New Church (Swedenborgianism) vs Evangelical Christianity

Emanuel Swedenborg's Teachings are now taught by organizations like the General Church of the New Jerusalem and the Swedenborgian Church of America. What did he believe? And how does it compare with Evangelical Christianity?

[@ToadAppreciator]

Mind is still blown that Johnny Appleseed and Helen Keller were both followers of Swedenborg's teachings.

[@---zc4qt]

I read that Appleseed was a Modelist.

[@Homeostasis.Restored]

Appleseed was a Swedenborgian missionary.

[@Texan_Roy]

I’m still blown away that Chapman was a real person

[@AwesomeSauce696969]

I absolutely adore these comparison videos. I'm learning a lot. Thank you so much for laying out the facts.

[@janusroland]

New Church Swedenborgianism seems to be closer to my spiritual instinct than Evangelical Christianity.

[@maxipaw-dc5xj]

Me too

[@lilajagears8317]

No way.

[@GLad346]

Look into and become Catholic for the fullness of Truth

[@gregkelly2145]

@@GLad346 If the Catholic Church contains the 'fullness of Truth', why did the Church institute crusades, inquisitions, stake burnings, indulgences, restriction of the translation of God's word for millennia, imprisonment of scientists, etc.? If you're going to claim the Catholic Church does encompass the truth you have to own all of the horrible ungodly things the Church has done. I don't see those things as being reconcilable.

[@newshound64]

Swedenborg wrote about Heaven and Hell that people in the afterlife are put with people like their selves. For instance, peaceful, loving persons are put with similar people, and that is Heaven. In contrast, selfish, angry persons are put with persons like themselves, and that is Hell. That seems to me to make sense. What do you thihk?

[@wiseserpent]

Yeah agreed, and he referenced scripture more than probably any 3rd party commentary, at the very least more scripture than your local church 😛🤣 (seriously he was all about The Word, met the Word, taught the Word). Problem is humans always make a cult out of God's chosen lol. And humans LOVE hanging on to their religion! "In the resurrection they will be like the Angels." - Jesus Christ

[@NP4Mayans]

Makes total sense! Heck, we do that here on earth and call our like-minded groups "clubs, political parties, or even religions."

[@dissidentexpression8692]

Very good. Just lay out the facts and let people think for themselves. Refreshing.

[@slarkey4516]

Great channel! Greetings from Evangelical Church of Czech Brethren

[@hermes8258]

I like the way you elucidate without judging, leaving any conclusions up to the viewer. You present data, not opinions

[@ianpardue2615]

Emmanuel Swedenborg's doctrine of eternal marriage is similar to what St John Chrysostom wrote in the Letter to a Young Widow. It is also similar to what the Eastern Orthodox Church teaches about marriage continuing after death.

[@briandenison2325]

Swedenborg also believed people can marry in heaven.

[@MrRezillo]

@@briandenison2325 I wish I could convert to Islam and believe in Allah: 72 virgins would amuse me in Paradise for a few millenia. I'm not fussy; they don't have to be virgins.

[@conorthompson943]

@@briandenison2325 Can they not? How would you know?

[@chilternsroamer872]

The wonders of KZbin - I got a "get rich quick" advert in the middle of this presentation. The love of money pokes its nose in seemingly everywhere.

[@havenofear7033]

I GOT DETAILS FROM YOU NOT FOUND ELSEWHERE. BRAVO!

[@polemeros]

Simple and clear. I am struck by the similarities between Swedenborg, Joseph Smith and Sun Myung Moon.

[@thenowchurch6419]

That is because both Smith and Moon stole ideas from Swedenborg's writings.

[@wlinden]

Moon cribbed a lot from us.

[@thenowchurch6419]

@@wlinden That's right. A whole lot. The whole Eternal Heavenly Marriage principle for instance.

[@lewisswedenborg5287]

Mormonism seems to be a mix of Swedenborgian, Wesleyan, and Campbellite thought.

[@brexitannia9703]

Yes both Smith and Moon took some of Swedenborgs theology especially Joseph Smith who formed the Mormons

[@ElwoodPDowd1970]

For a religion with fewer than 2000 members, they sure have some nice looking church buildings. Or so Wikipedia informs me.

[@randomdogontheinternet3706]

My great great grandpa worked on the Bryn Athyn cathedral in Pennsylvania built by the Pitcairn family, it is a beautiful building it looks like a gothic medieval castle, fun fact the red stained glass in the building is the only red stained glass in the world that is actually red they hired a chemist to make the glass people actually try to steal it because nobody can recreate it.

[@yrobtsvt]

Many prominent intellectuals around 1890 became members. They have a church inside the Harvard campus

[@stevengunther9817]

@@randomdogontheinternet3706 I think you mean the Bryn Athyn cathedral built by Raymond Pitcairn. The striated ruby red glass had not been successfully made since the middle ages, and my great-grandfather was the one who discovered how to make it. He was not a chemist, but began working in the glass factory when he was 18 and took over running the operation 3 years later. He figured out how to make it through experimentation. He then trained others on how to do it, including men who went on to work on the stained glass for the National Cathedral in Baltimore. People now can recreate it because of my great grandfather's innovation, but at the time he was the only person on the planet who knew how to do it.

[@randomdogontheinternet3706]

@@stevengunther9817 that's amazing that your related to him. Also I have no clue how that auto corrected to that.

[@Magnulus76]

Hellen Keller was a follower of Swedenborgianism and a member of that church. So was "Johnny Appleseed".

[@Strotdaddy]

@15:10. This comparison chart is wrong in regards to Swedonborg's belief/understanding of hell. The various denominations of the the New Church i won't speak to but Swedenborg made it clear in numerous writings that hell IS a place of torment and suffering. See for example, Divine Providence #296: "Moreover, someone who introduces himself more interiorly and deeply into societies in [hell] becomes like one bound in chains. But as long as he lives in the world, he does not feel the chains. They are as though made of soft wool, or of delicate silk threads, which he loves because they titillate him. But after death those chains from being soft become hard, and from being titillating become biting."

[@NP4Mayans]

And Marley's ghost would agree. I think Charles Dickens' and his Christmas Carol were influenced by Swedenborg's writings.

[@rosehammer9482]

I’m finishing a book by RA Torrey where he mentions several different movements during his day like Christian Science New Thought Theosophy Unitarianism Modernism Spiritualism. I started to check to see who the founders of these groups were and threre you are with a video about him. I couldn’t help but think that we are seeing a movement today where people are reporting visions and seeing angels some even claiming to have seen Jesus and talked to him. Many believe the office of prophet and apostle continues and there is a five fold ministry. They don’t go by New Church but call the movement NAR. Anyway the issues RA Torrey was seeing and dealing with back then appear to be mixing with some evangelical circles today. Thank you for this video. I wish I had viewed it first. Your videos have saved me a lot of research.

[@aidanrileyaugustinebickel6552]

I was raised a very nominal Christian, finally got serious about religion a few years ago, and tried to find a Church to join. I actually considered joining the New Church for a couple of weeks, but eventually decided against it. I wound up a Catholic, but that's another story entirely.

[@DF-ei9kc]

Good for you me too

[@James_Wisniewski]

You made the right call. Welcome home. 😊

[@supergastonh]

Well, in the deep Swedenborg and Catholicism are not so far from each other, besides Trinity, purgatory and marriage. Salvation is in both trough actions, love and faith, just that un Swedenborg they are intertwained. Also is kind of more escentialist in what the "path" to Jesús is, claiming is not by name, but more the kind of love and true one seeks with the neighbor. I was kind of troubled with Catholicism because of the dogmathic nature, but agreeing in philosphy. I just find Swedenborg more arguing and its relieving

[@MrRezillo]

I love the Catholic Church. I joined it 8 years ago. Alas, my conversion didn't take; I tried being a believer but I'm too much of an atheist. I can't shut my rational mind off. There are a lot of good things about the Catholic Church: Confession, structured litturgy, daily examination of conscience (which I should be using), etc. I just can't make myself believe in a personal God. I've tried; also 30 years ago when I got "saved". The salvation didn't take; today I do battle with fundamentalism and stick up for the Catholic Church, which does a lot of good in this world.. Peace be with you, my friend.

[@supergastonh]

@@MrRezillo thats the sad truth. Faith does not fall from trees. I always wanted to believe truly, but in the end, where certainty should be, there is only desire. Maybe ny mind was estructured like that from childhood, I can't avoid doubt

[@WilliamofOckham990]

My first boyfriend’s family were Swedenborgians. They are really nice, spiritual and ecumenical people and my mother still sees them all the time.

[@---zc4qt]

"spiritual"?

[@Michaelmuq]

Great video, thank you for making it

[@pierreleppan4867]

Its amazing how much closer he was to Eastern Orthodox beliefs... I think the comparison implies a more godly kind and loving peoples to Evangelical Christianity which Ive been part off

[@thedrj8202]

He may have been close in emphasis on behavior and atonement theory, but they couldn’t be further apart in trinitarian theology

[@libertyboi5548]

It is often said that Swedenborg and Kierkegaard may have had an affinity for Eastern Orthodoxy had they been familiar/more familiar with it. The PanENtheism of the Esse and the whole idea of salvation through a proper direction of one's love toward the infinite and true rather than the temporal as a fundamental principle just draws a lot of parallels all over the place.

[@brexitannia9703]

Well done once again you have done a good research on The Church of the new Jerusalem. BTW... Emanuel Swedenborg predicted his own death on March 29th 😊 Merry Christmas.!

[@jodinim6508]

Very interesting beliefs! I've heard of Swedenborg, as an influence of Joseph Smith. Good video.

[@Michaelmuq]

I'm a catholic that studies and follows the New Church

[@BostonsVeryOwn.]

then please leave the catholic church. The catholic doctrine has already been stablished and we already got our teachings and understandings. The new church is a wolf in the sheep’s clothing. Learn your church’s history and dogmas.

[@jungefrau]

The father of William & Henry James was a swedenborgian and his beliefs had very strong (not in a positive way) influences on all his children. He held that all disease had a spiritual origin and emotional problems were caused by dark influences on the person's spirit.

[@WilliamofOckham990]

William James is one of the greatest American philosophers, what are you talking about?

[@libertyboi5548]

Sounds more like Christian Science than Swedenborgianism. Sadly Swedenborgianism and American Transcendentalism got twisted into the more negative aspects of New Thought.

[@nelsonstiveens5140]

Hola, ¿Podrías resumir las creencias de la Nueva Iglesia Apostólica o movimiento de Edward Irving? ¿También de la iglesia del recobro de Witness Lee, la Sociedad Misionero Mundial de Corea, la Iglesia de Dios Todopoderoso China, La iglesia de Dios Universal o Armstrongismo del Israelismo Británico, Las iglesias espiritualistas trinitarias Marianas o Eliasismo, las Asambleas de Yawhew, The last reformation y la iglesia la luz del mundo?

[@helidriein]

Warum??

[@benjaminpendleton7797]

If anyone wants to understand New Church (Swedenborgian) doctrine, the book True Christian Religion is a great place to start..

[@javindhillon6294]

That's MODALISM , PATRICK!

[@TurtleMarcus]

The Swedenborgian view of God is somewhat obtuse. Swedenborg talks about a Trinity in the one Person of Jesus Christ, and compares the Father to soul, the Son to the body, and the Holy Spirit to actions. If anything, Swedenborgianism could be considered Partialist (i.e. God has multiple parts) and they explicitly reject the doctrine of Divine Simplicity.

[@dandugo2020]

I literally, said that out loud before reading your comment.

[@javindhillon6294]

@@TurtleMarcusThat's a fair point 👍🏽

[@hya2in8]

it's interesting to note that angels being people who went to heaven is a popular sort of "folk theology" among christians without theological education, like how people say "heaven gained another angel" in response to a loved one dying, or basically any pop culture depiction of heaven

[@brettmajeske3525]

The idea that angels are the righteous dead is not unique to Swedenborgism. Highway to Heaven and It's a Wonderful Life both espouse this view, as do many Mormon denominations.

[@parker_chess]

I'm a Latter-day Saint and we definitely believe those resurrected in the Celestial Kingdom are made angels and gods. It is dependent on the covenants they made with God in the temple and whether they were sealed to their husband or wife. We know through the modern day prophets that exaltation to become like God is something we can't do on our own. It's through the sealing power and Christ's infinite atoning sacrifice and grace that this is possible.

[@hermenutic]

Thanks for presenting this. My experience with Christianity was revived after I encountered the thoughts of Swedenborg. I'm not a member of any. Church.

[@EmberMusic000]

A huge portion of lay evangelicals and baptists I've met in the rural U.S. believe humans recieve wings in heaven or that their relatives become guardian angels and can watch over the living.

[@RhenishHelm]

I kind of get why Swedenborg cut out the OT books - it appears that he came to this conclusion through Jesus' words in Luke 24.44, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me." Therefore, Swedenborg took the Torah, Nevi'im, and the book of Tehillim (Psalms), and rejected the rest of the Ketuvim, except for Lamentations, which has historically been associated as the work of Prophet Jeremiah and the book of Daniel, which in the western tradition is considered a work of major prophesy. An Evangelical defense for this verse would be that Jesus was referring to the entirety of the Ketuvim when he called it "Psalms," since the name "Ketuvim" may not have been widely used in his day. It was a common Jewish practice to refer to whole books or groups of books by that which begins them (take for example the quotation from Zechariah attributed to Jeremiah in Matthew 27.9-10 or the names of the books of the Torah in Hebrew being each one's first word: Bereshit, Shemot, Wayiqra, Bemidbar, Devarim).

[@FearlessWisdom]

Love Swedenborgianism! As a Mahayana Buddhist, I find their teachings very much similar to ours, in fact it seems more like Mahayana buddhism than Christianity in some cases.

[@liyura8907]

Very curious to know what it is that you find similar, would you mind sharing?

[@yvonnereid1656]

I love Swedenborg, I believe he told the truth. I'm currently reading Heaven and Hell and watch Off The Left Eye. God bless you all on your journey of this world.

[@pierreleppan4867]

Try George MacDonald " Unspoken Sermons"

[@spiritual_sunshine_]

Nice work!

[@Homeostasis.Restored]

The Christian Mysticism of historical figures such as Origen and Angelus Silesius is where the New Church and Roman Catholicism overlap in likeness. Look at what Origen said about dashing infants against stones. Swedenborg, centuries later, indicates a similar esoteric divine meaning is extracted by the spiritual sight of those regenerated in Christ.

[@parker_chess]

Will you make a video on Latter-Day Saints? I'm a member of the church and feel like we are often ignored despite having over 16 million members and meetinghouses and temples all over the world.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

I have one video later this year on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. More in the future.

[@BostonsVeryOwn.]

leave the latter day saints, mormonism is of the devil.

[@AChapman1997]

Can you do extinct denominations like the Glasites?

[@hermes8258]

Why in one of your other videos, Ellen White "had visions," but in this one, Swedenborg "claimed to have visions"?

[@news_internationale2035]

"I am Locutus of Swedenborgianism; resistance is futile."

[@lukesalazar9283]

Lol

[@ToadAppreciator]

lmao

[@TVHouseHistorian]

The beliefs “New Church” are founded on sound very similar to a sect called “The Church” who uses their own Bible called “The Recovery Version. They also have their own lauded guru (either Witness Lee or Watchman Nee) who they claim possessed the correct interpretation of the Bible.

[@Fire_soul1796]

Wait...so, Johnny Appleseed was a real person!?!? 😳

[@ToadAppreciator]

John Chapman was his real name.

[@Jane20121985]

Johnny Appleseed is well known about here in metro-Fort Wayne but I didn't know he was preaching Swedenborg stuff.

[@---zc4qt]

I read somewhere that the view of heaven, shown in the movie "What Dreams May Come", was taken from Swedenborgianism.

[@waynekasmar4401]

Swedenborg affirmed the need for rebirth. He called it regeneration. But before a baby is born it first has to form in the womb. So a reborn person has to first go through a gestation period during which he is reformed - his life has to outwardly conform to God's Commandments. And starting this whole process off is the re-conception.This is a repentance that isn't just a notion in the mind but a heartfelt realisation and acknowledgement that all good and truth originates in God, and of himself the person is motivated by nothing but evil, lies and deception. When a person is regenerated they have a new heart. They now love to do the will of God. So the article quoted saying all you have to do is live well and believe rightly and you'll be saved is not accurate unless your heart is truly in living a spiritual life and believing truth.

[@morbier4863]

Evangelicals teach that doing good things to obtain salvation condems people to hell??!😮 Seriously?? I'm from part of the world where there are not many evangelicals, I'm mostly familiar with catholic, orthodox, lutheran and calvinistic churches, those american spiritual movements are quite exotic to me and I hear for the first time that doing works make you damnable. Are there really some denominations that teach that? I get protestant idea of faith alone, but faith alone=/=doing works sends you to hell.

[@gregruland1934]

Several books? 17 - 7 million words

[@TurtleMarcus]

Swedenborg's teaching on "the Lord's Divine Human" reminds me of "Adam Kadmon", the Divine Pre-existent Man, and important concept in Jewish Kabbalah and Western esotericism. I wonder if someone has written something on that.

[@connorlongaphie]

Do Old Catholic church

[@pestoriusj]

It's interesting to me that some of Swedenborg's ideas are technically inaccurate expressions of good doctrine.

[@mi_go5038]

Swedenborg is extremely logical. More than the Bible. I do not belirve in original sin.

[@Homeostasis.Restored]

Compare Catholic Erasmus to Swedenborg. "Consider as the devil all things that deter you from Christ and his teaching." ~ Desiderius Erasmus "If you do not abstain from sin, then you are still in it; and sin is the Devil." ~ Volume 2 of True Christianity 567:4 (Rose Translation)

[@roxannebiesterfeld7801]

I just learned about this via Finding your Roots. I was thrilled as this mirrors my beliefs as I have fallen from organized Christianity of today!

[@davidstout6051]

Seems that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young might have had considerable exposure to Swedenborg’s thought.

[@Eric777-71]

Salvation comes by Grace through Faith and that not of works lest any man should boast,

[@MrAdik861]

Emanuel Swedenborg also wrote about spirits/angels from other planets, and that he supposedly contacted them. And by other planets I mean the 5 in our Solar system (known before the discovery of Uranus) plus the Moon, and 5 planets beyond. Back then of course no one knew that all known planets beyond Earth are completely uninhabitable (we know this only since the middle of the 20th century). Modern Swedenborgians are trying to somehow explain these problems.

[@wlinden]

SCNA has abandoned the practice of rebaptism. I was (re)confirmed.

[@gomerpyle7721]

Mormonism has a lot of Swendenborg principals in it. Joseph taught a lot about multiple levels of heaven etc.

[@parker_chess]

Right on! We believe in the degrees of glory and people will mostly end up with others who are like them. So the murders, thieves, and people who live in Sin and do not accept the Gospel will belong to the lowest degree the telestial kingdom. Those who make covenants with God which starts a baptism and repent of their sins will inherit the celestial kingdom. And those who were generally good people but they never accepted the fullness of the gospel will enter into the Terrestrial Kingdom.

[@wlinden]

The General Church does not ordain women either, regardless of who they sleep with.

[@dwaynesbadchemicals]

Not even if they sleep with the Pope?

[@royengstrom4135]

Way back in the early 1960's my sister dated a "preacher's son" of an Evangelical church. His mother wasn't allowed lo preach, yet she wrote her passive husband's sermons. She would have been a cutting-edge feminist today, down to having the Pedo beliefs of a certain dead Supreme Court Justice. "Old enough to bleed, old enough to Breed" was her favorite saying. Most "Evangelical Churches" today are converged at their top levels to go along with most of of the Socialist/Commie Narratives, including actually saying "some abortions are okay." Fems preaching are minor compared to much of the crap being done.

[@hermanstrydom3519]

Are they somehow related to the New Apostolic Church?

[@TurtleMarcus]

No. The New Apostolic Church is a denomination in the Irvingite tradition, a Restorationist movement which started in the national churches of Great Britain in the 19th century. This should not be confused with the New Apostolic Reformation, which is a movement in Pentecostal and Charismatic Christianity which started around the year 2000.

[@aaronsaunders6974]

first church i heard of with the option of rebaptism. and why deny adam

[@wiseserpent]

"In the Resurrection they will be like the Angels." - Jesus Christ "As He is so are You in this world (speaking of the Son)." - Bible. "You entertain Angels without realising it." - Bible

[@rev.stephena.cakouros948]

Jose[h Smith of he Mormons wove some of hos ideas into LDS Church doctrine. Swedenborg deleted all the epistles of Paul from his own canon because he rejected his doctrine of Justification by faith. SW was quite mad and would even break off conversing to listen to or speak with angels.

[@dwaynesbadchemicals]

Do Gnostic next!

[@Michaelmuq]

Great video

[@lewisswedenborg5287]

A great visionary! Love him!

[@blue62show]

I think it only fair to say that blanketedly universalism and evangelicalism are misrepresented by doing so. I don't know about SB.

[@westvirginiaglutenfreepepp7006]

Is the person who writes Family Circus a Swedenborgian? He has dead people as angels in his comic strip

[@ReadyToHarvest]

The idea of dead people being angels seems somehow to be built-in to the American lore of loosely religious people.

[@yourwordistruth1076]

People always get off track with “new revelations”. Just trust the Bible, Gods word that He has chosen to reveal to us, all we need for salvation and godliness.

[@PokerMonkey]

Jesus created One Church. See Matt 16:18. The pillar and foundation of truth, see 1 Tim 3:15. and the Final Authority, see Matt 18:15-17. All Protestant churches are Man made. They are all 500 years old, 400, 300, 200, 100, 50, 20, or last week, depending on who started them. If you don't like the preacher's preaching (since that's what Protestant churches are all about), you can just go down the road to another one, or even rent a storefront and start your own "Church of What's Hapnin Now".... In 107AD, St Ignatius of Antioch, a Bishop in Jesus's One Church, wrote a letter calling it "Catholic" or Universal. The name stuck. The people in his Church were united in their beliefs and teachings for 1500 years, as commanded by Jesus in John 17:20-21 and by Paul in 1 Cor 1:10. Along came people like Martin Luther, John Calvin, Henry VIII, and others and what do we have today? Thousands upon thousands of man made Protestant (as in Protest), denominations, all believing different doctrines and beliefs, yet all reading the same (incomplete) Bible, all interpreting and misinterpreting it wrongly. Examples of non-biblical man made beliefs : the Bible Alone, Faith Alone, Once Saved Always Saved, a merely symbolic Baptism, and there are plenty more.

[@BostonsVeryOwn.]

Amen brother. People are so delusional and are easily led astray.

[@GLad346]

based

[@benjamindechazal4875]

2:32 It is not accurate to say Swedenborgianism shares the view of the trinity that oneness pentecostals have. We affirm the existence of the trinity within the one person of Jesus Christ. You will also find that this is not modalism either. God does not switch between three forms, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God all at once all the time.

[@perilousrange]

Do you feel it would be fair to describe the Swedenborg view of the Trinity as "aspectal-ism"? That's not somebody else's analysis; it's mine, based upon what I've read thus far.

[@andygot3176]

I am posting for a censored voice (The Rooted Word www.youtube.com/@TheRootedWord): "3:20 depends on what you mean by "body". If you mean also that which is contained in the body, as in sin, then Jesus' body was indeed different, having never known sin. Our bodies which have known sin are different indeed from Jesus' body. Sin leaves its mark on the physical body and is so intricately tied to it that it is referred to as the flesh or carnality. I know this has been obscured in recent decades in the Evangelical churches, but I am sure if pressed they will acknowledge this is true."

[@VHM1313]

Swedenborg’s beliefs are indeed an interesting separation from the mainstream.

[@GLad346]

thats a new way to say heretical

[@VHM1313]

@@GLad346 Not when you're agnostic.

[@brianphillips5576]

There is a Way.... God's Way. Jesus showed us the Way. If God's Word is inspired by God then the rhemas can be trusted as a way to live. The church is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets... Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief Cornerstone.

[@josiahjudah3126]

The problem with the new church, it appears far from what Jewish Christians of the 1st century knew and practice. In hebrew terms, they appears like the samaritans, who only accepts the torah as scriptures, not the wisdom books or the prophets... Also, only Yeshua is the way, the truth, and the life. We are saved by faith and end with faith, we do good because we love Yeshua. Also, there is no marriage in heaven as per Yeshua

[@supergastonh]

So, I suppose that a muslim toddler that dies rolled over in Asia goes right to hell cause it never heard about Jesús Christ

[@josiahjudah3126]

@@supergastonh You know the story of Samuel Morris? Or the response of Paul the Apostle to this question? The relationship is personal btw, thus we cannot truly say that one goes to hell right away - unless you limit the infinite power of God. Also islam is a bad example, they have a Yeshua figure. Now you have heard Jesus Christ, what would you do?

[@supergastonh]

@@josiahjudah3126 Don't prompt vaguely the subject like a snob. Adress it directly. The issue is not wether I ve seen Jesis or not, is about the randomness of the world and what faith only implies with that and how that ends with injustice. And no, Mahoma does not count ir it's only trough Christ. Mahoma would be a false prophet that deviants people from the true path.

[@josiahjudah3126]

@@supergastonh The world is never random, sience and math can attest to that. My answer to you is simple... read Paul and Isaiah, seek and you will find. Mohamed is indeed a false prophet. The claim of Jesus Christ is simple, He is the only way and the truth, and He is one with the Father. Either Mohamed or Yeshua is the truth, cannot be both, the other is a liar. I choose where the evidence leads me.. Yeshua.

[@judahslion5611]

@@josiahjudah3126 Amen, brother. Well spoken.

[@johnmcguire4635]

Bro, Johnny Appleseed

[@alanmilnes1264]

I love how you carefully expose heresy without having to use the word 🙂

[@michaelseay9783]

Maybe you should go look in the mirror before accusing.

[@liljs4189]

@@michaelseay9783i think that’s one of the things all branches of Christianity have in common: that they’d definitely consider “the new church” heretical

[@libertyboi5548]

@@liljs4189 On the issue of the trinity, yeah, there's no getting around that. The rest is easily debatable and Swedenborg's ethics are almost a simplified version of those found in many High Church theologies.

[@Necroman98]

You'll never know will you? You just make faith based assumptions like everyone else.

[@bkr_418]

That’s modalism Patrick!

[@billyhw5492]

I can't decide whether Swedenborgianism or True Jesus Church is the one, true religion.

[@Juan-gd1wd]

Neither

[@BostonsVeryOwn.]

go to the apostolic churches, Orthodox, Assyrian, or Roman Catholic

[@billyhw5492]

@@BostonsVeryOwn. Thanks, but I've decided on Christadelphianism on Sundays but will still attend the Shaker dance revival on Wednesdays. This is the only way to be saved, as Jesus intended.

[@Juan-gd1wd]

@@billyhw5492 Lord Have mercy..

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

In simpler terms, for those of you who do not know, he believed in Modalism! By which means that God functions differently in each persona of the treasury obviously and on biblical doctrine.

[@leewoofenden]

No, Swedenborg did not believe in modalism. This is a common error among people who have not studied and understood Swedenborg's doctrine of the Trinity. Swedenborg rejected Sabellian modalism just as much as he rejected the Nicene Trinity of Persons.

[@TurtleMarcus]

It's not that simple, and Swedenborg's view cannot easily be described by a pre-existing "ism". He does believe in a Trinity - that is, a Trinity in the one Person Jesus Christ, where the Father is like the body, the Son is like the soul, and the Holy Spirit is like actions. My reading is that Swedenborgianism rejects Divine Simplicity and affirms that God has "multiple parts" in some sense.

[@lienchase2301]

Thanks God revealing himself to Swedenborg. However, if sin was not happening, will evil happen? If sin was not happening, will people worship God? I see addressing evil but don't recognize sin is illogical. The reason why he doesn't start a church was probably he worried about some observations could be opinions since no human beings are perfect: again, that's sin. Also what does it exactly mean "good life" in his opinion? 😂

[@libertyboi5548]

He believes in sin, but has a different understanding of original sin from Evangelical Christians. It's not accurate to say he rejects it. To swedenborg, Original Sin is man's propensity to ignore goodness and truth, and harm himself and others in pursuit of material things he is attracted to and whatnot. This stems from man's fundamentally finite nature.

[@FAFJAPPDAPP]

Swedenborg is so kind. I love it.

[@RepublicofE]

Christian orthodoxy holds that Christ is still human even now.

[@sigalsmadar4547]

I don't think so. When He resurrected, he went back to His immortal body, as we will get as Paul states in 1 Cor 15:50-58. Human bodies don't pass through walls or ascend to Heaven.

[@jacobt.murphy2054]

@@sigalsmadar4547 How then could he show the wounds of his death on the cross to St. Thomas? Jesus is fully God & fully man eternally

[@thisulwickramarachchi2380]

@@sigalsmadar4547 ofcourse human bodies may not be able to pass thru walls or reach heaven... But our astral bodies can... I think that scripture is just stating the "phyiscal" body of a human... Swedenborg went to heaven thru his astral body

[@sigalsmadar4547]

@@jacobt.murphy2054 Who says an immortal body does not have scars from the time of mortality?

[@sigalsmadar4547]

@@thisulwickramarachchi2380 Hmmm, I'd say that's pretty unBiblical. Try just studying the Word of God itself.

[@perrywashington7061]

I love Swedenborg!

[@yvonnereid1656]

Me too. I believe him

[@stevecampanelli6009]

Swedenborg had alot of truth but he was Decived this is why your not supposed to enter spiritual realms by astral projection he went through a separate gate therefore spirits decived him like Paul being in hell familiar spirits are real

[@yvonnereid1656]

He wasn't deceived. He went into the spiritual world in his dreams and was permitted by the Lord to do so. I urge you to read his books

[@stevecampanelli6009]

@@yvonnereid1656 he often used astral projection to get there not dreams

[@yvonnereid1656]

@@stevecampanelli6009 ok

[@soarel325]

I think it’s more likely that Swedenborg was either hallucinating or making things up than him having interactions with genuine spirits, good or evil.

[@stevenator0281]

I am not understanding what you are attempting to do with your channel. You seem to be operating from the perspective that Evangelicalism is correct. I have seen little to no evidence that this is the case.

[@emilybach]

It's just a comparison to mainstream evangelicalism. Joshua stays very neutral in presenting the facts of both and he didn't say one was right or wrong. Just letting people know what others believe.

[@1odham]

Your research is somewhat spotty on both ends. As reformed Protestants, evangelical or not, we don’t believe that doing good works to save your soul. Will get you in to help. We just know that that is not the way to get into Heaven.

[@cloudman1229]

Swedenborg underrated

[@tylerjornov]

Sounds like Mormonism, Catholicism and The Good Place got all combined together. Plus a sprinkle of universalism?

[@DF-ei9kc]

You don’t know much about Catholicism then

[@scottanderson9382]

Evangelical "christianity" is heretical in that it says, as you put it, all one simply needs to do is believe, when our Lord Jesus (as well as Peter, Paul, John, and James) plainly says we also have remain in Him by obeying His commandments and endure to the end -- the end being death and the last judgment. In preaching against the necessity of remaining in Jesus, the evangelical movement is leading a lot of people away from Jesus and thus to Hell and damnation. The problem with Swedenborg's gospel -- even more heretical than evangelicalism -- is that he thinks we just have to do good according to our own conscience, a very humanistic approach and certainly not even in Christ to begin with, let alone remaining in Him. For this reason, Swedenborg is farther along the spectrum of heresy. But nonetheless, both evangelicalism and Swedenborg are wrong. And really they are on the same spectrum, for in the "just me and my Bible" and "all I need is my own faith" mentality of evangelicals, they essentially put themselves on the humanistic spectrum of Swedenborg, who claims we just follow our own conscience. In both evangelical heresy and Swedenborg heresy, the fundamental assumption is that each individual man gets to decide what God says, not God or His Church, whether through interpreting the Bible for oneself (evangelicalism) or simply following one's own conscience (Swedenborg). Both these positions are lacking dependence on Jesus Christ and His Church that He established and relying more on human efforts. The truth is, the Bible teaches us to be obedient and to be zealous for holiness, remaining in our Lord Jesus and His commandments. Read 2 Peter and you will see that the gospel is not protestant. Peter says, "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation." And so says Paul... "as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."

[@libertyboi5548]

Swedenborg points out that salvation through faith and salvation through acts both fall short. Many Christians who hold that salvation comes from mere faith have this belief that all people are inherently worthy of hell and the only source of salvation is a literal belief in jesus. If you don't have that, straight to hell with you. This also implies that you can do whatever the hell you want and just believe and magically be saved, or be internally very selfish and materialistic, but as long as you externally express belief (or act in a way that appears good), you're saved. To Swedenborg, it's what's inside that matters. Your deepest love will guide you to heaven or hell. Evangelical theology doesn't seek to change your internal state because they tend to believe it can't be salvaged whatsoever, so it doesn't encourage salvation.

[@parker_chess]

Are you a Latter-Day Saint?

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

Locutus of Swedenborg.

[@happierabroad]

The Swedenborg version is a lot more positive and fair of course, and sounds more credible too, especially since we know who Swedenborg was whereas the authors of the Bible were mostly anonymous and dubious.

[@b.l.8755]

It is designed to appeal to post-enlightenment Americans.

[@nasimagdam2723]

@@b.l.8755 when you say designed, do you mean designed by God, or some secret organization, or by Swedenborg?

[@sigalsmadar4547]

🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️ Listen to a couple of lectures by Daniel Wallace.

[@yvonnereid1656]

@@nasimagdam2723 it doesn't sound like you know anything about Swedenborg

[@nasimagdam2723]

@@yvonnereid1656 says the witch

[@cementplant3441]

Swedenborg was a bit of a nutter

[@hughsalter7769]

I've read swedenborg book heaven and hell and he said their are three levels of each and the people in hell keep their eyes on their sin and people in heavenkeep their eyes on Christ please read Heaven and hell

[@lavieenrose0323]

Do you think his Christian faith follows the true Christianity? I was studying william blake, and trying to find if Blake's christian faith was right or heretical.

[@perilousrange]

Heaven and Hell 472 is probably my favorite paragraph. To anyone reading this... It's available online as a PDF, for free.

[@woody1320]

Nothing "New" about these groups, just a slightly different packaging of old heresies.

[@silenciummortum2193]

This guy was a lunatic.

[@patrickdwts]

Where is your proof?

[@silenciummortum2193]

@@patrickdwtsHis heresy.

[@crosisofborg5524]

He is Borg

[@Zacharoni4085]

Eye-opening.

[@MadMax31577]

I was just wondering. I’ll stick with traditional Christianity

[@pinkroses135]

I want to level up and become an alien though

[@donaldsmith6814]

I'll have what ever he was drinking!

[@sigalsmadar4547]

This cult gets weirder and weirder by the minute.

[@waynekasmar4401]

When you get to fully learn what all these ideas in Swedenborg's writings are about you start to think the other ideas that are in circulation are the strange ones. They make that much sense, and not just on the subjective level of the mind but also on the objective one. That's something that is unique, in my experience, among religions or spiritual philosophies. Still, as explained in the video, it's not so much what you think that saves you. It comes down to living a spiritual life (provided your motivation is unselfish love in the heart).

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

@@waynekasmar4401 Swedenborg’s material was all channeled. He later admitted that the “angels” that spoke to him would often lie ...and wanted people that are deceptive. All cults seem to “make sense” to the devotees.....

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

**He WARNED people that the spirits were deceptive.

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

Yes. The New J church was basically the New Age cult of the 1800’s ...still preaching one world religion and moral relativism of the satanists.

[@waynekasmar4401]

@@theyliveyousleep8965 The evangelic Christian definition of a cult is what everybody else calls a sect.