New Box Filter Design Vs. Ammonia

[@na1du]

I would love to see a nitrate series !! Maybe slow-moving plenum vs deep sand bed? Ammonia is easy to get rid of lol.

[@FishmanEricRussell]

There is lots of interest involving the nitrogen cycle. It's going to take some time to work through it all. Thanks for coming by!

[@guppiesstories5942]

Anoxic filteration to bring nitrates to near zero www.mankysanke.co.uk/html/anoxic_filtration.html

[@na1du]

@@guppiesstories5942 have you tried it?

[@guppiesstories5942]

@@na1du yes and probably 400 guppies kzbin.info/www/bejne/sISTn4GJeaaspbc And this is long term not a flash in the pan thing. Anoxic fliteration

[@sisterlockmo]

This is the coolest design for a air power box filter. I would love to own this.

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Thanks so mcu!

[@thehairywoodsman5644]

these ammonia test vids , have become my favorite !

[@FishmanEricRussell]

So glad you like them! With all of the feedback I'm getting from comments there will be more to come

[@RoscoeMFaisonJr]

I most enjoy projects from start to finish. It gives more understanding into the full aspect to your work.

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Thanks for letting me know and of course for watching!

[@racerofrc]

Great reminder of my first aquarium. It was a 20 high with a box filter... It was in the mid 70's

[@FishmanEricRussell]

I think mine was about 5 years before yours then. Thanks so much for coming by!

[@joemunoz1251]

Very nice my friend. I unfortunately lost most of my fish. Around 2000 of them . I had no electricity for 2 days and it was freezing cold here . Always a pleasure to hear from you my friend.

[@joemunoz1251]

Looking forward to the new content.

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Noooooooooo!!!!!!!! So sorry to hear that Joe! We had an ice storm up here back in the nineties and I remember just how dependent we are on electricity. Hang in there! Hopefully better days are ahead for all of us

[@davidcooper9432]

That is one neat looking filter! Love the experiments... keep up the good work.

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Thanks so much David!

[@scotth9881]

The new box filter looks great. It should work well and give you lots of options for media. It's also interesting to see how all the testing is working out. We'll get to see what actually works and what may not work as well as we thought it did.

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Thanks so much Scott! I'm glad you like it!

[@i8dpie]

That's a beautiful filter, well done.

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Thanks so much!

[@kenfluhr2456]

Nice thought out upgrade, I like it, you should start selling them. To answer your question, YES you should show SOME part of the build because that is why I personally started watching you videos. I am sure that I am not alone, the first 3 mins of the video is nothing but starring at the filter but if you showed some part of the build even the "boring" drilling part is better then nothing. Thanks for what you do, keep up the good work

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Thanks for letting me know. I would have shown the build here but had to get it in the tank as fast as possible to have some results.

[@richardwaldhouse8067]

Cool looking filter, curious to see results of test!!

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Glad you like it Richard!

[@marypaigeflynn4512]

This is really interesting and I remember the days being taught to use carbon and being told exactly what you just said! This is really interesting since I was taught that exact thing ..so having that drilled into my head since I was a kid, I would like to say that it will work..🤔😅 It's only been over the past year that I have been told to throw away all the cartridges and carbon and replace it with media such as matrix or lava rock! Although my aquariums are running smooth, I know that that process takes a while so this should be really cool to see.. This time around in the hobby though, I created planted tanks and I did a lot of water changes when I first set them up like 10 to 20% every day or every other day. Everything was brand new on my 15 gallon when I first started on it..including everything in the filter.. I also had a deep planted substrate in it of stratum, which I later capped with sand. So I had really good luck or results with it. So what if I had been a new person setting up an aquarium and didn't know some of the things I know now? (I really do like the simple design of this filter and you are definitely not lazy 😅 work smarter not harder 😅) In theory, we're taught that carbon is detoxifying. hmmmm🤔 I also wondered if the carbon itself if left in a filter for a long period of time without being changed or after being "exhausted", would just end up being like a biomedia especially since pet stores and Aquarium companies tell us to switch them out often? Another great experiment Fishman looking forward to seeing more results! Thanks for the video FishMan have a very blessed day 🙏💚🌿🐟🌿

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Hey Mary! So many things are perpetuated based on profit instead of what's best. A little bit of knowledge and patience goes a long way. So glad you like this filter. Carbon unfortunately makes for poor biomedia. After it's been in an aquarium for a while it starts to release what it has absorbed. Thanks so much for coming by! Always look forward to hearing from yo!

[@WAF74]

When the charcoal becomes exhausted it's called "biochar". Cody's Lab did an experiment with it recently that you might find interesting. At the very least, how he "charged" the charcoal is relevant to these videos. :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoWUmKt_oJqaZrM The thing to remember about these 2 videos is that the ammonia is metabolized by bacteria which is a living thing. A single celled organism. That single cell is not a brain cell and it doesn't care where it grows. Hey Eric, (if you're reading this)... since bacteria is a living thing, another thing for you to test is temperature during cycle. Nitrosoma's peak metabolic rate happens closer to 70F/21C and colder water can dissolve more oxygen in it. You'll probably get faster results if you set the heater lower to room temperature during your four day test cycle before turning it back up to Angel Fish temperature.

[@marypaigeflynn4512]

@@FishmanEricRussell oh I'm glad you told me that.. I honestly didn't realize that it would start releasing after it becomes old.. a lot of things I just understand the mechanics of but I don't know all the technical stuff. That's why I love watching and learning!! Thanks again I truly appreciate you 🤗 have a wonderful day 🙏🙏🌿🐟🌿

[@FishmanEricRussell]

@@marypaigeflynn4512 You and me both Mary! I'm constantly learning as I go

[@FishmanEricRussell]

@@WAF74 Some of the nested comments get missed as KZbin notifications are kind of hap hazard. I caught this one though. Thanks for those suggestions. I will have a look at his video. There have been so many suggestions for future experiments and modifications for these experiments, I will have lots of material for quite some time. Thanks for coming by!

[@alans4281]

The holes in the top of the box filter are so big cherry shrimp and live bearers fry can swim in . (Just like commercial box filters)

[@FishmanEricRussell]

I like to have my box filters turn into little refugiums. It is sometimes a pain when fry get too big to go in and out and I have to take the top off til they come out. Thanks for watching!

[@QueAquatics]

Awesome information

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Thanks!

[@FredHOleniuk]

The evolution of the hobby demonstrates past "must haves" and future "why did we do that?". Thanks Fred O

[@FishmanEricRussell]

So true Fed!

[@janecourtenay3676]

That is one really cute filter!

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Thanks so much!

[@jamesgreen9372]

Question: Why is gravel your choice of media? I have noticed similar gravel in some of your other videos. Many counsel us on the net to go for maximum "porosity." Some even suggest there is no media in nature porous enough; so by theirs. My apologies if your covered this elsewhere. Construction Videos: I love them. Any you made will be appreciated. One can appreciate a finished product; however, the eloquence and craft of the journey adds to the story. Thanks for the chance to view your skill and science, Jim

[@FishmanEricRussell]

The more porous the media the greater the possible surface area and therefore the better the biological filtration. There's no real argument against this other than how much do you actually need. I find in most of the tanks I've set up that gravel is porous enough and if I think I need a bit more I use lava rock or coral. I've bought some of the commercial media and tried them. The only thing I really noticed in the end was the price. Thanks for watching!

[@CherokeeAquatics]

Cool filter, Jw can you make a diy sump out of acrylic?

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Glad you like it! I have one in the fish room right now. If I need another I will do up a video for it. Thanks for watching!

[@SandyDoughty]

I really like the new design!

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Thanks so much Sandy!

[@TheThomasmcneil]

Where do you purchase your acrylic from, the tubes in particular? Do they also have t's and elbows?

[@FishmanEricRussell]

I get it locally at a place called Canus plastics. Unfortunately I have yet to find a place that sells acrylic elbows and tees. I would love it if I could. So many more projects would open up then. Thanks for coming by!

[@TheThomasmcneil]

Thank you for your quick response, and keep up the great videos.

[@kishoresuvarna8845]

👍👍👍👌👌

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Thanks so much!

[@alans4281]

Only 4 years into the hobby. The word in eastern Australia is carbon is only used to remove old medication/ not needed .

[@FishmanEricRussell]

It is also useful for removing any accumulated organic molecules. I use it on large tanks where water changes aren't as easy. It won't do anything here. Thanks for coming by!

[@dusk1947]

Straight carbon impacting your ammonia concentrations, probably marginal at best. It can pull out any number of things, but ammonia isn't one it binds very well. Carbon which does interact with ammonia: is surface treated activated carbon. It's usually exposed to an oxidative treatment with something like nitric acid. So, is your carbon an "oxidized carbon"? Also worth noting, oxidized carbon will only get you so far. Activated Carbon specifically designed to pull out Ammonia, have proprietary granules added, specifically because the carbon alone does little

[@FishmanEricRussell]

It is acid treated, though not with either nitric or phosphoric acids as it was intended for a marine environment. I still expect it to have negligible affect on the ammonia. I wanted to run this simply for the nostalgia of what was told to me when I first started working in pet stores. Thanks for taking the time to comment and watch!

[@elizabethG633]

Why not use Ammonia Chips in a chamber?

[@FishmanEricRussell]

I'm trying to mostly test biological methods. I used carbon to prove a point more than anything else. Lots of people seem to think it will remove ammonia. Thanks for coming by!

[@renaldsmith4492]

Can I use chloroform to make a acrylic aquarium?

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Unfortunately I have no experience with it. Sorry.

[@kindnessisgold]

How do you build this

[@FishmanEricRussell]

I will do up a video if I get some more interest. Thanks for watching!

[@AlpacaMade]

Not one to do math, even under pressure; my theory is it would take a massive amount of carbon to make more than a day's difference as carbon absorbs organics that lead to ammonia spikes. That said, I think we all want the magic formula however; we are in reality, proving that tank cycling is tank cycling. No shortcuts. Improved efficiency is still a worthy goal. Here's an experiment that might be interesting: reversing your plant experiments to see how commercial immersion grown plants adapt to slowly becoming submerged. I've often wondered if lessening the shock of going from one growing condition to another would reduce melt off. Something I had intended to try with that 20L wasting space in a corner in my living room😉👍

[@FishmanEricRussell]

You're quite right that by the end of this we're most likely going to see a consistent 72 hr. effect. That seems to be what previous works on this have come up with. Those tests though dealt with specific filters where I'm going to try many. I've seen many videos on submerging terrestrial plants and it seems to all end the same. Making the process slower might help but I expect that after long term submersion the plant will drown. Thanks so much for coming by and sharing your thoughts on this!

[@FKJ_WORLD]

Comments really motivate. You did a great share bro. I cannot tell when last you did a video. Come to think of it...Never. Always something to take away from your share. blessings bredda, be safe and enjoy your weekend

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Thanks ever so much Raliegh! Always a pleasure

[@jackanddan]

carbon has never impressed us much....nice test sir!

[@FishmanEricRussell]

Hey guys! I don't use it often but it does have some uses.

[@guppiesstories5942]

change your pebbles/media to zeolites

[@FishmanEricRussell]

The more porous the media the greater the possible surface area and therefore the better the biological filtration. There's no real argument against this other than how much do you actually need. I find in most of the tanks I've set up that gravel is porous enough and if I think I need a bit more I use lava rock or coral. I've bought some of the commercial media and tried them. The only thing I really noticed in the end was the price. Thanks for watching!

[@guppiesstories5942]

@@FishmanEricRussell That was what my thinking too until the ionic aspect was brought up. Postive and negative ions attract each other. My filter is like an big magnet. This is different ball game. Anoxic filteration. www.mankysanke.co.uk/html/anoxic_filtration.html Even if you don't want the anoxic to take out nitrates, the zeolites can still be used to zap ammonia. And the best thing is you can recharge the zeolites by soaking it in brine.

[@gebhardt244]

I guess amonia level will fall and as soon an the coal has reached its holding capacity it stops

[@FishmanEricRussell]

That is certainly a widely held belief. We will see on Sundays' vlog. Thanks for coming by and weighing in!

[@nimaseyedmortazavi]

Mate, be carefull with your assumption. If you get amonia spike, carbo do help your fish, but not by reducing amonia, it help your fish by reducing ph. There is two type of amonia in your test environment, NH4+ and NH3 (ionized and un-ionized ammonia) your test kit do not see the different between them, however un-ionized amonia is alot more poisonous to your fish. Carbon, help you to lower the Ph, and with lower Ph, you get less un-ionized amonia,, hence your chans that fish live increase. But adding carbon to lower ph depends on your water hardness. Summarising this shoud be : If you have not hard water, adding the amount of carbon you used, will lower Ph, and let you get less un-ionized amonia and icrease your fish survivell chans, hower your test kid still show unchange amounto of ammonia.

[@FishmanEricRussell]

You're right in that most activated carbon in the aquarium trade is acid washed and could lower the pH in your tank. The pH of them being around 3-5. Depending on the chemistry of your tank water this could lower the pH by a noticeable amount. This test though isn't about it's general benefits in an aquarium but specifically about whether it will absorb ammonia. Thanks for coming by and sharing your thoughts on this!

[@woodworkerroyer8497]

I think that there will be no difference between carbon, and no carbon. I have never heard anyone claim that carbon pulls ammonia or nitrites out of water, so I don't think it will make any difference. Don't get me wrong, I HOPE I'm wrong, and it just pulls ALL the ammonia and nitrite out, but I dont expect that to be the case. Also, so you don't have to mess with showing every build, why not make a playlist of a few videos showing just how to built stuff. One could be basic acrylic techniques, another advanced ones, another silicone techniques, and another tips and tricks to get measurements, or straight lines, or the best bits and blades to use for the various projects. I think it would save you time in the long run and be a REALLY nice resource for us with no experience in the field.

[@FishmanEricRussell]

You're quite right. There should be no removal with carbon. The funny thing is when ever I leave out the build process I get lots of requests to put it in . Thanks for taking the time to come by!