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[@Treizez34]

This depends on who is buying: If you're shopping for a new bike (BRAND NEW) then the new 1k's are almost the same weight as a current gen 600 plus the power modes they have allow you to basically transform the bike into a 600 and gradually up the power as you gain more confidence in controlling it. If you're going used, then yeah there's probably still a place for them. Granted, I don't think anyone should be upgrading to a 1000 unless you've owned your 600 for at least a couple of years and have done a few track days as well as lots of canyon carving. This is the only way you'll truly master your machine. I do agree that 1k's are overkill for the street, but part of motorcycling is new experiences and those new experiences manifest themselves in so many different ways (including buying a new bike). I've owned my CBR600rr now for 3 years (bought it brand new as a left over 2013 model) and I love it. But I've always wanted to experience litre bike life. I've taken it to The Dragon, ridden all through the mountains of Carolina and Tennessee, have hit the track multiple times and of course ripped it on the open highways down here in South Florida. It's fantastic, but I'm just itching to experience something new. Will i do it??? Who knows.... Do I want to? Absolutely. Do I need to? Def not. Am I happy with what I have currently? Everyday!

[@HeroRR]

I'm pinning this comment. You said it PERFECTLY. 600's are great bikes, and I love mine to death as I mentioned several times. However buying a new bike it just doesn't make sense to go with the 600 over the 1000, thanks to power modes, and technology, etc. Plus the close price gap.

[@acealvarez1038]

Definitely a great comment. I own a 2007 CBR 600rr that I love to death as well. One thing I have noticed in the landscape of motorcycles nowadays, is that if anyone wants to buy a 600, they should really try and go for the late 2000 models (for pretty much every company except maybe Kawasaki). After 2010, almost every 600cc bike seems to have been nailed with emission standards that dumbed the power down slightly. The 600cc powerplant seems to have reached a plateau in terms of how much power can be extracted out of it, so in a way it makes me feel good knowing that I have the last of the great 600's. Obviously, companies are moving away from the 600 supersports in favor of streetfighters and 1000's, etc. and unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if the 600 gets abandoned within these next 10 years... So not sure if this matters to anyone, but if you plan on getting a 600 supersport, now would be the time to look for a used one (preferably late 2000's IMO). They can be had for a decent price, they represent the absolute peak of what a 600 is capable of, and they are still extremely fun! Although I would love a 1000cc some day, the problem is that it seems like they easily get outdated every 5 years or so...and this trend is going to continue until 1000cc is finally considered to have reached it's full potential (which will probably be a while). While in a way, the 600's you get nowadays will stay timeless since companies will no longer try to progress them any further.

[@LookAtMeLuis]

lol you beat me to it!!!

[@drewridesacrossamerica9943]

I rode the dragon a few times for the 1st time 2 days ago, it was pretty epic. If you are ever in the area again though I suggest the Devil's Whip and the Diamonback, also the Rattler over the Dragon. Higher speedlimits and tighter twisties

[@jimbobborg22]

You didn't mention insurance, but I will. For me, insurance costs more than doubled with a liter bike versus anything under. I'm paying Progressive $115 a month for my Monster 696 versus a quote for $350 a month for any of the big displacement bikes. That's over $2800 a year. And I have a completely clean driving record.

[@EdvaE39]

Why am I even watching this, i ride a 49cc 2 stroke

[@prozacoli]

Ed jajajajaja thinking the same, i ride a honda DIO 90cc

[@EdvaE39]

Oliver Camacho Well, mine is at least dirt bike, enough power in muds :D

[@idrayas2]

Ed lol same here am using 110cc 4stroke with top speed of 90km/hr.

[@joonas8848]

Ed What bike do you have I have derbi senda xrace 49cc stock

[@EdvaE39]

Kpo Joonas Exactly same bike, derbi senda xrace, with '06 engine, full stock too, brand new 49cc cylinder kit

[@Peakfreud]

Worse thing about bike culture is "Bike Snobs". Just ride what you like. Riding to impress other riders defeats the freedom that 2 wheels provide.

[@planet6393]

Melvin S well said my friend, well said

[@carbonr6r410]

Exactly. Wise words

[@jamessmith1845]

Big true

[@Alexebb2]

Melvin S my problem is that I would buy a 600 but for the same money the 1000s give so much more, the 600s are mostly left with more than a decade old technology on the other side the litre bikes are updated. Im a new rider (in europe so had a minimal course with a 650cc) and cant decide what to buy. I feel stupid if I buy a 600 for the same price as a 1000 with all the new gadgets, but at the same time Im not sure if a 1000cc bike with driver modes could be like a 600cc

[@melvinsprewel8287]

@@Alexebb2 Brother I've owned about 20 bikes in my lifetime and I will say 600's are fun to ride. I'm more relaxed on a six. I'm more relaxed on a 600 more so than a Harley because I don't have some weekend warrior, white collared dude pulling up next to me with 2k worth of Harley gear on looking me up and down like a drill instructor looking for a crease in my uniform.

[@PureSoundAddiction]

I ride a 636, and I went up against an old cbr 1000 and got destroyed. 600's are fighter jets, 1000's are space shuttles...

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

Yeah, why settle for 130 horsepower when for 2 extra grand you could get 200.

[@karsakasdasfa6474]

@@SoulTouchMusic93 it is only extra 2 grand if you buy new.

[@paulf6784]

He's right; you DON'T need a litre bike. You need a 1400 with head work, a turbo and nitrous.

[@Land-Shark]

THAT'S what I'm talking about! :)

[@mossyshotgun5902]

YEEEEEEEEEEESSS !!!

[@Jazzblade1977]

You forgot the extended swingarm...

[@venomous2die4]

Also forgot... This would be the beginner bike!

[@miguel300ish]

Paul F hayabusa mudafaka

[@jarrett1000rr]

Hero: "You don't need a 1000." Me: "I need a 1000"

[@kyletaylor6935]

lol exactly

[@georgie8132]

Rofl

[@mikeyg6631]

R1 is unforgiving lost too many brothers that didn't respect its potential

[@invaderzim1265]

I'll take heed of that. R.I.P to them. 💔

[@adaptiveagile]

Very true. The first generation beginning in 1998 were savage beasts. They didn’t have linear power, and would kick riders’s asses all the time. Highside specialists. It was a scary machine. But I’ve read that the late models are smooth and confidence inspiring.

[@c.jwilliamson8244]

Respect..to that

[@RandomVideos11100]

As 600s are being phased out, I wish more manufacturers would make 750s.

[@marioncobretti2407]

r7 and zx7r should come back!

[@Blue-moon12]

Marion Cobretti Amen I love my ZXR 750

[@marioncobretti2407]

+Blue Moon my dream bike is a 92 zx7r

[@Blue-moon12]

Marion Cobretti I have a 93 (L1)

[@anthonyspanjich2772]

Agreed - the GSXR 750 is spot on...... 600 a bit underwhelming and no wonder they are phasing out as their power drops due to emissions reg's Vs higher revs required to make the 600 work as good as they used to.

[@chrisredfield3240]

Who the hell says a 600 is slow ?

[@Kid574]

Chris Hart boys on 1000s that think they are fast just because they can out accelerate the 600 that just passed them in a corner :P

[@jbdoggy]

Chris, a 600 is plenty fast for me. I cant even rev the piss out of my 150cc 2 stroker cos theres just too many cars & traffic lights around! Rev it up to 7k revs when the lights turn green & some idiot driver jus has to switch into my lane & i end up hard braking to avoid ramming into that bugger. Im about to complete my course for my full license. So if all goes well, my test will be abt mid sept or so. My heart says s1000rr. But my head says daytona or striple 765. I think i will follow my head!

[@chrisredfield3240]

I wouldn't even be able to out accelerate a 600 on a 1000 still not why i would choose the 1000

[@HeroRR]

I don't think a 600 is slow, but trust me, even some people in the comments on this video are saying 600's are slow. I think it's just people who need to over compensate.

[@chrisredfield3240]

Bmw make 1000's. S1000 r rr + xr. They don't make a 600. I think they have the right idea.

[@mr.shannon6137]

Words of wisdom you should know. "Its best to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt." I love all bikes. If I won a big lottery I would own about 500 of em. Everything from 125's to litre bikes to scooters. All bikes and even scooters and bicycles have there place, becouse there are so many different types of people with different taste.

[@08is300]

mr. Shannon I completely understand, I have a cbr600rr -Yamaha zuma 49cc.. and a 29” mountain bike.. and I love all of them for different reasons..

[@markfox1545]

mr. Shannon - words of wisdom indeed from you then but you said 'have THERE place' rather than 'have THEIR place' so you're an idiot with the language skills of a 7 year old so have no credibility at all. 😉

[@MarkJones-re3po]

I have a vfr400 nc30 1991 And a cbr600rr 2016, they are both enjoyable to ride. I would like to add a 2 stroke to the line up at some point, nsr 250 mc21 Or a rgv250 twin stack

[@maxyorkshire5930]

same

[@MrDavidelliottjr]

600 is a perfect bikes actually.

[@refaelililov8953]

no matter what, if you got a 600, 300 or even a 125 !the important thing is that you happy with it people allways got somthing to say, if you have a 125 they gonna laught and if you have a 600 thay gonna pisoff cause you making alot off noise. so what what i was trying to say is that you need to be happy with what you got. :)

[@cedricksamaniego9146]

Simple and easy... if you're always looking for an approval(that one) riding must not be for you, there is always the scooter route that you can take?

[@antdx316]

I ride a bicycle on the streets as it's better than walking. I have an R6 though but going on the bicycle again made me realize how my balance sucks at low speeds because on the bike you can let go and the bike will stabilize itself for you even if your balance is way way off. It's a good idea to get back on a bicycle after riding for a while to make the motorcycle riding more stable.

[@cedricksamaniego9146]

Anthony Abelardo That would freak ME out but that would let me know that i need to improve on my skills as a rider

[@antdx316]

Use a bicycle every now and then for better stability. You can cheat a lot by letting the motorcycle do the work which isn't good.

[@cedricksamaniego9146]

Anthony Abelardo While i was saving up for my current and first bike🏍. I would use my bicycle to learn to understand some of the concept of riding a motorcycle, keeping balance was one of many

[@devanshkalia9072]

i have a 110 cc automatic scooter and I'm still watching this as if im gonna have to make this decision in a few days

[@emilmarian9964]

Same

[@cblancin7244]

my scooter's good for going around town, my 600 is fast enough therefore not useless.

[@cbr6864]

I was always way faster on my cbr600 than my 959 or 1000. Think it was comfort level on the 600. The 600 makes you a better rider as you can squeeze almost everything out of that 600.

[@mfairus3781]

In some countries, the engine displacement plays a major role for the retail price. For example, in Malaysia the price difference is quite significant. Not only that, there are licence classes which allows you to ride certain cc's according to these classes. For amateur races, there are lots of amateur races for 600cc's rather than the 1000s

[@kit7462]

All sportsbikes are "useless" anywhere other than a race track. You don't buy one because it's useful, you buy one because you want it.

[@antdx316]

The spirited riding on the street makes the R6 amazing.

[@rich7447]

Spirited riding on the streets is far more fun on a 350.

[@antdx316]

High RPM riding on the street with the R6 is the best shit especially with an open exhaust

[@EsaycheDGee]

I did it with an open exhaust on my 2016 before it was stolen. I bought a 2017 with stock exhaust. I didn't buy it to be loud, I bought it to have fun and street riding red lining 1-3rd is the best for me. But of course, always be safe.

[@rich7447]

The issue that I have with larger displacement sport bikes on the street is that they make everything easy. They make triple digit straight line speed easy, as well as triple digit cornering on sweeping corners easy, double digit cornering on just about anything else is easy. All of this gives riders a false sense of security. I grew up riding in the days before the GSXR where cornering clearances were limited and often power bands were brutal. Tires were narrow and very round and cornering speeds were limited. Modern sportbikes have none of these issues and allow semi skilled riders to mimic Rossi skills until the chassis starts to complain and this is when people die. The modern 600 sportbike is a highly tuned rocket with technology that makes it more managable. The problem is that the technology will only take you so far, but it masks enough issues that it impedes skills development. Anyone who has ridden a 500 2 stroke or a 1000 cc 4 cylinder with smoothbores knows that there is a very painful learning curve to riding one of those bikes at speed and this instills a respect for the machine. Once you remove learning points by introducing traction control, slipper clutches, launch control etc etc, you are removing obstacles that are there to make sure that you learn how to control the machine before taking it into areas where your control is compromised. I amateur raced and crashed for 7 seasons and never got to a point where I believed that I had complete control of the machine when pushing the machine beyond a certain point. The difference is that I knew that I was pushing the envelope and I was in a controlled situation where all the traffic was going the same way. New electronics makes riders believe that they are in control in situations that are beyond their skill level. I rode for 22 years before ending up in amateur racing and I was obviously not a phenom. I enjoyed racing and generally either crashed or finished upper mid-pack. I would guess that this puts me at average amateur race rider or quite a bit better than new sportbike rider. My advice is that if you want to build skills and learn about some of the potential bike, do it on the track. I learned from a Canadian Superbike Champion and I do not claim to have near the skills that my instructor has. However, I can get around a track pretty well and I haven't killed myself in the years 22 years of public riding (mostly off road) and 8 years of competetive riding (amateur SS and SB....retired a while ago). There are guys and women that had 5 years riding experience that were faster than me and people with 10 years race experience that were slower than me, but none of them let their skills hang out on the road. The road is where mistakes get you killed and everyone makes mistakes.

[@zockerpille]

There is no overkill on our german Autobahn!

[@brayvdb2191]

Nanderlizer Nanderlizer compared to the USA or Russia, Germany is a tiny country lol

[@jorretb2201]

JAY BEE oh yea. Let us just compare a normal sized coutry with the biggest two.

[@notallgarbage]

jorret b USA is not in the top 2 LOL

[@Kugelschreiber97]

goodfella21f i rather ride in a tiny country where i can go as fast as i want 90% of the time, then riding in a big one with speed Limits and cops almost evrywhere lul

[@LARGO125]

JAY BEE compared to Canada. USA is a small country.

[@i_read_bad_reviews]

Damnit every time I convince myself I don’t need a 1000 and then I run across a video like this

[@evongreiff1]

I bought my 2019 CBR600rr brand new cash from the dealer even though I had full intention to get the CBR1000rr instead. Reason being I’m a sucker for symmetry and loved the look of the undertail exhaust; something they did away from the 1000’s years ago. I found out the 600 had more than enough power for the type of riding I do and with all the customization I’ve done to the bike in the two years I’ve had it, I have my bike looking gorgeous!

[@moonlitphantasm]

I don’t give a damn what anyone says (including HeroRR). No matter what you say or do. At the end of the day people are going to buy what they want. And it doesn’t have to make sense to anyone.

[@600rrcbr7]

That’s what I’m saying man. If you love what you ride why does it matter what others think or say.

[@zanthonyrobin5027]

30 years ago a 600 today would out perform the old 1000

[@jasonbarron6164]

Of course not even close an old interceptor 1000 would be dominated in speed and handling by an r6 of today

[@ianmason2003]

What is your point?

[@Szlejer]

Started on a 600, it was an excellent choice (CBF600SA), no regrets whatsoever....Now I settled for the golden middle ground, the VFR 800 VTEC. :)

[@ducke295]

Does VTEC kick in on a motorcycle?

[@Drockvr4]

Same here! Since 1999 I've had Yamaha 600's. 4 years ago I got an 02 vfr800 and love it. Love the sound and it's comfortable. Yeah dude, with this gen v-tec kicks in at 7k. I like it but I don't.

[@lettoreentusiasta9374]

Same for me. Sold my lovely ZZR 600 for a pre-Vtec VFR 800. Both are great all-rounder, but the V4 is a great engine.

[@perarnoldi5431]

ohh yes it does :-)

[@EMoneySPD]

Thumbed up for the Reign In Blood pic

[@badalundhabad2083]

This video helped a lot. Ive gotten one season under my belt with my Ninja 300 and am debating on upgrading. I think the 600 is enough. But the better build quality and C-mode is something i need to look into. Thanks for the vid!

[@yodatcht1321]

Started on a 17 Ninja 650 and I'm very happy with my choice. Plenty of power.

[@toluwole]

I've owned Ninja 500r, Ninja zx12r, Honda 929rr, Hysung 650, Ninja zx7r sports-bikes, in that order. I rode the 500 for almost a decade; it taught me how to really ride. Recently I've test ridden Aprilia Tuono 660 and RSV4 Factory, and Suzuki GSXR-600. If I had to pick one for most of the type of riding I do, and where I do it, I'd choose the GSXR-600; absolutely lovely and under-appreciated motorcycle.

[@crazycarl1688]

Just buy a 750, perfect mix of both!

[@Onlyone10184]

carl collins gsxr equals gay

[@Onlyone10184]

Kae Pugna 2010 r6

[@Blue-moon12]

carl collins Yes correct. Love my ZXR 750

[@Gunthazv2]

Kwaki z750r 💨💨💨

[@nickblaser992]

robert russell his gay gsxr 750 will kick your r6 ass

[@fromthe4gotten]

I have been writing all types of bikes from cruisers to sport bikes. I've rode an r1 Honda CBR600 Honda CBR1000RR, a Suzuki C50T, a Vulcan 900 classic and a 2010 Harley night rod and out of all those bikes I love the 600 the most. 1,000 for me is just a little bit too much. It is definitely more than I need. I'm currently on an '06 CBR1000RR that I'm restoring and as soon as it's fully built I'm going to sell it to drop back down to a 600.

[@alexgontijo]

I agree with most of it. My 600 can ride with any bike out there and it is pretty comfortable and not so gas hungry as one 1000. I'm not racing anyone, so I'm very satisfied with it. I don't even think about getting a 1000 soon... Mine isn't the 600RR, its the CBR 600F, a perfect balance of sport and comfort.

[@Smaug1]

You're spot-on, but you're only considering 600 and 1000cc sportbikes. There are SO many better bikes for the street. I've had about 13 bikes. Best ones I've had for the street were my '00 SV650 and my '94 Ninja 250. The SV was quicker than my buddy's GSX-R 750 anywhere except the expressway. (where he quite easily left me for dead) I had an FJR. Fast as hell, but it wasn't really happy going under 70 mph. The little Ninja? It was fun everywhere. Rev to 14k in 1st through 5th gear. Settle in around 11k at 65 mph. I felt like a MotoGP champ and hardly ever sped. AWESOME on the tight twisty roads too. These days? I'm riding a CBR500. All the power you need for the street. Rev it up and shift a few times without speeding, but a bit more power for the expressway, compared to the 250. 70 mpg, too...

[@xJae14x]

Same, I'm on a CBR500R and it's a good all around city and highway bike. Doesn't do anything spectacularly well, but doesn't do anything poorly either. Fun bike.

[@Minecraftowns69]

I currently own a 2013 250 and it’s fine so far

[@karimamin2]

The 1000 is usually 3-4 grand more. That's a lot for just extra speed you can't use 90% of the time

[@UngovernableU]

Actually cant tho like the things are limited to 299 kmh i think and over 200 in a bike is insane imo (unless you on a track)

[@ShellShock794]

@The Underground Man No one can unless you're on a track or breaking a dozen laws

[@hardeepsekhon7903]

I thought he was going to say, “it’s all relative though, a 600 sportbike is slower than a fighter jet” Loved my 600 (regret selling it), literally felt like you were sitting on a controlled rocket.

[@MrFoxfire510]

I sold my 2016 zx6r 2 years ago and bought a 2017 yamaha fj09 and kept that for a year then sold that and found a used 2016 zx6r same color as before and bought it again lol. Keeping it until death do us part this time. All purchases were used.

[@masogakekana1606]

Rode a new GSXR 750 and that too is underwhelming, go for a "low end" 1000 with relevant tech near the 600 premium range price wise. 1000s are more usable, not about speed or near death experience but the fact that you need to search for it in the 600 because of 'no torque' is not worth it. The problem is that you need to stop branding 1000s as speed machines in the hands of a responsible rider, then you ask what's the point when you aren't even capable of using that 600 you defend. A 250 will put you in the grave just as quickly as a 1000 when you're an idiot!!

[@kevinghifari2330]

Masoga Kekana true that

[@ronaldk.wileyjr.5476]

Exactly.

[@mastafaforga]

My biggest factor for a 600 is shifting. Got a -1/+8 sprocket kit. I love pinning the throttle and running through all the gears. A literbike would be doing 90 in first gear, or looped with lower gears.

[@erbe3184]

I ride on GSXR 600 K7 2 years and I'm very happy, on 1000ccm tyres cost much and insurance, more fuel ;) I'm not a racer but 600ccm its enough :)

[@MichaelE123]

I know this video is old HeroRR. But I have the 2017 Kawasaki Z900 and that's 948cc. My first bike was a 2008 ZX6R and my second was a 2005 636. My Z900 has infinitely more torque and 126hp. I can outpace R6s and I have on the highway before with a buddy. But I just commute and enjoy going for cruises and I don't really lean into turns majorly, I've started to build more into the Sport-Tourer/ADV rider style. I'm having my friend who wants a bike start on a Kawasaki 300. I like your videos and they're informative for people who need to know things about sportbikes etc.. Keep up the good work. One of my older buddies has a Kawasaki 650. I personally love how the new ones look with the redesign. But to the point, I think more torquey bikes are the best for street use and highway use. My next bike will be an ADV bike I have no doubt in my mind of that. And if it's not it will be something I can do even longer rides than my Z900 can do now.

[@rougalb3377]

Bought my first bike ninja 250r in August 2008, 4 month after that bought the 09 Ninja zx10r. I still have BOTH BTW. 250r to go to work , and the zx10r for long distance/need-to-hurry job mostly for fun. ON THE ROAD, the 250 is more comfortable and relaxed ride but lacks the power to accelerate when I need to, the zx10r is quite tiresome to ride on busy road/ in town where there's a bunch of traffic lights, because it's the sitting position non to mention a lot heavier, and generate a lot of heat when driving slower but once it gets in the open road/highway, It's way more comfortable and fun to ride. A 600 has a good balance between the two. But if the only reason u wanna get a bike is for fun, get a liter bike. Period

[@johncarlson8029]

Can't buy new anymore but the best bike i ever owned was a 1996 VFR750FT i traded in a Honda Hawk GT and it was the best move i ever made. Had to sell for livingroom furniture and a bathroom remodel. That version is 24 years old now. Dammit. I loved the gear drive for the cams and no electronics. Just a great carbureted bike. If you have a chance to ride one please do it and maybe if you're a gearhead you will enjoy for a long time.

[@markfox1545]

I'd say there's no need for a litre bike; heavier on fuel and insurance and way more performance than anyone can use. Get a 600 and it's lighter on fuel and insurance and there's still more performance than you need.

[@pauloshea3741]

600's are slightly heavier on fuel, go look, my 1994 rf900 gets up tp 50mpg (UK gallon) and is classed as a tourer, so really cheap insurance too. if you want the thrill of high revs lots of gearchanges (Like a 2 stroke) get a 600. if you want power crusing at low revs and economy, and mindbending performance, the 1000 is the way forward.

[@emorypoff7129]

Paul Oshea I had an RF900. The handling wasn’t the best, but I loved the motor. It was perfect. All the power in the world, top end, but still could roll on without too much down shifting. It was my first bike and was very forgiving. My friend had an early 2000s GSX 750. In all but the tightest conditions, the smooth tractable power of the 900, beat the 750. I could go into a turn slow, open up the power after the apex, and it launched me ahead. Never tried a liter bike. I do wonder whether or not the power is as smooth as the 900. It has been 17 years, but I still smile thinking about that motor.

[@MrSamdabeast]

BUT TORQUE

[@Skyerzen]

I got the FZ-09, which is 847cc. I go riding with a bunch of guys in liter bikes. The only time the power difference shows, is on straights, they tend to slowly pull away from me for a little bit when we get high in the RPMs. BUT since they can't be going balls to the wall forever, I quickly catch up to them. I find the power of my bike to be perfectly adequate.

[@DreammzShow]

The reason I want a 1000 over my current r6 is because of the lower torque, less shifting, and the fact that they do highway speeds much more comfortably.

[@kristiangurholt59]

You don't need a 1000 for good torque. Why would you even buy a four cylinder bike for the purpose of torque? that's ridiculous, just get an FZ 07 or a Duke 690. Enough torque to put you on your back, half the price of a 1000, half the fuel consumption, half the insurance costs.

[@zackphelps3052]

Kristian G True, I always surprise my friends with 600s with the Fzs torque.

[@anonymousanonymous9991]

Or you could get a mt10 with 997cc and really trick them if they dont know much about it

[@carbonr6r410]

Kristian G true. Although, a naked bike doesn’t provide the aerodynamics a super sport does. Cruising on the freeway is much easier and more nejoyablr on a cbr1000rr than an fz07 or Ktm duke

[@ianmason2003]

Gavin MacIntosh actually they both suck for that. If you want to decide your bike choices on highway then sport touring, touring and adventure bikes should be your choice. I would never trade my super duke R for a sportbike even on the highway. But then again if I was doing large highway miles neither would be my choice.

[@TurianX]

I have a FZ1. I just bought a 600rr because I have always wanted one. And it looks like 2020 is that last model in America that will still have the throttle cable instead of drive by wire. I couldn't really wait anymore. Even coming from a 1000, the 600 is a lot. It takes off quicker, the throttle is snappier, and the clutch was a little tricky until I adjusted it correctly. I don't really know how fast it is yet because it's still breaking in.

[@TRE_-HEINZ]

It depends on what you want! Not what people say, i have a 600cc and i love it . dont see no need for a 1000cc Inless your a track person. or inless your gonna push that 1000cc like it should be. but i dont see anyone on the streets riding a 1000cc the way they should be lol...that takes skillz just saying

[@jordanjoestar8839]

Started on a 600 CBR f4 for $1500 -outruns my friends VMax 1200 -corners godly -power is linear -low rpm is gentle and as RPM climbs the power is very proportional -easy on gas -in first gear and ridden hard, moves way faster than even most 500hp vehicles. -timeless looks (just did an A-10 warthog theme, everyone stares) I see no need for a 1000, after learning on my pals VMax, its nice having the low end torque, but at the same time... Gears exist. I'll never get sick of ringing it out without actually being past my personal limit. I would enjoy the added straight line power but I find the most happiness in the corners.

[@ridingwithjon3048]

Real man ride 300cc! Jk. Ride what you want. Enjoy the road.

[@nemshaddd]

exactly

[@rolandtiiroja]

I've been riding a 600cc sport touring bikes (gsf600, cb600f) for 5 years (around 50-60k km) and my plan is to go smaller. Less weight, less rotating mass, less power, more fun!

[@MichaelMeyerMotocyclist]

600's are not useless. They are faster in tight twisty conditions and much more nimble. If you really ride hard in a tight canyon. you will see and feel the difference. in a tight canyon a 1000 is too much, A handfull. on many of the Canyons around southern california a Ninja 250, KTM390, the R3 you can ride faster then a 600 & 1000

[@drewridesacrossamerica9943]

I live near some of the twisties roads in the world in western north carolina and started with a 650 and now ride a 250. it feels much better out here in the tights

[@MichaelMeyerMotocyclist]

Yeah, when the Ninja 250 first came out in the early 1980. I was racing a yamaha RD400 and a Suzuki GS750B with Yoshimura 998 pistons and cams in 24 hour endurance racing it made 120HP (72 stock) todays 600 make that power stock). My friends and I baught the Ninja 250 to screw around on Angeles crest highway and going down hill would pick on every big bike we could find and beat them by just never slowing down on the corners. Angeles Crest was engineered for 65 and had these big long sweepers it should have been better for bigger bikes but that Ninja 250 would rev to 14,000 and was so light like a bicycle. You can brake sooo much deeper or just not brake at all. Back then there was no track days and the club races were only on the third sunday of every month. So, we discovered that riding a little bike extremely hard was a good practice and help all of use go much faster on the track. and if a cops see it is only a 250 and dont realy notice how fast your going ( seemed that way). by he way good video I like your narrations. and I like looking at all the country you are riding through. keep it up I have never lived on the east coast. I like what I see

[@MJT-DA]

Michael Meyer What about Honda's new fireblade it's so light that it's weight is close to the cbr600rr and journalists said that it handled like a 600cc. Do you need anymore proof? The old 1000cc yeah they are fat lol but the new ones give them a second chance. However if it was up to me I would bring back the 750cc bikes.

[@atom608]

most 600s weigh around the same as a new litre bike, i have a 2007 gsxr 600 and a 99 r1 and that r1 is like 205kg wet but it feels lighter around corners than my gsxr does and they both run the same tyres

[@drewridesacrossamerica9943]

in the straights maybe, but riding roads like the devils whip and the diamondback in north carolina...cc's don't matter as much when you can't go faster than 60-70. some people get bored riding straight roads fast

[@SmokinZen]

I bought me liter bike after riding cruisers and never looked back. I had to learn how to ride all over again. My buddy with his 600 was so jealous he later bought a liter bike too. But guess what it took him a while to get used to it. Even longer than me, he was used to hitting the higher revs for power and now felt like he had too much and had to learn to control the power a lot more. He’s good now but I just found it interesting he’s a good rider too.

GSXR 750 is the perfect bike.

Somya Mani If you can afford it, good for you, even though too much bike for real life riding.

[@dny9394]

@ : K4 K5 or XK5 the finest they ever made.

[@moist.teabag]

i'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow

[@moist.teabag]

vfr 400 most fun bike i'v had

[@chrisredfield3240]

How do you ride a slow bike fast?

[@Kid574]

Chris Hart learning how to take corners. I've seen 250cc beating the hell out of 600cc on track because the fast bike had a slow rider. They only managed the get in front on the straights for obvious reasons.

[@jbdoggy]

Kid574, youre spot on there. i saw a youtube clip where a 250 made up so much ground & nearly overtook a 400 in the corners, only to be left behind again & again on the straights.

[@chrisredfield3240]

The 250 wasn't beating the 600. The rider on the 250 was better than the rider on the 600. Even riding a 125 on the limit will loose your licence in minutes. On a track day everything goes out the window fully focused track bike suited to your skills.

[@jokerchris1]

I was going from a KLR 650 to a more sporty bike but I prefer Standard bike because of the upright riding position. So I eventually went with the XSR900 and told my friends that it was my starter sport bike, which it very much isn’t. I have since found out that it’s incredible power band make it feel funner than a friend 1000cc Apreila! I’m very happy!

[@bluefox12factsbeforefeelin58]

600s are making a comeback thanks to Kawasaki now pricing a brand new 636 for under 10grand. I had to get one 💯

[@ParadiseBiker]

So true

[@MegaTechpc]

They definitely nailed the pricing but I just wish they hadn't destroyed the styling. My 2013 zx6r looks so much better, though I'm probably biased.

[@bluefox12factsbeforefeelin58]

MegaTechpc I luv the look from 2013-now. My 2018 zx6 looks way better in person

[@rockstarboxer]

👍🏽🏍. I have a 2004 GSXR600 and it’s a blast . 600 have there purpose!! Just the right enough power to go fast but not too torquey where the front end comes up . But I am looking to upgrade though , ready for more top end

[@gunnerneikoify]

I do get why younger guys go with 600cc bikes, the insurance on a liter bike for a young guy is insane compared to the insurance rate on a 600!!! If all you've ever ridden is a 600 then you don't know the difference and it'll seem plenty fast to you, which it is compared to most all cars on the road, 150-155mph isn't anything to sneeze at! I've had GSXR 750's all my life and they always seemed plenty fast to me till the day my friend and I swapped bikes for 20-30 miles. Holy shit what a difference!!! I was used to my 2005 gixxer 750 and he had a 07 gixxer 1000. Needless to say, after that my 750 was on craigslist the next weekend and within a month I was on a Gixxer 1000!! The power difference was incredible and totally addicting!! I'll never go back to a 750 let alone a 600 ever again!! Luckily I fall into the category (age wise) where my insurance isn't terrible for a liter bike anymore. I guess if all you're EVER going to do is ride ONLY on city streets and roadways, a 600 will probably suit you just fine. But if you ever head out to open roads and do a lot of riding there, do yourself a favor and get yourself a liter bike if you can afford it. You won't be disappointed!!! And to all those who'll argue, "why have all that extra power for, it's pointless and useless", all I can say is why do you even have your 600"s then? They have more than enough power to beak any speed limit 2 x over and out accelerate just about any CAR on the road, so even they are pointless!!!! The reason is the power man the POWER and breakneck acceleration man!!!! Nothing better than just having to roll on the throttle and be able to bring the front end up in the 1st three gears!! Something a 600 can only possibly do in 1st and doubtfully 2nd only, not without clutching it anyway. It's a speed, brutal acceleration, shear power and adrenaline thing you're only EVER going to experience on a liter bike!!!!! It really does become an addiction!!!!!

[@r563]

And then someone of average talent on a 400 cc bike. passes you while exiting a fast corner like the carousel at infineon and even with all that extra power there is nothing you can do about it but watch because they began their roll on way before you did.I really miss my FZR 400 T2K slayer of big bikes and big egos .

[@clipdev]

rcmantjk convinced :-)

[@Therealclayton]

Sold. Selling my r6 for a r1

[@gunnerneikoify]

r563 Not in a MILLION years!!!! Only way, and I mean ONLY way that would ever happen is if the knucklehead on the liter bike had ABSOLUTELY zero experience on a track!!!! Do some research on lap times between the 400's, 600's and liter bikes ALL on the SAME tracks running in the same classes. The times progressively get less and less as you go up to the bigger and bigger bikes!!!

[@r563]

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[@MichaelWilliams-cc9zl]

I like being involved with the process as well HeroRR!

[@chicosuave2966]

where I live, a 600 is all you need. there's no place to run out a 1000, to many curves & gravel in the road.

[@studinets]

Been riding 1000cc+ bikes most of my riding career of 15 years and 30+ bikes. When I first started riding I use to be an impatient rider and wanted all the power I can get RIGHT NOW, so I can make up the distance put on me by a 600cc rider in the last few corners. As I learned to ride better over the years I started focusing more on slow bikes that along with my improved skills were now making 1000cc bikes look like they belonged in group C. I use to rip apart new 600cc and 1000cc bikes in old vtwins with less power than either, worse suspension and brakes. These days I'm a slow rider, I'm older, more patient and have so much more to lose if I get even a minor injury. In spite of that I own two bikes right now, a 2004 GSXR600 and a 2006 FZ1. The 600cc is much more fun to ride because it's so rev happy it makes me work that much harder to go the same speeds as the FZ1. The exhaust note also makes things more fun, I get to hear so many different tones on a 600 because it revs a lot more and works harder for the same power output.

[@shanec.6930]

The ninja 300 is more than enough for me, just commuting to and from work and lots of fun. If I upgrade, I would like the fz 07 or MT 09!

[@ivanhorvat4817]

I have MT 07 It's not too fast but accelerates really good. My first bike so I can't say much about it. I had no errors with it. 1500miles on it in 3 months.

[@muireannnisidach7890]

Was living in Mesa, As and needed something economical but with good power and nimble/flickable. Was hanging out at Ride now and overheard a wannabe jet pilot trading in a 2013 Yamaha FZ6R after riding it a month. Score! I get egos on wheel giving me ride at lights sometimes but at my age (60) I'm almost flattered to be noticed. Anyway, that particular 600 is one of the few inline 4s and while no where near as well appointed with premium features and parts as a little bike is perfect for an experienced rider. Full disclosure: fork springs were upgraded to get rid of mushiness, steel braided lines improved braking a lot, upgraded tires to a softer compound because the way I'm riding it, as a sport commuter, it gives me more grip on the road digging idiots in cages, not leaning into curvesvand that also mean they last a good deal longer. That my 2 cent, buy a low miles used 600, avoid any high dollar custom mods, have a good time kids.

[@ratchieleyvas720]

6's are great bikes. Not useless, just pricey. I picked up a 847cc FZ09 and lovin it!! First street bike too. Pulls everywhere. Like a 500cc 2stroke on steroids for the street.

[@dmh20002]

I think the fz/mt 09 is the best buy out there

[@KickinItWithKrash]

The 600 class will always hold a special place in my heart even tho I upgraded to a 1000

[@jordanwalsh8171]

Ask a biker that races, they will tell you superbikes (1000cc) are really tough to ride

[@dny9394]

McPint says the same, he prefers the 600, he's on YT somewhere. IoM TT.

[@weejim48]

Got rid of my GSXR1000 not long ago ( due to health problems). The thou is a very usable engine. You can just bumble around town @ 30mph and without dropping a cog crank it up. The 600’s are a bit rev hungry. Both are great but personally give me a thou any day, on or off the track. Good vid. 👍

[@directorgtr]

I sat on both. I preferred the feel of the 1000 because I'm 200 lbs and 6'1". I fit better on it.

[@tbillyjoeroth]

Seems this guy never heard of the term "ergonomics".

[@jasonl5589]

I went to a honda bike shop yesterday and i realized how refined 1000s are. Throttle grips on 1000s had zero plays while 600s had quite a bit of play. Even the fairings were harder. Kawasaki zx10r's actually had some plays on throttle bars. Honda's FTW

[@NoLimitPeezy]

Dope videos bro upload everyday if u can love these videos

[@HeroRR]

I would love to do that, believe me. But I have been working so much at my job that I just don't get the time I need to make videos as often as I'd like. The best I can promise at this point in time is once a week (usually more, but once is all I can promise). Hopefully in the future i'll get a different job that allows me to have a little bit more free time. Thanks for the nice comment!

[@Blue-moon12]

Elite Throttle I imagine it being difficult to upload daily if this is not your full time job....but agreed his videos are good enough for daily uploads!

[@engiidville]

"this is my bike...there areany out there but this one is mine" 😂😂

[@crisray6789]

I'm not sure why people feel like they need to be able to wring out every bit from their bike on the street, you shouldn't be trying to max out your bike on the street or you'll end up being a statistic.

[@HeroRR]

+crisray6789 I 100% agree

[@crisray6789]

That being said though I love my 1000, the effortless power everywhere, being in whatever gear I want, and the deep exhaust note are great. Just have to keep the ego in check.

[@Calnonick]

thats honestly the biggest hole in the argument against liter bikes. no i dont need the power, i will never catch myself running 250 mph down a road ever, track or otherwise, just because i dont redline the bike in 6th gear doesnt mean i shouldnt be riding it on the streets. Rider aids make the bike safer, as rr said in his video, better suspension, better brakes, MORE TORQUEEEEEEEEEE. and honestly arguably if you put a liter bike on a restricted mode it's relatively the same power as a 600 but 100x safer because of the additions listed above. traction control alone is MASSIVE assuming you even actually wring your bike out in some twisties

[@MichaelMeyerMotocyclist]

Because it is so much fun! Thats why you go out and buy a cheap 250 cash to play with and learn how to ride fast on it and save the 1000 for track days or just hanging around with your buddies showing off your jewelry. And if you want a ride to go 600 miles or more. you cant beat a 1000. They will roll all day long at 80MPH and be smooth as glass relaxing. A 250 wont go much faster then 98MPH (CBR250@ 10,000RPM is 95MPH) so you cant get a reckless driving and get thrown into jail and loose our license. It is really fun to hold a bike wide open throttle going though corners. try it it is addictive really addictive. 250 just suck at the 500 mile per day rides unless all 500 miles are in twisty canyons then they are easier to ride longer.

[@crisray6789]

I like the luxury of having seemingly unlimited power on tap.

[@Danny-bd5kf]

My first bike was a 1,000. I bought the 1000 because I can turn the power down to 70%. I ran at 70% there until I was comfortable enough to run at full power. This power has saved my ass a few times. When somebody changes Lanes into you you need to throttle out out to get out of the way. The response with this 1000 is immediate. I love it 10k miles later

[@FELiPES101]

600 useless? If anything you could buy a modern 600 and never buy another bike again.

[@Conqueefstador]

Here are my thoughts for any people interested in riding. 600cc and up are bikes that are very fast, dumb acceleration. If you are on the highway frequently, or just want to go stupid fast, get one. If you do more, city commuting, less than 50mph, a slower bike will be more fun and cheaper, such as the fz07

[@BIKEGEARMOTOVLOG]

Why am I watching this! I sold my 2013 ZX6R for a 2013 ZX10R, best decision I made, first gear 110km. If you do a lot of highway riding then you do need a 1000cc, so you don't have that exhaust screaming in your ear all the time 1000 is way more relaxed.

[@MichaelMeyerMotocyclist]

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[@ukcitizen1158]

BIKE GEAR MOTOVLOG I'm with you on that one.

[@francisngannouhaircut2616]

Its easy to change the gearing for a 600

[@streetrider2487]

even a change of gearing , the engine will still be screaming and busting your eardrums.

[@Iffy50]

Did you have a stock exhaust on your ZX6R? My F3 wasn't loud until I hit the powerband...

[@MasterGuil]

I have a 2018 R3 and it is a fantastic city bike and I would not change it for anything else. The only downside is if I go on freeway, you see a little lack of power there but 95% of my travel is on 90km/h street or less.

[@Matt-mh5ud]

It's not the horsepower that turns me off on the 600cc engines (plenty honestly), it's that gutless low end and mid range torque power band. That sized engine, twins are the way to go. 750cc is the smallest displacement I'll consider for a four cylinder.

[@MADLITS1K]

Matt that's honestly what makes it so fun.. you have to ring it out and THAT is where the fun lies .. the build up.. many people end up getting 1000 and wanting to be back on a 600

[@Matt-mh5ud]

I need dual purpose, meaning enjoyable to commute with it but also weekend twisties capable. Taching an engine out is exhilarating, but it's absolutely ridiculous having to really rev something all the time when accelerating light to light; commuting with one of these engines is their absolute downfall. That displacement with fours cylinders requires you to rev it and that's the issue, constant high RPM and aggressive throttle input is almost a must. I'm saying this the best way I can: those that really love the 600cc 4 cylinders either haven't had much experience with other bike types or haven't ridden very long. They are highly unbalanced with tons of top-end horsepower but neutered throughout the whole normal riding RPM band. With the torquey big sport twin (like Ducati) and tri cylinder (like Triumph) engines, take one up in the revs when you want to and it's just as much of a blast. Ride them around town and the torque they put out does so not even breaking a sweat. Bonuses are better fuel economy, rarely needing to downshift, and not having your engine sound like it's pissed and/or trying too hard to get out of its own way. I agree about the 1000 four bangers being too much, they have a place but it's at the track/strip as much as the 600 is better suited on something like a road course/track. If you do one of those activities often, you likely have the best engine choice then. Neither are the best option to commute and that's how the majority of ride time is spent. I'm a muscle car kind of guy, so I know where my bias lies with wanting balance with horsepower AND low-end torque from my ride.

[@PbPomper]

That's why triple are so great. They have the torque/bottom-end from twins and the smoothness and power delivery of a four cilinder.

[@MADLITS1K]

I mean 600s with a intake and slip on and tune tend to straighten out that low end torque problem.. at least with my bike it did.. 09 zx6r.. I know usually the R6 and cbrs are boring down low until you're in the power band .. from my experience with my bike it's fine

[@T0BBi94]

I feel as my sv650 is plenty enough. "Lots" of torque down low and really nimble/light. It still has me wanting more...

[@Biden2024_]

After owning a liter bike in Los angles and “downgrading” back to a 600cc I can tell you a list of negatives 1) they are way more likely to get stolen (like mines did) 2) that tiny “weight difference” means a lot especially if you live in a Big city like me and having to lane split through heavy traffic is annoying weight wise with that 190 tire on the back compared to the 180 feels less nimble . 3)a lot more expensive insurance/ gas wise 4) rev range is lower , so you have a beautiful machine that can’t scream as loud as the 600cc 5) I am 6’3 and rode a 2013 cbr 1000, if you’re on the taller side then liter bike will feel uncomfortable since they are lower . 6) everyone brags about the power but honestly all that power will never even used . I rarely got to use my bikes potential power again I live in a heavily packed city 7) looks wise especially the current fire blades they looked hideous compared to my 2008 cbr 600rr 8) LASTLY everyone brags about the power yet realistically the average “race” especially in a big city like la only last stoplight to stoplight. On a short end race the 600 will always win because you can whip the throttle heavier with out fear of the bike flipping from your hands .

[@rayseaman6204]

I'm sorry, but I disagree. 1000 cc Bikes Rule!

[@niro56]

They make a lot of pure noobs a statistic too

[@gunnerneikoify]

Ray Seaman I 500% AGREE!!!!

[@gunnerneikoify]

Mr. Krios Only if they were idiots to start with!!!! I know girls who've STARTED out on liter bikes with no problem at all!!!

[@niro56]

Are you kidding me?? NO one should start on a liter bike, especially not some future hen with 7 inch biceps. The biggest names in racing cut their teeth on a quarter liter first, or even less!! Talk about under-utilization reaching a 100% lol

[@geardropjohn2716]

My fiancé started on my busa........ Rides it like a champ too. HOWEVER, she is getting my 750 because its gonna be hard to learn the basics on that heavy a bike.

[@bhosaleprasenjeet2618]

when you buy bike/car and dont turn around to see the beauty you bought wrong thing.

[@Death666wish]

Hopefully I can keep myself away from 1000's, I already go too fast on my 650, I'd like a new CBR600RR for the better quality, though I worry I'd be spoiled by the light weight as my 650 weighs as much as a 1000 does. With my heavy right hand I do jail time speeds on my 650. I do love that when I overtake on the highway I don't need to downshift, I'm starting to feel a 600's power curve is more different than a 650 than I thought, even though it has 30+ more hp!

[@dlb83082]

There is a certain power level that you will never learn to be a better rider because you have to dial back the power - Get a 300/400cc bike and learn how to ride all out on it - then get a 600/750/1000 and you will be able to ride it like a pro and enjoy the extra horsepower!

[@JLchevz]

600s are more fun in the twisties Ive heard

[@jcarlson2727]

I ride a cbr1000rr on the track and it turns like a fat kid's head when a cookie hits the floor... just as nimble as the gsx-r 750 it replaced. Also have an Aprilia Tuono V4 - both the cbr and gsx-r put that bike to shame (handling wise).

[@curvecrazy]

That’s not a ringing review of the Tuono! LOL

[@rich7447]

When it comes to cornering speed it is hard to beat a 250 2 stroke. If you don't believe me try to follow one at a track day. Don't just blast past them on the straights, follow them through the corners.

[@rich7447]

BTW: All the guys on 600s and 1000s will run off the track if you do try to follow the 125s or 250s. I've made this mistake (mistook a 250 for a 600). You cannot match corner speed with a sub 300 2 stroke. These are the bikes where you gain your skills.

[@mRoMuS]

i currently own an 06 CBR 600RR love the damn thing, this would be my second 600 from GSXR. IMO id say a 600 is perfect for everyday riding keeps you on your toes and its bit more exciting in some cases. like you said you have to down shift, rev it up more, but all that can be a + when you live in los angeles CA and with crazy "insane" traffic an drivers. often times you wouldn't even have the space to open up a 1K bike. although i have been looking to upgrade to 1K.

[@stlchucko]

Who needs 1000cc, or even 600cc? My Grom gets more smile per dollar than anything on 2 wheels.... Full throttle and wheelies everywhere. The only downside is EVERYONE asking me questions about it; at the gas station, at stop lights, stores/restaurants, etc. If I'm not moving, people are striking up conversations. It's not really a bad thing, but it can be annoying if I'm trying to get my ride on.

[@jamesavery6671]

XD good luck on the highway

[@ejb2184]

StL ChuckO I got a ruck love it

[@rolandhunt7542]

Wealthy Pepsi you dont even have a motorcycle, bitch.

[@tightenyochain856grom6]

Nanderlizer Nanderlizer ive ridden 600 and 1000 cc i find grom the most fun around town a0nd in city dont judge till you try one

[@tightenyochain856grom6]

Exactly i have more fun for 3800$ gromthen peooke with 30000 dollar harleys lmfao

[@lettoreentusiasta9374]

I have had an old Kawasaki ZZR 600 until two months ago. It costed me less than a set of BMW panniers, but it was able to do EVERYTHING, urban commuting, track days, long travels. Now i have a pre-Vtec VFR 800, lovely bike for similar use. But 600 are NOT useless. They have friendly engines, very good for your tires and for beginners, but they are still able to get you nicked in second gear and to take off in sixth. So they are still a good choice if you buy them new, and they are the real deal if you buy them used.

[@The02wooley]

Triump 676r Daytona best bike

[@MichaelMeyerMotocyclist]

That bike (Triumph 675R) has my Vote as the sexiest best looking sport bike of all time just slightly better looking then the 917 duccati.

[@adamutuber]

Bang on. They don't make a Daytona 1000 so the 675 has its own market. But Triumph have now stopped making them :(

[@MichaelMeyerMotocyclist]

Much of this follows racing rules and market trends and government restrictions. Manufacturers want to sell motorcycles and racing has been one of the best sales tools so they developed bikes they can race to promote sales. President Ronald Reagan under pressure from Harley Davidson put a tariff tax on Motorcycles imported into America larger then 700cc, So the Honda Night hawk 700 was born Kawasaki KZ650, Yamaha Seca 650. Suzuki had a 650 too back then. Insurance carriers used 700cc as a line for price adjustment. Racing rules: FIM and AMA both have allowed engines with fewer then 4 cylinders to compete with slightly larger displacement less min. weight restrictions. Superbike racing motorcycles must have four-stroke engines of between 850 cc and 1200 cc for twins, and between 750 cc and 1000 cc for four cylinder machines. The restriction to production models distinguishes Superbike

[@ChokolateSushi23]

Have a 675r myself. Couldn’t agree more. I don’t need a 1000 and triumph doesn’t make a 1000 anyway. Pretty cheap to insure & I got it for $4k under msrp new. A steal, I had to do it.

[@deweyunknown3745]

Fuck what other ppl say! If you like your 600 then right on. They’re plenty fast and nimble. On track you’ll see 300s beating guys on liter+ cause they can ride better. It’s just in those straights that non experienced liter riders beat the experienced riders on smaller bikes. Ride what you ride and to hell with the rest.

[@bcrispchannel]

Yeah, there is no reason to buy a 600 over a 1000... and then you proceed to give reasons like purchase price, insurance and risk. Neither bike can be used at its full power legally so it's a matter of choice, cool-factor and, ride comfort and perhaps, how fast you want to go on a track day. Lots of reasons for one over the other. I have a 750 so I think I found the sweet spot!

[@antdx316]

I would never get a 1000cc without TCS and ABS. You only have one life but the risk is way too high with the massive amounts of unknown variables on the street.

[@rich7447]

FFS, We used to ride 170 hp 1000cc sportbikes with no TCS, no ABS no slipper clutch or anything else to simplify life. The fact is that a 1000cc sportbike is a incremental step in your riding level that you do not take without seriously considering the ramifications. There may be a lot more systems to allow less experienced riders to survive on a 1000cc than there used to be, but you have to decide if you want to survive because of your skill level or because some electronic controls keep you alive.

[@Steve-ib4wq]

Rich Hell my tcs is off 80% of the time when im on my 14 636. i know why its there but my 05 636 didnt have it..and i learned on that bike mostly.

[@rich7447]

Steve C, I'm sure that you are a more skilled rider because you learned on a bike without traction control. It was a highside on a 1000cc bike with no electronic aids during practice at Grattan Raceway in Michigan about 12 years ago. All it took was a little too much throttle early in a session and enough distraction for me to follow instincts instead of experience. When the back end stepped way out I should have stayed on the throttle and let it low side, but I didn't. The bike threw me and ran me over (add insult to injury). It was a risky crash on the track, but nowhere near the dangers of the street.

[@masterjim69]

TZR 250 is the most fun bike I've owned. Better power to weight ratio than most bikes. 65-70 hp, 300 lbs wet, handles better than most bikes available here, especially with an Ohlins shock. Very confidence inspiring. I started out on two-strokes: MB5, MB6, RZ350R, then 4-strokes: 550 Seca, 750 Seca, ZX6E, and now ZX9R. I prefer open class bikes on the street. More torque, turns fewer rpm, less buzzing, even lighter in some cases. My ZX9R is 30 lbs lighter and quicker steering (1 inch shorter wheelbase) than my previous ZX6E. I still have the TZR too, which is 263 cc running premix oil. 5 Laguna Seca trips from Los Angeles on that bike.

[@darkwatersband]

lol this video most of the world can only get a 50cc at 16 or 125 at 17

[@HolyOrangeJuice]

Got a 2012 ninja 650 brand new five years ago as my first bike. Just traded it for a 2018 ninja 650 with abs. Couldn't be happier.

[@veteranveteran9915]

So then based on some of the reasons a 300 is fine for the street...

[@AzzA980]

They're great for the street.

[@redhelmet8]

300's are fine till you hit the highway and you are near red lining it just doing the speed of traffic. I won't even suggest them to friends interested in riding. Would rather see them get a dual sport or a 600. Either one will be more fun for them and they won't be caught in the hassle of losing thousands of dollars when they go to sell the thing in 3 months because it doesn't have enough zip for them.

[@paullangford8179]

How far are you going? Now much are you carrying (two people and luggage)? Do you need to filter through traffic? (In the U.K. the Police prefer that you don't make the car queues any longer!) Narrower bikes are handier in heavy traffic.

[@user-zo3qs2lf8w]

Anyone that says a modern 300 is inferior has never been on one or never really learned it's full potential before upgrading. An R3 or Ninja is more than capable of carving through traffic, stopping on a dime and passing/evading cars at freeway speeds.

[@paradroidandroid]

Stop thinking in displacement, it's not an unit of power. Like the UJM, I guess there does exist a UJSHSP, the Universal Japanese Six Hundred Sport Bike, but then you could buy 500-750cc cruiser and they are not even in the same ballpark.

[@nurglemonkie]

Coming from an 08 cbr 600rr myself you make great points, last week moved up to a '14 r1..... but.... UNLIMITED POWA!!!! Plus leg room, will always be a place in my heart for my Honda ❤️

[@crazymigdet247]

Unorganized mess of talking

[@gunnerneikoify]

A funny thing I notice ALLLLLLLLLL the time from you guys naysaying liter bikes is that tons, and I mean TONS of you guys remove CERTIAN graphics on your 600's identifying them as just that, 600's? Why is that??? lol lol....TOO FUNNY!!!!

[@jbaker7134]

In the garage: 09 CBR600RR, gen 1 Vmax, '12 Mustang GT, Raptor 700.... After 7 years, never ridden the 600 and thought it was anything but psycho fast and a blast to commute on... Don't let sticker price 600 vs 1000 make a decision. A new 600 supersport can be acquired for well under 10g with the right timing and dealing.

[@Corkymmi]

after he said better components and better plastics ... that all I need to hear to know this guy doesn't know S#!T.... HAHA

[@robertgiggie6366]

no a company would never put better build quality into their top of the line flagship than into a middle bracket product. sarc

[@royj8549]

Robert Giggie Of course they would - that's why Moto GP bikes have the best quality plastics, with 7 layer clear coats and hand stitched leather that rivals Rolls Royce. sarc

[@robertgiggie6366]

well you ought to look at something like Honda. you have a budget option the 300, then the sports car 600, and then the top of the line full blown 1000. the 300 by far has cheaper components. new it costs only a quarter what the 1000 does. Youre paying for the companys development cost of those better components.

[@DuBstep115]

R1 and R6 are exact copies from each other

[@702bartending6]

I have a used 2006 GSXR 600 and I love it! When me and my buddies go out, I keep up with them on the twisties and even beat a lot of them. Now when I'm on the freeway on long trips outside the city in the dessert here in Nevada. My 600 isn't the most comfortable thing to be riding for more than 3 hours unlike like everyone else's 1000s Or Hayabusa's, but it gets the job done, and honestly I didn't by a sport bike for long road trips! Lol Good video man, good information to pass on 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@robinanthony7459]

You are right bro, I own an Apache RTR 200 and it's just fun riding it, I'm in love with my byke, that much power is enough for me , sometimes I cruse at the speed of 100 and it's just amazing experience to have this 200cc machine in my hand

[@christiaan6488]

Looks so nice to see houses that are not like the compounds in South Africa.

[@ModernGolfer]

Excellent video, HeroRR. Know what I like best about your video? It's that you have a 600 because you LIKE your 600, and fortunately you (and we) have that CHOICE! Don't 'want' that performance (600 or 1000)? Then we have the CHOICE to buy a cruiser, or dual purpose, or 'commuter' bike. Keep the shiny side UP, my friend!

[@danthreepwood2760]

After my first bicycle I went straight for an 1100cc