New Bus For London January 2017 Update

Many topics...
(below this text is information that was left out of the film)
*more of these buses continue to be introduced
*eventually there will be 1000 of them
*the rear doors are permanently closed, so no more hop-on / hop-off at red traffic signals or traffic jams
*one bus route used to see the buses switch between open and closed door modes en-route - we see this in action!
*there is a new twin door / single staircase version which comes in two forms, including an opportunity charging variant
*a brief look at other opportunity charging solutions and a call for more electric buses using these technologies in London *a brief look at other opportunity charging solutions and a call for more electric buses using these technologies in London - this includes "in motion charging" (also known as "SlideIn") which does not require a bus to be stationary to recharge the batteries
*a look inside the new SRM buses
*more....
It is my view that if TfL / London Buses want to properly evaluate opportunity charging then they should trial all three of the variants which are presently available, including in-motion charging / SlideIn. London already uses under-road induction, the SRM with B5LHC chassis will use overhead pantograph, so in-motion charging will tick the third box.
Music: Quirky Dog By Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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License: CC BY 3.0
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Additional factoids which due to time constraints were left out of the film (I wanted to stay below 10 minutes in duration)…
re: Opportunity charging, the BYD principle is that a bus should be able to operate a full shift on one battery charge. However, whilst this works well on single deck buses which have medium duty shifts that do not travel too far, for large buses (especially double-deckers) carrying enough batteries requires a reduction in passenger capacity. (London's experimental BYD double-deckers demonstrate this).
Other bus builders believe in day-time battery top-ups since these mean that the buses can carry a full complement of passengers - rather than enough batteries to operate a full shift on one charge.
However topping up batteries takes time and requires a dedicated parking space - or for areas served by multiple and busy routes will require several / many dedicated parking spaces... . that is, if is space available! Passengers will not welcome even two minute delays during their journeys to allow for battery charging. This explains why most topping-up takes place during the layover period between journeys when the bus is not in passenger service.
Whilst in-motion charging (which is also known as Slide-in) requires trolleybus infrastructure it means that the batteries can be charged whilst the bus is moving, ie: in service and carrying fare-paying passengers.
Beijing trialled battery buses but was not happy with battery life plus how often parked vehicles blocked the overhead charging posts. So instead it is going for trolleybuses and is converting 20+ diesel bus services to trolleybus - in the process installing much new overhead wiring. Beijing also uses in-motion charging, as some of its trolleybus services pass through wire-free zones.
Rome built a brand new trolleybus route because a study by the Roma Tre university found that it was cheaper than paying the healthcare costs of people who had become unwell from diesel bus air pollution. In the city centre there is an unwired section which includes the city centre route terminus where the buses lay-over in battery mode. The batteries are recharged using in-motion charging. However after a decade of use the short life of the batteries required that they be replaced - at a whopping 30,000 euro per trolleybus. Because of this Rome’s next brand new trolleybus services use diesel auxiliary power packs when away from the overhead wires.
New York has also stopped buying hybrid buses, citing battery life and replacement cost issues as being the cause. Instead it has reverted to diesels.

[@routeman680]

The main point of the new Routemaster or Borismaster was to have an open rear platform to avoid the disgraceful treatment of passengers seen at 2:18, which was always too common with London Transport. If the new one doesn't have the open platform it may as well be a standard vehicle.

[@robertcoleman110]

The new one is a SRM and it's different from the nrm

[@samuelfellows6923]

Those are “Volvo hybrid” not the “extended range hybrid diesel-electric” and the rear door is missing, yes, a nominal bus ~ but the front is styled on the routemaster - similar to that of Alexander Dennis city bus ~ where the front of it mimics a routemaster and those are [hybrid/battery electric]

[@Dosedmonkey]

That rear door is a major oversight in original design.

[@krashd]

Not really, if it wasn't for that door no one would ever get on a bus because you stop at a bus stop and you will never get going again. You have to be able to board a bus while it's moving.

[@BusTVChan]

great video, waving from the USA

[@robertcoleman110]

America is dead

[@GhostlyVT]

@@robertcoleman110 yeah

[@jpht1964]

It's so comforting to know that the tradition of using double deck busses in London still goes on...

[@francish5401]

looks very nice shape.The back of the bus is like the old 1960s bus shape.

[@bahnvideo425]

This video is very interesting, informative and also contains some looks at very fine details, thank you for sharing! I also appreciate the complex description, there is lots of useful information!

[@mrrolandlawrence]

trolley back in the capital! about time! Electric motors are notoriously reliable and simple.

[@charles.stewart4422]

Wow with so many models on the road , l am now totally Confused , thanks "London transport" !

[@UrbanStories]

it would be technically really challenging to replace all the buses in London overnight, so old and new models will be there together for some time I'm sure.

[@CLondoner92]

Also what I like to add is, the route 38 conductor changeover was at Essex Road / Newington Green Road bus stop (towards Victoria) and Mildmay Park / Southgate Road bus stop (Towards Hackney Central/Clapton Pond).

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Thanks :-) There is so much more that I would have liked to have included but I wanted to keep the film below 10 minutes duration.

[@jonathanmallard3965]

Want to know the REAL reason London Transport is getting rid of the Wrightbus? I'm a pensioner with a free pass - and so take advantage of my travel ticket - BUT - virtually every time I travelled on a route that had a rear and mid entrance for passengers - I noticed passengers who'd waited at the bus stop - and even if no-one was waiting to board at the front entrance (where the driver would see the passenger presenting their ticket and the machinery there would verify their ticket) - they'd board at the centre or - particularly - at the rear - and DO NOTHING WITH THE TICKET CHECKER. I mentioned this to a driver at the end of my journey one day - that I'd noticed at least half a dozen passengers had just boarded and sat down ignoring the ticket checkers - and he said he knew and that LT was getting rid of these buses because they were losing so much money..! Why is it that the BBC and other media channels avoid mentioning anything to do with that - I betcha it's because they realise that at least 50% of British average person is a skiving cheat - but that would tarnish their 'media image'... That's one tiny aspect of your world today, folk - and I'll leave you with a quote (that's not from me): 'Every individual is guilty of every evil they refuse to learn how to prevent.'

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

When I had a paper Travelcard I also ignored Oyster card readers - but it did not mean that I was dodging my fares. Also, what about the trams and DLR which have open boarding at all stops?

[@jonathanmallard3965]

I did note other passengers who had the Travelcard and they tended to show it to the driver - maybe it was a matter of conscience - but those who blatantly waited at the middle and end of the bus - even walked from the from the front entrance on purpose when the bus came - indifferently board the bus and find a seat and sit. Again - it's up to their own consciences. One point I have to make about passengers - virtually every time - it's a female passenger - even in a long queue - and when it's her time to board - she has to put down her shopping - open her handbag - then her purse - and then take out her Oyster card or whatever and after 30 seconds - register it - then, standing in the same position (with several people behind her with their cards in their hands) while putting the card carefully back in her purse, purse into her handbag, closing the handbag and then picking up all her shopping and moving to a seat as if nothing out of the ordinary had happened. The times they do that in payment queues at supermarkets - but - everyone's own mother quietly mentally diverts them from any comment. I'll leave it to other people's consciences..!

[@harrythomaspowell4241]

They is now a new door button which allows the driver to open the front and middle door and keep the rear one shut

[@LucyMichela]

So the whole concept that made them "New Routemasters" has been scrapped? Well done TfL!

[@Dosedmonkey]

JD the Trainspotter Nit there fault the health and safety culture we live in. Reduces accidents but pushes up fairs.

[@LucyMichela]

Dosedmonkey still seems a waste of money if they didn't look into the safety of it. y'know?

[@traintrambus]

Fantastic video with so much info. Thanks for making it.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

thank you for your comment. I am glad that you enjoyed this film.

[@the_alex_ellis_channel6923]

Another difference is the door clsoing alarm. The NBfL/NRM uses the beeping noise, while the SRM uses a steady buzzer, just like a Gemini 3.

[@robertcoleman110]

Some nrms uses the same alarm as Gemini 3/evoseti

[@realrasmckhaileath1846]

I searched for Jose Mourinho’s tactics and this vid came up first

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

LOL!

[@uzmaullah1432]

😅😅

[@ozad6711]

@@CitytransportInfoplus inmauritius

[@ivolloxy3030]

13 got new buses on its last few days at Sovereign Is that really a good idea? They could keep them for the staying routes

[@CLondoner92]

brilliant video, at least the NRM design will live on as the two door SRM. it will be interesting to see the NRMs on East London Transit routes which is expected to enter service throughout February.

[@paulwhite8493]

I like the bus but in Australia they make a longer bus

[@soheljamil4810]

Yp

[@DoubleDeckerAnton]

Great Informative Video! 👌📹 Thanks! 😀👍 I hope the SRM buses have opening windows on both decks! The NBFL'S got opening windows this past 12 months!

[@Zeczam]

DoubleDeckerAnton they don't lol

[@avro56]

Beautiful buses!!

[@seb1things1]

On the new 2 door RTM, they need to have windows that can open. I have been on route 183 and at the top is not good. Even if the aircon is working. The 3 door ones, have it.

[@SMTransportStuff]

Those London Sovereign VHRs are now allocated to the route 183 after the lose of the 13 to Tower Transit.

[@kristinajendesen7111]

Very interesting (as an original RM driver X garage 84-86). We had one of the best trolleybus systems in the country down here in Bournemouth. Crazy getting rid of it. RATP run Yellow Buses here now too.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I recall travelling on one of your trolleybuses, I was a very young child and my father was there on business... we travelled as a family group (even his mother came along!) and although I do not recall all the details I do remember making a fuss with my mother and grandmother because we needed to catch a bus and I wanted to travel on a bus that had two arms on its roof! I also recall returning a few years later (this was probably 1969) and instead of seeing trolleybuses I saw partially dismantled trolleybus wires.

[@kristinajendesen7111]

@@CitytransportInfoplus Yes, April 1969 they went. Sadly I missed them going as I was in hospital at the time.

[@AdnanAftab]

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[@AdnanAftab]

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[@AdnanAftab]

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[@vincentdeguard4726]

another superb video. looks like we going to enter the 2020s with buses (and taxis/black cabs) that are "permitted" to pollute "our" (world-class?) city. unless Brexit has made any impact (which i think it won't) the population of London is still forecast to increase by 100,000 every year for the next ten years...this means more traffic and more health issues. "we" really need to "up-our-game" now...more tree-planting, switch to zero-emissions transport system etc.

[@jaketen2001]

Kahn is accelerating the implementation of zero emmission zones, and enlarging the zones. The most polluted corridors of the city are also receiving the zero emission buses first.

[@TodunOlusola]

jim kaf yeh but he is also narrowing roads which creates more congestion and more pollution. I am all for electric Ultra low emission and hybrid ultra low emission zone but narrowing roads isn't the way to do it. his failure to make smart roads will kill him if the conservatives or lib Dems cease on this.

[@thebowevmaniac]

2:!5: R.I.P she missed her bus Legends say she is still waiting for the bus to arrive.

[@nature_people]

🤣🤣🤣

[@HelenCyprus1]

2:15

[@juliesmith5567]

I like watching all the changes of them from then till now they are interesting,

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I hope to make a new edition of this film in either 2022 or 2023, when the buses have their mid-life refurbishment.

[@nature_people]

Can`t wait to experience the flying ones coming. 😊

[@thegrowl2210]

Did you know that in France and other European countries, you don't need catenaries for electric trams? Thanks to a system called APS (Can't remember what it stands for) you can have the electrification under the road, away from people, so is does not ruin aesthetics, and is completely safe!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Yes, here is a link to my webpage about Alimentation Par Sol (ground level power supply) in Bordeaux citytransport.info/Bod.htm btw, I walked on the power supply rails and can attest to their being safe! This page includes information about some other power supply technologies which do not used overhead wires. citytransport.info/Trams02.htm btw, overhead wires are the least expensive power supply solution

[@ghmusic8116]

citytransportinfo....Excellent well informed Video Cheers for sharing!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I'm pleased you found this to be of interest. Thanks for commenting

[@ghmusic8116]

Cheers!

[@alangiles2763]

Another point: Coronavirus and not one openinf window, just air conditioning which will spread all the germs around all the time - bad enough in an ordinary winter, plus a nice overheated space to breed the germs even more quickly.

[@samuelfellows6923]

😐 - as they are manufactured by Wirghtbus [Bamford Bus company], unlike Alexander Dennis, MCV, and SCANIA, which the a/c air is recirculated in the bus 😷, Wrightbus buses have fresh air-air conditioning, the outside air is drawn into a vent on the driver’s side at the back of the bus, this is sucked into a air handling unit - filter>evaporative coils>fan, and blown out of holes above the windows on the inside. = with the COVID-19 pandemic - I would prefer to travel in a Wrightbus, with its replacement air type air conditioning. (Unfortunately I don’t like masks, so I’m avoiding public transport and have stopped volunteering - until we have all been vaccinated and go back to normal 😄) another thing you pointed out that the new route master bus has sealed windows - when Tomas Heatherwick designed the original - sealed windows are the new normal for air conditioned vehicles - because of the old problem of the openable ones being left open on air conditioned vehicles = before COVID-19, I was regularly using the TFL buses and found that because the bus manufacturers had fitted aftermarket air conditioning to said buses that have opening windows and have not told TFL or the passengers in the bus that it has air conditioning/climate control, = when it gets hot (the passengers think its a older bus with only a heater) and open the windows and leave them like that - defeating the air conditioning = l have had to endure such uncomfortable, hot conditions on these buses 🥵, I have already complained to TfL about it and had a lame response from them 😠, and will be doing a KZbin video about it!

[@hmdesilvahmds]

SO HAPPY WE HAVE A B5LHC!

[@alexpeak16]

The two SRM B5LHCs will go to Go-Ahead's Peckham garage and will debut on the 37 very soon. Don't be surprised to see the odd few workings on the 63 and 363.

[@alexpeak16]

Sarah F-L No but it did use Plaxton Presidents for a while.

[@fadumakulan2569]

Route masters ARE VERY GOOD

[@lukecarlin9946]

The back is amazing

[@Plaxton220]

The battery back on the B5LHC is so big! But then I'm guessing that's the price to pay for a more eco friendly bus. Great video btw.

[@Dosedmonkey]

theDevonEnviro // Transport Videos In Devon I think it might also be the space used for inverter and generator packs is different in size.

[@Jesuis-qe8ql]

3:52 ese logo no es del transporte de paris francia / that logo is not from paris france transport

[@samuraiMOURS]

It was added on Route 248 in 2023 the last day of Stagecoach Scania Omnicity Buses.

[@ace-paidinfull5240]

Gem 3s are my favourite! Im driving one now on route 18😍 The 13 looked good in B5LH* edition

[@nature_people]

Are they very different from the driver`s perspective?

[@ace-paidinfull5240]

@@nature_people not too sure what you mean, i edited the comment from streetdeck to B5LH because for a longtime ive known and loved these wright bodied volvos but not realised they have different names when the variant is different. So if your asking me the difference between the VHR and the VH (B5LH/Gem3), im not sure coz ive only driven the latter. Separately, i think RATPs Gem3s just look stunning to me, because they are the only company who dont have the black panels on the headlights, and having never seen the 13 in that type before in real life, it just looks even better!

[@nature_people]

@@ace-paidinfull5240 Thanks a lot. Great details. 👍

[@mustansirdohadwala8168]

You got clean sustainable 2nd generation biofuels. It's already being trialed in a London bus

[@robertdblack7179]

I see this being the confusing way to make the manufacturing of the RMs cheaper? Still as long as they keep the good comfy seats that other buses seem to have a lack of. But thanks for the superb video, very well made! I'm subscribing to you!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Thanks! :-) It is now almost six months since I made this film and as far as I am aware the full complement of SRM type buses has still not been introduced in to service. Furthermore none have become a chosen style of bus by a bus company for services outside of London. This is in contrast with the ADL 400 City buses which have been chosen for a few towns and cities. Perhaps what is also significant here is that the latter have been chosen by smaller independent bus operators, not the large groups.

[@abhishekpawar5126]

In Mumbai ( Bombay ) buses from the 90's are still being used , some of them have been upgraded to modern ones

[@jamesparry88]

I really like the new routemasters, They are the worlds best bus to be honest. Comfy, beautiful looking, disabled people can see the next stop, and nostalgic. I remember getting the 48 to London bridge and the seats were like rock! I wasn't lucky enough to get the 1 remaining New Routemaster. I heard they're getting discontinued, too expensive I guess. Really same :(

[@ZnenTitan]

I'm reminded of the old Gerry Anderson UFO show from the late sixties and the London of the future.

[@CarpeDiemTraveller]

Hey citytransportinfo, just wanted to let you know that I think electric buses have started entering service on route 360 - got on LJ16 EZS - BYD bus which wasn't BYD/ADL and doesn't show up on LVF!! Very strange

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Thanks. There is a new BYD demonstrator, I do not know much about it but early next month I'll be looking out for it (with my camcorder in my hand!)

[@CarpeDiemTraveller]

citytransportinfo I didn't even know the bus existed!!

[@jamesc1199]

When did these buses operate on the route 13? This is a route that I regularly use and I've never seen these buses on the route.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

before the buses were reorganised and a different route was renumbered 13!

[@LondonAndSouthEastTransport]

My favourite buses in london are the ADL Enviro 200 MMCity! My second favourite are the old Routemasters! My third favourite are the new Borismasters!

[@GenericLifts]

So annoying that there's no more hop on/hop off

[@BBCletts]

Worth tracking the safety recalls (steering failure especially - 468 buses lose PAS when inverter blows up. The other recall links to the rear doors interlock - slightly less likely to cause a crash) crashes (runaway and brake failures especially - logic lock-out prevents regeneration braking when electric motor is driving but analysis suggests system still sees 'normal' condition even if 'drive' signal is false - so the EBS brakes are inhibited but the system thinks they are working and the foundation (standby) direct braking system (installed under the normal brake pedal) is locked out) In the event of such a logic failure, especially a run-away motor the action would I suspect be to totally isolate traction (and control) battery and apply the parking brake - independent and direct spring application, but brutal with no ability to feather the brake and control the way the bus slows down, with the note that this brake should not be relied on when the 'heavyweight'' bus is parked on a hill - it only works on the back axle. With the power off the PAS will also be knocked out, so the driver will need biceps like Popeye the Sailorman to steer the bus. Then we consider the overheating issue, where I suspect a problem common in refridgeration systems comes into play. To 'pump' heat from one place to another the destination must be able to soak away the heat being sent there (see Second law of Thermodynamics or listen to Flanders & Swann's lyrical explanation) the 'evaporator coils' in the place to be cooled down have the pressurised refridgerant fluid fed in and like all evaporation it sucks in heat (water does this naturally - 2.5 million calories to evaporate one gallon) a pump then pressurises the now gas and it becomes hot, and liquifies under pressure, as it enters the condenser coils - these are mounted at the rear and outside on the NBFL, with a forced airflow and a filter.....If the filter blocks or the outside temperature simply gets too high the condenser no longer delivers cooled-down liquid back to the evaporator, and rather than remove heat the system actually pumps heat back into the place you are trying to cool down (oddly enough this is the reported phenomenum with NBFL on hot days) take the bus out of service, and back to a cool sheltered bus garage to test it.... and the system works fine! This us also a reason why you will never get a satisfactory operation air conditioned tube trains as the heat removed from the carriages can only go into the tunnels, where .. it heats up the carriages and reduces the efficiency of the condenser coils. There is one emergency reserve option available on every train, which could be delivered - that could deliver a 1-shot cooling down, and humidity reduction option - for example on a stranded train, but this would be strictly a 1-off option, as the 'heat removal' credit has been delivered by a previous heat dump. Finally - with the London 'decker' length just about standardised at 10.3 metres, the NBFL throws a spanner in the works with the enhanced rear overhang (to almost 12 metres - the original UK limit for rigid buses - now its 15 metres with 3 axles, but the rear axle has to be a steered axle, and 18 metres for an artic, and the rear outswing limit for pulling away from a kerb has been increased from 0.8m to 1.2m) All this means is that the NBFL dictates the limits to which entry/exit 'flares' to bus stations can be 'tightened' to reduce crossing distances, and bus entry speeds, and it messes up the original arrangements for bus stands and bus stops, where the extra metre means that buses no longer fit the original space, and can stick put to block junctions, or mask the sight-lines for pedestrian crossings. Some contrast really - that the RM took nearly a decade to develop, and produced possibly still the lightest bus per passenger, with sub frames for engine and transmission, which have permitted at least 3 engine upgrades with minimal upheaval and 2 length extensions to RML and XRM. It is highly manouevreable as well with the forward mounted steering axle. We await the true successor design...

[@CLondoner92]

The final routes to be converted to the New Routemaster buses are: Route 76 - operated by Go Ahead London General - expected date 28th January East London Transit routes EL1, EL2 and EL3 - operated by Go Ahead Blue Triangle - expected date 18th February Route 48 - operated by Arriva London - expected date 25th February Route 254 - operated by Arriva London - expected date 3rd June Next routes to convert to Enviro400H City are: 133 & 333 - operated by Arriva London - 21st January 388 - operated by CT Plus - new contract starts on 21st January and no reports of new deliveries for that type.

[@perrymarkbrackenbury7820]

CLondoner92 EL1, EL2 and EL3 are getting them in February 18th 2017

[@TodunOlusola]

CLondoner92 any news on what Mayor Kahn plans to replace them with, he said he wants to use a more eco friendly bus, but that was about it.

[@CLondoner92]

Tod 1 there are no plans at present to replace the New Routemasters. those buses have a lifespan of 14 years, then it will be a likely chance of the routes to have SRM or E400H City design buses.

[@TodunOlusola]

CLondoner92 no I phrased it incorrectly, I ment the mayor has stopped taking further orders, I was wondering what he will order instead. He said he wanted a more greener option but nothing further

[@alecboyyes]

I thought the orders for new Boris buses had been terminated?

[@michaelwalker1119]

I saw a vid on youtube about london transport were the buses came in one end got dismantled rebuilt and put back together as good as new. Thats how the new buses should of been designed. As engine technology improved you just swap that part over on its strip down/rebuild.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I know what you mean, the buses (probably the original Routemasters) were designed by bus people for easy maintenance and parts replacement. The buses were also maintained to a schedule so that there was less chance of them breaking down in service.

[@EonityLuna]

Regarding air quality for buses in London, what's the minimum emission standard for buses there? Here in Singapore we are at Euro 5 for diesel vehicles (eg. buses), but there are plans to go Euro 6 next year. Petrol vehicles just went Euro 6 here, by the way.

[@rabd9881]

Most buses in London are Euro 5 or 6, with Euro 4 buses being withdrawn. All new buses in Central London must be electric and Euro 6 everywhere else

[@ConnorLowreyTransport]

We need some buses like these up north

[@reponahmed6335]

13 is not operated by London united but tower transit but they have SRM on route 183

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

There have been many changes to buses in this area with the 13 being withdrawn but a different bus route (I think 113) effectively being renamed the 13.

[@haydenhslade3590]

Repon ahmed 4pch

[@haydenhslade3590]

citytransportinfo fast Egg

[@shmuckwaffle6571]

citytransportinfo 82* not 113

[@jamesgillingham3098]

Good work on this mate

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Thank you :-)

[@xc_03]

The Enviro400 City looks cool :D

[@robertcoleman110]

That isn't a enviro 400h city

[@xc_03]

@@robertcoleman110 0:43

[@ZnenTitan]

Looks like a bus from an episode of Thunderbirds are Go!

[@LFaureVideos]

Great video :)

[@grumpycarlsworld]

So with the opportunity charging, and on the go charging, why not just resort back to the old, nearly forgotten trolley bus? Almost the same thing. And what's the seating capacity of these compared to the real (50s) Routemaster. Looks like a few sparsely spaced lounges rather than maximum capacity seating.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Seating capacity and layout is different to older buses because of the need for wheelchair & buggy space TfL are determined to trial unproven ideas and avoid proven viable bus solutions to air pollution. Yes, its a bad situation, as it means that there is more air pollution.

[@Dosedmonkey]

Great video, could they not design turn styles or gates similar the tube entrance and exit to control fairs? These could lock closed on exits when bus departs.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Turnstiles are sometimes fitted to buses and trams in places such as Russia and South America. The idea being to ensure that passengers pay their fares. I suppose that the same could be done here in London, but first the people in power must think of doing this.

[@srfurley]

The Daimler one person operated buses introduced in London sometime in the '70s originally had split entrances, pay the driver or pay the machine. They had turnstiles, but the equipment was short-lived.

[@Bodragon]

(7:26) - and at many other points, it's "an NBfL", not "a NBfL". OK?

[@Bobrogers99]

Batteries are steadily improving, motivated by the popularity of electric cars, so quite soon there may be batteries that will reliably permit a bus to complete its entire route (even allowing for delays and cold winter weather) before it needs a charge at a terminus.

[@BusTrainsGuy18]

Wow is that a museum where can I find it and I like your awesome video 📹

[@piccadilyroad66]

Don't know why, but I really like and prefer to Routemaster bus design than new

[@UrbanStories]

it just takes getting used to.

[@terrificspokesman7416]

I like the bendy buses more

[@Thomas1980]

very nice Bus!

[@armedessential]

Haha that lady missing the bus is so typical

[@samrogers7896]

armedessential yeah lol Typical london....

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

half the time I used these buses I boarded at traffic lights. I now used them less!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

half the time I used these buses I boarded at traffic lights. I now used them less!

[@Sean-D78]

I have a question, TFL states they stopped using routemasters in 2005 but it’s still in public service. Umm... Why?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

only about a dozen original Routemasters are still in service, on route No.15

[@UrbanStories]

a couple of classic ones are kept mainly for heritage/tourism purposes.

[@UrbanStories]

I think there's No.9 as well, if I remember right.

[@DavidWood2]

As citytransportinfo says, the only heritage Routemaster operation that remains is on route 15. The route 9 heritage Routemaster operation ended in 2014 after TfL decided the required subsidy of over £1m per year was unjustifiable.

[@princeicio]

Great video. What about the tube? does it work? I'm planning to go there in March.

[@Alan_Mac]

Of course it works!

[@princeicio]

Alan Mac I've heard about a tube strike and traffic jams.

[@Dosedmonkey]

princeicio Nah tube is fine. Don't worry. Some repairs happen on weekends, so sections of line can be closed on weekends, but buses are not busy on weekends.

[@seb1things1]

I think the one with 2 doors makes more sense.

[@MarC-ok1gj]

Nope cause this one looks like the old ones, it has 2 stairs to go on the second floor and it has way many more seats

[@seb1things1]

@@MarC-ok1gj and way more people that don't pay the fair. This is why the 2 doors makes more sense.

[@carlafernandes2307]

I hate the 2 door one. 3 door one is the best.

[@CallingAllStations]

Great video, very informative! You should voice over the captions :)

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Thanks :-) One reason for word captions is that I tend to make my films at night when other people in the house are asleep and I do not want to disturb them. Another reason is that written words are easier for people who only understand a little English. They can always pause the film and use a translation software to learn the meaning of an obscure word.

[@lianekerr650]

Old routemasters with conductors are best

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I would have been happier if London had retained the 100% electric buses (called trolleybuses) that were displaced by the diesel Routemaster buses. At one time London had 1800 trolleybuses - nowadays battery buses are slowly being introduced but there are still nowhere near as many of these as there were trolleybuses.

[@Mgameing123]

@@CitytransportInfoplus Or even better retained the tram network.

[@QuarioQuario54321]

Why do they still use rollsigns? You've to replace it if the destination has to be something not on it. With a digital display, you can've any text be a destination so bus stop named "citytransportinfo", they can have it.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

My understanding is that TfL think LED's and other electronic displays are not as clear / easy to read.

[@Dosedmonkey]

QuarioQuario54321 it's actually against road traffic regs to have moving LEDs for the boards. Only none static lights allowed are indicators. Not sure how a lot of bus companies get away with it, common sense exception?

[@dgattenb]

trolley busses back in london .. lol ... fab !

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I wish... that was a graphic designer's change of a photograph

[@edimstravion1276]

Amazine !

[@hartstukken]

watching this three years late. But I think that London should have trolleybuses once again only the double deckers though, since it's far easier for smaller buses to be fully electric with a battery pack. Only two issues i see excluding the everlasting "But money" one that sticks it's head out at every single breath a large city makes. Are: - Time and space it'll take up to set up the wire network & power grid division(s) - Complaints about overhead wires in dense areas

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

You are not late - these buses are still running! As for trolleybuses, yes I agree but TfL are willing to do almost anything except even trial trolleybuses. Despite the air pollution implications they would rather have diesels! I say this as someone who has (as part of a group) campaigned for trolleybuses and received a very firm rebuttal.

[@susanbaker1523]

wow cool video i think the new London routemaster buses are cool i dont like the the silly nickname for them i saw two of the new buses when i went to London once the first one passed by when i was at a bus stop waiting for my coach home when it passed i cried nice bus and the conductor smiled the second one passed when i was on the coach

[@NextSound170]

I think london buses have gone mad lol but a great video as always, whatever happened to Metroline's BYD Double Decker i hardly see that at all

[@thegrowl2210]

That one's a trial, there's only one.

[@robertcoleman110]

It got withdrawn

[@hotenhitonokoe2848]

nice video

[@perrymarkbrackenbury7820]

Another new bus design already? lol. Is there any more routes that will have the SRM buses?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

There are only a few prototype / demonstration SRM buses. I do not yet know which routes will have them as their main fleet.

[@TodunOlusola]

citytransportinfo not a fan of the design, I prefer the Enviro 400 H city design.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

The Enviro 400H City has a lot going for it. I found the one's I've been on to be a notch above some of London's other bus designs. re: the SRM, I am not convinced that parallel style hybrids are best for London's stop start traffic. I might be converted by the B5LHC OppCharge version.

[@holmesjunction]

Interesting video, thanks. Ah the days of regulated transport. Mrs T killed it off in South York's and the bus services are still getting worse (frequency, reliability and cost) all the time. Sigh.

[@51WCDodge]

Wonder how long they will be in service? The way TfL and the companies trest drivers there won't be anyone to run them.

[@michaelsandford1015]

Love london buses.

[@andrewscott1253]

Why do the conductors shut the back door manually? Is is because people can get caught up in them and it proved dangerous to do it manually?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

at that location the bus was changing between two person mode (with conductor) to one person mode and without the conductor the buses were seen as dangerous.

[@Tuukkohakee]

I understand why keeping conductors on board wasn’t viable, but the NBFL lost it’s selling point with it. With the traffic jams of london an open door where you can jump off and on at any time would be useful.

[@samrogers7896]

Nice video.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Thanks :-)

[@jackyblue67same10]

I would love to go to London & ride on 1 of these buses I'd go straight to the top lol

[@airzulu2733]

Once all the covid restrictions are gone. I suggest keeping an eye on the london bus museum at Brooklands weybridge ,there is a web site . They have open days where they run the old london buses . It's a great way to see them ,photography ect .

[@trainrover]

Your reports are thorough as ever. The vehicular battery thing ain't there yet, so I wouldn't fret over the charging while moving bit..drivers do deserve breaks, so charging at the terminus shouldn't be bad were plied routes shortened, right.. .. . .

[@wilsjane]

We simply do not have the power available to charge the buses. To convert the UK to electric buses would require at least one additional nuclear power station and all the distribution infrastructure

[@trainrover]

Then it must be time to bust out those hydro poles, huh? Besides, Hinkley Pt, for example, was constructed for French consumption, right.

[@williamwoods8022]

ALL diesel and petrol engined vehicles can run on water with absolutely NO polution - only needs a splitter in the engine compartment to split the hydrogen from the rest of the water. Of course the Elites do not want anything that they cannot rip the masses off with just like they stopped Teslas FREE ENERGY in the 1920/30s.

[@wilsjane]

+William Woods. You are simply choosing to ignore the fact that the energy needed to split the water into hydrogen is greater than the energy obtained from burning it in an engine. If you could find a way around this, you will have broken all the laws of physics, made Newton look like a nut job and you will be the richest man in the world. Also, running vehicles on hydrogen is nothing new. In the UK, delivery trucks used it during the oil shortages in the second world war. We used coal gas, which is 90% hydrogen, stored in a 'gas bag' on top of the vehicle. The bag almost doubled the size of the vehicle and its range was about 25 miles.

[@wilsjane]

+trainrover. Wind energy sounds like a good idea, but it is not without it's problems. Absorbing the power of the wind on the scale required to produce electricity throughout the world would alter the weather and have serious impacts on climate. With the wind absorbed, rain clouds picking up 90% of their water over the oceans would not blow inland and could cause major drought problems by pushing the rainfall back over the seas. If only their was a simple answer.!!!!!!!!!!!

[@rahuldesai2816]

I lyk London old 1 buses good n nice

[@sonicboy678]

I guess these buses are better suited for turns in Greater London than articulated ones, but I can't help but be concerned over clearance and balance. Articulated buses have better balance and can be used in more places since it's easier to pass under things.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

There have been some bus routes where road layouts had to be changed before these buses could be introduced and even routes where these buses have not been introduced simply because they are too long. But the same issues also applied to the articulated buses. When Boris Johnson was Mayor there were plans for shorter length versions of these buses (as these would have solved the road layout / lack of space problems experienced by the longer versions) and although one prototype was built the change of Mayor saw this concept fall by the wayside.

[@WaterBottle1401]

sonicboy678 nooooo

[@RTTrainProductions]

I saw these in may 2015!

[@samreenhanif2542]

That was cool

[@kristinajendesen7111]

Nicely done! I detest most modern bus designs but these have style. Wish my hometown Bournemouth would bring back the wonderful trolleybuses; luckily old enough to remember going on them in the 60's. (Ex L.T. RM conductor and driver - Westbourne Park. Route 31👍).

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Thanks, re: the trolleybuses, Bournemouth is the only place where I ever travelled on a British trolleybus in normal service. I was very young at the time (aged 6!) and before the journey I made a fuss because I wanted to travel on a bus which had arms on its roof! Even then I understood how being electric meant that it did not emit any diesel fumes in the street. I too wish that trolleybuses were still used in the UK, rather than just the preserve of living museums, such as at Sandtoft and the East Anglia Transport Museum (EATM). As an aside, both of these museums have preserved Bournemouth trolleybuses (which sometimes carry passengers) and I have just placed approximately 25 photos of the open top Bournemouth trolleybus No.202 on my Flickr photostream - where I am user citytransportinfo

[@kristinajendesen7111]

citytransportinfo Exactly the same as me. Down on holidays in the 60s. Sadly by Black & White coaches changing to the Royal Blue and not via train to Bomo West via the S&D. Got to see the wonderful colour scheme of Oxford buses on the way though.

[@louiseblakey5047]

Kris Jenders ji

[@davidballantine8414]

Being a Born in Bournemouth lad I well remember our trolleybuses and almost cried when I heard they had gone for scrap Some of the new ones never even lasted 10 years

[@throwow1014]

They should make it triple deck that would be awesome

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

would be too tall to fit under the bridges -

[@ericcartman3551]

That would be the Knight bus from harry potter

[@TransportsSuisse05]

Good video

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Thank you :-)

[@TransportsSuisse05]

You're welcome

[@mahammad]

4:50 finally, a more powerful electric hybrid, the current ones barely run electric, mostly Diesel

[@helmyattia5764]

NICE. LONDON

[@kevinlau6372]

When will those new buses be available in Hong Kong?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

When a Hong Kong bus company asks to buy some of them!

[@casey9559]

So how many of these new busses have the back side door? It's iconic and shouldn't die

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

about 1000, with approximately half having an inward opening rear door (these are capable of travelling with the rear door open at all times) and the rest having the sliding rear door

[@RoobehTunes]

Didn't they used to have overhead lines for electric busses in the 50's?

[@Shunteration]

That was in Reading.

[@hamishc2445]

Can you use any door to get on or just front

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

with the SRM you use the front doors to board and middle doors to alight

[@gaetanbellavia8702]

Génial ces bus a imperial londonien top

[@jvc7777]

LOL THE GUY JUST WALKED UPSTAIRS

[@krashd]

That's what you do on a London bus, take a seat and wait for the conductor.

[@marcojim]

Are the bus number and destination displays electric or Physical plates?

[@MJofLakelandX]

Physical roll-signs. I don't understand why more TAs doesn't use it. Saves a lot of money.

[@marcojim]

***** personally, I prefer electric boards

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

London only uses traditional roller blinds. TfL do not like electronic displays, I think its because they seem as being less easy to read

[@Dosedmonkey]

citytransportinfo Yes some people with eye sight problems can not read LEDs, they are rapidly flashing on and off on the displays faster then humans can normally see, which is actually illegal in road traffic rules, only flashing indicators are allowed, and displays on police vehicles or road side lights. Other bus companies seem to have avoided the rule with scrolling text and such so far, but there is a lot about this on the internet.

[@MJofLakelandX]

The reason I prefer them. Both cheaper and easier to understand.