New 2020 Cannondale SuperSix Evo review. Thoughts.

[@donalmahon]

4 years ago I bought a new super six hi mod sram red etap for 4,700 euro. The new supersix has more than doubled in price which I think is insane regardless of being disc and a new frame design.

[@alexhultmark]

As a mechanical engineer myself I find your videos to be very good with thorough analysis. One thing about this one though is the comment about the chainstays being thinner on the new supersix. I dont believe thats the case because the old model (wich I own) has a waist behind the BB while the new Supersix clearly has the chainstays flush to the BB. I believe Cannondale just moved the chainstays outwards to create more tire clearance. I could send you a picture if interested at all in this. Other than that, keep up. Great content!

[@alexhultmark]

Just to be clear, I have not actually measured and compared the thickness of both chainstays so I could be wrong.

[@shibaburn7725]

The steering stops on the SuperSix seem to allow slightly more range of motion than the System Six. I should take a protractor with me to the bike shop next time to measure them.

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Brilliant as always. The dialog and info in these videos is priceless. Well done.

[@8rk]

Unless I'm mistaken the activation thing is just for cycling dynamics stuff. It should work out of the box for measuring power otherwise. Still doesn't justify the cost of the bike AT ALL, obviously. I'm never, ever gonna buy a new bike again. Just wait a year or two and buy a barely used spanking clean top end frame for $1500 (tops) and build it up with best and even some exotic components and you're still looking at fraction of brand new price. I built my friend a 2015 SuperSix HiMod with some insane components and the cost of the whole thing was ~$3000 with a power meter. Frame was MINT and I got it for $590. Duraace 9150 Di2 Rim groupset, 4iiii PM, all Deda top end components, 90 gram carbon saddle etc. The weight is 6.09kg.

[@solefreak2]

But not everyone is capable of building a bike... I wouldn't have a clue.

[@ketle369]

I thought about this yesterday. For the last years it made more sense to sell the old bike and buy a new one. It wasn’t much to save on upgrading components. Now it has changed. In my scenario: Last time (2017) I sold and bought a new bike it cost me 1000 USD (new bike cost - selling price old bike). And new bike had discs and more making the 1000 worth it. Now an upgrade would be 3500 and only give me DI2 as an upgrade over the old bike. I’ll rather keep the old bike then and upgrade it.

[@williamknowles3085]

I like these videos. Like Hambini but slightly tone down with the cursing lol

[@KerenWang]

And maybe a 9 instead of a 5 year old. His voice is already deeper.

[@kennethwise7108]

Makes me wish I would have held out on purchasing my Second Generation System Six (which is heavy as a bitch) and waited until this bike was debuted. This new Supersix looks TOTALLY redesigned with significant improvements made across the entire platform.

[@robby_robby_g]

Great video, thank you. One thing I do not understand is how a D shaped seat post can be described as a leaf spring without a damper.

[@PeakTorque]

Everything in the universe has elasticity, to some extent...even concrete. Thus everything is a spring! Haha. What i mean is a flexible spar of carbon will feel springy if you bounce up and down it. It's undamped because there's no viscous damper like you get on a proper shock absorber. I agree its not a problem for seatposts but if they're too soft it can feel pretty weird over 100rpm. Ask any track sprinter to do 140rpm seated on a soft compliant seatpost. They won't be able to do it smoothly!

[@JP05CPSN]

Your ass is the damper!

[@gimmigimmigimmi]

I have a 2016 supersix hi mod frame with mechanical dura ace. I paid it less than 2k second hand (basically new and never raced), 6.7 kg and stiff af because of the geometry that just works. I don't care about tyre clearance at all as long as I can put a 25mm on it. standard seatpost tube and standard stem/handlebar configuration I kept from my previous bike. the 2020 ultegra version at 6k with a 105 cassette is beyond ridiculous lol

[@shadowarmy75]

What 105 cassette do they use? I wonder if it's so they can give you a 30/32 tooth in the back, I think Ultegra doesn't go as high

[@papawhisky2935]

I'm glad you're back mate!

[@PeakTorque]

Lumbar back only

[@PedroPrego]

Actually, I was on the market for one of those new frames and when I saw that activation move by cannondale I decided not to go with them even though I was just buying the frame. It was a matter of position as I'd not support a company doing a move like that.

[@shaldon08]

The rant about the price difference with Canyon is what keeps Flying Ball in business, ie channel margin fro them and their distributor, both of which Canyon don’t have.

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

I have 2015 HM SS Evo full Sram Red mechanical in great condition. Bought it for £1.5k. Weight is 6.7kg with cages, pedals and out front mount. Now tell me what this bike CAN'T do what new Supersix will. If I loose the race it's not because of riding old version obviously. So what I get in terms of practicality? Let's go guys let's we start some assumptions :).

[@PeakTorque]

Long descents and rain, pissing Asian rain. Discs work. But that's it.

[@caperider1160]

About the powermeter cost.... i think a small portion is embeded into overall cost but actual profit is a gamble on the manufacturer's part, depending on the percentage of riders opting for one after purchase.

[@shibaburn7725]

I agree that it is disappointing that there is no visual link to the previous generations of Super Six. The bottom bracket is PF30A, not BB30A as you stated. Cannondale has 6 proprietary bottom bracket standards now. I agree with you that 86.5 mm width shell is the way to go, but I would prefer BB386EVO as it supports cranks with 30 mm spindles well. The use of the proprietary PF30A is stupid and disappointing. How is the steering stop in real life use?

[@carly200]

Love that you use Opera Browser :-) Great Video, Great Comments! Also don't understand why Cannondale doesn't use clean group sets. I use 105 or / Deore Cassetts on Ultegra/XT bikes, but only because they are cheaper. But from the factory, thats plain cheap.

[@Laundry_Hamper]

I think the PM model is that they're sold to Cannondale for a bit more than a standard crank (or whatever the bulk difference from Shimano is between a million groups and a million groups without cranksets,) and for that bit more Cannondale then get to sell a bike that "COMES WITH A POWER METER****". Then they get that bit of cash, plus a load of people paying the activation fees because, why not, the bike came with the bloody thing and they're not worth more than a regular crank on the second-hand market if they're not activated. The margins are probably a bit tighter but they'll make it up big-time with the volume.

[@noahfontaine7832]

The reason they don’t use a bb86 is because they invented the bb30A and, if they used bb86, sram would need to use their GXP arm, which is absolute garbage.

[@fernfloyd]

Good videos, odd music.

[@waynosfotos]

Interesting you mentioned the dropped set stays, i have a theory this is about the move to disc brakes. Why, when you drop the seat stays it has more force to flex it for compliance, so you can make it thicker for the same flex. But you also get a more rigid structure and smaller triangle to control the twisting forces from the disc brake fitted on one side. Thoughts?

[@BurgerTime7441]

About the price.. Yeah the Canyon have cheaper MSRP prices... but they're usually not in stock. Whereas, I could easily buy a Cannondale today. If I'm patient, I can buy last year's Super Six model with 105 (disc) for $2,700.. Whereas, looking on the Canyon website, in size XS or Small, the cheapest UItimate I could actually buy is $4,000. Yes, I could also wait and snag a scratched Ultimate with 105 or Ultegra on clearance, but I don't know if I could even catch those sales before other people. Another factor here is that the shipping costs from Canyon add another, I forget, $150 or $200.

[@IdolOracle]

I'm sure Canyon will release a new Ultimate soon (and not just an Evo) and it will be a few grand more - you always pay a premium for a brand new bike to cover the R&D

[@許嘉宇-y5r]

Except those retail prices stick around until the next generation comes along and raises the retail yet again. Paying more for new product is ok as long as the price drops after a while but that's not the model that the bike industry uses.

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

Do you have any link to show what's the budget increase on R&D in comparison to budgets increases on Marketing? Care to provide or it's only a slogans?

[@steveco1800]

Seems a lot of manufacturers are just seeing what they can get away with on the price of the top end models, and labelling anything they can as aero. Does the frame and fork have drainage for when water gets in because of the gaps for the internally routed cables?

[@mikew9743]

Same concern

[@davidoliveryankees]

And dirt....

[@shibaburn7725]

Drainage is an overlooked aspect of frames which unfortunately no "reviews" cover.

[@PUNISHERRR]

Can u make rewiew of new caad13? 😉

[@yohandsome]

yes please, you make the music this time

[@Fastfitnesstips]

Why does it cost so much more than canyon? Because it has a super rare dura-ace cassette custom labelled as "105" to avoid embarrassment with your normal poorer cycling buddies.

[@Tchairdjian]

At our local LBS here in Canada they were asking $12,000 for it and it sat there for months... the other day, I was in there and I noticed they dropped the price to $7,000. That’s CDN dollars.... stupid prices. Just gouging if they can get away with it.

[@Tchairdjian]

daAnder71 haha. LBS. You’re right. And the S-Works too they’re so overpriced. I just bought my own carbon frame and dressed it up with Di2 and Carbon Wheels... and after everything was said and done it still cost me $6,000+ only because I had to buy my Di2 Groupset from my LBS and got 20% off. Last year we were able to order parts from Chain Reaction Cycles for close to 35-40% off until Shimano banned them from shipping parts to Canada.

[@rp6760]

Reason for the 105 cassette with x1 is maybe because a 105 cassette is made of more durable material. With 1x a lot of cross chain is involved. Dura Ace cassette and cross chain.... 😰

[@PeakTorque]

the ultegra/105 is not 1x. It is double chainring.

[@shibaburn7725]

105 cassettes are not more durable than Ultegra cassettes.

[@ronitdebnath]

I have a caad12. It's so so so good.

[@fk8002]

Me myself and my Cad 12 against all ods 👊

[@ronitdebnath]

Exactly and I got in that classic metallic grey and orange of 2017. I never bought anything second hand...but this. Cause I absolutely love it.

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

Bikes now (from leading brands) become more of a jewelry than bikes itself. They starts losing its usefulness factor in exchange of bling and headache. That trend means that majority of cycling community have far to much money and not much of a brain.

[@ronitdebnath]

@@JanKowalski-pe9lo Brain or Legs*

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

@@ronitdebnath 100% :).

[@robscherer]

Debating on getting this bike in the Disc Ultegra version....hmmm, thoughts? Great video by the way. The Cannondale the Canyon Ultimate CF SLX 8.0 Di2 (non-disc)...My local bike shop is offering the Cannondale for $300 USD off the retail price

[@SubaruProduction]

i got a 2020 supersix evo utegra disc, love it!!

[@davidhorak3626]

THE MOUNTAIN VIEWS ARE INCREDIBLE. CAN YOU LET ME KNOW WHERE THIS IS?

[@bigj651]

N O

[@josephtimothy4630]

not sure if you guys gives a damn but if you're stoned like me atm you can watch all of the latest movies on Instaflixxer. Have been streaming with my brother for the last few weeks xD

[@cadendesmond7044]

@Joseph Timothy yea, been using InstaFlixxer for months myself :)

[@bmorlok1]

The 2019 and older just look cooler to me

[@michaelbostwick1441]

Where can I find total weights for this 2020 lineup? I’m most interested in the Ultegra disk model. Website shows weights for 2019 modes but not 2020.

[@MP48]

They're stupidly heavy. Hi mod disc brake bike with di2 ultegra is 7.4 kg with a crap saddle. The std mod bike is 8.2 kg with ultegra mechanical and hollow gram 35 carbon wheels. No thanks. Heavy and there's no zero offset seat post option

[@moe-moon]

Hello mate, would have thought you would have had a nosey about on the headset bearings given the last video but looks like you're just in store. I totally agree. The pricing of these bikes is getting ridiculous. I think Specialized and Trek are also guilty of this but at least the Madone is unique and every other team seems to ride a specialized bike in the Peleton, so I don't understand why Cannondale's are hideously expensive either. A project one Madone with DI2 is priced at $15k here in Australia. At the moment for me, it's between the now dating Giant TCR and the Canyon's here in Australia for us normal people without 10k to spend on a bike. It seems silly to even type 10k. Not long ago you could get an Ultegra equipped TCR non-disc for 3k which is enough bike for many of us. Cannondale's have always been expensive here in Australia. If you were lucky, you could get a Supersix Evo with Sram Red for about 4.5k on sale. I don't know where they're made, but they're priced like they're layed up in the US. The new one looks like a BMC and the silly colour stripe with this and the Supersix is very average. Better to leave it unpainted. You can tell with the old supersix they had a crack with the fluro, this one, not so much. The integration of the cabling to the front fork is nice. The current gen TCR is still using zip ties.

[@PeakTorque]

I hear you. Basically if you're buying an off the peg bike, I think there are 2 that stand out as being the best performance per value. TCR and canyon ultimate. Ironically they're probably some of the best in terms of layup quality and QC too. Kind of a double win. And exactly, im waiting for the next TCR with baited breath, and the ultimate and aeroad.

[@moe-moon]

@@PeakTorque On point. I've been having a look about but all signs point to the TCR being the same, not even using the newer defys stem and bar. There hasn't been any info on the SL models yet that I can find. Same position as you, I'll wait for the new aeroad too

[@richardh7774]

I see the 2020 TCR on the Giant Australia website, is that a new bike or just a revision of the last “new” model which I think was from 2016?

[@PeakTorque]

@@richardh7774 Yep still no tcr for 2020, guess we'll have to wait another year.

[@dominicbritt]

FYI - economics of built in power meter is that the crank based power meter is not much more that the price of a new crank. By including on all the bikes, they get a bulk price etc blah blah. Seems a bit daft to sell a bike knowing that 60% + of Evo buyers will then remove their nicely crafted Crank and add an expensive OEM Crank specific power meter.

[@dikala]

Power2max activation cost 490€. Well that's a bargain :)

[@JP05CPSN]

I found this hilarious

[@65010]

Beware: Read Cannondale’s fine print in their Limited Warranty Policy. They may use it against you for their best interest. My $5000.000 carbon fiber frame Jekyll broke after only six years of use. Cannondale never made a finding that it was due to use or abuse. A hairline crack formed at a week point in the frame. The bike was sold to me with a lifetime warranty on the frame. The best offer Cannondale gave me, under their lifetime warranty, was 20% off of retail - yes, that is right 20% off of retail. I fought them on it over a two month period and lost. So, I am now stuck with a 34lb paperweight. Cannondale has what I feel is the worse warranty in the bike business. If you do purchase a Cannondale bike and something goes wrong, know that they probably will not work with you at any level in your best interest. In my opinion, they do do not value you as a customer, they only value your money. This has been my experience.

[@SuperMeatyhead]

Yes that's why you still with specialized. I wouldn't spend as much as this on a bike if it's not got a really good backup, so that rules out canyon. I always stick with specialized, expensive but they tick all the boxes. I buy a durace bike and it has all the top kit even down to the top spec tyres.

[@airblade97]

Hi, What are your views on the SYSTEMSIX, could you maybe make a video on it comparing it to other Aero bikes out there. Great Video, you highlighted so many key points!

[@stuartdryer1352]

Great video. Was wondering if you would be back.

[@LordAus123]

Good video but the background music was a bit bizarre tbh

[@BMD8]

So don't buy overpriced bikes, see how long they hold on to that price point. Especially with their famously bad manufacturing tolerances.

[@caperider1160]

Yes, sadly cannondale has terrible manufacturing tolerances. They should pay more attention on quality control. Otherwise a sound design is screwed up frame by frame with poor tolerances. BB creaks etc

[@waynosfotos]

Also their aero claims are just lies!

[@AindriuMacGiollaEoin]

Compliance makes the SuperSix just like every other new bike. It has buy chinese written all over it.

[@PeterPutz82]

The soundtrack is really distracting, otherwise good review.

[@PeakTorque]

I blame my friend. Hes into modular synth. I thought I'd try it out here 😅

[@shibaburn7725]

Background music has destroyed so many otherwise good videos.

[@brody5211]

Peak Torque I bet he likes Depeche Mode

[@yohandsome]

@@PeakTorque fail!

[@yapmadur]

That stem looks hideous!

[@shibaburn7725]

I think it looks fine. Giant's new stems on the other hand...

[@shibaburn7725]

@daAnder71 Incorrect on both counts. The Cannondale uses a standard 1 1/8" steerer tube. You can swap in whatever stem and handlebars you wish. The Giant Propel on the other hande uses their OverDrive 2 steerer which is a non-standard size.

[@NigelSequeira]

ay! love flying ball bike shop!

[@nicholasjlloyd]

Did you ever get to try the 2020 or maybe the 2021?

[@Robin-Smith]

Good point about the pm

[@jonathanharrison790]

It's even worse than that. The women's version of the Ultegra Di2 bike is £1k cheaper for all i can see as a slight geometry change and a different saddle. Where does that extra money go in the standard version?

[@cdalesupersix]

Canyon is a totally different retail and support model, not a good price comparison.

[@Ozem_Israel]

Sounds like mass effect music in the background. I fucks with it. Cheers.

[@blizzbee]

Haha

[@reginalb124]

Firstly, that isn't how prices are derived. With regards to the power meter activation fee, my guess is that it's there to be waved as a "great deal" by their retailers.

[@thegreenbikerider6189]

Where are you at 8:20?

[@PeakTorque]

China

[@rogase68]

Hey we forgot the Garmin mount. Don’t worry just pop it on the top👎😢👎

[@mikes1984]

It is not true that thinner chainstays automatically means less stiffness since stiffness has multiple factors to it. For example if they increased the density of carbon in the chainstays, it could make up for the thinning of them.

[@PeakTorque]

Of course, by increasing the wall thickness can bring back some stiffness. But, bending stiffness of a cylindrical tube goes up with Diameter raised to the 4th power (D^4). So it's the diameter that has the biggest effect, especially if you want to keep the weight down with thin wall thickness. Thanks.

[@BikeLife154]

Peak Torque Cocky put down without being too harsh. I must lie down now though as my brain hurts!

[@garybird8646]

How's the Trustpilot score on Canyon these days? last time I looked it was pitiful with horrendous feedback from owners and their UK service centre is a revolving door of harassed employees who can't take the aggro associated with poor quality product. Don't believe me? Google why are all our Canyon's breaking. A thread from the cycle club London Dynamo where several members had major issues.

[@PeakTorque]

Interesting. I will look into that. But how many people you know have left a positive review on Trustpilot? We only hear the bad cases.

[@ryanling7319]

Wil himod carbon be better in term of speed and conform?

[@PeakTorque]

Technically as long as is the frame is elastic and springs back the amount you deflect it, you won't lose power. So a stiff frame doesn't make you faster. It's more of a feel thing, it will feel more in phase with your max torque every pedal rev, probably corner and descend better too giving you more confidence....in the end helping you go faster.

[@sylvaina.2455]

I totally agreed !

[@alb.1911]

You still asking why the Cannondale is 3,5k £ more expensive... maybe you forget that you have to feed the national distributor and the local shop like every other product in this world that isn’t directly sold from the factory. 😀

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

That's the bad excuse. Please do the math first.

[@alb.1911]

@@JanKowalski-pe9lo what math? It isn't a secret that big company sell their products at more than 10time the cost, it doesn't happen only in cycling. If you want more value you have to go to smaller or micro-brands.

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

@@alb.1911 Glad you aware of that. Now learn to get info whats happened with that difference.

[@MP48]

It's a stupid business model to fit a power meter and then make the customer pay for it again I won't buy the bike because of this. Do you have a ride review?

[@BurgerTime7441]

I don't understand why some of you long time Cannondale fans want the new bike models to look the same as the old bike models. That's odd. If you want the old one just buy the old one. You can get them quite cheap now.

[@jessedavis1489]

Is the 105 a good climbing bike

[@Justnothankyou132]

Yes, but they are rare. Actually this is the first time I've heard of it.

[@tekesbur]

Where are those switchbacks in the video?

[@ronnychristanto245]

sorry to ask, whats your high please

[@PeakTorque]

Ronny, 195cm

[@kavinda2883]

superrr

[@Grunge_Cycling]

Yo when are you coming to Beijing again?

[@PeakTorque]

When i get extradited probably. No plans as yet.

[@caperider1160]

I like your argument about the price comparison between cannondale and canyon high ends. I agree cannondale has no rational justification for the huge price difference. And BB30A must be trashed!

[@mryizhao]

The old supersix is the original aethos

[@louisbenmax9697]

there is no quarq on that model. Canyon do not spec powermeters.

[@PeakTorque]

If im not wrong that sram red etap axs chainset has a built in power meter (which is quarq).

[@Freddy3792]

@@PeakTorque No there is a version of the chainrings without a powermeter which is what Canyon is specing. Thats really a pain with Sram Red. On the old etap I had to get the power crank and sell the old one as you cant remove the spider on the old eTap. At least I could reuse the Chainrings which is not possible with AXS.

[@V_I_S_I]

background track id?

[@PeakTorque]

Friend made it. Mod synth!

[@yohandsome]

@@PeakTorque that's why it's so horrible!!!

[@TheDennzio]

gawd that music

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

I love when you call out makers for ridiculous pricing or schemes. Cannondale pairing 105 on a top shelf bike.. and making you pay extra to activate the power meter?? Shameful.

[@matthewfrancis3706]

the old supersix was the best looking bike in the peloton, why would you go and butcher that

[@TheWoogeroo]

Did they win anything with it though?

[@marcuscheung5025]

Dude, the first 15 seconds are in China lmao

[@yokokoko499]

Well then dont buy it if u cant just dont judge lol its really an improving bike

[@Timtimzi]

Never knew I needed to watch this video...Bike prices are crazy these days. I have enough bikes... I think. . .

[@hesh2death1]

N+1

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

N+1 or have a brain... The choice is yours :).

[@danielmarshall356]

FFS - just pedal quicker

[@6368-p1q]

Rất đẹp!

[@icycalm03]

Good review, but imagine paying all that money for a heavier slower bike than the last “classic” Evo? Because that’s what it is! Nobody has actually ridden it and so it’s worrying that it could actually be awful AND expensive. All the pros riding them are riding rim brakes, but the public can’t get that spec. Absolute commercial suicide by the company.

[@ronitdebnath]

The pros riding the rim is the non himod lower level frame.

[@alihussein2091]

its hideous, bring back the old design.. with a BSA bottom bracket

[@marcuscheung5025]

Bro, your bikes are literally Chinese reddit bikes.

[@DanielHegartyVids]

the creaky seatpost/clamp has ruined this bike.

[@yohandsome]

get rid of the horrible music! arrghhh torture feels like a 5 year old tried to make ambient IDM :S

[@Sills71]

Overpriced, cheaply made with a poor BB design.

[@simzer]

Its a shame how you falsely claim that the SLX is the flagship model while it is not (the Evo is). And how you compare cannondale's MSRP (which is higher than actual retail) to canyon's website price (which is less than what it would cost you because it is missing shipping charges). Finally, You pay more for a cannondale because it is a better and a faster bike. It is that simple mate..

[@82vitt]

The shipping charge to the UK will be £50 at best. I recently paid $90 for shipping a frameset from Boulder, CO, to the UK, FedEx, fully insured. MSRP is how much higher than the actual retail? £3500? How exactly is the Cannondale (frameset) better (faster or not is down to the rider's ability and disposition on the racing day)?

[@simzer]

@@82vitt it's cheaper to ship across the border to European countries and to the US where canyon has a distribution center. It will cost you more than $300 to ship to other other parts of the world (like Asia and the Middle East). As for price, I paid €3000 for my brand new bike including UPS shipping from an European cannondale dealer. With regards to how better/faster a Cannondale systemsix frame is, you can find that it in the wind tunnel numbers when it was compared to the rest of the big brands aero bikes. It will save you several Watts if you buy the complete package. At the end of the day, if you are the same cyclist, you will gain noticeable speed when you're on a systemsix bike over what you can attain on a Canyon Aeroad. That marginal gain/speed has considerable monetary value that normal people have no conception of, as all they care about is how much money they're saving.

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

Oh no... do you even racing man? I don't think so otherwise you would not states such a bullcrap about wind tunnel data. Go, race and guarantee you that lack of Aero bike will be the least thing you blame. Now please stop talking nonsense.

[@simzer]

@@JanKowalski-pe9lo actually I do race, and I've studied mechanical engineering, and totally comprehend all the concepts of fluid mechanics and aerodynamics. Wind tunnel data have an impact on how fast a bike is (if you believe that every watt counts). However, If you have all the power in the world and don't care about how much effort technology and frame design can save you, then yeah..Skip my post and go chat with ignorant people who might share your premise..

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

@@simzer Dude... please stop. Even guys from Pro Peloton know that statements are worth less than paper which they were wrote on vs real life. Just stop.

[@richardcarr6493]

DEAR CARBONDALE ALE GET STUFFED !! PS BUY A CANYON INSTEAD

[@davidoliveryankees]

And u hv to pay freaking hi end price then only you hv a freaking carbon seat post, otherwise aluminium dafaq?!

[@MerlinMan1579]

This dropped seatstay supersix is just like all the other dropped stay bikes, why join the mob and lose the classic lines.....this thing is ugly and looks cheap.

[@wuthemaurine735]

plus, its stupidly ugly compared to other bikes actually not even compared to others its just utterly ugly

[@danloubser6133]

the Froomey references aged poorly