New Account! New Character First 6 hours of the Adventure

[@shawdowclone]

This was like watching a rich person pretend to be homeless for a day

[@LiveToRidee]

yea right??? i dont have legion flying and it hurt to see him complain about how its so neccesary

[@roohni2226]

LiveToRide it does make things 36646% more convenient

[@Legatium]

@@roohni2226 But it also just mutes the whole experience for someone who has not been there before, taking away the atmosphere and pacing. I sincerely think Flying shouldn't be available to anyone doing a place for the first time.

[@roohni2226]

@@Legatium eh who cares, if it's old content you're gonna zoom through it anyway. and if doing alts i dont care about the story anymore i just want to get through it asap

[@Labneh9102]

@@roohni2226 on your first character, you shouldn't be able to fly. I think once you hit the level cap of that expansion on your first character, then you get it on all characters. Simple idea, and it's a win/win.

[@eleans303]

It's almost like the game is designed around leveling up first.

[@hydrogamer471]

No it isn't.

[@DazeJokerz]

"Not Every Class Can Be a Warlock" - Mike 'preach' WoW, 2018

[@TheLaziMan]

Bring the class, not the player!

[@robertfancyman3873]

Wait until the guys on MMOChamp hear about this!

[@xinj6142]

lol so true. Try doing Argus as an 870 Mage. Will probably take twice as long to gear up.

[@TheLaziMan]

not if u are lucky, you can get up to 930+ in like 2,5 week from 870

[@Snagprophet]

Indeed, it appears only Warlocks can be Warlocks. I hope Blizzard fixes this.

[@joaomacedo4837]

Re-watching this series after the news… Damn im gonna miss this content :(

[@HepburnLove2526]

same :( I even stopped playing wow for abour 2 years now and I still come back to this every once in awhile

[@fokare692]

God BFA and Shadowlands really beat down on us, miss Preach playing wow so much :((

[@sorrowinsanity]

Preach needs to just conscript some friend, or family member that has never played wow, and record what they do. It would be interesting to see someone dropped off in the world who had no experience what so ever. Maybe for the sake of things; start them at level one?

[@Gamerkat10]

Exactly what happened to a friend of mine. It was shockingly similar to this video- you blunder confused through an abbreviated, 'i didnt progress through this expansion and am only told the very last patch content' version of each expac, and then end up in legion with almost no explanation of this stuff that you've never done before, just like him. Stuff that happened naturally over 2 years is condensed again, so it's similar.

[@Rakinjo2]

Aww. Would love to genuinely watch this in it's full duration. :(

[@speeddemonmodelshop7460]

I was that new player, and I was completely lost

[@salazarw123]

Yep, i remember coming back and was lost in some of the BG's. I got the hang of it now.

[@mujexzilla]

I quit WoW in late Cataclysm, for reasons I'm not gonna go into now. But if I was to come back now and boost myself to 110, I'd be like that old man in Shawshank Redemption that gets released from prison at 80 smth years old... I wouldn't know what to do with myself.

[@Eyad.k2]

mujexzilla that's why if someone has quit wow from long time he shouldn't use the boost at all tbh

[@ranchmang]

I quit at end Cata and came back somewhere after Argus. It's like a completely different game.

[@mavirwow2364]

mujexzilla I remember that guy. Love that movie

[@Asmoharg]

"The cockblocking that is the mission table stuff" I literally LOL'ed at that :-)

[@malkolm1337]

@preach please read the warning at 3:50

[@DesolateFields]

To be honest that's a pretty shitty way of addressing the issue - "it's okay, we threw up a 3 line warning not to do this so we're completely covered". It also doesn't change the fact that most of the complaints would be reached on their own anyway even if a new player were to level from lvl1. WoW isn't very friendly to players who don't constantly read up about it on fan sites and that's something Blizzard needs to constantly keep in mind if they want their game to continue getting new players.

[@1231-v1s]

I rekon most new players will take the oppertunity to get a "free" max level character, or will use it to skip the later stages of levelling where it really slows down. If people heeded the warning in most cases you wouldn't have people eating tide pods.

[@Preachgaming]

ill address why this is essentially useless in the next video. There are so so many obvious reasons why this is utterly inadequate

[@ianhorne9594]

What about the person that isn't new to wow but new to the expansion

[@terryturner9576]

Seriously though, if a new player boosted a character and was completely lost on their 110 they would just start a level 1 and learn the game.

[@tristanmueller6653]

I absolutely love this sort of "experiment". It's so interesting to go back as if you were a new player to see how Blizz is handling new content with regards to boosts. I never even thought about how new players might feel with the older community demanding more complicated and difficult content. Great video, Preacher. Keep up the great work. :)

[@sushisparkle]

I can relate to so much that you're talking about. Started wow in Legion but about 2-3 months late as fresh to MMO endgame. Gold is the biggest issue i have had in legion. I didn't start legion with all the gold from garrison farming and haven't really been arsed to learn how to Auction house. The time gating on the classhall I remember being the out-must extent of bullshit when I capped. I was now not only months behind my friends who were crushing EN but also had to wait and wait for this to finish to recieve my last relic slot. I shit you not, once i got it it boosted my dps by 30% straight off( which wasn't much since i was shit)

[@snarf1851]

Coming from someone who started in WOD quit and came back to BFA just to quit again here are some issues with being a new player. 1.Leveling without BOA gear. So often do you get a tank who just rushes the bosses and doesnt kill the trash, if you die when this happens youll often be stuck in the dungeon entrance unable to leave the first room and no one will come back to help you. This was a big issue for me in WOD when i first started playing and didnt have a single BOA. 2. Group finder sucks for learning late game content thats actually somewhat hard. No one communicates and the groups tend to slowly disband and becomes a huge waste of time. Ive even had multple instances where i join a group say im new and need to learn a few things and just get kicked. 3. Guilds don't like to accept and help new players. Now there are "helpers" guilds but they dont typically do late game content. Trying to find a guild that will help you learn late game content and get geared is nearly impossible even if you have prerequisite gear. 4. Everything is expensive and there is very little gold to be made in comparison. Expecially in BFA when professions make chump change while BOE's make all the gold you need. For me its not currently a game worth playing. For an MMORPG it does so many things wrong, The economy is bad, BFA hands you late game gear like its candy, Pathfinder is probably the worst idea ever(expecially when you skip an expansion its like a slap in the face for not giving them money at the time and hell if im going to waste my time on that just to get flying in an expansion no one is playing), the list can go on and on. These issues are in the modern game i still love this game in general. Playing on private servers running old expansions has been a lot of fun and i cant wait for classic to come out.

[@texanjoecoffeehouse8141]

I find that the community (at least in NA) turns toxic when/if you let on your are a newbie. in LFR just yesterday, some new guy asked "what should I know about this boss?" first reply was "it's been out for 2years L2P" with some filtered out colorful words. I mean it would take less energy to be that way to a potentially day 1 player but some people just cant not be jerks

[@Xvi_1337]

Ingrid Morbid yeh boii

[@AnaseSkyrider]

I usually do LFR as a tank, and because of just how often people wiped on KJ and Argus on LFR, I started saving /rw text files to instruct people on how to do these fights because too many people kept fucking up for it to be worthwhile to keep trying without spending that one minute to go through the instructions

[@APRCraig]

Almost like people use credit card chargebacks and use the max level char boost to crash servers by doing various shit. So to avoid this crap, they make sure they get your money and know who you are before they let you have access.

[@Dantarn]

This challenge is already gonna be skewed b/c Preach has SO MUCH knowledge of how to already play the game and how to gear up in Legion. Despite that though, this is probably the closest we're gonna get to figuring out how to make the game better for new/returning players so good on ya Preachyboi Edit: God Bless Preach bringing this up in the video, even better on ya!

[@ruzinus_]

Jacob This is the point I came to the comments to make. Preach cant play from scratch because he cant get rid of his skill level.

[@HarithBK]

the main point he wants to test is that people aren't going to be toxic towards him since he will do well and secoundly that the climb is not super hard.

[@Sclipher]

In addition to that, he does acknowledge that he has that kind of advantage and even says that it’s unfair and not right to give brand new players a boost starting at 8:30

[@mavirwow2364]

Jacob I doubt he'll even get flamed. He's going to do well because of his skill level and because of that nobody is going to care if he's "new" or not..

[@kloaf1131]

Yes but his premise was new players if they get toxic behavior it's because they are messing up.

[@RobertHakes]

its 2022 and i still watch this series of videos. love this!

[@TheZeagon]

i like how this is in recommended after what just happened just level 4head

[@paiengames548]

Brand new to the game and just found your channel I have so much to learn/catch up on holy shit lol. Liking the channel!

[@subbyraccoon]

A new player would not go to LFR or M+ for weeks, or even months since they would have no idea about the tactics or anything related to those instances.

[@helvete983]

Tactics in LFR?

[@Random_Guardsman]

If you have any experience with other MMO's it will carry you a long way since they are pretty much all the same. Would also like to mention that 3 people who joined my guild a while back started doing mythic antorous 3 months after first creating a lvl 1 char and leveling it, pugging normal/hc, doing m+ and did not join a guild until they felt ready for mythic. 3 months, thats nothing..

[@Anaphriel]

A halfway MMO experienced "new" player to WoW...will seek out information, and be met with an absolute wealth at their disposal. Wowhead, Icy Veins, Trade Chat (when they're not just being trolls), random friendly players, or getting into a guild...the information they need (Go to X, farm X, do this it's not hard, jump into LFR...even if you die in the first 5 mins, don't matter) will be quickly made available to them.

[@GdotWdot]

So, when I was playing around 7.2 I met a 110 mage who said he dinged a few weeks earlier. He didn't know what Artifact Knowledge was. He was Czech and his English was OK but not really stellar, so I guess he didn't exactly read everything that came up. Truth be told, class halls left a lot to be desired in terms of user experience - Dreamgrove's map for example might be the #1 worst map I have ever seen in my life, and so by a large margin. There's so many very intricate yet absolutely essential systems in the game these days, and they just blow up in your face the moment you hit max level, with no warning. And if the WoW team aims to make the game accessible, wherewith I don't take issue - that's just what I assume they're aiming for - then they have to make a better effort.

[@boxdisguise]

As a newly boosted pleb. Yeah we would. Most people just assume that new players dont have google

[@x-rogaming4475]

Just imagine now it’s shadowlands and when you start a new character on the island. Everything that is there telling you exactly what your talking about

[@kielwymer]

I feel like there's a misinterpretation of intent here. The 100 boost is for now, this solves MANY of the issues you mention as you level through Legion content appropriately. The 110 boost is targeted for BFA, not the current game. I don't understand why a brand new player would even buy the game including an expansion that isn't out yet (except by mistake). Blizzard don't intend for new players to get the BFA preorder and play legion I think. It's perhaps wrong of them, they should see that this will be a thing, but they've never really targeted max-level boosts at current expansion except at the end of that content right before the next expansion releases.

[@The86Ripper]

This video was very well structured and you also made some good points!

[@Arch0s]

The other day I actually met a, what seemed to be, freshly boosted Warlock in Dalaran who asked me where 'Dreadscar Rift' was. I hadn't even considered that the game doesn't help a player to find such essential things :(.

[@badassoverlordzetta]

LOL I just did that the yesterday after boosting a warlock!

[@madzzzey]

So many questions in tradechat that should have been explained by blizzard in a better, as of now other players have to explain it.

[@Anaphriel]

All I can picture... Newb Lock: /2 Where is Dreadscar Rift? Trade Chat: It's in Underbelly, lawlspleb Newb Lock: Ok...hmm, there seems to be some debuff that guards aren't at their posts...I wonder what this... "release Spirit"....wtf happened? Ah well, "Run back, Rez"....."Release Spirit"....wtffffffff....

[@lefthook4878]

Anaphriel...LMAO!!

[@Lors_101]

I've played since vanilla, it took me 15 minutes trying to find the rogue entrance before looking it up and WoW head saying I need to go flash my insignia to the head of businesses that have a raven on the sign, and another 10 minutes on how to get to the main chamber because there's a secret torch you need to click

[@qelifern-2894]

Im always coming back to watch these videos, some of the best WoW content on youtube

[@Jackiebarrel51]

They should remove the 110 boost service for your account until you have leveled a character to 110. For new players buying the expansion and do not have a character above level 2 should just get the message "free 110 boost after reaching 110 on a character. I dont really understand why a new player would boost a character and not think there would be tons of things they would not know about.

[@Woosle]

tbh I'd say give two boosts. One to 100 and one to 110, which it look like preach had. Boost to 100 so you can actually know wtf your order hall is and stuff like that, and have a 110 boost for w/e other class you want so you already know whats what.

[@kloaf1131]

If you have to buy everything including legion (which brand new players would) then you get the lvl 100 boost as well.

[@zach6395]

I agree and disagree with that and would compromise between the two. I believe that in order to understand your character, you need to go from level 1-110. On the other hand, we're at a point where all the relevant content is at the end of the game. I would be more in favor of keeping the boost to the start of the current expansion. So 100 for now, and you get ready to start the current expansion, *if* you do not have a capped character. With the capped character on the account, you should then be able to boost to 110.

[@Blutnymph]

Some people don't like all the fodder before end game and level from 1 and up does not always teach you your class.

[@austinowens2072]

I understand after boosting and being CLUELESS as to anything going on. It was a ride. I hated the game and ended up quitting. I ended up coming back and leveling from scratch and ended up loving the game, but when I spent 100 bucks on everything and my friends are high level, I didn't want to be level 1 and be alone with none of my friends.

[@ChibiGamEr]

This was a great video. I just got back to wow after a year or 2 and the info you mentioned was good to hear as I start doin legion content.

[@benlahcakes]

Buying BFA was your first mistake. What "New" Player is going to dump money on an expansion that isn't even out yet. Using the 100 Boost would have been a much better experiment.

[@jacobmoore4493]

His points were having no idea about the order hall or about the artifact and etc etc, if you boosted a 100 then you'd learn this like any experienced player did when Legion launched. You won't be ahead in Legion and have to question what you've missed because in Legion you've missed nothing.

[@hayleygeek]

Me I’m that new player that dumped money. It’s called marketing and KZbin adverts. KZbin made me buy it. Plus I’m a heavy gamer so will always play it either on release or years later.

[@jacobmoore4493]

HayleyGeek then with all due respect you cannot complain if you do something as foolish as that

[@hayleygeek]

Jacob Moore foolish for buying a complete game with full expansions.? Now that is ridiculous. You’re a bit of a fool if you don’t take advantage of buying it when it’s lower cost and a package deal but hey ho. Save money or not to save money. That is the question.

[@hayleygeek]

Jacob Moore I also didn’t complain lol the initial note was that no new players do this. To which I replied that I did.

[@CaseyTatum42069]

+Preach Gaming I can vividly remember the first time I logged into WoW and it taking me the better part of the night just to figure out how to talk ( /s /p /r ). I cannot believe there isn't an intro quest for each race and boosted character that explains basics such as how to speak, how to find your mounts, how to open your bags, etc. Awesome video btw!

[@ChEILoZ]

I'm sorry preach but blizz got you beat on every point you made. "If you're new to world of Warcraft we highly recommend you start with a level 1"

[@mattitudev3]

Exactly, thank you. No-one who is 'completely' new should be doing the 110 boost anyway, (the people who do are kinda stupid). So none of these problems are really problems to be honest.

[@Anaphriel]

Firstly - This was never a series about the 1-110 experience. He laid it out in the introductory vid that his intent was to Boost and see how long it would take to get to AOTC from a "fresh player perspective". Secondly - "Here's a ticket to all the cool stuff, where everyone else is...but...we recommend you don't actually use it" will work on...*maybe* half the people who buy the game. At least those with any level of experience. For those looking to get right in and copy what they see KZbinr's doing, you're damn right they're going to skip the time gating that is levelling to 110.

[@ChEILoZ]

Anaphriel Doesn't matter. You buy it you get a boost, blizz says you shouldn't use it and start a level 1. If you ignore that then it's not in blizzards hands to guide you

[@cairnebloodfist3347]

That's completely irrelevant. Blizzard knows some people are going to skip to 110 anyways, it's probably the majority of the reason they got the Legion preorder. There is no defending the horrendous fresh boost experience.

[@oshkoshbegone]

They should remove the 110 boost or restrict it for brand new accounts

[@Tholesline]

Oh thank you so much! I played first few months of legion and now i have returned, but I was stuck with 880gear so thanks for mentioning that argus is the best spot :D I totally overlooked that quest in the log :D

[@reubuzz5846]

You shouldn't be able to use a boost unless you have a toon with at least the level of the boost, would resolve so many of these issues.

[@tlahuicolebarrraz7772]

Reubuz z wouldn’t solve the revenue stream blizz craves

[@loser-nobody]

Wow. This is startling to see as a long-time player who decided to take the bench and just play along for the journey (aka casual) after the start of WoD. I re-rolled onto a new server for Legion and I'm taking my time, finishing _Loremaster_ and setting up my self-sufficient alt-empire I've been so used to having over the years. I still don't have a max character, my highest level is 104, I hardly have any AP, and it's outrageous to see how much you're immediately ahead of me with a 110 boost. While I disagree with a few of your sentiments, *this video rings true to the nearly altruistic betterment of the game that I subscribed to this channel for in the first place.* Thanks man.

[@thegameingnetwork4738]

This is really big help I just started wow and I didn’t know what to do at all or how to get started

[@ThatLongTrainRide]

welcome!

[@jeremystoltenberg1451]

Didn't you know? According to some of the other comments here you deserve to have a crappy experience and you should go roll a new level 1 character to learn the game...

[@6teeth]

Why is rolling a lvl1 crappy?

[@catch.22]

yeap jeremy exactly. Some people just defend stupid practices. Like Im not gonna afk through most of those levels in dungeonfinder.

[@jonplusultra8037]

Very happy that you are doing this series. It's something I find incredibly interesting to watch - it's kind of like a mini let's play of WoW.

[@thededicatedguild7442]

A new player wouldn't use the boost for their first character - i know this because i had 2x RAFs who told me they refused to use it because they wanted to learn the game first and do all the quests. - took them most of last expac to catch up for the start of legion.

[@Narusasu98]

You can't make a generality about two people...

[@hayleygeek]

Wrong. I boosted my level 60 to 110 to avoid queues in BC dungeons etc. I did make previous characters but they got to 40 odd as I didn’t enjoy alliance. Sorry.

[@Nicolas-fo8qd]

To say that people are stupid for boosting as a new player is incredibly short-sighted. Boosts should have NEVER been added. But gotta make that activision money.

[@joeexotic1065]

Wait till you wanna do mythic plus and everyone thinks you need to be 950 ilvl just to run a 6 or so🙄

[@Swordart2022]

when you see titnaforged na lfr heroes with high i lvl doing 200K dps you would require as high as you can i lvl can not show have skille/expereinced guys are so if you they have more there is a chance even with no idea they would some how do dps with raw gear power.

[@mrheartbane]

Except if it was your key you would do the same because your desperate for higher keystone reward. Not saying its right but hey you have your own keystone for a reason to avoid being ilvl locked.

[@shanietraps]

dinged 110 with around 830ilvl the day before yesterday on my dh.. did a mythic, got a key.. and with no guild or friends on the server, I've just completed the first +10. Boost your own damn keys instead of trying to join others with ur crap gear... you'll get carried so hard you won't even have to open your dungeon guide to learn tacts. or are you one of those guys that are too scared to make your own grps?

[@joeexotic1065]

I don’t know how much mythic plus you guys do but for me it’s a lot faster trying to get in a group with a tank or healer already present rather then trying to start a fresh group. Plus I like to run multiple keys and the fact that people expect everyone to be 950 plus for simple 6-10 plus keys is ridiculous. You can boost yours too a certain point but after you get it too high it’s better / more fun to do keys in your ilvl range.

[@hydrogamer471]

@@Swordart2022 Yes you totally had to specify NA as if region has anything to do with player behavior. Did you know we are the only ones who have ever set foot on the moon? We also invented the internet you are using.

[@_-Ruki-_]

Awesome! I cannot wait for the rest of this, I'm gearing an alt right now and have had almost the same experience (minus flying and gold issues :) ) Thanks Mike for doing this!

[@Drummajorguy762]

The 110 boost comes with battle so you can also start the new expansion. I feel like a new player would buy in for a lot less for the 100 boost and it is a lot more friendly because i finally used my 100 boost a few days ago and it explained a good bit and led me by the hand for a while with a smooth transition from introducing the artifacts, class halls, etc. picked my quest zone and i was off. the 110 boost can use a bit more introduction i agree.

[@Anaphriel]

Part of the issue comes with the fact that the Boosts are meant to be for those to jump right in to *current* content. Unfortunately, it's the previous 6 months of content that sets up where we are now. The boost would be *WAY* more effective if it was made available on launch for BFA, but of course, very few people will use it as such.

[@badvoc1803]

As a player that came back after 10 years. I chose to re-roll as i wanted to re-learn how to play. Its very nice to see some like your self address these problems. Also addressing your knowledge of the game gives you a an advantage that a fresh player would be hammering google/youtube for knollege on boss mechanics and quests. Mike and co thanks for your content and keep having fun.

[@jeremynoel2545]

The main problem with this boost is that it's MEANT to start BFA content right away, not to play legion content. The main problem then becomes new players being able to buy the boost before BFA comes out and trying to play legion at the end of it.

[@TheMiddleAgedKidVideos]

This. They don't need to explain artifacts, class halls, etc if you are boosting because those won't be in BFA. It's not meant for you to play Legion. The fact that is is available 9 months out is the issue not the mechanics of the boost.

[@Bigace39.]

After watching this you definitely confirmed my hunch of leveling to 110 instead of boosting to re-learn the game (haven't played since 2015). Also, I wish you worked form Blizzard so they would listen to you; for the first few hours of play, I was just wandering around aimlessly trying to found out how to get to the Broken Aisles and had no clue the legion quest began in front of Org, so annoying. Anyways, thanks for the vid!

[@Tagzin_]

if you just boost to 100 there is a proper intro which teaches you all about your class, surprised theres not the same for 110

[@Anaphriel]

^^ Would solve a lot.

[@andreagonzalez7161]

it's there now

[@chrishagen8204]

I started WoW fresh at the latter end of ToS. So i can relate to this video quite a bit. Took me a while to find a decent guild that was clearing Heroic Kil'Jaden and would accept my item level. Since Antorus came out I changed guilds to do mythic raiding. Didn't really run into that much toxicity besides if i did something stupid in a mythic+ not knowing the mechanics despite watching a guide or two. I 100% agree the biggest issues i ran into was how poor of a position a boost leaves you in. I was utterly confused about quests, where to go, what was what, etc... Thanks for the content Preach

[@AdrasAdraki]

Wouldnt it be like better for the sake of the exoeriement to record everything you want and then start releasing it after u are done?

[@blobster9]

He doesn't know how long that will actually take, will be a bit of a ball ache having people expecting a video that he announced and it doesn't come out for over a month lol.

[@KronosSupreme]

Ya he kind of ruined it already. He should have at least waited a week before uploading this video and at least try for a bit before showing his name to everyone. It defeats the purpose.

[@bakashiki4514]

To be honest, it's Mike..he said it's two days behind where he currently is in game. I wouldn't put it past him to already have Ahead of the curve

[@AdrasAdraki]

Rhys Howells I think u overestimate him. Not that his isnt a great player but he has no conections on this acount nothing from his main that could help him.

[@AdrasAdraki]

Tonino Personally id prefer he came out and said "hey its still beinf worked on" and nobody sais he cant make other vids on the meantime. Its not like theres no time till next expac.

[@kakkakontent]

Really enjoying content like this. :) Thanks for being a great info source for WoW.

[@HorusHeresy1982]

This video series was kind of doomed from the concept simply because as you say a new player will not know anything about the game. But that also includes tactics for raids and dungeons and everything you've already completed on mythic. They won't understand itemization or navigation of menu's or the basics of addon's and keybinding etc. Your video series ends up a complete success even when starting a brand new character because you know how the game works on both ends start and finish, I don't believe any fresh player is going to be able to power through the 110 maze to get Ahead of the Curve in the manner this portrays. It's a nice idea and as close to the fresh experience you as a player can get but it's not really accurate. The basics of enchanting will be beyond people who've just started.

[@555happydude]

Around July last year a friend of mine who'd never tried WoW but was always curious gave it a go. Pretty much all of the potential issues you are talking about in this video, he hit. I was bombarded with questions, and the answers just seemed to confuse him more. Argus did in fact kick his ass, and he's yet to finish it. Rarely logs on, and I think it's partly how overwhelming everything is, and partly because it's so unforgiving to someone fresh to the game - no proper tutorials, no real guide on how to git gud.

[@Balaclavaman]

Should've just shown the 6 hours of waiting for the character boost to come available. MISLEADING TITLE!

[@hydrogamer471]

Title isn't misleading at all, you just thought that this would have something to do with leveling, for some reason. As if this channel isn't dedicated to endgame.

[@AndrewO83]

A Warlock, bloody good choice. This video is good for me too Preach, I just recently re-subbed back to the game and will be pre-purchasing BfA soon too. I have not seen Argus so thanks for the tip about AotC Argus first then Mythics.

[@DaWoWzer]

lawl went with a female bloodelf, not trying to cheese it eh? Kappa

[@DarkClown06]

Grumar S Trying to get that girl carry

[@jakel2217]

To be fair, Blizzard still hasn't added a male option for blood elves.

[@Preachgaming]

haha im hoping you dont think every female char in wow is a girl irl. I mean ive been female for 70% of legion

[@JennyShine]

it's funny because i've met more females in WoW on male characters instead of female ones xD

[@pobopower]

twitch called. wanted its cringe back

[@Azzaaah6]

Would have been amazing if you were to have done this during the Ny’Alotha patch of BFA! 1) Shown the massive impact of essences and inability of new players to acquire them 2) Heart of Azeroth Grind 3) Impact of corruption gear on class performance, and ultimately, their dependence to make classes good 4) Azerite armour grind Genuinely think the outcome would have been so much worse for a new player compared to Legion !

[@AmazingBlock]

When I started playing wow I bought legion and I played on my boosted account. I didnt know shit about the game and it was soooo frustrating starting off. Luckily I had 3 friends that helped me out but still, it was a really bad experience.

[@danielbraunstein1409]

I think you bring up a real awesome point. Just re-joined last week after being away since WoD, and got the $50 bfa pre-order + legion with 110 boost. After boosting up my hpriest and wanting to dive into content I immediately had no idea what the fuck was going on (I've been playing since vanilla and have at least leveled through every xpac but only hit endgame in Wrath, Pand, and WoD). So I took my 100 Paladin that I *very conveniently had from WoD* and went through it old-school to figure out what the hell was going on. Had I not had that paladin it definitely would have been absolutely brutal.

[@Xfacta12482]

"Blizzard just killed their own content" Unfortunately thats my biggest gripe with WoW as of late. Its such a zerg to the newest thing that old content that may be a tier behind, even if its great, is immediately made irrelevant. Wish they could find a way to make old raids more of a challenge and viable like they did with keystones.

[@TheOGAlpacalypse]

M+ raiding would be something to see

[@j_shaw]

No. This is a classic "you think you do, but you don't"-scenario; think about it, do you really want to go back and run ToS and NH every week? In fact we've had a period during legion where a lot of classes needed NH 2set or a trinket (think convergence of fates, it's still relevant on decent ilvl), and most people didn't like it.

[@Xfacta12482]

I think thats a bit of an extreme example of something that made it more or less required. It's just a shame that there is so much old content and you can go to Argus and surpass an entire expansion of pretty well made content in an hour or two. Anything outside of Argus/Antorus right now is basically pointless to even waste your time on. Theres a happy middle-ground in all of this. There's some design out there that will let new content co-exist with old content without just shoving it off to the side and pretending it doesn't even exist anymore.

[@madzzzey]

Alpacalypse you do not want m+ raiding, you have mythic raiding for that.

[@j_shaw]

Mark Shull yeah there is a happy middle ground: it's called world quests.

[@InternetheroxD]

Amazing series, loved it! Very interesting to see what new players go through.

[@oneseventytwo3260]

this isnt what new players go through though this is an elitist trying to play like either a new player or a returning player cant be done with all his knowledge of the game. a new player should start at level 1 like blizz says when trying to boost your character to 110 if its a returning player they should start where they left off so if they left at 90 then go from there for an example. i just cant see why a new or returning player would think its a good idea to use a 110boost

[@MrAlitheking123]

I mean, Blizzard does give a warning before using a boost that they recommend that a new player starts off with a level 1 rather then boosting. If a new player chooses to ignore that, it's quite obvious they'll learn slower. I do agree there should be some kind of guidance but I do at the same time think Blizzard was aiming those boosts to players who know what they're doing.

[@saffe8]

This is so true, I've played WoD for a while and recently got back into Legion (preordered BfA). And nearly everything you said is true. So many things were confusing af. Blizzard should really adress some of those issues with introduction into basic things when boosting.

[@Israelrlln]

I would never recommend a character boost to a new player looking to try out World of Warcraft for the first time. This video is a great example of why thats a real bad idea. A better idea for a new player would be to level a character from scratch. Especially now at the tail end of Legion, theres plenty of time for that player to comfortably learn all the things WoW has to offer before BfA is released.

[@Nimbleroo]

I glad to see that you have followed through with this idea, I shows that my difficulty with returning to this game hasn't purely been my own fault. ( i posted on your last video with the gearing challenge) However you have started with an advantage that I didnt get which is gear that is 870, emissary missions wtf is that, , , I understand you have the knowledge of the game and this is common practice for you to use these tools to gear up, I simply have not been given this information or a clue that I could research to learn about. I really hope this doesnt come across as bitchy or whinny I've enjoyed your content for a long time but watchng this video has basically cemented my choice to leave WoW again, not because of burn out, not because of some toxic behaviour, not because I no longer enjoy the game play, but because the learning curve and required time investment to acquire that knowledge to allow anyone the gear up quickly isn't provided. I have found wow to be a fantastic game for anyone who has the time to an enormous amount on it, but as a new player (i say this instead of returning because this is nothing like WotLK) I dont want to sink that much time into something i ''might'' enjoy again. and starting out a 0g to build up to buy a small peice of gear that can push me over a tiny threshold to even get into heroic dungeons is a nightmare. The economy is not entirely blizzards fault but its yet another task that any new player is crippled with. I no longer want to be a part of this game and it saddens me that I feel like I has this choice or the option spend most of my time reading guides on how to play the game. I hope you continue your great content creation and that i havnt bummed you out to much. thx.

[@mrfeather2732]

Is this the new offline story mode game?? I heard its very depressing though. Might as well just play god of war or some shit.

[@oriagruber]

Can't wait to see you being chain declined from groups to m+ because "lol sub 2k mythic score". Let's see what you think of the community then.

[@TenshizakiN008]

I did something similar that I called a Noob Quest on Twitter. It was a fun experience for me as I was coming back to the game after not playing since MoP. Mind you, I did get very bored after some time in certain spots, but I made it from 1-110 in a month. It brought back my love for WoW, and while I don't recommend it to people like me who had played before and want to come back, I also didn't want to make the game seem unfriendly to completely new players. I had midling results with my followers, but I wish you the best!

[@sjsr1067]

My eight year old grandson just started a new account, and also boosted his first character, and is not having the trouble you are. Maybe you need to be eight.

[@Weslicus]

Yeah but i bet your 8 year old isnt going for ahead of the curve. Hes probably having a hell of a time just running around dal and seeing all the buildings and people.

[@BiIboSwaggins]

I want to be 8 again, experience wow all over again.... I wish that was possible haha,.

[@niwaar]

Started a new account? Do you mean he started for the first time? ie hasn't played before and knows nothing/very little about the game. Remember the video is about being a "fresh" player who has no knowledge. Preach is making a point that Blizzard needs to streamline the 110 boosted experience for new players.

[@81jebi]

fckin bullshit...

[@xyxxyyxx]

81jebi might not be bullshit but he might have someone to guide him

[@kindofvague]

Yo Preach, I got back into the game about a year ago after not subbing since Vanilla. I think what I did made the game super enjoyable. I played a new character up until around Wrath content, then used my lvl 100 boost to play through all the Legion content and was blown away by how fun Legion was.

[@ChichiNaka]

Isn't a better example just what your wife does/understands in the game? has she full cleared normal or heroic antorus yet as a seemingly new player? Less so the guy who plays the game 50% of his time?

[@madzzzey]

Well, preach know the game, sure but he can also be reflective about the proses, a new player would never be able to give feedback like this. This is basically preach telling blizzard what's wrong whit the new player experience, what they should do better and how it feels with not having the information you need in the game. Think blizzard have stated they don't want you to have to go out of the game to figure thing out.

[@MrZombieraider]

Afaik emma already has curve, she did a viewer-run quite some time ago

[@kaisertodosi8489]

20:30 But they did reduce the time on the campaign mission table quests. It's 1 hour if you counter everything or 2 if you do not. Maybe it's different on a new account, I don't know, but on my alts it worked this way.

[@raver377]

...anyone else triggered by preach naming a blood elfs moons?

[@hory121]

Hello Mike, There is this guy called SoupaSoka here on youtube and he has only played vanilla servers ever since vanilla was released and he decided to try Legion (or rather any expansion at all) for his first time ever a couple of months ago. First he leveled to like level 15 and then he boosted his character to 100, leveled to 110 and then he made a video comparing it to vanilla. He is also leveling a character from scratch (currently level 70 something and doing wrath content) It's very interesting to see how a ''new'' old school player thinks about everything we have now in the game and some things he finds very interesting that I have just taken for granted or forgotten that it wasnt like that back in vanilla. Anyway, I just wanted to share this as its pretty interesting and I thought you would like to take a look at it. :)

[@bourbon5983]

Fresh experience, new account and let's see how noobies play! *SPAM LEVEL BOOST*

[@jordanparis964]

I recently started and boosted my first character and was overwhelmed by everything so rerolled from level 1 within 5min

[@LightningDragonGamer]

I tried EverQuest once and made a max level character, and I had no clue what to do. Max level boosts should definitely require at least one max level character

[@Mochachocakon]

But then you have this problem where you can't just play with your friends quickly (and before you say "Just level new characters together." Nope, there have been enough drama times as proof that this doesn't tend to work out). An okay compromise would have been to give a 100 boost but with ilvl 775 gear (or whatever the ilevel you gain from normal dungeon drops) and have you run the quests and order halls properly (without the needless time gating this late in), this way you are still cutting out a ton of the grind and will have an easier leveling experience that gradually introduces new players to Legion systems and currencies. Granted, those new players still won't know what the hell they are doing and will not know what raiding or mythic+ is. I mean hell, there is still a stigma surrounding Mythic dungeons and that it is some kind of hardcore content.

[@madzzzey]

Make a better tutorial system if you don't have a 110 on your account. You need a minimum knowledge of systems and features to have fun in the game: so give them pointer to the basic, and find a way to express the rest; raiding (all modes) m+ and pvp

[@Anaphriel]

Much like the 110 Class Trial, they should do the same to initial boosts...you're only gonna boost one toon per account (through the BFA purchase Route)...make em go through a half hour of RP and tutorials to save hours and hours of confusion.

[@robertfancyman3873]

As someone who started playing in Legion, let me tell you that the knowledge you have of the game systems will help more than anything else possibly could. For example, it took me months to start doing Mythic+ because the system simply wasn't explained to me. I had no idea what a key was, I didn't know where to go to even get a group for a Mythic dungeon, and I was petrified by the word 'Mythic'. In my newbie mind that meant 'oh god that's the word they use for the hardest content in the game, that's way beyond me I guess I'll stick to Heroic'.

[@Cranefluff]

Premade Elvui setup, seems like something a new player would have.

[@7JeyKey7]

But it has no effect on the gearing up process and thats what matters lol

[@Whackfear]

That's not the point.

[@axeurl]

Well it actually does, it gives you information more clearly and the same holds true for full keybind, Preach is less playing a noob, and more playing a highly skilled player that havn't dropped in skill level at all, that is returning the game. which isn't really the same

[@itskhro]

You all realize that the UI is an actual noobs LAST PROBLEM? Addons come later. This is just some quality of life, because Mike would be able to play anyway, might as well copy his UI and make the game plyable for a vet.

[@axeurl]

Oh yeah i do realize it, however this series was about experiencing how it was for a new player, plus Mike should be rather used to the bad blizz UI with how much time he has spent on the PTR and Alpha/Beta Realms.

[@Kalippofy]

best thing ive seen in a long time. i actually enjoy the game by doing the same thing. going to a completely new server and grind my way up to max level and start playing there on my own with the intention to raid as high as possible without joining a guild.

[@flyz456]

Absolutely agree with mission tables. I've been leveling alts and mission tables are taking me out of my fun with alts. Hopefully they are less a feature in BfA.

[@keatonmckee6935]

Sour Fruit they still have the missions, in the beta at least.

[@markosmartong434]

You are so on point with this video! I took a long break from the game...came back bought BFA and had to figure out WTF to do.

[@colinstephens9855]

You cheated Preach, you should have played up from level 1. The game is gonna be disjointed from a boost perspective, the real question if you play from 1, how easy is it end up at the end game with all the stuff a veteran player has done, I.e flying and achievements etc along the way

[@Lors_101]

Also think he should've leveled up and attempted to act like a noob asking for help and possibly gold to really test the experience of being a noob and knowing nothing (or acting like that anyways) and seeing how helpful or toxic the community is, also he should've released this after he finished it so he doesn't get biased help from a guild leader that knows it's preach

[@jacobmoore4493]

The thing is if you're committing yourself to having a non-skewed test you should have the dedication to show what it truly would be like starting a new account. What new person pre-orders an expansion for a game they haven't even played before? I know I wouldn't. Colin isn't the one being stupid, it's you. When scientists run experiments they don't just skip to the conclusion. A big part of WoW and your experience playing it will be leveling and seeing new things and learning how to actually use your character and to skip that like a brand new player would even know how to get to Argus and get 960 ilvl and raid Mythics or even have the skill to do that is one hell of a stupid assumption and a downfall of this video.

[@zombiepush]

I was introduced to WoW by family and friends. Sadly it didn't end well, I was used as the mobile backpack or joined their guilds that never did anything and I got no help in anything. I was/am interested in becoming a serious player but got stuck into newbie land. HOW TO GET THERE, was my biggest question. I became so worried that I sucked that I didn't want to join random groups and eventually I leave the game frustrated. I come back to the game because I love it and get mocked for doing so and not having everything on point. It feels like an endless cycle. I plan on getting better by having FUN and making mistakes. So thanks for your efforts, I'll be trying to get out of my own rut!

[@dominicszatanek7837]

I'm 13 and I'm a 110 dh ilvl 932 and I could of got flying but my dad beat me to it he had a sham ilvl 850 and he's has flying be for me 😭

[@matsen1153]

dominic szatanek who plays more? him or you?

[@Clonewolf369]

i've recently bought the expentions Legion and BfA with the complete way wich said "30 days game time included" (wich i didnt recieve but thats another story) I wasnt level 100 yet. so i figured ill learn all the stuff along the quest lines in legion well im 110 now.. and get thrown all theese quest in my face.. no clue to witch one is "more important" or wich one is the follow up quest.. i just have a full quest log now.. not knowing what to do.. what order to do them and all this weird garison quest i need to do wich takes days cant fly either because i need to be 110 and have a ton of achievement.. i'm feeling stuck.. so i just start to do quests from zones and see where it will take me.. i didnt even boost... and i feel lost.

[@bombademar4711]

A warlock? warlocks have a waaaay easier time to get into groups with low gear just to be their summoning slave

[@cairnebloodfist3347]

Bombademar It's infinitely harder than any other hybrid class. Every single hybrid class I've played has gotten to 960 within a month of starting it. I've given up on every, single, pure dps class because the dps pug experience is atrocious

[@cairnebloodfist3347]

Siren Watcher Summoning stones are actually a massive deal in high keys. You can go swap talents out mid dungeon by just double summoning them back. A good example is court of stars where there is a fair bit of aoe before the third boss, and the third boss requires more defensive play. It's very common for resto druids to hearth out after 2nd boss to swap from feral affinity to guardian affinity for example. Also, if you are pugging and it doesn't go well so someone needs to go repair b/c no hammer or repairbot, you just hearth out and get summoned. I've had numerous groups just fall apart because someone had to repair, and numerous keys that a summoning stone has made or break the deplete.

[@christopherpatterson4084]

This is exactly how I felt coming back last week, I've played the game before (luckily) but stopped after a few months into Legion. Came back, levelled my 100 shaman to 110 and I've no idea what's going on. No flying, and really, its still a pain in the backside trying to get there anywhere toward that. So far I've got revered with Nightborn, but none of the others (focusing for the new expansion). It's been a pain, a real pain. I'm also lucky that I have a couple of friends still playing who were able to explain major bits to me. Do still feel lost most of the time.

[@ConnorCoultrup]

I wish this was more of a guide tbh. I had no idea there was a legendary ring in Argus, never knew the reason to go there other than story. I feel like you've just skipped the entire gearing process already, as you are about to start Mythic+ already and then normals raids very very very soon. This video kind of is only for top end people going "HUR DUR SEE IT IS EASY" instead of actually educating the playerbase on how to get better / where to get better like so many of your videos. Still love ya, just disappointing that this was kind of a nothing video.

[@KosmataBradva]

This is not a guide. It's a experiment regarding pug toxicity.

[@madzzzey]

This is not skipping the gearing presses, or elitist, don't be that way. He starts at a basic boost, new player/getting back to the game experience. It's his reflection on how the systems work, how the experience feels compared to what he knows it - it's nice reflection on the new feeling and how to improve it.

[@ConnorCoultrup]

What he says is certainly valuable for sure, and he is correct in that Blizzard really needs to do more to help direct new players who use a boost especially for their first character. I just wish it was more in depth I suppose, as while he highlights incredibly important points he doesn't actually do anything to assist in solving the issue, just says "This is a problem.". Still liked the video, still rated it a thumbs up, will very happily watch all his following videos to come - I just wish the video had taken a slightly different direction is all.

[@whales96l10]

Doing World Quests puts you at the gear level needed to start Mythic+

[@AwkwardSquirtles]

Really, you didn't know about the Argus legendary ring? Have you not completed the main Argus storyline? That leads you into the raid, and has a quest that rewards you with a free legendary ring. If you haven't yet completed the Seat of the Triumverate dungeon quest then it's the one after that.

[@kaiyoungerman9348]

God damn the Blizzard/Wow Devs NEED to see this. Amazing job breaking down the perspective as a new player. Even for me taking a break and returning, I felt incredibly lost in what direction I was supposed to go. Besides Argus obviously, they drill that into you for sure

[@oneseventytwo3260]

no

[@kaiyoungerman9348]

one seventytwo no

[@Metalface213]

Ass-Venture :D

[@vsmander6859]

So true about the 110 boost error message, I got it when I was just starting out and it almost put me off the game. (you're also completely right about them killing their content with the boost by having you go straight to argus, I didn't even know about all the broken isles content until I finished that campaign....)

[@Xfacta12482]

Such a crying shame to think of people playing WoW for the 1st time with a boosted character. Missing out on so many memories. Theyre putting in all these systems in their game that TAKE GAMEPLAY away from players.

[@Anaphriel]

The system is in place...but a choice. After playing for over a decade, I appreciate the means to not have to slog through it. But if I was a new player completely, I would play a toon from 1-110 so I knew what the hell I was doing...then boost a secondary that I was interested in.

[@TheDevilsOwl505]

Can't lie, as spot on as the series is as a whole, this first episode is full of entitlement in terms of what new players should expect, a simple press of M or reading the quest will tell you where to go, which I'm sure any new player can figure out whose played most any other PC game, secondly, boosting as a brand new player and complaining about not knowing what's going on is like starting a new show on Season 7 and complaining about not knowing the characters or plot, don't skip ahead

[@buurz]

In other words, blizzard was lazy, as usual.

[@camsmyth101]

buurz omg right I started in WOD I guess I missed the main golden days but I’ve said this a lot to my mate this company is lazy a lot .

[@janacagle2141]

why weren't your tororials on? the try the class out feature at character creation screen covers much of this as well.

[@ZeadeZeppeli]

Looking forward to tomorrow! This is an interesting experiment.

[@torstenstormson]

What addon are you using for the buff/debuff timers? Quartz doesn't do it for player (at least not that i can find) and Forte hasn't been updated since 2012 i think..

[@MrMurminator]

I didn't start legion at the start I started in the middle, literally just did all the quests I was given with no idea where any of them would lead and got to a reasonable item level. Honestly the hardest bit I found was getting into a raid team that wasn't struggling to clear normal I essentially had to join a raid team far bellow my skill level to get some kills under my belt before I could join a better one just so I could prove I wasn't a moron. Obviously going to be a little different for a new player but that was my returning player experience (Though I level'd I didn't use a boost because this was a good few months back now). The druid order hall had a nice intro to it at the time as well.

[@Bearcats2818]

So I was thinking about getting into WoW for the first time (I have always wanted to play, just never pulled the trigger). I assume the best thing for me would to just start as a fresh level 1 account and just level up to cap from there?

[@Вларрад]

I've been waiting for this one. Ty.

[@ItsSvetsi]

Interesting to see how the starting experience for boosted characters plays out in terms of giving the player information on what to do and where to go. It seems to me like Blizzard may have thought this would primarily be used by more experienced players ho want to skip leveling and get into the end game. Maybe quite a large oversight on their part as, with this being given to everyone who buys Legion, new players are 100% going to use it. Even watching this as a player who knows and has played Legion, I was kind of lost. This is something Blizz definitely should look into fixing up. A few paragraphs of text and a couple of extra quest markers would make all the difference to someone who has literally no idea what's going on.

[@Lycanite]

The boost should be to something like 108 if you don't have any 110 characters yet so that you can go through some of the intro stuff, get a taste of world quests and then be all familiarised when at 110.

[@realdanetrain]

I am actually looking forward to seeing how this series plays out. As a player since vanilla, my favorite time in the game was when I was playing with friends and wasn't able to burn through everything.

[@mendicant1981]

Glad your making this type of content. Hopefully someone from blizz is watching and they make the game more new player friendly