New 2024 Moto Guzzi 457 Retro Spied: Everything You Need To Know!

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[@robertlindstrom540]

They are experimenting by the looks of it, at this stage. The end product will propably look entirely different and the badging remains to be seen. This sub 500 segment has suddenly become very competitive. Now most of the major brands have something to offer.

[@rleerm]

Indeed, why assume it will be a retro? Could just as well be an atypical naked

[@aleokyn5757]

Those who say no remember, Asia market mean million of money for company, they need it to survive.

[@andrewdyson4255]

Just No, Guzzi do what you do. Don’t re badge an Aprillia

[@Big_Tyrone138]

It's a good idea to add some variety to all bike types and CC ranges.

[@andrewdyson4255]

@@Big_Tyrone138 totally agree so Guzzi could re introduce a 350 v twin from many years ago, just bring i5 up to date with emission laws

[@Big_Tyrone138]

@@andrewdyson4255 Yes. We do need more smaller cruisers or retro bikes. Too many people go to the MT-03, R3, or Ninja 400.

[@paradoxworkshop4659]

Wouldn't it sell better as an Aprilia?

[@nickbrigg5203]

*shrug* on the Guzzi likeness, it's just nice to see another engine type other than singles in the small capacity neo retro category.

[@storegga]

It's how brands survive. They're born out of necessity not greed. Guzzi cant just rely on what they're good for.

[@straightup1234]

Got to be a good thing bike for all segments 👌

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Every country that loans their currency from the central bank/Fed/printers suffers the same devaluation of their money. Which causes all industry to have to do stuff to survive. When will the world demand these scumbag bankster currency generators get out of their economies?

[@IslandArt61]

Actually you CAN rely on what you are good at. You just can't rely on what you have done for decades without moving it forward. You have to improve -- like they've done with beautiful V100 Mandello! What you don't do is box yourself in as a fashion brand whoi's aging customer base will brook no change, a-la Harley. The new Mandello competes well with the other Euro brands if sport performance is not the main deciding factor. A V550 Mandelo would definitely sell me. Something like this just sends me back o the Honda/Kawasaki/ et al, dealerships.

[@BroadwayT660]

Would love to see a Aprilia Tuareg 457 in their Group's line up.

[@bamboostick5]

If Aprilia made tuono 457, it would definitely sell a lot

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Maybe. But without being a single pound over 400 with a full tank of fuel. Otherwise forget it.

[@slacker2101]

Better if they did a big single, an updated Falcone.

[@goldilocks913]

This 👍 Bright red and clip ons

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

With a bacon slicer!

[@SPSteve]

That would be amazing!

[@motorcyclesplanet]

Instead They Should Bring back the Old V35 engine which was used on the v35imola and v35 florida just upgrade them to modern standards

[@heikothomas5883]

yes for the looks of it, no for the weight and lack of power, if aircooled. I also assume that the V-Twin is expensive to build and would make the package uncompetitive.

[@_audacerider3838]

The cost of a making a new v35 would be double if not triple then a new parallel twin. Plus if You put a shaft drive the bike would be much heavier than the competition. With the worst performance, no one would buy them at the beginning Moto Guzzi bikes had single cylinder engines with chain drive so why not a parallel twin. If that would mean a light nippy modern motorcycle then why not. Look at BMW they make all sorts of different engine configurations and no one is crying about it. Same with Ducati now making a single and a V4 on top of their L twins. I want to see Moto Guzzi for another 100th years

[@shirsoghosh4238]

​​@@_audacerider3838lol 😂 😂 you don't buy a moto Guzzi for performance. So this statement makes zero sense. It doesn't need top notch performance, it needs to feel and ride like a moto Guzzi. Production might be a little bit higher, but not astronomical as you put it!

[@topgearnutter]

IMO this is a great step for Guzzi. The reviews of the Aprilia with this engine are all saying the bones of the bike are great, with a torquey engine etc. Having owned a V7 (which had about the same power) I am looking forward to seeing the finished product. Sure it doesn’t have the V engine that Guzzi is famous for, but I would prefer Guzzi surviving and not becoming a Harley-Davidson clone, with a dying customer base and all….

[@s0meguy809]

The v7 850 has 65hp

[@topgearnutter]

@@s0meguy809 yup the new updated one indeed. I owned one from 2014 to 2018, a V7 Stone model, and that had similar power to this new Aprilia engine

[@_audacerider3838]

As a Guzzi owner I would love to see a return of a V35 engine with shaft drive in a small bike. But it would make it heavier then all other small cc bikes and if you only make 47bhp a 200kg bike would feel slowish. Plus if You dive in to the Moto Guzzi history they were building single cylinder engines before so why not a parallel twin?! If that new engine would mean Moto Guzzi can still exist and build other bikes then I'm happy that they are doing it. Just look at BMW they do singles parallel twins boxer twins inline fours and inline six cylinder bikes and no one really gets their nickers in a twist because of it. So I'm ok with it as long as the bike itself will be light and nimble well built with a competitive price tag. Being a Guzzi owner gets a bit lonely at bike meets cause normally I'm the only Guzzi owner there lol

[@shirsoghosh4238]

😂😂😂

[@IslandArt61]

BMW is a giant company unlike MG. Moreover, I well remember when the 1000/750 "Bricks" came out, there was backlash from the traditionalists. Same when the boxer went to the "oil-head", or the F650 and R1000. There were multiple schisms among BMW owners. I used to ride a restored R65 Air-head (because the un-restored bike cost me $500) I was invisible to the oil-head crowd, and air-head people just wanted to talk about tradition and "real" BMWs (Air-Heads) I just wanted to talk about motorcycles. As a giant company, BMW Motorrad offers all manner motorcycle configurations. But they still offer the boxer -- if greatly modernized. Re-badging another machine is not the same thing as developing in house. I understand the economics of the choice, but I'm tired of the current parallel twin and chain monotony. If those are my my choices, I'll go Japanese. A V550 Mandelo I'll buy tomorrow.

[@MrSeansy]

The exhaust very clearly says 440cc, handwritten. One can assume they changed some internals to differentiate it a bit from the 457.

[@MrAndrew1953]

Good to see Guzzi dipping their oar in at this end of the market. Hopefully it means an intro for riders moving up to the more advanced level of bikes.

[@kennedyracing7527]

It could be a great opportunity for a entry level bike. Think of Porsche they had to make SUV’s to stay in business to make the 911. Sometimes you need to build things out of your comfort zone

[@ripmax333]

They have to because its what Europe Dictates. If they want to survive its inevitable.

[@adriengahery9471]

Great upload, thank you for posting. We certainly could get a cue that this is going to be a retro-looking bike from what you've said in the video. But since there are these odd blue telescopic thinges (sensors I suppose) along suspension travel, I suspect Guzzi is still at the developpement stage. I'm eager to find out more about this bike, but I don't expect to see it anytime soon on the road !

[@ramarajp5096]

Great work guys ❤❤

[@camerongeater5404]

I think it will be a good move for Moto Guzzi. I can't speak for the Euro and Asian markets but here in the US, Moto Guzzi is viewed as an obscure brand, and a cheaper entry could sway people to give it a try. And in regards to the p-twin/chain drive setup, a lot of Guzzi fans (my own father included) will be disappointed to see them stray from their iconic engine and drive setups, but in this category of bikes, a V-twin/shaft drive setup would make it too expensive to compete. New rider and riders on a budget would be priced out, and riders looking to spend a bit more would likely want more than a 450cc.

[@sid426_]

Transverse mount guzzi😢

[@viperq]

Looking forward to this.

[@jonathantrice7614]

Remember the Guzzi 250cc two stroke twins in the 70's?

[@zuhair6661]

What Moto Guzzi has tried to here is to build the motorcycle to a price, probably with the high portion of sales aimed for the Asian market and probably for the South American market as well. Parts sharing will help in keeping the costs down and Moto Guzzi isn't a brand headlining the mediocre markets. Besides this fact usually there is a tough competition in such markets that is why Moto Guzzi went for an economical approach.

[@s.venkateswarpatnaik2484]

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[@brianward7035]

Very well thought out commentary. Thanks. Everything about this upcoming bike screams NOT a Moto Guzzi, but that probably could be remedied, as you suggested, with MG styling cues, colors, etc. I'm guessing Piaggio watched BMW introduce the very UN-BMW Rotax parallel twin models and thought hey, it's worth a try. Setting skepticism aside, it WOULD be nice for MG to have an entry-level model at a reasonable price point, and even better with some Aprilia-style performance flair.

[@davidforsdike4343]

Guzzi have made singles in the past. A small single would have been a better choice.

[@davidspin5353]

If its not a V twin is really a Moto Guzzi?

[@thebrowns5337]

It's a Piaggio

[@davidspin5353]

title says Moto Guzzi.... so theres that!@@thebrowns5337

[@willyrackham2957]

If you look at moto Guzzi history ..they have made singles ...twins..triples ...wide Vtwins.... inline fours ..so a parallel twin is completely at home with moto Guzzi

[@akiuliano]

You go Guzzi!

[@chrisbike77]

It's been announced as an Aprilia round these parts, i.e. Mid-Continental Europe.

[@Scout4x]

1st stage test mule by the looks. I would imagine it'll look much better when/if it comes out.

[@Nick-Emery]

I like to see some of the old classic brands making new bikes, even if they’re platform sharing. Platform sharing makes so much sense from a price perspective. I wish to see another Cagiva, MV Agusta should bring out more reasonably priced (even smaller capacity) bikes under the Cagiva brand

[@the_winged_helm]

This prototype has been touted as the Tuono 457 in India. Could be rebadged as a Guzzi in other markets I suppose.

[@4RMS7TRONG]

Its more than likely going to be an Aprilia. I can't see Guzzi going off brand.

[@the_winged_helm]

@@4RMS7TRONG yeah, can't see that working out well for them. That said, people seem to be moving towards lesser capacity motorcycles worldwide, that are cheaper to buy, easier to ride daily and maintain. So you never know.

[@h8510129]

My friend has the v7 special and comparably this one looks much less clean. We'll have to see how it turns out in the final model

[@pja7]

Triumph don’t really have much of a history of small capacity, single cylinder engines either, but here we are

[@Cyco-Dude]

Oh i'm sure most of that will change on the production model. That suspension is likely just for testing to find a good compromise between compression / rebound, travel, etc. I can easily see a more traditional shock setup on the rear as well.

[@auntieprimrose4138]

Piaggio also have the Derbi and Gilera brands as well. A new 447 Saturno, or Muhacen ?

[@Dimi3vdv]

Why is it so hard to put a twin shock on a modern classic design. Triumph 400 also, monoshock.... that was the only disapointment esteticly in my opinion with them . That big open gap between rear wheel en fender needs be filled with shocks . Look forward to what Guzzi going to bring ,they look awesome and this also at first glanse

[@MrLagnil]

In a parallel twin, both pistons reach top dead center at the same time. In a parallel twin where the pistons move up and down at the same time, the crankshaft angle is 360 degrees.

[@kiplambel4052]

Didn't Guzzi make only singles in the early '60s? In order to "go head to head with the new Triumph 400" they're gong to need to work on styling quite a bit!

[@classicrider5274]

Can someone advise regarding the engine, I read that is from a Chinese company but also someone wrote that it’s made in India, is that correct?

[@DukeOfTwist]

oh that Guzzi tail light reminds me of the Aprilia Gen 1 Tuono from 20 years ago.

[@abhirajshetkar2]

when to expect this one?

[@bonjovi1354]

actually its a good chance for them to launch this in india ....will b reasonbly priced

[@pipes9878]

With using the parallel twin I'm reminded of early Guzzi's 🤔 I Hope the TfT is for testing convenience it doesn't sit right and I'm reminded of the Brough (vintage looks epic, modern interpretation.... eBay catalogue of parts with no clear direction) Definitely agree with waiting to see final concept but I do think a small capacity machine would do well in A2 areas and Asian countries.

[@scottn96]

Especially considering that the first transverse v-twin didn’t come out Moto Guzzi until the mid 1960s. That makes it a real retro. 😊

[@classicrider5274]

Which models of Moto Guzzi were parallel twin four strokes that you remember?

[@scottn96]

@@classicrider5274 not a specific model plenty of horizontal singles, vertical singles, widely spaced v-twins, and even a prototype v8 500. Guzzi was never shy about trying a new engine configuration before the air cooled transverse 90 twin with shaft drive formula that dominated from the mid 60s to their first water-cooled motor ever with the V100. Also things change. A budget entry level Moto Guzzi could introduce riders to the brand.

[@kankit230]

This engine is very tractable and will be very good in a pethora pf products

[@chadlewis4302]

Guzzi had other engine layouts, and not all were racing only. The Gts 350 inline four, or the worlds smallest, at least as far as I know, the 254 inline four. Everything old is new again!

[@abymathew295]

Bro...its an Aprilia...sharing the same engine on the RS 457....to take on the RE 650s....it gotta be the first retro Aprilia as far as i know.

[@DukeOfTwist]

Moto Guzzi should be hitting up Aprilia to develop a V4 version of the V100 engine with 1500 cc & 180hp shaft drive and build a Big Naked like the old BMW K1300 was in the day.

[@spiderpsx1]

Guzzi Made several bikes in the past without the transversal vtwin, all of them with small displacement

[@bulthaosen1169]

You sure it won't be aprilia brand? Kinda weird if you ask me.

[@QUATTROMARCE]

I think it's more likely a remake of the Aprilia Europa '90.🤗

[@whylie74]

Guzzi have done this before with a re-badged Benelli 250 4 pot.

[@fauveride]

Moto Guzzi will inevitably compete with Triumph, and if the specifications are improved and the service center is expanded, more people will choose them.

[@TheStumpyFingers]

They should bring back the v50, with shaft drive the bop would still be A2 compliant.

[@rickh8380]

Hell I'd buy one. Why not. If it moves my sole, I could live with it. Buy it, ride it, and enjoy every minute that I had it.

[@Nomikeal]

I dont like the departure from the Guzzi formula of V2s but if it keeps the brand alive and gives us even better purebred Guzzis I can't really complain. I hope it is as successful as the Porsche Cayenne so we can get the Moto Guzzi version of a GT3!

[@itsBKoutdoors]

I can’t get my head around a Guzzi without the transverse V…

[@PratikSatpute12]

This aside, still waiting for your take on the Triumph 400 twins.

[@MrKillervincent]

Triumph 400 is a single 👍

[@arax20]

I'm not sure what the selling point is compared to the royal Enfields 350s, triumph 400s, and the new Indian Harley

[@dieselboy914]

This is pretty criminal. A Moto Guzzi withOUT a V-twin? That's like a Sunday Roast without the Roast.

[@keithcasner6842]

No doubt about it

[@r.j.bedore9884]

I would love to see a smaller, lighter Moto Guzzi with a 450-650cc engine, but not a parallel twin. A very big part of the charm and appeal of Guzzi motorcycles is the little side to side rock you get when accelerating, which comes from their signature shaft drive and longitudinally mounted V-twin (and yes, the correct nomenclature for how they are mounted is longitudinal, not transverse as was said in the video).

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Many millions of dollars developing a single engine. All the doggone red tape regulators is the worst part. If it weren't for all the propaganda about the end of the world if we let out a couple of hydrocarbons, we'd see a lot more development among manufacturers, like all the wild cool stuff that Japan was doing in the 80's and 90's.

[@shmac96]

The V7 is "learner based" isnt it? If not then the every review I've seen has lied. Love seeing Moto Guzzi making expanding their line up. Still would love to see a fuller version of the V7. Bike is just a little too "learner based" in size and stature.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

It depends on licensing requirements in your region. In Australia, the old V7 was learner legal. The new V7 isn't, it puts out too much power.

[@shmac96]

@@davidbrayshaw3529 Yeah it is different here in Germany and in North America it doesn't matter.

[@nigelhazlewood4822]

Why didn’t they recreate a small transverse twin such as the V35 Imola????? Now that would be a beautiful characterful Guzzi!!!!

[@bigbird2523]

This frankenstein bike just borrowed Piaggio's part that accidentally it was a Moto Guzzi's tanks and tail light. I still believe that Piaggio has to remain on Moto Guzzi's herritage and charming that should not be damaged

[@kaveiros75]

I understand that every company needs to capitalize as much as possible with any new engine. But I would rather see a "retro" small Aprilia roadster, or a new, smaller capacity V-2 engine which would be an actual MotoGuzzi. I understand the "economy of scales" stuff, but getting more and more towards "universal bikes" with no independent personality, makes me sad. And MotoGuzzi is all about personality (and quality riding).

[@flatcapcaferacer]

While it isn't a finished product this bike has a looong way to go to fit into the styling of Moto Guzzi lineup and doesn't even look close to the Triumph 400s.

[@willyrackham2957]

You mean the Bajaj 400

[@jpraserttangsatapornpan9942]

I need shaft drive.

[@mloclam6917]

Exhaust pipes becoming bigger than the engines

[@nickotoka]

Could that be the return of the Brevita?

[@not-fishing4730]

Bring back the Gambalunga with a horizontal cylinder!

[@4RMS7TRONG]

Why are we saying its a Guzzi? The tank doesn't really match the guzzi shape or style. The rear lights? ok maybe. But its more than likely that Aprilia are using Guzzi parts for styling and the bike will actually be an Aprilia retro.

[@thomasneedham1512]

The lower part of the tank area looks very Guzzi as well as the taillights which could have been taken from my V85TT. A lot of clean up before this one is ready for market but it looks interesting.

[@romroger]

we need a tuareg 457!!!

[@SPSteve]

That doesn't say Moto Guzzi to me in any way. If they want to get into the smaller displacement class they should do a well disguised water cooled single cylinder retro like a modern Falcone.

[@sam_o_b]

Badge engineering, not a Guzzi in any meaningful way, they could have ran with an Aprilia naked, fundamentally that's what it is.

[@thebrowns5337]

I WANT ONE ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@thefunk731]

Aprilia Shiver 457?

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Tuono, probably.

[@therealunclevanya]

The Himalayan 450 will be out soon as a scrambler and a roadster and will be much cheaper than this. While I get it, and have an 850 Guzzi I would have preferred they had a look at the 500/650 Monza engine to see if it could be updated to Euro6. There are no shaft drives apart from the V7 under £10k.

[@waynesellers4078]

This looks similar in design to my old suzuki 350 goose.

[@vivekpatel3752]

Motorcycle brands now realize that selling over expensive bikes in the name of tech won't help them as people just want a decent riding machine which gives the experience of freedom... people don't want to pilot space ships ...they want a decent riding bike which can give them memories...

[@stellauniversal]

Moto Guzzi is the type of bike I like to see but with no intention of buying one. The same thing with cars from Alfa Romeo

[@Geshmaal]

I don't mind Moto Guzzi doing an entry-level bike and I also don't mind it sharing an engine with an Aprillia. That said, I would rather this bike harked back to the old Moto Guzzi single cylinder 500cc machines. This looks like it could be a Honda or Triumph and parallel twins are everywhere now...

[@Paulfarmer-en4vh]

They had a 350 imola in the 80s that was vtwin guzzi if they modernised that with a catalyzer to pass emissions !!!

[@tonymarsh8436]

That rear shock looks more like a R BMW monoshock than anything else. Not that that's a bad thing.

[@FTStratLP]

This is as cynical as the new Triumphs 400 are. No, of course this is not cynical. But this bike will be a huge competitor to the Triumphs 400. Especially in the European Market, outside the UK, where Moto Guzzi always has been more popular than Triumph.

[@risvangenbrnshj918]

OMFG 😱

[@Big_Tyrone138]

Nothing wrong with making bikes for all licence ranges.

[@aromaticsnail]

The first time I heard about these spy shots it was meant to be an Aprilia neo retro. If indeed is a Guzzi, I really don't know. Some brands are associated with their characteristic engines. I don't see how this could work.

[@TheINDIAN]

What Norton is supposed to do is what motguzzi is doing.

[@ChrisBOMtoATL]

Aprilia Shiver 457 😅

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Tuono V4 Tuono 660 Tuono 457 most likely

[@bigjoe4020]

If you ask 10 people what makes an MG, I bet 9 would says its the transverse V-Twin. Case closed ! This is just money makin since the 3-500cc market is quite hot at the moment and everybody want a piece of this large pie.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

This sort of reminds me of back when Kawasaki took their old Ninja 500R powertrain and slapped it into a Vulcan 500, but nowhere near as purposeful as when they did this to the current 650. Guzzi, you're known for pretty much one thing and one thing only, and this just doesn't work for your branding.

[@kyakaruvlogs2784]

This is a Tuano not a MG

[@chopsandarchie7015]

MG have to be transverse V twin for me

[@RupertFear]

I agree, this approach worked very well for BMW

[@simtalkayak]

... Would love to see a V35.. this parallel might be a cash getter, maybe a 35esk bike would follow after. *Takes off my foil hat and gets back to real life.

[@IslandArt61]

If they made an actual 450 Guzzi -- like the beautiful V35, V50, V650s of yore -- I'd buy it tomorrow. A 450 to 650 version of the V100 Mandelo. I swore my next new bike will be 400 to 650. No more liter bikes no matter how much I love that V100, This however? Never. Parallel twin with a chain? Never. Kawasaki and Honda are bringing back the 400/4s. How about a V550 Mandello?!!

[@jcliggett53]

It's a bit of a dog's breakfast in terms of design. I agree totally with nickbrigg5203 that we need more bikes in this displacement range. But surely Moto Guzzi is capable of downsizing their iconic transverse twin (in fact, it probably was already built back in the 1950's) to meet that need. I own a 2010 V7 so I know wherof I speak.

[@bikegeist]

Can't wait to see how this turns out. Looks like right old mess at the moment.

[@barryolaith]

From the start, 0:00, you say that it "looks to be a .. retro". You then spend a good proportion of the report criticising the styling for not being very retro. Can you see the problem here?

[@heikothomas5883]

The V7 as Moto Guzzis smallest bike is overprized (for whatever reason) and therefore not attractive for young (potential) drivers. They need a model to compete with entry level motorcycles like the Triumph 400 series.

[@jamesonpace726]

This is the problem with corporate overlords - shed loads of cash with impossible requirements....

[@Bugside]

The interesting part of a Guzzi is the transverse V, this is kinda pointless

[@lauriebloggs8391]

...........longitudanal V twins...............

[@BigMoeFo]

GUZZI did this with Beneli in the 80's when DiTomasso merged the 2 companies bad idea. Take that V100 engine and put it in a Cruiser. Bring back the California line. You're alienating your user base with this bike