NEW Console Version Alpha 22 - Gameplay VS OLD - 7 Days To Die

[@Vedui42]

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[@zerohour980]

Am I the only one excited to see new weapon bobbing animations and stuff? such small visual details adds so much to gameplay experience imo.

[@prolificpoultry4899]

I like it… I think. Although I’ve always been a fan of disabling the bobbling like in Minecraft which I doubt they’ll add. Also I really hope they bring back the different barrel model on the shotgun for when you put the sawed off mod on it. Or a longer barrel for the extender

[@Vedui42]

Hmm... didn't notice! :)

[@thename5069]

I always disable that stuff. Doesn't add much for me. Just like how I turn off vibration for my controller to save battery and usually adjust the lightin to see better. On PC I almost always play on lowest graphics settings even though my PC can handle almost any game on highest. Idk.why but efficency and performance turn me on lmao

[@daniel3082]

im hyped

[@chubba676]

No split screen play.damn, that was the best bit of console play

[@Vedui42]

Yeah. But hard with it being the same version as pc. They'd have to implement PC split screen or have different games again :)

[@Tonisaka]

Console version came out faster than I was thinking

[@Vedui42]

I had been theorizing before they would release console this year because it was dragging out wayyyy long otherwise. While they wanted console "when gold" ... considering we don't even get bandits, that's 2-3 years off :P

[@Tonisaka]

Yah I was under the impression that when full release, console next, but o wells it's nice to have console now so no more complaints

[@ReptilianConman]

​@Vedui42 new console version has been confirmed for gamepass, and old version is set to be taken off gamepass after april 30th. any thoughts? surely it wouldn't be that soon without an announcement or something

[@MTF-EPSILON-11-5-NULL]

@@Vedui42man a fucking next gen can smash 90% pcs that run this game

[@Vedui42]

I think the issue is not that PS5 is not good. It's that in order to make things really nice on console, it needs to be developed FOR console, as opposed to just porting a PC game. Take a look at the old Killzone games .. back on Playstation 3. It looks and plays much better than a PS5 port of 7DTD. Despite having vastly inferior performance on the console (ps3 vs ps5). But it was also specifically made FOR the PS3.

[@SireDragonChester]

While I am pc player for 7 days. Hopefully they allow ps5 user to host game on spare ps5. And hopefully at some point cross play is added for pc/ps5 users. Imo they should jet let pc able host pc/ps5/XSX able to join. Ps5 isn’t bad of tech. So many ppl rip on it being too weak. 10 Tflops performance is nothing to sneeze at. Zen 2 cpu/RDNA2 gpu is decent when devs put love/time into optimize games correct. So many devs do not or they lazy or lack skilled staff to do it correctly. There still a lot ppl on 4c/8 thread CPUs with crappy GPUs or using onboard GPUs. Steam deck only 1.6 Tflops. Bit less then ps4. As long run at steady 60 fps on ps5. It’s should be good. If it fps is all over the place, like current alpha 21 is. Then ppl have right to be mad. Consider Don’t they have re-buy 7days for ps5/xsx? even if that include discount. Of ps5 runs like crap. Lol 7day console fans are going be pisssssed. I do love 7days but it’s performance has been horrible since alpha 17. It hasn’t gotten better but worst with each new version. Blood moon nights are worst even if you on high end system. And devs have ignore updating vulkan. I hope they will address it. So many Unity games don’t seem get optimizes. I’ve yet play any Unity game that don’t run like shit. Here hoping a22 runs decent and not like crap.

[@Vedui42]

It's not that Playstation 5 is bad as such. It's just that 7dtd does require a pretty hefty rig to run at 60 fps all the time. We don't get that on PC either, it definitely hurts to be in a big city, and it definitely hurts to have blood moon hordes AND it hurts to have multiple people in the same session... combined, it hurts all over. For a PC user you can always "upgrade" ... just not possible on console. Console however DOES offer a stable system which can be optimized as you mention... but yeah, rarely happens and I doubt 7dtd will do too much there either.

[@SireDragonChester]

@@Vedui42 Yeah it sad but true. Imo it’s unity problem. It Don’t matter if it’s on a high end pc or console. I Really wish devs would port this over to UE 5.4. But we all know that will never happen. It’s funny I’ve seen the devs say years ago in a twitch stream. Their next project would be unreal engine game lol. Don’t get me wrong. I do love 7d2d, Fully understand the good, the bad and ugly with game development. As ex beta tester, ex moderator (tech help guy) and small server admin. I helped small indie studio to get there game off the ground and beta testing server software. While I am no dev. I did learn a lot. Imo unity hasn’t has good track record with optimize games. If Fun Pimps get 7d2d working well on ps5 and with whatever other company they working with. Then there hope for pc version. Imo that is Vulkan.api for pc version. Valve proved that with steam deck and steam os. Proof many windows games can even run better under vulkan vs windows version. Valve told devs back 2015 to use Vulkan.api over bloated DX 12. Nobody listen except valve. Now if only Fun pimps would listen.

[@wellplayed8332]

No dedicated server is tough a deal breaker . My friends on console still paying for GeForce and playing pc edition through the edge browser.

[@Vedui42]

Yeah! I think they really need to get that done.

[@jeremyschultz4731]

after playing all the builds playing the last one was not bad as i thought it might be just hope the armor set does not screw over single players user base or it be the first thing that gets a mod fix in my eyes for the new build.

[@Vedui42]

I suspect regardless of how armor turns out, there'll be mods to change it. One area I suspect many would like is for the bonuses to be in a MOD slot as opposed to the cosmetics of the piece.

[@KAROLEK12212]

What kind of fps will there be? Please tell me we’re gonna have 60fps

[@Vedui42]

They have not said. I suspect it might not be 60 stable fps.

[@KAROLEK12212]

@@Vedui42 that would be disappointing, so many games do it for consoles

[@505PRE]

​@@KAROLEK12212And this is where the cracks start to show 😬

[@CPreacher40]

I hope they worked on the controls with xbox/ps controllers. I don't expect COD/BF quality but it was really annoying trying to do things like shooting a bow. instead of aiming like normal with the right joystick I would have to get it just close enough and then strafe or run forward or backward to line up headshots cause the aiming was pretty bad. hard to explain but it wasn't fluid and more mechanical like you would look right/left or up/down in set intervals like a gear and you would always go past the head when lining up headshots. really annoying when you tried to shoot a fallen stunned zombie before they got back up.

[@irredax56]

Yea Im surprised no one else is talking about this. The aiming mechanics on console are horrendous. I have extremely good aim in fps games as a whole, but this game feels so clunky I rely more on my left stick to aim than my right. If it's like this in the new version that's one of the first things they're gonna have to address or I won't play for long

[@MinecraftGamer-zg5vk]

That will be fixed it was like that because they never optimized the controls for controllers it was still running off keyboard mouse if that makes sense

[@CPreacher40]

@@MinecraftGamer-zg5vk I hope so.

[@Vedui42]

I think it need some aim assist actually. It didn't feel like they had any, but it's definitely needed :)

[@jameslindsay5889]

Yeah they are gonna suck. Hopefully not enough to stop playing tho.

[@russmorrow1428]

Just waiting for a release date

[@Vedui42]

Summer!

[@malguskerensky]

Minor correction even high end PCs have performance issues with 7d2d (many content creators repeatedly comment on it, besides my own experiences). The missing interactions with PC players and other co-op limits should be a red flag for anyone thinking of buying this for the 'current console version', as this functionality could come at the same time as "bandits". If you are confused, bandits have been 'coming to the game' for years now...

[@kathrynck]

/me pants from the heat of her 4090 "Plays great for me in max/ultra 4k!" :D

[@Vedui42]

I run on a 2017 rig and yes...cpu and gpu struggles, even more so when I stream for sure :)

[@kathrynck]

@@Vedui42 I used a 2015/2017 hybrid rig (4790k/1080ti) until last year. It did struggle "somewhat" with 7d2d (1440p), and I wasn't even trying to run recording software on top of the game. Water effects especially seemed to upset the old pc. Still works great for 'most' 1440p though (with no ray tracing). And i've got it set up as a legacy win7 machine now. I think if you're making content from it... you're overdue for an upgrade Vedui ;)

[@Vedui42]

haha! You know Kath, that's exactly the rig I have :P 4790k with a 1080ti running at 1440 ;) I'm looking to get an upgrade, though I doubt a 4090.... those are great, but SO pricey! My KZbin doesn't pay that much, sadly, the couple hundred bucks I get won't cover it :D

[@kathrynck]

@@Vedui42 4090 _only_ makes sense in the 4k realm really. For 1440p, I'd go 4070 Super / 4070 Ti Super, or 7800XT / 7900XT. And probably a 7800X3D cpu. I got a 4090 early at msrp, and really just cuz I was shifting to 4k. For play, work, and eyesight reasons. And an overpriced 32" 4k display with snobby color accuracy & such. And a 7900X (mostly cuz there was no 7800X3D yet). The recent model cpu's and gpu's (from 'all' makers) are "very" aggressive with voltage, clocks, and temps, out of the box. Like they have highly-aggressive factory overclocking. You'll wanna undervolt them and reign them in a bit I think, to last like the 1080 Ti and 4790 did ;) (it's pretty amazing how strong the 4790k & 1080Ti combo held up though. Still "decent ...ish" in 1440p if you knock the settings down a bit. I kept mine as a legacy win7 machine)

[@itriyum]

Idk why they haven't fixed tbe lighting when you have a weapon/tool in your hands... It always uses the outside lighting even if you are inside a house or a dark place If its days time and you are isnode a house the weapon in your hand will always be bright

[@Vedui42]

I didn't notice specifically, but light has always been a bit weird. Maybe to let players always "see" themselves properly?

[@kathrynck]

Looks a lot better. But still looks like a 720p capture? or maybe less... or just super-compressed? I may be biased cuz 1080p and 1440p my graphics card can upscale to 4k pretty decently as long as I view streaming video content in full screen. This looks "rougher" than that. I dunno? The upscaling isn't really sure what to do with this footage though, so I assume that even thought the video is in 1440p, the original content is far from that. actually, looking at it closely "some" of the footage looks sharper. I dunno. The lawn at the wedding POI looks like goo hehe. If console puts foliage at "goop" settings... that's not a bad place to pick up some fps.

[@Vedui42]

Yeah I'm not sure how they captured it, while the original video is 1080, it doesn't look like it, because so is the OLD console footage. So doesn't look so sharp :)

[@kathrynck]

@@Vedui42 Hopefully it's just a low-rez capture or compressed too much :) Modern consoles aren't too shabby these days, they should be able to run the game better than my old pc (1440p/high except water), but this footage... oof. :) I wanna say console players are gonna be blown away by A22, but they watch youtube probably and know what to expect already ;)

[@MurkyGames]

is there a release date do you know ?

[@Vedui42]

Only this summer. Which might not mean this summer in the end :)

[@N.i.g.h.t.m.a.r.e.z_]

July

[@Jose02Leonheart]

I'm incredibly frustrated with the developers of 7 Days to Die. When I purchased the original console version at full price, I expected a playable game. Instead, I got a buggy, abandoned mess. It was so flawed that I couldn't enjoy it and eventually had to give up. There were no refunds, and now they expect us to buy the same game again with a few updates that should have been free. They are NOT doing us any favors. To make matters worse, the game is still in BETA! This company has lost all credibility with me. What guarantee do we have that they won’t abandon this version too, leaving us with another unfinished product while they pocket our money? I understand they might need to recover from their legal issues, but as customers, we paid for a game that they're now trying to resell to us. The least they could do is offer a 75% discount for those of us who already purchased the game, not a mere 25%. Here’s why this is important: 1. Compensation for loyal customers: We trusted them and bought their buggy game, dealing with invisible, immortal zombies and countless other issues. 2. Demonstrating commitment: They need to show they are serious about their product and their customers. 3. Fairness: It's only right to treat their loyal customers with respect and fairness. 4. Allowing this kind of practices which lack of responsibility and seriousness, we will leave a background for other companies to follow and do the same to us, the costumers. As customers, we deserve better. We shouldn’t be paying again for what should have been fixed in the first place. If you feel the same way, let’s raise our voices together. Let the developers know that we demand a fair deal and that we won’t support unfair practices. We deserve a game that works, and we deserve to be treated with respect. For now, my friends and I will pass on this game. We'll watch how it develops because we refuse to be scammed again. Maybe, just maybe, we'll consider buying it if there's a substantial discount in the future. But a 25% discount? They’re not doing us any favors; they’re shamelessly asking for more money to fix their own mess. Let's stand together and demand the respect and fairness we deserve.

[@Vedui42]

The console bit with Telltale turned out to be a gigantic mess. I think that regardless of what happens, TFP will forever have that part of their history and reputation.

[@Jose02Leonheart]

@@Vedui42 Yes, you are right!!! And because of that, they should be even more motivated to improve and clean up their image and reputation. We need to understand that just as they are choosing to move on from their bad reputation, they can also make a positive choice by compensating us, the customers, and doing things the right way. Imagine if you bought a coffee maker that was supposed to be top-of-the-line, but it broke down after a week. Instead of offering a replacement or refund, the company asks you to buy the same model again with a slight improvement. It would be unacceptable, right??? Or think about buying a car that was advertised as reliable but constantly broke down. If the manufacturer released a new version to fix the issues, would it be fair for them to charge you full price again??? Absolutely not. Now, consider buying a new refrigerator that stops cooling properly after a month. Instead of providing a proper repair or a full refund, the company offers you a small discount on your next purchase, thinking it's fair compensation. A 25% discount doesn’t truly compensate for the frustration and disappointment of receiving a faulty product. In fact, it feels like they’re asking you to spend 175% of the original price just to get what you initially paid for, and there’s no guarantee the new refrigerator will work or that they won’t ask you to pay again for future repairs. Finally, imagine purchasing a smart TV that was advertised with features like built-in streaming apps and voice control. When it arrives, you find out those features don’t work, and the company "fixes" it by removing those features and then asking you to pay full price again for a new version that doesn’t even include the promised functionalities. It’s incredibly unfair to buy a product for specific features only to have them removed and then be charged again for a version that still doesn’t meet the original promises. The Fun Pimps have the opportunity to turn this negative chapter into a positive one by proving they are a serious company that cares about their customers, especially those who trusted them during difficult times. Instead, they are choosing to make us pay for their mistakes, which only adds to their bad reputation. They can still choose to do the right thing by offering a substantial discount to those of us who supported them from the beginning. This move would show that they value their customers and are committed to making things right. Let’s hope they choose to look out for their loyal customers rather than making us bear the brunt of their past mistakes.

[@EatMyATGM]

60fps on the series X?

[@Vedui42]

Honestly, I'd be surprised if they get 60fps. If they can get a stable 60 it'd be amazing tho!

[@andrevisona]

The consoles update for who buy early access have to be FREE, if not, and you be forced to pay more, DO NOT BUY!!! Enough of Rockstar feelings and strategy.

[@Vedui42]

Oh Rockstar did this?

[@andrevisona]

@@Vedui42 yes, with GTAV for the console versions, you have to pay to play next gen update.

[@sixty4emerald]

I remember how hard it was to aim a bow on the ps4 version I hope they smooth that out because controller sucked back then

[@Vedui42]

Did they have any aim-assist?

[@sixty4emerald]

@@Vedui42 no

[@GTSN38]

The arrows drop from where you're aiming them in ps4 version. You need to shoot higher than intended based on distance. That aiming system just sucked ass.

[@chilimike6598]

So did they talk about cross play and my old fav with the wife, split screen coop

[@yeppyracoony1375]

There's no crossplay for now that's for the future of console 7 days to die.

[@christianmacintyre5453]

No split screen either

[@Vedui42]

They sort of have indicated cross-play will come in the future yes, if sony/ms allows. But not at initial launch. Split screen co-op will not be there. It's the PC version, which has no split screen :)

[@porkchopsuitcase9906]

That is such a bummer no split screen, my wife plays that way with me too and is super into the base building/ resource gathering and I usually go hunt and smash zombies

[@OfficiallyDejected]

Still looks like the input delay is unplayable

[@Vedui42]

On the console you mean? it DID look sluggish. I wonder why tho?

[@juancristoforo]

Damn that joystick delay thou 😢😢😢😢

[@Vedui42]

It did seem a bit "laggy" in input didn't it? Or maybe just a player who's not used to console gameplay ;)

[@gelobledo]

I feel they should wait until they finish the game before bringing to console. Unless they plan on going gold soon. Dont feel that console will be able to do much more than 30 fps. With the wait of the game coming to console people could have gotten a cheap pc and been playing all the new stuff years ago. I feel like they will be happy to play but then be disappointed soon after. Playstation and xbox are already in need of a new console to keep up. It is good though that it is coming to the consoles lets just hope they can deliver and not do what they did last time.

[@Vedui42]

Hello! I think that was their original intent. Except... that means they have a console version ready NOW ...but can't launch it for 2 years.. or 3. Which causes issues on so many levels. That's why I suspect they've worked out it's better to release an EA on console too.

[@Ming1975]

So bored, wish they give us a RV. Guess i can roll play as a normad by storing the work benches in the car.😅

[@Vedui42]

Yeah a RV with workstations and your chests etc would be awesome :) Mobile base would work too!

[@Ming1975]

@@Vedui42 I've always wished for a 7daysToDie in Space Engineers. Too bad, all i have is a mod that made the starting part interesting.

[@N.i.g.h.t.m.a.r.e.z_]

I've said this before They'll cram 30fps down consoles throats and fuck over the console playerbase someway because they cannot optimise their damn game giving excuses they aint powerful enough they certainly are powerful machines (Mid range is powerful enough) even high end pcs struggle with this game because the optimising is garbage if they delay this game when july comes its a big red flag

[@Vedui42]

I suspect 30 fps is much more likely than 60fps yes :)

[@crusaderonthebox]

R.I.P Series S

[@Vedui42]

Yeah :(

[@505PRE]

Wait what??????

[@eznosfrfr4474]

Pc looks much much better

[@Vedui42]

It does. Granted, the recording TFP had is not super high definition, whereas the old console is, which does skew it a bit :) but new console looks much like pc does...finally!

[@markpeterson1027]

first?

[@Vedui42]

You were!

[@EvilReaper-wr3yh]

The movement on the old 1 was so sluggish so much i literally couldn't play it

[@Vedui42]

Really? It was that bad?

[@EvilReaper-wr3yh]

@@Vedui42 for me yeah, any form of sluggishness or delay in movement or button pressing is horrible.

[@Edy69420lol]

The fact that even after all those years, the game still looks like dog shit

[@daveyboy1978]

Did ya mum say for a fact you was lovely?

[@Vedui42]

The problem I see it, is that while it does look better.... due to slow updates it's still years outdated by the time it comes. If it looked like this 5 years ago sure. Today? No.

[@daveyboy1978]

@@Vedui42 I think something which would make a huge difference is ground textures for each biome. They are still pretty low resolution.