NEW BMW R 1300 GS vs KTM 1290 SAS, Triumph Tiger 1200 and Ducati Multistrada V4

[@benkelly2190]

Bikes are like beer, women and food! Very personal. Get the one you like! And be happy with it. Great review and, very well done.

[@SCFoster]

Only brand I haven't owned is the Triumph. Had a deposit down on the R1300GS but decided on a KTM 1290SAS as I was able to get 20% off the price and accessories. Ended up with a bike that is the most fun to ride for a lot less than the cost of the BMW. The ergonomics can be changed and are typically done so for any bike I purchase. All of the seats suck, wind screens need to be replaced, handlebar risers are needed and foot pegs lowered. The addition of highway pegs also greatly helps for long distance touring. Have had a lot of BMWs over the decades and may end up with one in the future.. You really can't go wrong with any of theses bikes, as long as it matches your needs.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I like that you shared the customization part. I think that this part may often be skipped since we never know what the best possible result may be. And also, I totally agree that the windscreens pretty much always need to go for something better and the seats can be improved too but I cannot comprehend why those huge companies cannot do the job well in the first place. And even it they all somehow weren't simply able to, they could outsource such projects and have it done the way for example GIVI (windscreens) does for those same motorcycles later on.

[@SCFoster]

@@VToldsMotoShow Now that you mention it, many eons ago I used to ride for BMW providing live TV coverage for bicycle and foot races (like the Tour de France). Spent countless hours in the saddle and asked the BMW engineers about it. It comes down to cost and complexity to make a seat that is actually comfortable for long periods. The shape has to be somewhat concave versus convex. Convex seat covers are easy to stretch, glue and staple, lasting a long time. But, they suck. Concave seats require stitching in the middle to hold down the cover, which is very expensive and prone to failure. Also collects water due to the stitches, meaning you have to use upgraded foam. The manufacturers are missing out by not offering custom seats that are made to order. Once a rider has gotten one, they should be able to make the custom seat for the next model bike they buy. Just computer model data. I do really appreciate your videos.

[@ashtonmarrero7932]

i needed this advise, due to being on Hayabusa and Zx14r for 25 years, transitioning into this AS/AR

[@davidkendall1614]

And the elephant in the room is “Why KTM has to discount 20%?”…

[@SCFoster]

@@davidkendall1614 What elephant is that? The dealers for KTMs are reasonable? Bought my first BMW back in 1990. Have had at least 15 BMWs over the decades, so not sure what point you're trying to make. Confirmation bias perhaps?

[@klausmeier2214]

Good comparison! I would totally agree. Conclusion: My R1250GSA will stay with me. I really like the raw design and that it is a multitool for all purposes. Like Microsoft Windows in the past, sometimes you‘ll have to skip a version.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I love the Microsoft Windows part - that's really good one. Cheers!

[@hazarddavid6987]

Similarly...my 1250 GS will stay with me...until BMW sorts out the looks. The headlight is what-in-the-world-were-thinking kind of bad... I ll skip this 1300GS version... Thanks for being objective VTold...

[@lucdruwe2266]

I drive a BMW R1250GSA an i'm very fond of it. Main reason why I chose it ... I wanted to have one with a driveshaft and as I hate to drive from petrol station to petrol station I wanted to have a bigger tank. Beside that ... the comfortable seat, the great looks, the torque, the brakes and the fact that the bike doesn't feel as heavy as he looks like made me chose for this GSA.

[@lucdruwe2266]

I forgot ... as usual very entertaining vido :)

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Thanks! I'm glad you like the video :). I get these reasons for choosing the Adventure version and I'm really curious what BMW will come up with as an Adventure for the R 1300 GS. I think that after all this initial design and style mixup, it will be super important to also address the expectations of those riders who prefer larger motorcycles like the previous R 1250 GS and also the fans of an R 1XXX GS Adventure.

[@danghita4386]

As an ex owner of a Triumph Explorer 1200, BMW R1200GSA and KTM 1290SAS, I can confirm your judgement is spot on! I would however consider more the RT than the GS if the off road is not in my intentions.. And if would be, then these bikes are none among the greatest of the both worlds, where the mid-size adventures are covering better the off-road while still being fun and powerful. So I'm so excited of a similar comparison on the mid-size adv bikes, if you will, sir! 🙂

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Good point about the middleweight adventure motorcycles scoring better in any sort of non-pavement situations. And sure, I'll get to the midsize adventure bikes comparison in 2024. Thanks for the input! :)

[@ronaldbrenner6821]

Thanks so much for a wonderful review .I particularly like your objective subjectivity and transparency . Agreed that ultimately it is what it feels .The numbers have a funny way to not tell the whole story . I own a 1250 gs ....so one more reason to love the review. Looking forward to test the 1300 but having followed your channel I have confidence that I will come to the same conclusions. Happy Holidays!

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Thanks for mentioning that and I'm glad you found the video interesting. It really can be a whole different story when we actually experience something ourselves rather than assume based on data. Happy holidays!

[@baykam8392]

It seems GS 1250 does not intend to leave the throne

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Definitely not without the fight!

[@TwoGoTouring]

A great channel Vtold but watching all your videos there’s a lot of city, urban and motorway riding. I’d love hear your views after maybe touring for a couple of days on some proper twisties mountain roads. Fair play, you did say at the start this is your personal choice based on what you prefer and I’m just a little taller than you at 6’3. I have a GSA and an XR and am considering converting them to a Multistrada V4 Rally and have one bike, although the Triumph GT Pro is a contender. Some of us out here would like to hear what the bikes are like riding 2up, and also to hear what the pillion thinks. So there’s an idea.

[@johnstraw5390]

Yeah there are virtually no reviews riding two up with luggage. For some of us, learning how great the bike is solo and no luggage is virtually irrelevant.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Thanks for mentioning that. I personally very rarely ride with a passenger because of safety reasons mostly. Also, as years have passed, I prefer to take a car for long trips with a lot of luggage but I of course see your point. In fact, what I could do is to sit on the passenger seat... which I actually do just for fun sometimes. The only thing to assess is the seat and foot pegs comfort and suspension comfort while the seat may be modified and I do assess the suspension when riding. I wonder what compromise there could be but I'm not finding any at the moment. That's a tough one, I can give you that!

[@juanignaciocirera]

Thanks for give your honest opinion, BMW 1250 is out of date is good for the owners but don’t seams the best option get a second hand instead get the new one. About the criteria driving in the city, sounds weird that GS1250 is moving easier between cars than GS1300, as the new one seams more compact and easier turn or transmit a new direction. Also which engine is the most smoothly ?? That aspect make drive more relax

[@dragandimovski4935]

I like your way of testing and comparing, looking forward on every video you post..great channel!

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Thanks a lot and I'm glad that it suits you. That's the reason for the channel to exist. All the best!

[@steveswain4646]

Hi, I road the gsa1250 and the new 1300 for three hours yesterday and purchased the 1250 it felt a better all rounder and better value for the money. Keep up the good work.

[@NCSDFL]

I really appreciate your efforts. Your review is way different that many others. Doesn't mean you're wrong. You comments and grading criteria aren't consistent with other reviewers that really put these bikes though the paces (videos and on-the-spot discussions) . You may want to reconsider your video titles so that the viewer understands that you're focused on city/freeway riding. At least what I'm seeing here. I'm 6'4" 260lbs and ridden all of these bikes. Maybe a disclaimer of your body measurements and amount of time you spent on a real adventure that lasted days/weeks. That makes a difference for those that want the entire package (off road, pavement, and load carrying capability).

[@corujariousa]

Thanks for the video! When spending that kind of money, on what is basically an adult toy, I personally put a high consideration on reliability history. Not all mentioned brands here do well on that aspect. Being this the first year of the new R1300GS, it might be worth waiting for the second or third generation. All the best to you! Note: For the windscreen, I'd prefer a one-hand manual adjustment instead of the automated. Yes, the later is convenient but another potential expensive failure point added to the bike.

[@ericaworthington2675]

Nice review! Only thing missing is passenger review, which includes comfort and carrying capacity. (r1300gs is rated to carry 227kg, while the multi can only carry 210kg). Very important for those of us larger people and our spouses that a bike can safely carry us and our gear on a trip.

[@ru54623]

I would like to see all the seating positions overlaid - especially the knee angle

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Good idea - thanks for mentioning it. Also a side-by-side picture could work when there are more motorcycles than for example two like in my usual comparisons so far.

[@atifmahmood241]

A simple story of a guy been riding motorcycles for 42 years now. Glad that physically still handle bikes at 53 years of age. I appreciate your reviews. I am 5"4 inch with 28 inch inseam. I have wasted tonnes of money on suzuki vstroms, kawasaki versysis all 1000 configuration. It is a shame for me that I;m not 6 foot tall, what do you have for us handicapped losers to be able to enjoy the good outdoors. I don't need your input as to performance and handling, I know the low end torq that im addicted to. Anyway, keep making money, I guess that is your end goal. Real motorcycles like the 1978 Goldwing that I grew up with had a seat height of 30.5 inches. There's a lot of craving to see motorcycles that are good for short riders, and we at this late age have the money to pay for it. Unlike social media slave youth who have no real money. I hope you understand. 6 foot talll good for you!

[@dwwphoto]

Very well done video ranking these top five bikes. It became apparent midway through that the R1250 GS was standing out. I have a 2021 R1250 GS Adventure. It is the most magnificent bike ever made. I don’t mind how it sounds, I like it. All of the characteristics of the bike in the various areas that you divided up in this video are top rated. If I had a complaint about my GSA, it would be vibration at speeds around 75 through the bars into my hands. But that really isn’t significant either. It’s just so confidence inspiring on the road, in the twisties, and in the dirt, it’s pretty special. Decades ago I used to race motocross and when I was doing well, I was riding Honda Elsinores that were 210 to 220 pound bikes. Fast and quick. Back then the BMW GS was introduced and I thought it was funny that they could even build a bike that big and heavy and claim it can go off road well. Well, it goes off road very well. It’s cush. It’s solid, stable, and just an all-around pleasure wherever you ride it. And the reliability factor is extremely high and so it gives you a sense of real confidence that it’s gonna take you a long way trouble free and comfortably. I do agree that an electrically activated windshield is a dream feature and I love it on my BMW K 1200 LT. I wish it was on my 2021 GSA. I highly recommend this bike.

[@KJ_S1K]

Test rode the SAS and wasn’t impressed. I’d pick the triumph over it. I was so impressed with the 1300GS over everything that i brought home a spec’d out trophy. Such an incredible machine.

[@valefur72]

I love my KTM 1290SAS, but I live in the Dolomites so I use to drive on mountain roads. In this environment it's extremely fun to drive and I forget the little issues... Change the Mitas Terraforce R with better tires and the bike becomes better in all driving aspects.

[@eriklindhardsenact7596]

I think you got it wrong with the ktm 1290 sas for handling and wind shield was unfair with a small wind shield not the stock version for the s. Plus you rate ktm last place below multistrada v4s which was voted not as good as the ktm 1290 sas on your previous videos, so I'm a little confused 😂

[@sobedaytona]

Hi! As always great video. I enjoy your content very much. Just a question: what about the quickshifter of the 1300GS? Is it better than the horribly clunky one from the 1250GS?

[@Raf13Raf11]

In my opinion there is GS as category for himself and there is other brands. Bmw maybe is not the best in all categories but it's category of it's own, only boxer, only paralever and 40y of experience in adventure market. There is a lot of good bikes in same category but they can compete together but without Bmw. They are not on same level and number of sold units tell you everything. GS is for motorcycle same what is Porsche 911 for sports cars...

[@miglioverde303]

💯👍👍👍

[@wojciechsochon382]

Ponieważ mają najlepszy marketing w porównaniu do innych marek motocykli co nie znaczy, że jest to najlepszy motocykl. W którymś z filmów Witolda testujacego ktm super adventure 1290 s jeden z komentujących napisał, że miał 7 gs 1250 i przejechał się ktm super adventure 1290 s i nie wróci do gs. Żałuję, że wcześniej nie spróbował jazdy tym ktm.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

For sure it has earned its legacy like no other motorcycle in the segment and used to be getting so much better with every generation that GS riders would instantly start putting money aside for the new one. It's a really good analogy to Porsche 911.

[@pierre-yvesfrancois5028]

Hi. For the final ranking I remain a bit 😉 suspicious on why still placing the two GS ahead ? For those like me who don’t not want a Scooter in city, not feeling good on para and telelever and hating having the flat twins hitting my legs. The GSs does not put a smile on my face. Never. The 3 others are great great bikes. I put them on deuce at first place. And with a simple calculation , Tiger might be the best cos she does everything well, even braking 😊Ride safe.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

The main reason for placing the BMW in the first places is that in my opinion they score the highest in two summary categories, so city riding and touring. But hey - again, at the end of the day it's a matter of preference in so many aspects :). But no, these two are the ones that I wouldn't feel worried to recommend to anyone... with good hearing ;)

[@hazarddavid6987]

​@@tatagibaNever realized that motorcycle manufacturers are producing bikes for professional riders and not amateur riders...😂😂😂

[@tigerking2179]

Funny, I have that yellow Hummer model that you have in the background in some shots. I like the video, great comparisons.

[@specialandroid1603]

Different bikes, different capabilities. Nice review. For comfort the GS is the one id pick. For grunt the Triumph. Id pick the Ducati for a more sporty feel.

[@robertobruselas3952]

Great review. Objective and transparent. Greetings from Europe BE

[@davidpearce859]

An excellent report but while so many aspects are subjective and not measurable, it is interesting that the “old” R1250GS still rates so highly. In Australia where daily temps often exceed 30c, riding comfort is often determined by engine heat to the legs (or lack of it) and in this regard the KTM or either BMW fairs better. Riding the Triumph and Ducati in temps of 30+ makes you want to take the car!

[@TacticalHamsterDance]

Thank you for the review! I will probably be choosing one of them as my next bike - except for the Tiger which I ruled out because it's too small. I'm 194 cm tall and it's really bad. The vibrations are really bad too, it's a bit sad that otherwise a good bike gets taken down by few bad qualities. Then again, the suspension doesn't seem to be up to GS or Multi either, as it struggles to keep traction on bad roads so I wouldn't probably go for it anyway. I will need to take the new GS and Multi on my testing "circuit" though, I rode the Multi in Spain and was excited but I don't know the roads there, while I for example found a road close to my city that allows safe riding at legal speeds while being as bumpy as a dirt road which is a perfect test for suspension. I'm really curious how will they fare, while you did test many categories, as you said, one's own experience is indispensable too. Thank you once more!

[@ΠαναγιωτηςΚιντης-τ7θ]

Great video for my driving style 1 Ktm 2 bmw 3 Ducati 4 triumph I am more a performance driver and not a long travel man if I was triumph will be first

[@TwoGoTouring]

Good review VTold. At 6’3’ if your cramped on the GS1300 where would that leave me 😳 I have a GSA which is ready to change so I’m either going Triumph because of the shaft drive or wait on the new GSA. BMW would need to start leaking little previews of what we should expect with the new GSA otherwise through the year there will be defections to other brands, and the likes of Triumph only have to put a 19 inch front wheel on their Rally Explorer and they could have a real winner.

[@austinmatthews347]

I own a 22 my gsa rallye i tried the 1300 but i am releived to say my 1250 is still good enough to stop me needing the 1300

[@phelansa23]

First off, to pick the KTM as best looking? Ummm… No. just, No! The reason I will never buy a KTM, is that some stage I am going to have to get off the bike, look at it, and admit to myself that I bought that hideous thing. Fortunately, motorcycles are all about passion. Nothing at all to do with sense. Buy the one that stirs your heart. Thank you for the review, was very interesting.

[@TheMightyMagno]

I’d say the exact same thing, only to the gs 1300

[@harryzma]

smart video! thank you for your efforts

[@esjihn]

awesome substantive review!!!

[@chrissunde1104]

Excellent work! Thank you.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

My pleasure!

[@krzysiek.80]

Kupiłem 2 miesiące temu nowe moto z tych które testowałeś poza R1300GS i mój wybór padł na Tiger 1200 Rally Pro. Wydawał mi się bardzo wypośrodkowany i zrobił mega wrażenie. Generalnie mam podobne spostrzeżenia. Dzięki za podsumowanie 👍

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Zgodziłbym się, że Tiger 1200 jest bardzo pomiędzy w dobrym znaczeniu. W moim przypadku to dotyczy wersji GT, ale być może gdybym miał 10 cm więcej wzrostu i ze 20 kg więcej, to i Rally byłby tego bliższy. Zawieszeniowo jednak te Triumphy są jak dla mnie niedoścignione. Oby Twoja nowa maszyna spisywała się jak najlepiej!

[@krzysiek.80]

@@VToldsMotoShow dzięki. Tak w dobrym słowa znaczeniu jest wypośrodkowany. Ja mam 190cm to fajne w Tiger Rally Pro jest to że jednak mam dużo miejsca dla siebie. Jest to jeden z wyższych i obszerniejszych motocykli adventure. A swoją drogą może nawet będziemy się gdzieś mijać w okolicy bo widzę na wielu filmach moje domowe drogi Mysiadła. 😀 Pozdrawiam

[@brucekendall52]

Thank you.Wishing you a Happy Xmas.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Thanks and have a happy Christmas too!

[@ulaskvlcm]

KTM has an adjustable suspensions that can raise and lower.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I believe you're referring to the adjustable preload in the rear. Not the same thing if you ask me, when you've got to go to the specific setting and make the bike play with the spring. Also, this way pretty much all motorcycles would have to be considered as having height-adjustable suspension.

[@jonasbaine3538]

I’m considering just getting an s1000xr and hire a welder to put custom skid plate on it for the random fire road light off-roading. These bikes are so heavy it really isn’t very practical to do hardcore enduro off-roading. That would give me the fastest on road adventure performance while still having some off-road ability.

[@Beinhartwie1chopper]

❤ Good review

[@malcolmabram2957]

I ride a BMWR1250R (not too far of the GS. I test rode a tiger 1200, but one thing that needs to be appreciated is manoeuvring at low speed, on junctions and roundabouts. I felt sooner or later I would have dropped the tiger.

[@aldra744]

Wauu amazing overview of the kings of ADV bikes 👏🏼

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I’m glad you like it and right, these are likely the best of the best. Cheers!

[@shegocrazy]

41:00 - X factor. I'm surprised you had Multistrada so low. It would be nbr 1 for me with the bumblebee coloured 1250 in 2nd.

[@johnnyboy1586]

Great alround commentary, you have interesting accent,where abouts you come from?poland?

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Thanks and yes, Poland it is.

[@brucebrown6597]

Totally agree…. Love my 1250GS!

[@Jjengering]

I do have a little criticism with the comparison for the Ducati you were riding the V4S which is the more road biased version of the Multistrada. You mentioned the enduro/rally and showed photos of it... There are significant differences in the suspension, comfort, handling and power delivery of the two models and so i do think its a little unfair to compare this version with the GSA which has the 19" front wheel... The best and most fair comparison would be the enduro/rally, not the S. Overall your review is very comprehensive though and I liked it.

[@steve-wu7jp]

Awesome job dude

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Thanks!

[@stevek4449]

Bikes women and weapons are alike in that when you find the one you want, you find yourself in a commitment to buying accessories for the one in question.😂

[@carloslarcon]

For one thing is finance and resale value but also maintenance, parts cost, warranty and service.

[@Beinhartwie1chopper]

BMW DUCATI = PREMIUM KTM = BUDGET CHEAPER POWER ( at the expence of Qualität)

[@Deadmouse83]

Testowałem R1300GS i Tigera 1200 Rally Explorer jednego dnia, jeden po drugim i jak dla mnie to BMW jeździ gładko, choć brzmi jakby gwoździe w cylindrach latały ale przy Tigerze to było to wyjątkowo przyjemne przeżycie. Tiger powyżej 110km/h wibrował niemiłosiernie, zapewne efekt robienia z 3cylindrowca charakterystyki 2 cylindrowej jednostki, prowadził się przy tym tak sobie, może to kwestia 21 calowego przedniego kola. Natomiast całkowitym nieporozumieniem jest to, że żeby obniżyć zawieszenie w Tigerze przy zatrzymywaniu się trzeba wciskać KAŻDORAZOWO przycisk "home" a dla niskiej osoby jest to dość istotne. Fajny materiał, będę do Ciebie z chęcią zaglądał, LWG!

[@shegocrazy]

38:25. Pricing for the Ducati is outrageous in Australia. 25% more than the Tiger. The Triumph is a bargain in comparison....but even that is expensive.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

It’s a lot of money for these indeed but Triumph is of really good value I believe.

[@letsgo3439]

Pucking well made good score... 1250gs... Thanks for your video.

[@peterssemaganda3526]

Wowowowo thank you for the review always the king of the road will always be the best The R1250 GS

[@robb8773]

I completely agree with your overall ranking. I have a R1250GS and rode the Rr1300GS a couple of times, its crap!

[@DugiSelmanaj]

If not Ducati than just take a car! Old dudes drive BMW! This is it!

[@vinceskalicky8313]

I chose the 1300gs. Only really considered the Tiger 1200, because I went from an 800 tiger. KTM I don’t like for some reason I can’t explain. Ducati, just not a fan.

[@ru54623]

I did not like my R1250GS brakes - they felt wooden - maybe it was just my bike...

[@john7912h]

Ktm Bought a 1290 sas 2023 , never going to buy KTM ever again, abs pump issue causing panic brake randomly, started to have coolant lost 250ml in 4 days and counting , paint peeling everywhere on the clutch bracket and reservoir , battery drain issue , between 50-80km the steering will wobble uncontrollably , if you let go and will also go right instead of straight. There was also a chemical / electrical smell when starting in the garage KTM dealer said everything was "normal" . F them , i traded it and never looking back , lost thousands but that was better then keeping it. Dangerous bike. Believe everything you see in forums about KTM , it’s not exaggerated. Extremely unreliable!

[@VToldsMotoShow]

This is scary and really disappointing to read. I wish they put more effort into the quality of these bikes. I love them so much but random panic braking… this is going to stay in my head.

[@hazzelanmohdsaid8840]

I have just got myself R1250GS, don't want to spend much more for R1300GS. Why BMW? Brand that offer all-rounder performance, comfort and control.

[@praisedamson7473]

What a review. Great job Honestly I die inside admiring all riders having these bikes especially the adventure bikes. I can not afford a single one but just believe that maybe God will grant me one some day. Am from malawi(Africa) What I normally do is just to get into a certain store that they sell these bikes and I sit by only to gaze at them from a distance 😞😞 I hope you all enjoy you riders of these masterpieces ❤😊

[@oseaghin]

Very helpful review, vielen Dank! Funny observation: KTM configurator is not available unless you create an account, so... they won't get my business.

[@mals77]

Its so damn hard, Currently in UK have a 1250GS I ride all year (no car). 2 years now and looking to trade in options are Tiger 1200 GT or the BMW1300.

[@zvezdanbozinovic6334]

If you would need Merc GLS on two wheels, best choice would be GS. But, if you are fond of motorcycling, Multi has no rivals. The best chances to compete has KTM but is lacking refinement.

[@sv443]

high speed handling on BMW... the only bike I've been on that can't keep a curve when hitting it hard. in my point of view it's the worst I've encountered on a motorcycle. Also... great wind protection on the GS 1300? dude... I've ridden that thing, I had more wind protection on a fishing boat

[@Groszek92]

I am owner of tiger 1200 gt explorer and i maks 15 k km in this season on him. what could be better: the brakes could be more dosable, but they themselves stop the motorcycle very efficiently. I have heard opinions that it is done in such a way that they are better dosed in the field and this is partly true from my observations. The display has weak animations and stutters, but you get used to it wind protection is ok as long as we install a small deflector At first I complained about vibrations. I installed heavier handlebar weights, puppy grips and shoe inserts and there are no disturbing vibrations. what's great: The engine is a pleasure generator the sound of the accessory exhaust under load is great suspension comfort for the driver and passenger goes like a sport it is huge, but at the same time it is not heavy and easy to manipulate I can list the advantages for a long time, generally I recommend this bike

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Nicely put and it seems in line with my experiences with the Tiger. It always makes me glad to see some individual improvements to motorcycles so that they suit our preferences even more, so it's great that you've done that to your bike too. All the best!

[@toomass2668]

Triumph said that for the new 2024 models they fixed the vibration issues. I wonder what year Tiger you own?

[@crk58241]

Of course the KTM wins. The BMW is becoming outclassed. Many people are saying BMWs are for those that have checked out of biking, it's the senior citizen bike. The price is outrageous. 24,000 without side bags. The KTM LC8 engine is considered one of the greatest engines ever put into a motorcycle frame. I own a KTM 1290 Super Adventure S, 2022 and it's been extremely reliable!

[@estebainfernandez7503]

This message is definitely false… Please never buy a KTM . Checkout their reliability any videos of long term reviews.

[@john7912h]

Ktm is complete trash see my other comment !!!

[@williamdouglas8040]

The boxster engine sound consists of 2 main frequencies, with one four times the other. So basically the same sound as a 180 degree parallel twin. What this does is it generates the same note twice - with one note two octaves above the other. Try playing a piano while pressing C and the C two octaves up. It just does not sound good and there is no way around it. Change the exhaust all you like and it will not get any better. Mixing different notes just sounds better to the human ear.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

If there's any sort of rational explanation to the reluctance towards the boxer engine sound, then I feel relieved.

[@maner088]

Excellent comparo 🎉

[@BULLMERICAN]

1250 gs is the KING i did some upgrades on my engine and suspension and will take long time before the rest catch up. 1300 gs ll be first to catch up but is new bike and BMW will need some modifications before become a leader. And F light come on lol.

[@Ali.g.97]

Why didn't you play a clip of the bikes exhaust sounds?

[@u2walalang]

Ktm super adventure number one under the sun the real first 1300cc adventure bike

[@chrisschopenhauer6261]

great bike, the exhaust sound could be better its a bit too conservative.

[@abc123705]

xr1000 ? its mainly the ducati rival

[@Ali.g.97]

BMW headlights look like they vandalized it with a phallus lmfao

[@viclazo2839]

Only your own opinion my friend and your choice. p.s. If somebody owns a 1250GS and explains vs. 4 much better and more modern bikes that 1250GS is still the best, that could be everything but definitly not serious.

[@Kuba_MotoPodlasie]

Na serio w twoim rankingu Ducati V4S tak nisko ?? Az mnie zaskoczyle bo wlasnie sprzedalem tiger 800 i mysle nad GS 1250 lub V4S (lub rally) ....

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Najlepiej patrzeć na konkretne kategorie w porównaniu - tzn. jaki obszar jest porównywany.

[@Kuba_MotoPodlasie]

@@VToldsMotoShow No wlasnie zalamany jestem bo we wszystkich kategoriach dale Ducati daleko :D

[@Kuba_MotoPodlasie]

@@VToldsMotoShow no wlasnie jestem w trakcie wyboru gs1300 vs multistrada v4 rally

[@stevejones3180]

Where is the Pan America? More fun than all of them.

[@pindadocc]

my choise:bmw r1200gs adventure rallye 2018...

[@javier6d2]

I own a 1250GS. Tested the 1300 and didn't like the ergonomics. It felt cramped. I guess that sport suspension option and a taller seat would fix it, but it's a lot of money so I'll keep the 1250. We'll see in the future what the market offers. The KTM is fugly, the Triumph boring and the Ducati too expensive and unrefined.

[@krzysiuuuuuuuuuu]

For me KTM is totally disqualified for vibrations

[@volodymyrholubets1872]

I was wondering about engine vibes between R1300GS and 1290 SAS. I had a chance to ride BMW and the engine felt nice to me. I saw some reviews of a 1290 SAS saying after 5k RPM it becomes very viby in the mirrors and the seat. If you have the opportunity to compare those 2 I would appreciate your opinion.

[@Art-kz6zf]

I think you are way too nice to the top heavy giant vibrators: Triumph could easily be the top dog if they would just scrap their absolutely horrible t-plane crankshafts, but as it stands, i think even qualifying them in this comparison makes me cringe a bit 🥴😂 It's true they have amazing ergonomics and tech and i absolutely love the brand, but the engine vibrations.. No. 😄 And above V4S? Sacrilege! 🔥😄 Anyways, thank you for the videos and i wish you an amazing new year! 🙂✨

[@Art-kz6zf]

...and before someone mentions that newer Tigers have thicker seats and rubber dampings in their handlebars to reduce the vibrations: Yes. And it helps, definitely hands wont go numb anymore while driving higher speeds, but then you have the problem of feeling like you are driving on some weird air mattress; feeling for the road beneath the wheels is just vague and mushy. But yes, it's better than it used to be, but still.. mhm..

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Hey, as for the handlebar dampeners and new seats, doesn’t this apply only to the updated Tiger 900 series for 2024? ;) So about the vibration, after riding Kawasaki Versys 1000, I wouldn’t complain about Triumphs. Actually, this can serve as a treatment perhaps :). Thanks for mentioning the topic and happy new year to you too!

[@Art-kz6zf]

Yeah, new 900 has those and there were rubber dampeners in the '23 Explorer models as well. I've only driven once with the '23 Versys 1000 (besides owning a Ninja 1000 with the same engine for few years) and didn't notice vibrations with that one. I need to check if you have made a video of it, sounds funny 😄

[@gal6911]

thank you........ what about versys 1000 ?

[@edombre4637]

And what about super-tenere, and stelvio?

[@martinbateman6282]

I get the feeling that a gs1200 would score better than the KTM, Ducati, the new 1300 and the Triumph here. I own the 1250 and would agree with most of your views except the looks, the KTM is an ugly spud.

[@wojciechsochon382]

Rzecz gustu a o gustach się nie rozmawia.

[@martinbateman6282]

Nie ma sensu mieć własnego zdania, jeśli się o tym nie mówi

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Yeah, I'm aware that some don't like the looks of the KTM. Just as all others. I've been through that when riding a good, old Suzuki V-Strom 1000 that I could understand why some would consider ugly but I really loved its general style so much. Cheers!

[@cliftonsr]

If you had to put the new 1290 Super Adventure R in the mix where would you put it in the low speed handling?

[@wojciechsochon382]

Cześć! W zestawieniu duzych adwenczerów zabraklo pan american 1250 suoer silnik.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Cześć, tutaj mamy wszystkie-wszystkie maszyny: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJixdZmNhdOJrac

[@injector90]

Im kinda irritated, cause disagree in many points. There are not much reviews i disagree in so many things: - Engine&Performance: Multistrada same level als 1250GS & 1300GS srsly? Multi has one of the most sporty engines put into a traveller-bike. Its engine is awarded many times and won 2 times the alpen-masters title (against KTM and the 1250GS btw.); its more comparable to the KTM than to the GS's... - Brakes: Again Multistrada has top notch brake-systems. It has the biggest ones (330mm). The GS only has 305mm. Based on facts, makes no sense to put the Multi on 4th place here - Design: Ok thats indeed a subjective thing, but come on... KTM on 1. place, not really. Precisely BECAUSE its subjective you have to listen to the mass out there and the ktm is by far the ugliest rated one of all - Drivetrain: If you ask me, a review should point out objective facts and your own preferences after. Putting the drive shaft on 1. place and chain on 2. is objectivly spoken big bs... Thats a personel preference of yours and nothing based on facts. The chain is by far the superior drive-system! Less power losses, less complicated to maintain, cheapter, more durable on all conditions... - X-factor: ok very subjective again, so i wont criticize that, but your opinions differ again a lot with the big mass out there. KTM and Multistrada are seen as the most fun and most emotional bikes to drive. Driving GS is like sitting in the back of an s-class and beeing chauffeured. Nothing special.

[@agelessthrottle6132]

I totaly agree with you and i have and still ride 12 years bmw gsa. I dont see any comments on your comment. Thats says enough… multi is the best only the price is a problem for the most..

[@Sergiofsm]

I agree 100%!!!

[@ItsAllJustBollox]

Quite funny you complain about the Ducati going through the gears quickly maybe because it's picking up speed far quicker than the other bikes. 😂

[@VToldsMotoShow]

This is part of the “problem” - and I’m not kidding. Of course it’s not a problem that it’s quick but KTM is there too and its gearing feels perfect to me.

[@ItsAllJustBollox]

@@VToldsMotoShow the KTM is not as quick Bike World drag raced the big adventure bikes and the Multi left them all sitting including the KTM maybe the gearing is one of the reasons why.

[@margolish8220]

Very subjective ranking, would rate very different many aspects.

[@prosperpersonelle]

BMW gs all the way

[@Aigoraccio]

Il mercato dice una cosa diversa… sommando le vendite di KTM + Ducati + Triumph non bastano ad eguagliare i numeri di BMW. Un test così serve solo per le visualizzazioni del canale e generare stupide discussioni sul nulla assoluto.

[@SamiSchuster-g1h]

Of curse, KTM the beauty...🤣🤣🤣 Your taste is terrific 👋👋👋🤡

[@gogossak8198]

Man you really don’t know what you are talking about!! My KTM 1290 has TONS of Heat issues! At summer it is almost unbearable!! And my friends GS1250 suspension is much more comfortable, buttery and smooth….

[@nosesitusabeok]

My KTM 2023 barely feels the heat and I live in Seville/Spain where in summer it is 45° Celsius... but it is well known that the model after 2021 does give off a lot of heat.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Yeah, I know nothing about your KTM 1290. I've only ridden two other 1290s - a '22 R and a '22 S. I also haven't ridden your friend's GS1250. Or maybe you're just talking about an 890 Adventure series which indeed in almost identical riding conditions would get hot like crazy.

[@gogossak8198]

@@VToldsMotoShowI don’t know where you rode them but my 1290 in Athens is running extremely hot especially in city traffic until late November…

[@wojciechsochon382]

O którym roczniku ktm super adventure 1290 s mówisz. Przed 21 rokiem czy po 2021 bo po 2021roku poprawili to i wyeliminowali.

[@aldra744]

KTMs are hot as they are orange;)

[@predragkardashian3730]

Ok so conclusion is: buy Africa twin adventure 😁

[@bayuaditya8609]

KTM all the way.

[@joaquinbaturone8588]

I can't believe you did it again..! After the comparison without the GS 1300, now you still didn't talk about one of the most if not THE most important chapter, the off-road / light enduro capabilities of those ADVENTURE bikes man.., because that is THE point why you would by one of those instead of the more affordables sport- touring machines. Absolutely disappointed , almost 50 minutes waiting for nothing really interesting. Sorry but I will unsubscribe.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Here's the channel that will cover that for you: www.youtube.com/@MattSpears/videos The capabilities of these motorcycles offroad are pretty much just the same - "don't take me there or I will hurt you and your wallet". What may matter is ground clearance that I've included only to give some indication but in fact what's more important there is low speed handling and the feeling of weight. If you look at these categories, you'll likely have the second best answer possible. But no, I won't be taking any of such motorcycles off the road at any point, even if they were my own motorcycles and on knobby tires.

[@wojtek0128]

Vitek, jeździsz za szybko

[@disekjoumoer]

Meh, too big, too expensive, too much tech. May as well buy a car. Riding like you do will lose you your licence in almost all other European countries pretty fast.

[@gawiesimpson2361]

The 1250 GS is now off rhe market. So your review is useless 😮

[@Fernando90054]

Hi V-told! I understand your conservatism. But the only thing that in your rank I can see is that you don’t approve in general the change that has been made to the GS 1250, penalizing the GS 1300. It’s a hard conclusion to the ones that have made part in the revolutionary transition between the two bikes of the same model and brand. This is the expected reaction when a manufacturer decides to alter something that was already very good. I can’t agree with you but has I said , I can understand your point of view. The classification here would be more assertive if you didn’t include in comparison two bikes of the same brand and model, the replaced bike and the present iteration of that bike. I see the point but the practical range of an assertion like that, is to say that overall the new bike is not a step up and generally not a better bike than its predecessor. Future will tell, but for me that penalizing idea is not what I think about the new BMW 1300 GS. As always, my respect for your views remains high, but unfortunately I can’t join my opinion to yours in this case.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Hi, thanks for digging deeper into it. I believe it's a matter of my taste mostly - and preference when it comes to large adventure motorcycles. I suspect that the 1300 simply reminds me of the middleweight adventure bikes and hence I perceive it as a less "serious" one now. I don't own a 1250 but maybe my expectations went so high after 10 years from the launch of the R 1200 GS that now my brain just couldn't switch back. I really don't know but analysing it category after category, it feels to me just the way I presented in the video. I'm very interested in seeing the Adventure version if it comes and maybe this will be the diamond that I expected BMW to launch. All the best and let's stay tuned watching how other brands will respond to this new R 1300 GS!