keep money flowing from people. With that enchantment vendor exchange was brilliant idea because if they don’t bring it out again? Many folks who did use it will have to build up their choosen enchantment again. That means $$$ for them. I get where you coming from with the change of damage formula but my god these devs seeks the opportunity during it.

[@wolferagonis8338]

It is better to hear you in english as to read the german. It is not near this, what you say.

[@RainerNW]

Yea the subtitles aren't super great - but they might help some people understand some things. I've been checking the german subs a bit and - although the sentences are messed up - the words are mostly correct.

[@tom-zg2dz]

This game is dead a long time ago, try blackdesertonline and thank me later

[@RainerNW]

Hi Alex, I know what you mean, but I don't have the time to pick up another MMO next to Neverwinter. I will be expanding to additional games in the future though. Oxygen Not Included being the first real one.