The Mysterious Religion behind the Yellow Deli

[@ogloc6308]

Another “everyone else got it wrong for the past 1900+ years, but we got it right”

[@ReturnToNormal777]

Yeah, just like the Mormon church!

[@IrelandVonVicious]

Well it hasn't been that long. It's closer to 1500 years wrong. That is what caused the first schism.

[@joshleggett4551]

The true church was established decades ago 😂

[@seantolson6223]

⁠@@IrelandVonViciousexcept the Great Schism, the Coptic-Orthodox schism, the Adoptionists, the Judaizers, etc.

[@austinblankenship7631]

Its why pascal's wager doesn't work, for every system that exists within his wager there's one that says you'll go to hell for believing it. So just a friendly reminder to use epistemology and ontology as your apologetic framework

[@MAMoreno]

A Restorationist mindset is always a red flag. It's one thing to believe that things need to get back on track, but it's another to consider yourself the gritty reboot of Christianity.

[@tonyu5985]

Restoration movement started in 1790 and his still going on today in the USA.

[@Compulsive-Elk7103]

We're talking to you Mormons , Jehovah witnesses , SDA, etc

[@MAMoreno]

@@RustyMadd Believing that Christianity has to be restarted from scratch sounds EXTREMELY apostate.

[@ElessarofGondor]

Doesn’t it require a different reading of Jesus saying that the gates of Hell wouldn’t prevail over his Church as well? I don’t get how restorationists deal with that passage.

[@MAMoreno]

@@ElessarofGondor Yes. The standard Protestant answer to that question is simple enough. After all, the German churches that followed Luther may have modified their beliefs, but they were preexisting congregations doing what they considered to be a course correction. Anglicans have an even easier time reconciling the matter, as they hold to apostolic succession. It's one thing to say that you've steered the boat back to where it was in the past (even if the Orthodox and Catholics remain unconvinced). It's another thing to burn the boat and begin constructing your own vessel in the middle of the sea.

[@Tallandstrong45]

I live in Chattanooga and have been to the original deli many times. The food is great, the people are sweet, and the cult is to be pitied.

[@daisydee3148]

Thanks. It is a cult indeed.

[@clayshrader9477]

True

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

Why do you say it is a cult? Mind you I grew up Catholic.

[@clayshrader9477]

@@historyandhorseplaying7374 they live together in a commune they were founded by a charismatic leader. They claim they are the only ones with the truth. Classic cult in every sense. They do make good sandwiches I'll give them that lol

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

@clayshrader9477 you are describing most Christian denominations when they started, and the original leader is dead. I need more than just "trust me bro, they're a cult"

[@AlphaShark]

I like how they say they exclusively follow the words of the Bible, yet the Bible never says: "If you leave Christianity you can only communicate with your family again through your father." So many flags on the field for this group you can't even see the turf anymore. Definitely a cult, and people to be wary of.

[@tjenadonn6158]

More red flags than a communist rally. Honestly a bit surprised to see this channel covering it: I'd consider it to be fully on the cult side of things with groups like Children of God/The Family International, Gloriavale, the various fundamentalist Mormon sects that are still polygamous. This channel typically stays more to the mainstream of things, or at least to the normalized weird like the Seventh-Day Adventists and Swedenborgians.

[@stevehowes9598]

I lived there for 11 years. They are great people and the most sincere and devoted people I know. Literally the only stone I can throw is at the “ We are the only true Church “ But surprisingly their theology is impeccable besides that

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@tjenadonn6158 I think he covers all groups that claim any relationship with Christianity.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@stevehowes9598 Uh, how about at least one stone for their beliefs about black people?

[@stevehowes9598]

@@KingoftheJuice18 Have you ever studied the curse of and the descendants of Cham ?

[@marcodesalud7034]

Have to love people learning 3 or 4 Hebrew words and then deploying them in such an impressive way...that's how you know they're legit.

[@MrMarlowe3488]

the real chad move is to be mormon and just make up your own

[@marcodesalud7034]

@@JohnnyRep-hz5qh in order to feel good, I will assume yours was not sarcasm.

[@freedomclub6969]

Not to mention no one calls Jesus "Yashuah". It's Yeshua' or Yishua'.

[@marcodesalud7034]

@@JohnnyRep-hz5qh Well, if you want to take it up a level, it's Hebrew. If you want to go even higher, then Aramaic is probably maximally impressive. Of course, peaking them all would be Spanish, the language we will be speaking in eternity.

[@freedomclub6969]

Because no important Jew would name their child something they would not have an alphabet for pronouncing?...@@JohnnyRep-hz5qh

[@serion9325]

I first encountered the Twelve Tribes in 2013 when they owned a ship called Peacemaker. The people were very interesting, and no one tried to convert me. I had dinner and prayed with them a couple of times while they were in port. I still hear from one of the former members I met there. There was a very strong sense of community and working towards a common goal which I admired. I also learned a few things about how to get high quality food from wholesale markets and cooking for large groups.

[@karenrollins9578]

It’s okay to not regret going. But definitely be thankful to God in heaven that you didn’t stay

[@jamesreed5678]

Some cults teach their members not to try to convert others because it invites ridicule on the cultist's beliefs. "What did you say Jesus' name really is? Show me that in the Bible." LOL Their website says the Bible gives an "inaccurate" name for Jesus..

[@ClassyWhale]

Not gonna lie, living on a communal farm with a bunch of other believers and homeschooling our kids while consistently eating healthy sounds pretty cool. This is not the way to do it.

[@PerpetualJoy]

I wish there was more like minded religious communal living options that weren't tied to weird doctrines. It sounds like it would be nice

[@Kova-ow2en]

@@PerpetualJoyeven as an atheist, I must admit it does sound rather relaxing. Living a less stressful and demanding lifestyle where people help out one another and aren’t just greedy materialistic hedonists

[@Icemario87]

​@@Kova-ow2enThe Amish seem to be OK.

[@frederickbarbarossa7961]

Yes, like why can't I have that, but Catholic?

[@kevinclass2010]

The Amish are pretty much the same but anabaptist

[@DamonNomad82]

Sounds like someone took the Hippie movement, the Seventh Day Adventists and the Hebrew Roots movement and threw them into a blender to come up with this group...

[@marcodesalud7034]

ha, nice! And so accurate. Maybe a sprinkle of Branch Davidians on top.

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

@@marcodesalud7034 Yep. "Your women belong to me"-- David Koresh

[@drmich1]

I was thinking the same thing… plus the socialist lifestyle of the kibbutz

[@TheMVCoho]

Its basically just 1970s hippies rewarmed with a handful of Hebrew words and a side of hummus. Not that complicated.

[@TheSchmuel]

BOOM- you nailed it

[@drkickyoface]

I'm a Chattanooga native and I eat at the yellow deli on a somewhat regular basis. The people there are just about some of the nicest you'll ever meet, they never try to convert you and only bring up their faith if you ask about it and I think because of that most people around here (including me) thought they were a sect of Judaism not a branch off Christianity. All in all though the sentiment I hear from everyone I've talked to about them seems to be "yeah they're kinda... odd, but they're incredibly kind people and they make a killer sandwich so they're fine by me"

[@webstercat]

Exactly. They are living as they want & satisfying your desire for a good meal. It’s not Compton.

[@rachelrolltide3106]

They abuse their kids.

[@oneproudbrowncoat]

Well, Jesus*was* a Jew, after all.

[@carolinekoen2414]

I lived in a similar cult. We had a great public face-- musical performances for cruise ships, popular bookstore/cafe, but the abuse happened behind closed doors. And I am sure the same is true with this group.

[@Lilly2Gbtg]

@@rachelrolltide3106 that’s quite an accusation. How do you know this?

[@ststrength5044]

They have a yellow deli up here in Canada (Chilliwack, British Columbia). I ate there once and had no idea it was a religious community until we discovered pamphlets in the restaurant. I will say the food was really good.

[@cathy3546]

Yes, their food was excellent.

[@enduser8410]

All I know about this group is that Appalachian trail hikers have a very negative view of them and warn of their predatory behavior when trying to attract hikers as members.

[@zacharycurrie3708]

Imagine describing selling healthy food as "predatory" behaviour

[@enduser8410]

@@zacharycurrie3708 No, I've heard stories of hikers being approached by them, being vague in offering free food and lodge, only to be pressed into participating in functions to people's surprise. It doesn't help knowing many hikers are often strapped for cash or foreigners, so it's telling why they target possibly hungry and tired travelers and tourists who are not familiar with the area.

[@marcodesalud7034]

@@zacharycurrie3708 Imagine using healthy food to mask your predatory behavior. So much imagining!

[@Mike_W78]

Yeah my wife’s family is from a town with one of these. One of her childhood friends got sucked into it. He is one of the leaders now and it has its perks. He gets a car and cellphone the only in the community. He runs the yellow deli and a hostel upstairs that’s free to hikers if they work a shift in the kitchen. They are outwardly very nice people but the women and children don’t seem happy unless an outside is nearby. It’s very male dominated.

[@SR-zc6lk]

@@Mike_W78Feminist alert 🚨

[@legodavid9260]

I had a friend visit us recently who was part of one of those communities for a while. Listening him talk about his experience in the group was very interesting. I've been curious about finding out more about the 12 Tribes group since, however I wasn't able to find any good information anywhere. This video was very helpful!

[@Icemario87]

You cannot leave. How did he leave?

[@fingerlakesWatcher]

My hometown cult! I'm from Chattanooga. My parents were always very leery of us even having lunch at the Yellow Submarine without them. Very interesting story - and characteristically well-told.

[@AthelstanKing]

Not a cult tho

[@BalderOdinson]

@@AthelstanKing By the anthropological definition, all specific applications of religions are cults

[@dogguy8603]

​@@AthelstanKingthats what they all say

[@crosisofborg5524]

Umm. It really looks like a cult.

[@ReturnToNormal777]

I visited two or three of their communities thirty years ago. My longest visit was for two weeks. I was unable to continue due to their ultra strict definitions of diet and general doctrine. In regard to general doctrine the best example I could give is that on the sabbath(Saturday) I was admonished that I should not ride a bicycle because that would be classified as work.

[@justin2308]

Haven’t really heard that one before.

[@DTWon]

Wow, they must skip Galatians and Colossians in their Bible studies then

[@isaacsandoval9316]

Guess they missed the part where the Bible says Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath. Or the part where the Pharisees tried to give his disciples crap for eating on the Sabbath and Jesus essentially rebuked them

[@YahushasTrumpet]

​@@isaacsandoval9316scripture never states Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath. It says He is "Lord" of the Sabbath. Meaning He is Master/Creator of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of rest. It was made for man, not man made for Sabbath. Good works (as shown by Jesus) was Always acceptable. It's really not difficult to do and a real blessing from the rest of the weeks grind.

[@isaacsandoval9316]

@@YahushasTrumpet and what exactly was the point of your whole text to me?

[@tesla_autopilot]

“And upon this rock I shall build a false church which will lead souls into utter destruction for 1900 years or so, until a guy from Tennessee comes up with the right idea and then the real church will begin”

[@tonyu5985]

Mormons believe that Christs original church has been restored in modern times by themselves.

[@marcodesalud7034]

​@@tonyu5985ya, popular strategy throughout time.

[@black_horse_lover2655]

It always starts that way 😭😭

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

If Protestants can split from the Catholic church and preach something wrong then the Catholic Church can also preach something wrong. If God did not prevent Protestants from going wrong, Catholics could as well. Remember the wheat and the tares.

[@webstercat]

In any situation where an individual puts themselves as an arbiter between you & God that define cult.

[@TheMVCoho]

A coworker and I had been talking and decided to go eat together after work and that evolved into a bit of a Bible study. She recommended the Yellow Deli as where she wanted to go. I didn't know too much about them but, I had heard of the place since its the original location here in Chattanooga. I found the server extremely interested in us and seemly wanting to jump into our conversion with little statements like, if you have any questions just let me know and she wasn't talking about the menu. Also, the guy at the cash register shared a paper with us. So for those saying they don't try to convert you, thats your fault for not showing any potential. LOL The food was good as well.

[@flazzorb]

We are not a cult. Now, give up all your possessions and seclude your children from society. The children are given a choice, of course, but they aren't allowed to hear the other side. We are not a cult.

[@albertito77]

No more so than the Amish or Ultra Orthodox Jews

[@flazzorb]

@@albertito77 The Amish aren't perfect, but they're a lot less isolated than you would think, at least the Amish around me. I'm not familiar with the ultra orthodox beyond having heard of them, though.

[@joshua_wherley]

@@flazzorb shoot, I saw a few Amish guys building a roof on a car dealership just outside of downtown Akron, OH the other day. They are a separate society but regularly interact with others. And, they allow Rumspringa.

[@angiebee2225]

​@@joshua_wherleyMy dad and I ate at a Burger King in Ohio in 2004ish. A few Amish men came in and got food, then went outside to smoke cigarettes before driving off in their buggy. It was strange. The employees confirmed that they were, indeed, Amish.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

​​@@joshua_wherley I bet that roof was finished in about 2 hrs.

[@WordOfYah0730]

Love the way you put out content. Objective. Clear. Spot on. Keep it up.

[@NoNameNumberTwo]

A comprehensive, well put together overview of this group. Thank you. This channel is underrated.

[@darthfine]

I have lived in Chattanooga, TN my whole life and I have seen the Yellow Deli but never visited. Thank you for doing this video so I now know what they are all about.

[@Mike_W78]

The food is really good and the restaurants are very unique. If you do not mind supporting their group with the cost of a meal it's not a bad place to eat.

[@Kova-ow2en]

@@Mike_W78I genuinely wouldn’t mind, despite being a young Atheist. I would rather support them then a place like Target

[@Mike_W78]

@@Kova-ow2en I've eaten at two yellow delis and both were unique and different. They used repurposed wood and farm items to make tables and decorations by hand. Really amazing work really.

[@TheMVCoho]

Food is pretty good. Check it out if you want. The food, that is.

[@AF-tv6uf]

I just remember them as another group along the Appalachian Trail! I hike there sometimes, so thanks for doing this video!

[@joebrady1694]

I love that you always present the facts and nothing else, people can make up their own minds and you only have to look at the comments to see the overall opinion of them

[@GUTOG]

This is the first time I've watched this channel-the whole time, I was waiting for the judgment hammer to strike, but he simply stated the facts, leaving it to me to make up my own mind. It was a weird experience to watch for sure!

[@KingoftheJuice18]

In case you're interested, Gene's Hebrew name "Yoneq" means "one who suckles." It's the present participle form of a verb which means to suckle or nurse. Also, their pronunciation and etymology of "Yahshua" is very questionable. It's difficult to know how Jesus' name would have been pronounced in Hebrew (or it might have been a more Aramaic form). Joshua in biblical Hebrew is Yehoshua, but we also see a shorter version of the name, "Yeishua," in many places, especially the books of Ezra and Nehemiah (see in particular Neh 8:17). There really is no "Yahshua," in terms of the Hebrew Bible; the prefix Yo- or Yeho- is often used at the beginning of names with reference to the Tetragrammaton, but not "Yah." As for using the Greek to arrive at his Hebrew name, I don't see how they derive Yahshua from Ἰησοῦς given the eta vowel which is going to be a form of /e/, long or short, depending on your theory of Koine pronunciation, but certainly not /a/.

[@JakobVirgil]

I have some some fairly convincing arguments that in the sort of Aramaic they spoke around the Galilee his name would have been Jesu.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@JakobVirgil It's possible-and I assume you mean (more phonetically in English) "Yesu." Do you assume the Galileans didn't/couldn't pronounce /sh/?

[@JakobVirgil]

@@KingoftheJuice18 It is above my paygrade to make such assumptions. I will let this fella do the arguing and hope I did not get him wrong. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJKVY36hrsmDiNUsi=jGYwv3u8GoEofpuH

[@Azelf89]

Thought it was "Yeshua"?

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@Azelf89 Could be. It's hard to know. Are you pronouncing the "e" with the schwa sound, like the "i" in beautiful? It could have been a longer "e"-ish sound.

[@franciscampagna2711]

Had a branch in the last place I lived. Ate at their Yellow Deli. Good food, no one tried to convert me.

[@glenisejohnson1833]

I love the straight-up facts this channel gives. So much more enlightening to let people speak for themselves. I thought, "yeah, they just seem to be a very earnest, albeit high control group, not so much a cult. They're not so bad." until 31:43. Looked it up elsewhere, too. Nope, nope. Will definitely avoid. Thanks, man.

[@pappardell3]

This is incredible. I'm from Chattanooga and they're a local staple.

[@justgettingby7725]

There's a Yellow Deli in my hometown. Good food. It's right down the street from the local hippy-run cafe, which also has good food. Their living house was just two blocks away. They never proselytized or pushed their religion. They were more interested in talking to us about eating healthy food. When they first moved into town, everyone was concerned about people getting trapped in a cult. Once they were there a couple years, everyone realized they are more like city-dwelling Amish than a high control cult. The one thing I know did happen is that when a person left, they did cut off communication. All in all, however, I'd give it a low cult ranking.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

I agree, as someone who grew up Catholic, I wouldn't describe it as any more cultish than catholicism by a longshot

[@MeanBeanComedy]

​@@historyandhorseplaying7374It's far more cultish than Christianity/Catholicism.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

​@@MeanBeanComedyI'm pretty they are Christian. And Catholic isn't

[@rushiasingsfasola]

Amish are a cult.

[@Lilly2Gbtg]

@@RustyMadd I agree wholeheartedly! Excellent summation.

[@AmericanwrCymraeg]

What an odd group. On the one hand, denouncing Christianity as a false religion and false Gospel, but then homeschooling because of the "unchristian" things taught in public school. All of these new religious movies are so different than actual, apostolic Christianity, which isn't the black box that many seem to make of it.

[@D.S.handle]

Why do you say “denouncing Christianity”? Don’t they consider themselves Christian?

[@AmericanwrCymraeg]

@@D.S.handle If you watch the video, that think that Christianity is a corruption of the message of the Gospel.

[@D.S.handle]

@@AmericanwrCymraeg maybe I skipped this part. As I understood it, they consider Christian dominations outside their church corrupted, but still consider themselves Christians.

[@AmericanwrCymraeg]

@@D.S.handle Twice in the video, they denounce Christianity as a whole.

[@KiKi-tf8rv]

Right? That was so odd.

[@-moumou-]

In this vein, a long format summary of the Bruderhof would be a very useful resource. Thank you for this one!

[@TheShadeTreeFixitMan]

I have had direct contact with these communities having visited the community in Vermont to help 2 families to leave. Strange that they insist on monogamy and marriage for life when their founder was married at least 7 times. They would also decide when a couple arrived if they were truly married in the eyes of God and sometime separate them... Many contradictions in their theology, just like many other "Christian" groups. They require a person to renounce Christianity when they join the community...

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

Mmmm....shades of David Koresh. The women belong to me.!!!!

[@xenomorph6599]

The founder was married 7 times before conversion. And there are requirements for a marriage to be considered valid. True Christians believe only God can marry two people, so the government's officiation is worthless, and not everyone gets married in a church. They also seem to require not the denunciation of Christ but the other denominations. I'm not even actively religious, but your points don't hold water against this particular group.

[@queensuzanna1031]

Why in GOD s Name would you even think to bring up that he was married 7 times? You trying to make yourself look better, Pride is one sin the LORD hates!

[@JamesAndersonWhite]

Never thought I’d see Chattanooga lore on Ready to Harvest

[@namuhtsuj4025]

Went to college at UTC. My dorm backed up to the Yellow Deli. Kind people but there seemed to be a deeper unresolved sorrow within them.

[@stevehowes9598]

I LIVED THERE FOR TEN YEARS !!! If anyone has sincere questions feel free to ask me. Overall they are great people, not child abusers or oppressing their wives or whatever rumors you hear. Their Theology is near perfect and their interpretation of prophecy is amazing. Fatal Flaw: Believing that they have the only model of how the Church should be.

[@faturechi]

Do they teach their children Hebrew?

[@stevehowes9598]

@@faturechi Not fluently but they give their children Hebrew names and study the meaning of their names and many significant words in Hebrew from the Bible. They also do a lot of Israeli folk dancing and sing many songs in Hebrew.

[@faturechi]

@@stevehowes9598 Thank you. It always amazes me how much time these people spend on Hebrew like things, but actively avoid actually become fluent in Hebrew...

[@stevehowes9598]

@@faturechi Well to be quite honest learning a foreign language is a lot of work I’m trying to improve my Spanish as I am a landscaper and employ a lot of Latinos. I will say that after spending 11 years there I learned quite a bit of Israeli folk, dancing and conversing about it dozens, and no the deep meaning behind about 50 words, and Hebrews regarding biblical principles. They definitely teach and appreciation for Hebrew traditions 😇🙏😇

[@faturechi]

@@stevehowes9598 Biblical Hebrew is a very simple language. It is primitive in comparison to Spanish. Children pick it up very quickly. Not learning Hebrew is a deliberate decision. For good reason. When you actually know Hebrew, much of the dumbest cult ideas just fall away.

[@rhosymedra6628]

Very interesting, I had never heard of this group before!

[@davidbrevik2537]

Does a cult ever think they are a cult? I'm not trying to be insulting, but folks who live in certain situations may not even see some practice they do to be troubling.

[@Icemario87]

You pay taxes to a massive violent cult. So to answer your question: no.

[@leah0pontiff1]

When I was a part of this group we knew how we were seen by others.

[@optres]

I remember doing some research on cults many years ago, what the signs are and what not. And all of a sudden I said to my self , oh oh, the Pentecostal movement had and in some cases still does has cultish charracteristics . I grew up Pentecostal.

[@SmoBoo]

When I lived in California I ate at their deli, and they said I am welcome at any time to just show up at their house, so I went, and it was really sweet how everyone worked together and were so kind to each other.... I ate dinner with them, fish, sang and worshipped it was different but not weird and they didn't talk about any weird stuff...I didn't get any bad vibes. They have an open-door policy. They choose Hebrew names. The kids seemed really happy. I never went back; I was just curious...my husband was off at war in Afghanistan at the time and I had to see for myself how they were...I had not heard anything bad about them, so I wasn't afraid. They said I can drop by unannounced at any time.

[@xSephironx]

I used to think these guys were crazy, but hearing what they're about just makes me think that this is just modern American Monasticism. It's not even too off-kilter from my Orthodox beliefs.

[@floridaman318]

Yes it was surprisingly old school in some aspects.

[@TheEverlastingCovenant-fw9yd]

Thanks for the information Joshua. Nicely and very fairly presented.

[@IamSnowbird]

Before I even watch the video I have to tell you a story. My husband, brother, SIL, and I were in Arcadia Fl. The town is known for antique stores so we were spending the day growing in stores. An adorable town by the way. We were hungry but only wanted a snack. A store owner recommended the Yellow Deli. We went in and while we were waiting for our order I went to the restroom. It was occupied so I looked at a rack of brochures. I wasn't sure what they were but I took a look because I am curious. After we got our food I looked up the Twelve Tribes and WHOOOO. When I read what I had found, we were outside, everyone was astonished. What had looked like a cute restaurant now gave me the creeps. Another store I went in had the same brochures so I hurried out. Cults are everywhere even in an innocent little town. We've been back to Arcadia but found other places to eat.

[@Xavast]

That's a shame - I lived nearby a Yellow Deli most of my life and its the best sandwich restaurant I have ever been in.

[@paulan7218]

@@Xavast regardless of the food being good no one should give their money to a cult

[@denzellsmall7598]

@@XavastCome for the sandwiches, stay for the cult 😊

[@500mandarin]

Wonder what they would think of Eastern Orthodoxy. So many denominations who position themselves in opposition to Catholics and sometimes Protestants as well do not usually as much as mention the Orthodox church.

[@The_Midnight_Bear]

Probably consider them wayward catholics. But yeah, as an eastern christian, Trail of Blood narratives are hilarious. We were off doing our own millenia old bloody struggles with other christians, weird cults, muslims, etc. From the Balkans, eastern Africa, Central Asia, India, China, etc., but apparently the true faith was busy getting genocided by catholics non-stop for 15 centuries in the Maghbreb, and some mountain valleys on the French Riviera.

[@synthmass]

Often such groups just dismiss Orthodoxy as "other, weirder looking Catholics". (A great example of this is the "WWUTT" channel's...incredibly inaccurate video on Orthodoxy.)

[@500mandarin]

@@synthmass I suppose it's not surprising, unfortunately. And the recent growing "interest" in Orthodoxy also treats it like some alien occult Catholicism and a mystical novelty

[@synthmass]

It certainly seems novel to those of us discovering it late in life. But I get what you mean.

[@acekoala457]

​@@500mandarin I became Orthodox because it is True above everything else.

[@mistyhaney5565]

When the children were returned to them it wasn't because there was no abuse, it was because, legally, at that place and time, individual children had to be identified by name to be investigated. Many of the children in these groups have no birth certificates and do not interact with people outside the group, making it nearly impossible to access their well-being.

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

Cult.

[@Icemario87]

That's a bit silly. The government can assign anyone a SSN and certificate of naturalization at any age. These things did not always exist and they were, at first, imposed on adults; just like vaxxine passports.

[@VwithNature]

Praise the Lord🙏

[@Sousabird]

5:03 every other splinter church talks about this "great apostasy" where everything went wrong nearly right away. One, history doesn't really bear that assertion out. Two, it is bizarre that people going back to the original church would take Jesus saying that the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against his Church to mean that they in fact would, for over 1900 years.

[@saran42yu]

And then some dude from tennessee gets it right after 1900 years of error 😂

[@Foggybottom45543]

Right on

[@Talancir]

Did they not start to go wrong? What of the Galatians? What of the Nicolaitians? What of Paul's companions who fell away?

[@TeresaEAnn]

@@Talancir• You either believe Our Lord that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church or you think he lied. Yes, people in every generation have fallen away from Christ BUT, The Church is still here

[@TeresaEAnn]

@@Talancir• Early on in the 300’s the Church had to deal with the Arian heresy, the Donatist heresy, etc. But the entire Church did not collapse and go underground or extinct until some religion found it in the 1500’s, 1800’s, 1900’s or today.

[@cwanne1996]

I live near the Yellow Deli in Pulaski, TN. I usually describe them to others that haven't been as if a Amish and hippy married..lol One of the waitresses there isn't very friendly but the food is good and the remodel they did on the house for the restaurant is beautiful.

[@langreeves6419]

Sounds like another nightmare It's funny when people interpret the Bible a certain way. And then they go, nobody else can interpret this Bible correctly. They refused to follow men But they are blindly following the man who interpreted the bible in their peculiar way I guess most people just don't see that If someone shows you their interpretation of the bible, They often then act like they're just telling you what the bible says Absolutely not They're telling you what they believe the bible says

[@queensuzanna1031]

And you know it ha? 😤 pride is a sin GOD hates.

[@langreeves6419]

@suzannenapolitanp1723 absolutely! Thank you! They have such pride in thinking their interpretation is GOD'S interpretation.

[@AtlantiansGaming]

I respect their refusal to seek tax exempt status.

[@soarel325]

A word of advice: if a religious sect has to include "are you a cult" in their FAQ, they're 100% a cult.

[@marcodesalud7034]

hahaha...It would be glorious if someone hacked that page and reduced that explanation to, "YES".

[@YahushasTrumpet]

Very well done and unbiased friend. Now there are a few things I disagree with them on, I do agree with many of the interpretations.

[@samppakoivula9977]

I agree in the sense that often too much emphasis is put on the rituals, denomination etc. and too little on living service. Of course community will sooner or later develop its own framework. Also most people love routines, but I also believe that should you want to be true follower of Jesus, you should "let the dead bury their dead" and try to create living community following the example of Jesus and his disciples rather than give that power to the clergy. But surely it demands a lot more, an individual taking care that the fire of their spiritual development keeps burning...

[@run4cmt]

At least in the Lutheran Church, the clergy is not there to exert power or control. Our clergy go through college and 4 years of graduate-level learning in seminary. That is so they can learn Hebrew and Greek and the Bible. They can then be spiritual teachers and leaders. They are shepherds. How can someone teach in a church unless they have in-depth learing?

[@samppakoivula9977]

@@run4cmt Well, the problem is actually explained in the 12 tribes philosophy: The idea of giving the power of the shepherd to few, instead of equality. That no person is above the other. However this purpose is defeated by women not been allowed to be elders and reverting to OT practices, that NT made kinda obsolete. Also OT is more of judaism and christianity understands very little of jufaism, even if it has been born from judaism. So a little bit of theological learning wouldn't tuet, but the idea is not to identify with any denomination as such. Idk if I could explain it well enough. P.S.Not part of the 12 tribes myself...

[@josiahroyer1062]

Excellent work!

[@bradyryden2999]

Could you make a video on the Christian Science church?

[@leonardticsay8046]

Sounds like gnostic foolishness to me. As if they have some special knowledge that separates them from all other Christians. They don’t.

[@ZipplyZane]

I don't notice anything Gnostic in this at all. They have their wrong interpretations, but nothing like the Gnostic movement. Gnostic isn't a general word for non-orthodox or heretical. The term refers to a secret knowledge that only they obtain. It preaches two Gods: a cruel one in the Old Testament and a true, loving God of the New Testament. And it says that Jesus only appeared to be a flesh-and-blood man, but was not because flesh cannot be holy.

[@Kova-ow2en]

Most Christians aren’t actually christian

[@epicnear778]

Me and the boys going to The Yellow Deli dress up in Crusader ⚔️

[@audreydeneui192]

There used to be a Yellow Deli in Mansfield, OH. The food was great! I don't know if it is still there...this was 40 years ago. I didn't know it was a "chain". My parents took us to the associated farm on a few occasions for Sunday service when we were looking for a church (early to mid-seventies). We decided not to attend there regularly because there wasn't a good children's/youth ministry. I didn't know about the "cultish" aspects (other than that it WAS a commune, after all), but I was only 10 at the time. My parents may have found out about it and didn't tell us because we didn't really like the children's church/Sunday school, anyway. (Last minute choice of teacher, nice girl, but woefully unprepared...twice owned boat story--C.E.F. cards, not even a "real" bible story, and a macrame craft that was too difficult for an 8 and 10 year old--we were the oldest kids there.) My uncle had been a part of the "farm", but left when he and my aunt married. He got discouraged because he got tired of being one of the few who put in the effort to do the necessary work (normal for a commune, I suppose).

[@joshua_wherley]

I looked on their site. There was no Mansfield, OH location listed.

[@audreydeneui192]

@@joshua_wherley as I said, that was back in the early to mid-1970's.

[@joshua_wherley]

@@audreydeneui192 yes, that is correct. I was responding to the "I don't know if it is still there" part of your comment.

[@audreydeneui192]

@@joshua_wherley 😁

[@joshua_wherley]

@@audreydeneui192 forgive me if I was bothersome at all. I looked it up because I only live an hour away from Mansfield and when I read your comment I figured I might as well look it up!

[@briangoode997]

I ate at the Yellow Deli in Chattanooga before and it was so creepy and you could tell the employees were oppressed and looked to be trapped in a cult. And smelly. But the sandwiches were phenomenal!

[@Robert_Sparkman_03]

Aspects of it remind me of the Armstrongite cult that I was raised in. Wouldn't surprise me if the founder studied his materials.

[@jasonmalstrom1043]

It would have been beneficial to hear what ex-members say and how that aligns with what they claim. For example "pushes" causing to work through the sabbath.

[@the_real_littlepinkhousefly]

Except that's not the purpose of this channel. He's just here to tell us the facts about various denominations and groups affiliated in some way with Christianity. His intent is to be neutral, a sort of Encyclopedia Britannica of denominations. So presenting an "opposing" viewpoint isn't appropriate here.

[@jasonmalstrom1043]

@@the_real_littlepinkhousefly but when the founder makes pronouncements that in conflict of their stated beliefs, I think it falls into this, such as he's views on race (which were mentioned in this video) he also made statements on ignoring the sabbath. They have also published material to discourage their members from seeking medical help unless it's a last resort. This is not opposing material, this is their published beliefs that they are not being forth right on the sources being used here.

[@the_real_littlepinkhousefly]

@@jasonmalstrom1043 I'm sure there are a lot of things he could have mentioned, but he touched on several. He gives us the basics, and we are free to dig deeper at our own discretion. The video is already over 30 minutes long, so I imagine he had to cut things out. Some people don't mind spending 30+ minutes of their day watching a video (or even just listening to it), but we don't all have the same attention span or time to devote to it. I think he covered the majority of what we need to know about this cult, and if there's more we want to know, there's the whole Internet right at our fingertips. ^_^

[@paulan7218]

There are multiple documentaries about the 12 tribes where ex members tell their stories

[@MrMarlowe3488]

boy howdy did these guys like finding me and giving me literature while i was heavily under the influence of drugs at concerts in the 2010s, still never joined but i could probably dig up a pamphlet somewhere

[@SarduakarElite]

Theology aside, they’re not as bad as I envisioned. My wife and I hiked the Appalachian Trail we stopped at a yellow deli in New England and were a little apprehensive at first as Christians; before eating there we thought it was a dangerous cult but I can attest that even though I think they are misguided in someways, Their conviction is much stronger than you every day, American Christian, and even more so than nonbelievers in leading a life towards holiness. I think we have a lot we can learn from them without falling into their charisma.

[@pilotgundul]

I think "Christianity" in America will be saved by their strong belief. Their concept of The Holy, Unholy and Righteous people is somehow interesting ;) The name Yahshua itself sounds weird, but I believe He Himself doesn't objected on it. For many years Christians mentioned Him with different names. He just knew it ;)

[@BalderOdinson]

@@pilotgundul Their concept of The Holy, Unholy, and Righteous does sound interesting. But that's because it's what our itching ears want to hear. The Bible is pretty explicit that none of us are Righteous or Holy, we all need external salvation, and Christ is the only payment for that salvation. From the description presented in this video, this is the biggest Heresy of this group.

[@pilotgundul]

@@BalderOdinson my long time question is : What happen to my ancestors who never Heard of Jesus in the entire of their lives. Are they simply put to eternal death because they never aknowledge Him? What if that condition happens to me?

[@paulan7218]

They beat their children and make them work 16 hour days for no pay

[@BalderOdinson]

@@pilotgundul But you aren't in that condition. So now you have a choice to make. Trust that God will take care of the rest.

[@carbine090909]

Jesus never asked all his disciples to forsake their possessions. His apostles, yes. His disciples, no.

[@stevehowes9598]

I’m pretty sure Jesus explicitly said “ No one can be my disciple unless they give up their possessions “

[@marcodesalud7034]

​@@stevehowes9598yea? where do you think he said that?

[@stevehowes9598]

@@marcodesalud7034 Luke 14:33

[@carbine090909]

@@marcodesalud7034 in Luke 14, for one. But He is addressing disciples who are right in front of Him, the crowds who don't understand that His kingdom is not about who is going to be favored in court. They think the kingdom of God will be there on earth. after they defeat the Roman occupation. Jesus is telling them to be ready to abandon their family, their work, their homes, their possessions, and if they aren't willing to do that, then don't be His disciple. He says, count the cost when you decide. It's a warning of what was to come in His name. It still happens today in other cultures, in other places, to follow Jesus means giving up everything and everyone they know. But it's not a directive to abandon your family and home if you don't have to. The Bible message is not against success (because it comes from God), but it warns against greed.

[@carbine090909]

@@stevehowes9598 please see my reply above. Thanks for asking!

[@paulcohen6727]

The twelve tribes set up a "plantation" in rural San Diego where I used to live. They opened their doors to other believers on Friday nights for worship and fellowship and to try to convert us to become fellow slaves with them. The worship was joyful and the dancing enjoyable. One of the slaves told me how he looked forward to Friday nights when they had better food than the rest of the week. Apparently, they ate the cheapest, often nearly spoiled food the rest of the time. The food they served me wasn't bad, but it was also low quality and too salty. Apparently their leaders were too cheap to buy proper spices and they use only salt. They also used oil to provide sufficient but empty and unhealthy, heart-clogging calories. Spending money of meat was out of the question. I suspect that many of them will have health issues later in life, particularly atherosclerosis and hypertension because of their diet. The slaves spoke to me at a very low intellectual level. They were basically sheep, following not the Bible, but their leaders. I didn't return a second time. The analogy of slaves on a plantation is a fitting one, the residents freely labor there on the farm and do other menial tasks for subsistence only. They appear not to think about their future. If one of them decides to leave the plantation, they don't get back the possessions they came with, they're given $100 and sent on their way.

[@BoondockBrony]

I actually had a friend who joined the Twelve Tribes a while back willingly despite being seen as a cult. His experience was pretty pleasant and he left on fairly good terms. He can't spill a lot of things since they tend to shun you (though no where near the level of the JWs). If you heard of Morningstar Farms, they own that company iirc.

[@christianusacross5084]

Do a video on Celtic Christianity

[@domecrack]

I ate at the yellow deli in Oneonta once. Knew something was up when they insisted the cold sandwich they brought me was a reuben. This explains everything.

[@Silvercrypto-xk4zy]

Just enough truth mixed with a bunch of falsehoods to be very dangerous

[@giftenjoyer3664]

It's interesting how many sects have come out of the reformation. Let's be honest. The original point was the law and gospel distinction. LAW = You failed. GOSPEL = Jesus didn't.

[@minizimi3790]

Delightful people to talk with when you enter the store. Very open to answer questions. Great sandwiches too. Still heretics though.

[@mrodriguez6449]

I believe that when people resort to communes there will always be the cult leader that uses his/her position to dominate and put others under submission to their own will and whims

[@Talancir]

they sound fascinating. Googled The Yellow Deli and I have one nearby. I may visit to learn.

[@TzeentchLord412]

If someone asks if your group is a cult, and you respond with an extended paragraph, you might be in a cult.

[@marcodesalud7034]

hahaha...so true

[@TheMVCoho]

would a simple yes or no satisfy you though?

[@marcodesalud7034]

@@TheMVCoho Is a one word response the only alternative to an extended paragraph.?

[@tysonwright9628]

“Christians worship the Sun God.” Source: “Trust me bro”😂

[@ReplyToMeIfUrRetarded]

they’re basically atenists saying their Christian.

[@HarringtonsApocy]

Bruh. The pre-isrealite abrahamic folk literally called God “El” or… Sun. Jews call God Adonai, which may literally translate to master, but it’s original use was in pantheist cultures where they used it to refer to their master god… the sun. In the book of mark Jesus calls God Abba, which means “the sun” in the greek texts like Romans, he’s referred to as Kyrios, which if you havn’t already guessed means…. “The Sun lord” in the book of Ezra and Daniel God is called Elah which means “the light in the sky” aka the sun. Even the name “God” means sun. It comes from the german word gudan(there’s no real spelling) which came from ansuz… the title for the god of the Sun. All that said shows us that from amheric to hebrew to greek to cannic to latin to german to english ALL the translations that brought the bible to where it is today refer to God as the Sun.

[@ReplyToMeIfUrRetarded]

@@HarringtonsApocy source: just trust me bro!

[@gottenspider2057]

You know you’re about to hear some crazy stuff when they call Jesus by His Hebrew name

[@istanknowledgereason1561]

Why?

[@marcodesalud7034]

because a lot of goofy groups do it thinking it somehow is more authentic. Jesus didn't go by a poor transliteration of Hebrew (or Aramaic), but why not impress people with a couple words you think correspond to something significant.

[@AshtonSWilson]

@@marcodesalud7034plus, if you say the Bible is the Word of God, I think it’s a very, very small jump to say also that a transliteration of Jesus’ Hebrew name is acceptable. After all, if Ιησούς was good enough for Greek of the NT writers, Jesus is good enough for English speakers today

[@marcodesalud7034]

@@AshtonSWilson Using some poor transliteration into a Roman script prob has little significance. I believe Jesus has more important things for us to do and ponder.

[@istanknowledgereason1561]

@@marcodesalud7034 What about Messianic Jews? They dont believe anything crazy. It's just standard Judaism but with Jesus(not to be confused with Islam).

[@JosiahThomas-iw8lg]

Joshua, thank you for another interesting video. I was actually just looking into this group last week so this is great timing. I also found the Fargo Baptist Church channel so I hope to look more into that as well.

[@latitude1904]

What's going on in Fargo with that Baptist Church?

[@byungkyup]

5:00 er, didn't the 2nd century some of the most intense persecutions of the Christians by the Roman empire? "lukewarm"? (I get that that's the word from Revelation, but it's in reference to just one church among the seven named.)

[@Alex-fv2qs]

the members of this group tried to convert me to some kind of Christian kibbutz in the outskirts ages ago, for like over an hour

[@ac-uk6hs]

I like their views on homeschooling

[@mrdocena8082]

LOVE this video due to its lack of bias - just statement of facts. More videos need to be like it, rather than knee-jerk responses to strangeness. Oddly enough, the belief movement I follow is very similar to theirs - sans key components such as hyper-community-focused, cultural isolation, and ultra-strict approaches to the world. Basically, the belief movement I'm a part of is basically like theirs - but still regularly interacts with the secular world, rather than shutting it out entirely. I can definitely see why they would want to shut them out - especially if they experienced some sort of trauma/addiction within it - but in order to be a light unto the world, you have to be where people can see you. Your good works can't encourage or guide anyone if you keep it tightly shut under a lid. The big issue is when it comes to lack of transparency within these communities - is that problems and rumors can go wildly unchecked. In any community, no matter how open or closed-minded, there will always be a few "loose screws". People who generally vibe with what you're all passionate for, but either take things a step too far, or use the community as a sort of "shield" to hide from individuals that call them out on their immoral behaviors. I'm sure if any of you read this WITHOUT isolating it to just the idea of religions or cults: you'd definitely agree and can probably name that individual off the top of your head. Within a closed community, dealing with these people becomes both paramount and ultra risky. These individuals are likely very familiar with manipulation, or have very little regard for others, that they can cause serious contention within the community - threatening to break them apart. Worse yet, they can actually TAKE OVER the entire community, especially since the community is closed-off and are easily susceptible to charismatic arguments. So IS THERE abuse going on within these communities?? Yes. Closed communities are breeding grounds for abuse - mental, emotional, physical, etc. BUT which community is at fault if there's multiple? And which house among these communities? Which individuals within these houses? Which familial politics are occurring that's skewing the information? Understand that as much as suspects can lie, so can victims. And the fact that it's closed-off would make it extremely difficult to ascertain who's in the wrong without very hard evidence (you can't even just count on physical markings, since isolation from society empowers people to do extreme things against themselves in order to get what they want). To take out the entire religion and its followers by their roots will likely only lead to the fanatical manipulators fleeing and starting up other cults - and often leaving a majority of its followers with nowhere to go. And in the end... is the "cult" in the wrong? Or was it just safer for everyone else to perceive them as "wrong"? "Remove the sheath, but let the blade go." You'd be surprised how often it is that these horrid manipulators get away and just cause more problems for people. Honestly, if the people of this religion genuinely believe what is read in the Bible, and even read it word-by-word: there SHOULDN'T be any abuse within it. Will there still be abuse? Just as much as there is in any community - no community is completely free from abusers. To be utterly free from them is to either have impossible standards or to have a thought-police. But in either case, the answer is never to utterly quash people from doing wrong - but to genuinely discuss these things in both open and private forums. And THIS is a definite separation from the belief I follow and theirs: Opinions SHOULDN'T be censored. It's one thing to discourage gossip and politics - it's a completely different thing to discourage opposing thoughts. While debate isn't necessary, discussion and conversation is! Iron sharpens iron! No man can be considered perfect - so it's perfectly healthy for us to work things out! And if it's a worry over spiritual authority: Then first and foremost, all discussions should start and end with prayer! Let man talk, but God have the final say! I'm sure someone reading this is wondering why anyone would follow beliefs similar to this "cult"... And if you're genuinely curious then I'll leave it at this: In 2015, there was a sudden movement that wasn't led by any pastor or preacher. People, of all walks of life, suddenly wanted to go back to reading their Bibles again, from the front to the back. There were Christians still in churches. People who hadn't been to church in years. Atheists. Buddhists. Hindus. People who hadn't even picked up a Bible. They were only a few individuals in every community, but they were practically found in every community. For one reason or another, in 2015, all of us felt led to re-research the Bible and read it for what it said - or to simply ask questions about Christianity that people had thought were already answered for hundreds of years. We were kicked out of our communities. Some of us were labeled heretics. Some of us were thrown out of our very families. But whatever our situations were: we eventually found each other (whether online or in real life) and began to study the Bible together. We would say we were all led by the Holy Spirit to do so... but many people in mainstream churches, who label us as heretics, would find such a claim to be blasphemy. All we can say is: pray for us. Let God be the judge between us. ... In my honest opinion? I think this religion was led by the Holy Spirit, but like with any group or individual, people can go astray from what they're being led to. Even in our belief, there have been a handful of individuals who have gone astray and have turned people away from God and the Bible. Blame the belief all you want, but this happens even in your communities as well. We can't control individuals, we can just discuss things with them. And sadly, these individuals have refused to discuss anything further with us. That is occult-behavior. And that, sadly, is what I believe happened with the Twelve Tribes movement - they were preaching and believing true... but closed themselves off from others completely (whether physically or mentally). This is NOT what the Holy Spirit wants us to do. This is NOT what God wants us to do. God does not want us to separate ourselves. Not from fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, nor from the world. We're to NOT BE like the world. We're not to share in their same passions, to serve their gods (obviously most people don't serve literal gods these days - but psychologically, people have their own temples and shrines for their passions), to harm ourselves like they do for temporary pleasures, to have spirits alike to theirs. We're to be like Christ. To walk in His steps, to love like He loves, to preach what He preached. We're to be a little odd in the eyes of others. To be very strange. That doesn't mean brainwashed, that doesn't mean doe-eyed, that doesn't mean getting high off of spiritual ideals, that doesn't mean genuinely creeping others out: That just means that we're supposed to live a life that seems strange to others because it's SO different to theirs! That we can watch or listen to the same things they partake in, but come out with an entirely different opinion. To learn the same things they do, but come out with a completely different formula. To be able to walk around in the world, but seem as if we're not slaves to its daily sufferings. To live in this world and not be in love with it. To get knocked around by the ways of the world, but be able to EASILY get back up with a GENUINE smile! THAT'S strange to the world. The world believes that life is pain, that life is random, that life isn't fair, that love is meaningless. We're supposed to be the paradoxical evidence AGAINST those common beliefs. And how do we do that? By living like Christ! And Christ NEVER isolated His believers from the world. He let them walk within it, but not partake of its sins. We can do that just fine without an isolated community. If you're curious as to whether or not there's any spiritual legitimacy to this? Pray. Pray hard and sincerely. Throw out your bias and just listen to God. If you're honest and sincere in this prayer, He WILL answer you. That's, honestly, how a third of the people of our faith started walking this path... because they prayed for wisdom. So pray. Not to believe in this, but for His Truth. Care little for communities or allegiances: Follow God, follow Christ, follow the Holy Spirit. Let God be true and every man a liar.

[@Lilly2Gbtg]

Where is your group? Praying you see this and answer. 🙏🏻✝️

[@queensuzanna1031]

No the LORD says to be Separate , then he will receive you, your comment makes no sense, even though it's too long , Worldly Christian is what you are, like lots wife , who looked back when she was told Not to, GOD turned her into a pillar of Salt, see ya

[@TeresaEAnn]

I think the early Church already “did this” and lived alone as hermits and then together in monastic communities. I believe St. Benedict of Nursia started his monastic order in 543 in the medieval west. But, the earliest monastic communities in Egypt and Syria were in the 300’s AD As “Gentile” Christians (who were not Jews first) St. Paul, St. Peter, and the Council of Jerusalem told these new Christians how to live and what laws of the Jewish community were binding on them. It’s in the New Testament more than once so I never understand why people read the OT and think they have to follow certain Mosaic laws 🤷🏼‍♀️. 🤷🏼‍♀️ If you don’t keep all of those laws you are guilty of breaking the entire law. It’s sad that people don’t understand they need to read the scriptures in light of their historical context. If the first Christians understood what they meant, we need to understand it also. The least harm in new religions is to be confused and frustrated. The worst evil is expecting something from Our Lord that was never promised or meant for us. You then think God doesn’t do what he said he would and often lose faith. So thankful 🥹 Our Lord has shown the way to understand him from the beginning if we would only look deep into history.

[@stevehowes9598]

Wow. You sure spent a lot of time writing such an uninformed opinion.

[@TeresaEAnn]

@@stevehowes9598 • 😂 😂 I’m good with it, Steve

[@giovanni545]

the passage in acts 15 from what i understand is tha the 4 commandments given are baby steos while people learn more about the laws of God, thats why in that chapter it said "since Moses is preach on every sabbath.." also YAHUSHA (JESUS) told us to keep the commandments of God

[@run4cmt]

There are different types of law in the OT. There is the moral law in the form of the ten commandments which we are all still to follow. Then there was the ceremonial law meant to set the Jewish people apart and foreshadow Jesus. That is not meant for people of today to follow.

[@webstercat]

Anything that can’t be questioned is an Idol. This is an Idol to most people 🌍

[@napoleonfeanor]

How do they divide themselves into the old 12 tribes when they are one group?

[@lcwalker2920]

There's a guy on youtube named David Alexander. When he was a 12 triber, he was known as David Derush. But now he is a Mormon who fibs about having been an Evangelical church planter.

[@claryp1509]

So they’re basically Judaizers. My cousin is a pastor and we don’t talk anymore because he adheres to and leads others to accept this mess (not Twelve Tribes, per se, but something close enough to it). Works based salvation isn’t really salvation. They remind me of the Galatians.

[@giovanni545]

what about the verse that says faith without works is dead??

[@perilousrange]

@@giovanni545 Good works spring from faith, but are not a pre-requisite to salvation (in any reformation theology of which I'm aware).

[@run4cmt]

I have a friend that was raised Catholic and primarily goes to Mesisanic churches. She does not celebrate Christmas or Easter and keeps all of the Jewish festivals. I think she has lost herself in some rituals and rules that no longer need to be followed. She follows a man who founded Arial Ministries. I think it borders on a cult.

[@justin2308]

The Galatians were actually not being scolded for following the Torah (Mosaic Law). The law Paul was talking about was actually the “Oral Law” aka the traditions codified in the Talmud.

[@au7-721]

​@@justin2308Paul would not have considered the Talmud the Law. Paul would have called the Talmud fables.

[@gustavusadolphus4344]

I stopped there in Tennessee when day when i was traveling across the US. The locals all told me they were a cult lol

[@UDPMadrid-dr4ci]

If someone asks you to donate them all your posessions = CULT

[@albertito77]

Very interesting. Their community structure is still going after 50 years (2-3 generations) which means it seems to work fairly well. They do seem to live wholesome community lives and if you follow the rules (just like any society, I guess) you'll do alright there. I would wager they many of the folks who leave were of temperaments unsuited to cooperative community life. As these people leave, those who remain will be self selecting for the traits that make you suited to live in a small tight kniit community like these. I predict that the defections will decrease over time for this reason. I find the Restorationist theology and Hebree Roots philosophy weird, but different strokes for different folks! I'd like to see how this group will go in the next couple of decades.

[@albertito77]

I had a thought.... the more those born into this religion become the sort of people who are suited to living this way, then the more they will begin to notice that it's increasingly converts who refuse to "get with the program", cause trouble and leave. We can expect that they'll in time become leery of converts. I think of the Amish who whilst do technically allow converts, yet they are very rare indeed.

[@abesapien9930]

A cult is a "wholesome community life"? I've grew up in a very strict independent fundamental Baptist ("IBF") upbringing, and being told on a weekly or even daily basis as a child that I was going to an eternal lake of fire--if I didn't believe in Jesus--was scarring enough. You have a very rosy view of all this.

[@edwardkuenzi5751]

I don't think individualism can be bred out of human beings or even significantly diminished in just one or two generations.

[@albertito77]

@@edwardkuenzi5751 there are personality traits that are more or less amenable to living at close quarters. As personality traits are about 0.8 heritable, we can expect this community, like our Mennonite and Haredi friends, will select in favor of traits like agreeableness and conscientiousness and group loyalty

[@andrewprahst2529]

@@edwardkuenzi5751 Individualism isn't the natural state of humanity. In a natural environment, people have to stick together to survive. It's our modern society that creates individualism.

[@paulraines9635]

I got really frightened when I heard virgin men being martyred.

[@mikemarkuson]

I was in the Twelve Tribes for about 12 years with my family. We left in 2010. Feel free to ask questions.

[@MichaelMarkusonTheNerdpicker]

@rebcab6411 I do not reject the true Messiah. I reject the Twelve Tribes interpretation of what they believe. By the way.. the spelling is Yahshua.

[@phaedrus000]

​@rebcab6411Stop looking for a group to join. They need you more than you need them. Decide for yourself what to think and believe. Do not inform your belief system on the word of others. That includes holy books like the Bible. They are the word of humans, not the word of God. There is no religion/cult/group/church/whatever that has your interest in mind. Like any organization, they get their power from their members and seek only to control and profit from them. Trust your own ideas, form your own moral compass. None of us knows God, for he does not make himself known. Anyone who tries to tell you that they know the mind of God is trying to buy and sell you. Agnosticsm is the only healthy approach to life. You should believe only that which your own experiences tell you to be true. If that leads to a reaffirmation of your belief in God, that's great. If it leads to you doubting God's existence, that's fine too. The important thing is that you do not let charlatans control you. If you must have faith in something, have faith in yourself.

[@ryanp8159]

Bless their hearts, confidence in the flesh is a beast.

[@Theqogscast]

How is no one talking about @RecklessBen videos on this. He went undercover and it would be very hard to call them not a cult if not at the very least shady and breaking many laws. Normally I do not like to talk about religions but dang it's hard for me to defend Yellow Deli at all.

[@ryanbeard1119]

Whow, send me a link man.

[@maxonmendel5757]

​@@ryanbeard1119kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqilhJaVf62Xbposi=GFWTeM_zvTq1IgHL

[@Eurobunker]

​@@ryanbeard1119reckless ben is a communist libtard not respecting property rights nor moral (shows condoms in a family meeting with kids of a conservative christian denomination)

[@therealstuffedzebra]

Eye opening!

[@followingchristalone]

I live near Chattanooga TN and visit the Yellow Deli on occasion. Mostly because they have no unclean items per Leviticus 11. Many of my own doctrines line up with them but I personally do not teach that people need to sell all their stuff and live in a community environment. I do not begrudge them for the conclusion they have come to and pray for their continued sanctification. I hope they have a great set of 7th month feast days.

[@ryanbeard1119]

What NO Gabagool. !!

[@ronanjm]

Christ cleansed all food, you can eat what you please. Read the Gospels and Galatians.

[@followingchristalone]

@ronanm.1967 I have, I do not mean this to be mean but you would do better in reaching people if you didn't make assumptions. Mark 7:19 is declaring that eating with unwashed hands does not defile food. It is not telling you to eat what you want. Galatians does not mention food specifically from my memory so if you find the passage feel free to respond. Have a blessed day.

[@ryanbeard1119]

@@ronanjm yea, and all these f ing cults think that they will follow the law, "no eating radiating pig rumen OK...

[@giovanni545]

​@@ronanjmCHRIST and HIS disciple continue eating clean food found in book of leviticus 11, thats why apostle Peter eat only clean animal and even after the vision He said the meaning of the vision with all the animal was to not call any man common or unclean.

[@StreetRunner2.2]

I was traveling through Vermont one day when my truck broke down two guys from this tribe stopped and drove me 30 minutes away to a parts store help me get my truck back running so I could get back to Alabama. I thank God for those two guys I only remember one name though his name is Eric. Thank God for you guys

[@cluesagi]

1:06 ...Isn't Jesus's Hebrew name Yeshua?

[@CountryBwoy]

2:44 Chatt Town! ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾 That first spot is now one of my favorite bars in town

[@humboldthammer]

This was interesting. There is a parallel with The Urantia Book: the birth of Jesus in 7 BC, and his crucifixion in 30 AD. You will not find this church in The Urantia Book -- nor are there prophecies. Still, I wonder if this church is influenced by that book. I Am. I truly appreciate feedback. Am I even visible. KZbin is my only Social Media. I am thankful for any reply.

[@jamesparson]

The Urantia Book? Yet another holy book I don't believe.

[@humboldthammer]

@@jamesparson Yep. It requires a leap of faith.

[@jamesparson]

@@humboldthammer Or gullibility.

[@humboldthammer]

@@jamesparson Gullibility? ALL the Pentecostal Prophets on Mainstream Christian Network TV proclaimed Trump chosen by God to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem in 2016. Here's a leap of Faith: Matthew 24: 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 100's of millions deceived. Trump is AntiChrist. Vicarius Filii Dei adds up to 666 in Roman Numerals -- Revelation 13: 18. Hint: the Pope. You will not find these things in The Urantia Book. Have you read ANY of it? Or any other holy book?

[@crippledwings]

@@jamesparson they make good tea!

[@labeolder6152]

the youtuber “reckless ben” made a fantastic series on these folks. highly recommend!

[@dyrefate]

Never heard of this group but I actually agree with a lot of their criticism about most Christian groups. Jesus was very clear in the synoptic gospels that doing God's will (to love God and love people, to relinquish your wealth to care for those in need) is a requirement for salvation. It's very different from the salvation doctrine found in the Gospel of John as well as Paul's letters, which is salvation through faith alone.

[@marcodesalud7034]

Where does Jesus even hint at the idea that every believer should relinquish their wealth? I mean, it is super impressive you've done so in order to live off the distributed wealth of others.

[@giovanni545]

the part of possesions im not sure

[@run4cmt]

Jesus asked the rich young ruler to give up his wealth. He did not demand this of everyone.

[@dyrefate]

@@run4cmt I'm interested to know why you would think that wouldn't apply to other people.

[@williamhoneycutt8868]

​​@@marcodesalud7034Store up treasures in heaven... the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, when man found it he sold all he had to buy the field. He does it a few times. But what he means by that is likely not "go sell everything you own and give it away" but know that these things are temporary, there is no happiness in them, and you will only be fulfilled when you're in relationship with God.

[@tgbotg]

Hey, since you're doing stuff like this, do you think you could do the Word of Faith Fellowship in Spindale, North Carolina? Thanks!

[@dmaster2]

I used to study at their restaraunt when I was at school in Chattanooga and they never even tried to recruit me. Won't even lie I felt some type of way lol

[@logoseven3365]

My parents knew a girl who escaped this in the 70’s. Jimmy Jones approves.