No free shipping for a 550 usd fragrance sounds insulting, ngl
@DakotaSmith0009 ай бұрын
You are not incorrect
@mrmike6169 ай бұрын
So not the $550 but the lack of free shipping is what knocked you out.🤔😂
@flightgravity74839 ай бұрын
If you’re dropping $550 on a fragrance it’s safe to say you’re not stressing over shipping costs.
@Katalin049 ай бұрын
@@flightgravity7483its the tought that counts, the fact that they say the same thing means they insult their customers
@WhiteRangerTP9 ай бұрын
Thats what insults you? Not the fact that they released a 75ml fragrance that costs 550$ while having an average designer performance of around 6 hours? (judging by all reviews i have seen so far).
@justadrummer19549 ай бұрын
You should add animated dollar signs coming out of the bottle when you spray it
@davidscott40929 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@DannyBellTheAuthor9 ай бұрын
I tried this at the Bloomingdale's and I thought it was great, but I didn't feel it was worth full retail at the moment since I already have Aventus. It was different enough and honestly I loved it, but I felt like if you have Aventus and don't want to shell out a few hundred bucks for a flanker, it was worth waiting.
@riseuplight4 ай бұрын
I don't have Aventus so I bought Absolut but at a steep discount
@sotirioschortogiannos43633 ай бұрын
absolu is aventus that has performance of an olympian. Hands down best ever fragrance.
@louisn136810 сағат бұрын
It’s was limited edition it’s off the market now
@Ghostzy019 ай бұрын
Was an instant cop for me after I smelt it, lovely addition to the collection.
@SAMPAdventures9 ай бұрын
Is it a worthy upgrade from the og, or distinctivley different
@Ghostzy019 ай бұрын
@@SAMPAdventures I wouldn’t consider it an upgrade in general, it is for me as I like these heavier scents but yeah both still have a place in my collection and are distinctly different to me while retaining that Aventus DNA. Kinda like Sauvage EDT vs the Elixir.
@mavennewbern59959 ай бұрын
Really like the graphic elements you used in this vid. I also noticed your thumbnails are better recently. Look forward to you sharing more sprays with us. 👍
@VictorHernandez-cz1be9 ай бұрын
I like this of you showing pictures of the perfumers. Had never really considered looking them up whenever they're mentioned, but it's nice to put a face to the names
@ryanmay16169 ай бұрын
I’ll wait for the clone 😂
@timepiece_enthusiast9 ай бұрын
Or just get Sauvage Elixir, apparently lol…
@harryporter70159 ай бұрын
@@timepiece_enthusiastthe thing is Elixir smell is only for period of time. Then it goes away. So the middle smell is similar to elixir. I have both and prefer Absolu
@timepiece_enthusiast9 ай бұрын
@@harryporter7015 have to stop by at my local perfumery to give it a try asap!
@JeanValljeann9 ай бұрын
The clone is already here: zimaya Sharaf Club. 90% to 95% accurate .
@spidermander4008Ай бұрын
Clones out, armaf precieux
@NotTheRealPD9 ай бұрын
Yay a new $400 cologne from one of the most prestigious and overpriced perfume houses to ever exist yay
@LetsGetitBoah9 ай бұрын
It lost all it's mystique to me when it sold out to a corporation.
@owencharnon209 ай бұрын
@@LetsGetitBoahthe family still owns a share and is actively involved in the business
@MrMalicious59 ай бұрын
That doesn’t even last 3-4 hours.
@Marcuss9259 ай бұрын
They sold their soul to devil.
@RuskiVodkaaaa9 ай бұрын
yea and on top of it, one of the most evil corporations on the planet...Blackrock of all companies @@LetsGetitBoah
@jaybowie65299 ай бұрын
I will wait on Club De Nuit Intense Man Absolute.👍 Armaf will definitely clone this fragrance.
@user-kl3lg7tf3n-anx1ous9 ай бұрын
Imagine the performance 5 years down the road when Creed will eventually turn this into a watered down shade of its past self (just like it did with the OG Aventus) 👀
@joemommaganja9 ай бұрын
it’s limited edition
@elfillari9 ай бұрын
In the future?? This patch is water akready!!!😂
@danwaite23039 ай бұрын
Agree stuff is cheaply made with high end price. Creed has gone down hill fast@@elfillari
@soccer90tem809 ай бұрын
Sauvage elixer wasnt that expensive after all now that i think about it 😂
@pld4279 ай бұрын
Terrific presentation! So I was walking through Bloomingdales back to my car and paused to look at their Creed collection and a sales lady approached me with this and yes, the opener just blew my mind! When she told me it’s a new Aventus I was surprised cuz I wasn’t impressed with the original Aventus. I’m happy with Irish tweed and especially Erolfa, but this was so different. I love it, but the price is kinda ridiculous, however, I’m not kicking myself. If it’s true this is only going to be available for a limited time, personally I think it’s cool. I use it sparingly. It’s like having a collectible.
@StuTheSoftwareAnalyst9 ай бұрын
Over 500 for a fragrance is outlandish tbh. I have a lot of things I overpaid for that I love, but to be honest I've come to the point where anything over 300 has become a cut off for me. Just feels like exploitation and marketing at a certain point.
@Scotlandsworstgamer9 ай бұрын
Im down to £150. I bought Creed Aventus n the performance was terrible. After that i said never again.
@PlatinumHustle9 ай бұрын
If you broke just say that
@Scotlandsworstgamer9 ай бұрын
@@PlatinumHustle who said i was " broke " its called being responsible @PlatinumDick
@doctorpanigrahi99759 ай бұрын
@@PlatinumHustleNeega Please ! I can buy your dad ,but I can't throw away $550 for a fragrance. I will wait for CDNM to bring out the copy.
@PlatinumHustle9 ай бұрын
@@doctorpanigrahi9975 if you broke just say that
@stephenstepp61509 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review, I'm gonna wait for the clone!
@bigbehr__9 ай бұрын
I have Creed Absolu Aventus arriving along with Edgewater and West Loop soon! Excited to try all three fragrances. With hearing that Absolu Aventus had some similarity to Sauvage Elixir (which is a love for me!) I had to pick it up for the collection. Great video as always ash, keep up the great work.
@ericg99429 ай бұрын
So you paid all that money for something similar to sauvage elixir 🤔
@KeyScents2239 ай бұрын
Would love to hear what’s your take on it.
@bigbehr__9 ай бұрын
@@ericg9942 got it at a discounter for a little bit under European MSRP I couldn't pass up that opportunity. Been saving up for all three these fragrances since I heard they were being released a few months back.
@kevinbaggett73919 ай бұрын
@@ericg9942don’t be so concerned with how others spend their money
@aedrake19779 ай бұрын
Seriously blind bought this?
@1manairband9 ай бұрын
What I did, was get three 2ML sample sizes for free by visiting the Department stores and now I have enough to get me by for some time. If that was all you used maybe. If you're a collector and it just sits there, not worth it.
@TheVolcano23349 ай бұрын
It’s Aventus beast mode. It lasted 24+ hours on me. Only reminded me of Aventus. Nothing else.
@DirtyDawg9 ай бұрын
Finally someone normal
@dnice61209 ай бұрын
If it lasted that long, that was a great buy.
@australiangent007512 күн бұрын
@@DirtyDawg- fully agree! A few accurate comments buried in here.
@real.m_jourdain73786 ай бұрын
I see creed is still adding water to their notes 😂😂😂
@UseDgh9 ай бұрын
Just smelled this in store. Now I understand why they went for 'Absolu' - 'Aventus Elixir' would have been too on the nose! Really shows just how influential Dior Elixir has become - I wonder if they regret not making it a standalone fragrance and not a flanker. The similarities here are pretty stark - it's a nice fragrance, but it's a bit sad to see such an influential scent become a copy cat in its new form. Also - the very opening part has a strange note that I associate with cheaper fragrances - not unpleasant - best I can describe as a bit papery - didn't ruin the fragrance and was soon gone, but a bit odd nonetheless!
@etpourtant75129 ай бұрын
Why would they make it a standalone when it is 99% similar with Aventus ?
@UseDgh9 ай бұрын
@@etpourtant7512Dior Elixir should be a standalone (I i.e. a new range/fragrance which as I understand it was originally intended to be, before being brought into the Savage range post-hoc), not Aventus Absolu.
@etpourtant75129 ай бұрын
@@UseDgh I thought you were talking about Aventus Absolu when you were wondering if they regret not making it a standalone fragrance and not a flanker. My bad.
@adriencrocoll9 ай бұрын
No free shipping, no magnetic cap, thank you Greed 😂 Edit: + the performance is average at best??
@Marcel-ff9gp9 ай бұрын
In europe directly on the creed website 320€ = 342$. And I had a 10% discount code for newsletter , so 288€ = 308$…..and free shipping 😅
@Jdmtunerlover9 ай бұрын
The clones are gonna be craaazy when they come out
@tinmanslickgreasy9999 ай бұрын
Yep i have a feeling the way he is describing this cologne this is going to be easy to clone it.
@FSSRKeyno9 ай бұрын
There's no new and unique scent that needs to cloned. Fools and their money.
@ericperry729 ай бұрын
Im already waiting on Armif to come up with their version
@karaboga59849 ай бұрын
@@ericperry72 "Club de Nuit Intense Man Absolute Limited Edition".
@eternalbattle14389 ай бұрын
Armaf, Al-Haramain, Lattafa and Afnan are already rubbin' their hands lol
@jredlamar9 ай бұрын
Nope! I'll wait for the Armaf Club de Nuit Absolute! 😂
@karaboga59849 ай бұрын
*Club de Nuit Absolute Limited Edition
@2dramaNaijatv9 ай бұрын
😆 me three
@Ac-he6eu9 ай бұрын
I happened to have a 20% discount code the day it launched, so I blind bought it. Ended up paying "only" $320. Thankfully I really like it. The opening is amazing, I wish it lasted longer. Also, I do see a similarity to Elixir, but that one smells disgusting on my skin, while Absolu doesn't.
@gfxdaddy9 ай бұрын
Hey Ash, LOVE the animated comparative graphics that so perfectly and simply convey exactly what you mean. Brilliant!
@michaelbullock80119 ай бұрын
Great review and I enjoyed it and I'm going to try it and have a blessed day
@sniffsnob9 ай бұрын
Feels like forever since I last watch Ash doing proper review like this one.
@doubleD12044 ай бұрын
I just tried the original aventus in a tester, I really like the scent but the performance on it really doesn’t justify that 300 dollar price tag. I get a better performance from EDTs that cost 40-80 dollars
@dnatural1iam239 ай бұрын
Trinidad Fan in the house....... Ash I know this a gr8 one but a little too rich for my blood 😅😅😅😅
@jpizz889 ай бұрын
🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹
@terryjones22639 ай бұрын
I'm already looking forward to the clone
@zomgitsmax8 ай бұрын
Harrods has it for $352 right now, which is weird because usually Creed is more expensive from Harrods, and TF is cheaper (it goes by what the companies set their prices as in the UK, and what the current exchange rate is) it’s literally cheaper than the 50mL bottle of Aventus right now, and it wasn’t at launch. I don’t think it’s doing so hot, and reviews haven’t been great, however I think that’s mostly due to the price point. If it was comparable to Aventus it’d probably have been a bigger hit.
@ImSaiyanYo9 ай бұрын
$380 shipped for me at Harrods,grabbed a couple..this one is a BANGER
@petkogichev38818 ай бұрын
Is it legit tho? How long does it lasts?
@jimlittle57697 ай бұрын
@@petkogichev3881 Is it legit? Are you asking if HARRODS sold a fake? They are an authorized Creed dealer.
@ryanmckay54879 ай бұрын
You know what's crazy.. I've been mixing Asad and CDNIM together for a while now and it's been sooo amazing!
@juanpimentel23389 ай бұрын
I was thinking Asad and Qaed AL Fursan would be interesting
@blinked0259 ай бұрын
It's the same price in Australia, but exchange rate makes it $200 cheaper
@arkantoskhan9 ай бұрын
Considering the price tag, if this fragrance is not a beast mode (like Sauvage Elixir), it is another Creed heist. I have the original Aventus and in terms of performance it is not worth it either.
@beefcurtainz699 ай бұрын
I am shocked people don’t get beast mode from OG Adventus. It lasts forever on me. And on top of that if you have smelled a pre-2014 aventus then there is no possible way you can say that has bad performance, as it lasts days
@aedrake19779 ай бұрын
@@beefcurtainz69where exactly can I get my nose on a 10 year old batch?
@beefcurtainz699 ай бұрын
@@aedrake1977 I mean I was just saying IF you had tried it, or in my instance, still have a bottle from that era. I know it’s difficult to find that now. The only place I can suggest would be decants of it or bottles on EBay. They have the old batches on there a lot.
@2dramaNaijatv9 ай бұрын
I bought a decant of Creed. Very pricy and I was disappointed with the performance. It did not last long for the price. However this is where the clones like Armaf Club de nuit intense did a better job
@albertaoridge9 ай бұрын
@@2dramaNaijatvI have a 2020 bottle and honestly it lasts a very long time. I really feel like people go nose blind to it. Ask people around you a few hours after application and see if they can smell you,
@jingledubz39899 ай бұрын
Great video as usual Ash. $545? Sheesh, man. I paid just over that for my first car back in 1994. That’s an insane price, but it’s Creed so I’m also not surprised in the least. Anyway, I’m sure Lattafa or one of those clone houses will mimic this one soon and save people $420 bucks.
@FruitCoupes9 ай бұрын
More like $500. They sell their clones for like $40 or less
@user-wy3rj6qn4n9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😊😊😊
@2dramaNaijatv9 ай бұрын
I am waiting on the Armaf clone to drop 😆
@elduccitv43049 ай бұрын
@2dramaNaijatv 🔥 🔥
@Rayver099 ай бұрын
Its 320€ in France btw. Still crazy expensive but not as absurd as the us price
@tylerdowd9 ай бұрын
Is it worth $550? No, absolutely not
@michaelmcdonald98479 ай бұрын
It’s a limited edition Aventus. It is worth the money. It will only gain value.
@CyberCashUSA5 ай бұрын
It depends on your financial situation, but you shouldn’t wear this when going to your work at KFC anyway, so no worries.
@misterkatz1009 ай бұрын
In Europe it is “quite” cheaper 320 €. And even though the price point is high I recon I only have to use 2 sprays rather than 5 with the original. In that perspective it is actually cheaper 😅
@jamesscott17119 ай бұрын
Beautifully explained Mr Ash. Well done. 👍
@aedrake19779 ай бұрын
I’ll drop $50 on the 105ml Armaf version with most likely twice the longevity and performance
@Imasteria9 ай бұрын
Which one is the Absolu clone?
@user-pp9bl5gr1n2 ай бұрын
Yea leave the quality fragrances for the people who care about quality
@rohang66119 ай бұрын
This fragrance is phenomenal
@ryan.langston9 ай бұрын
It's about $400 in the UK which is still crazy pricing!
@Marcel-ff9gp9 ай бұрын
In Germany directly on the creed website 320€ = 342$. And I had a 10% discount code for newsletter , so 288€ = 308$ …and free shipping. 😅
@ryan.langston9 ай бұрын
@@Marcel-ff9gp that is definitely better but it’s still veryyyyy high! 😂
@Marcel-ff9gp9 ай бұрын
@@ryan.langston This is true. But for Creed it's a usual price.
@ryan.langston9 ай бұрын
@@Marcel-ff9gp Very true
@Marcel-ff9gp9 ай бұрын
@@ryan.langston I don't understand why it's so expensive in the US. This can't just be due to taxes...or can it?
@qarhsi9 ай бұрын
Can't afford. Wouldn't buy if I could either!😂
@maniug73639 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 Same here
@qarhsi9 ай бұрын
@@maniug7363 🤣
@ZZZ3335 күн бұрын
But here you are
@mrchalkie19 ай бұрын
Got mine on the launch day.. its GORGEOUS !!!!!
@equilibrium21479 ай бұрын
Performance is around 8/10 in my skin . I’ve been wearing it for more than a week now. It’s more leaning towards the cold season but you still get some freshness even after 2 hours. That’s my take. Thank you Ash for this great review.👍🏼
@seanp78718 ай бұрын
2 / 10 on my skin
@flightgravity74839 ай бұрын
Pineapple is still in there. Creed recently updated the note information.
@australiangent007512 күн бұрын
Correct, mate. 👍
@America-ev4rk8 ай бұрын
You're the best at talking about every point.
@quintessentialbachelor3959 ай бұрын
I bought mine at the creed boutique in Dallas Tx, and did a review
@therooster45909 ай бұрын
Man seriously this might be the greatest fragnance review I 've ever seen. Great work mate !!! He made me want to buy it, he was so descriptive ... he made me believe that I can smell it. Subscribe right now from me !!! You won it !!!
@J_SANDMAN9 ай бұрын
I’ve just been to harrods to smell this today, loved the grapefruit twist in the opening
@OsmanYuekselSerden9 ай бұрын
Lattafa you will do it for 20box
@YT-CesarB9 ай бұрын
Waiting on the clone video
@bogart019 ай бұрын
Waiting for the Armaf clone
@Yarmox8 ай бұрын
I tried it. Its a pleasant scent honestly, didnt seem too unique though and doesnt have anything that warrants the price. It dried down faintly sweet, that’s really it
@Lastmanonearth9 ай бұрын
sounds like Armaf about to make record numbers next year.
@Nemo06109 ай бұрын
Can’t wait to get my nose on it but defiantly at $550 is insane. I think they called it “Aventus” to sell. No smoke, no pineapple, no birch, no black currant. Just call it an new name at this point.
@PeterCianci8 ай бұрын
Get "Insurrection II" it's less than $50 and smells exactly like Aventus (OG) and has an even longer half life. I've been buying it for years, NO ONE can tell the difference and I get compliments every time I use it. Love it!! I would never spend $550 on cologne, never. And, I can easily afford it. Blessings brother...
@user-ow3bn4hu3yАй бұрын
I this it’s exquisite ! So much so I return the next day… and bought a second bottle because it’s limited. 👍
@franknitti1009 ай бұрын
I guess Armaf is saying..."hold my beer"
@shawnconley72489 ай бұрын
Ordered it for $348 on Fragrancenet. Three hours later it was over $400.
@joemommaganja9 ай бұрын
that’s a steal it’s $460 now
@Marcel-ff9gp9 ай бұрын
In Germany directly on the creed website 320€ = 342$. And I had a 10% discount code for newsletter , so 288€ = 308$ …and free shipping
@AVENTUS77779 ай бұрын
Let me Buy you a bottle for free
@hp202379 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review man waiting on the clone 😂😂😂
@fusiontechno19 ай бұрын
Waiting for a clone 👏
@alejandro-vr9gv9 ай бұрын
The bottle probably needs to macerate more before it gets stronger
@australiangent007512 күн бұрын
You are spot on, mate. Completely surprised Ash didn't mention that. I'm sure his Absolu bottle is much improved by now.
@Fresh_Indeed9 ай бұрын
I smelled this at Nordstrom yesterday. I do like it but not enough to spend 500 plus on it. This should be super easy to clone so I'll just wait on the DUA or Alexandria clone and pay 60 for basically the same thing but with better performance 🤷🏻♂️
@denistoskov57239 ай бұрын
Dude, your articulations just sent my head into the dizzy realm😂
@nb432198 ай бұрын
I like this WAY better than Aventus original..don’t get the Sauvage Elixir comparison tho🤔..bought travel size of Absolu to rotate through my collection 😁😁
@SaSpursFan5 ай бұрын
I’m surprised creed “allows” fragrances to be sold at discounters where as Chanel dosent.
@everythinghere6689 ай бұрын
Great review ash.
@saltwatertaffybag9 ай бұрын
Hmm, interesting I'll try a decant. I never understood the aventus hype. I think others do the pineapple blend better for a lot less. I own some very expensive niche from Roja, Xerjoff, and PDM, but to my nose, I never felt creed justified the price point. Thanks Ash!
@Kinotabii9 ай бұрын
which ones do pineapple blend better for less? Would like to look into that.
@saltwatertaffybag9 ай бұрын
@Kinotabii Al Fursan and Cedrat Boise Intense come to mind. For anything in that "tropical fruity" genre I think Erba Pura by Xerjoff is the best of the best, but it's not necessarily a pineapple.
@Kinotabii9 ай бұрын
@@saltwatertaffybag Thanks I'll check them out!
@naatipictures5289 ай бұрын
In other words, I'll just layer Lattafa Asad with CDN Intense....viola same scent, for way less.
@dv20129 ай бұрын
Begins at 2:17
@andreicutar99599 ай бұрын
Gabriela Chelariu is Romanian, just like me! I am glad to see a Romanian perfumer doing amazing work, we have some amazing creators here! Can't wait to try your new scents!
@adimazga9 ай бұрын
🎉
@abboed.40769 ай бұрын
About 10 minutes (by bicycle) from where I live there's a luxurious niche store, so I'll just go in there from time to time, use the tester and leave again. 😶🌫️👍
@eaudetreasure9 ай бұрын
I'll layer my CDNIM with my Asad and be 95% there 😂😂
@krisztianwirsz36129 ай бұрын
Armaf is warming up the gas chromatograph cauldrons 😅
@victormora79959 ай бұрын
we will just wait for armafs version of it
@larryFWD8 ай бұрын
accurate review in terms of the comparisons made to og Aventus and elixir ds
@samellison50639 ай бұрын
V for Vetiver from Fort & Manle coming out...as a vetiver connoisseur, would love your take. West Loop and Edgewater on the way for me! Has me missing Chicago...
@agyemaneffahprince3475Ай бұрын
I liked your presentation was interesting watching alone 😅
@user-zh9cd6st6s9 ай бұрын
I’ve been waiting so long for this release
@stellarmotivation28139 ай бұрын
Can't wait for armaf or fragrance world to clone it
@iamshauncraggs9 ай бұрын
Completely agree, this is the best smelling Aventus, i just don't think I'm going to wear it as often as I'd like to because it was stupidly expensive 😅.
@valhallametals97799 ай бұрын
I paid $285 from Nose Paris with free shipping to the states. So to say this is a $500+ fragrance is kinda incorrect. It can be found much cheaper from other sources .
@obadamughrabi75458 ай бұрын
Afnan just released a cologne called ZIMAYA Sharaf The Club.
@mohdanwarullah94049 ай бұрын
Layer sauvage elixir & aventus. Boom you get absolu aventus.
@karaboga59849 ай бұрын
Layer Asad and CDNIM. Boom you get Absolu Aventus. Kinda...
@SomeRandomBod9 ай бұрын
Even if this is the best fragrance ever created i just can’t get past the price, I’ll stick to the original & Royal Oud.
@BrandonOakley-mt7ip9 ай бұрын
Literally just walked out of perfumania here in Edinburgh, IN... so disappointed that the didn't have the new ones
@musasiwisa61009 ай бұрын
As a wait for Armaf’s response 🧍🏽♂️
@eddwallis65909 ай бұрын
Alexandra? Dua? When you guys get a moment could you do your thing?
@kinessence46538 ай бұрын
I’ve got to say that I think the performance experience you’re sharing is unique to you and you alone. Both a friend of mine who has this and myself both have experienced about 10 hours per wear, and it only gets sort of weak close to the 8-9 hour mark
@amsequeira22829 ай бұрын
Great review Ash. Diggin the animation. Me personally, I’m going to spray Armaf CDNIM Limited on the right side of my neck & left side of my shirt. Then Sauvage Elixir on the left of neck / right side of shirt. Let the sillage blend together as I roam the office. Hopefully I get the same effect of Absolu
@rainydays20068 ай бұрын
Did it work?
@timr16279 ай бұрын
I'll wait for the Club de Nuit Absolu
@ambiven103 ай бұрын
Only frag worth its price from Creed is Royal Oud. 75 ml for $400 is just crazy, I will buy Microsoft stock in that money.
@jchem9 ай бұрын
Clones make the initial blast last to the drydown and leave the sauvage part out that will be great 👀🔥💥
@b4zod8089 ай бұрын
Yeah, is there anything out there like you stated?
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, like any clone has ever been able to replicate a Creed fragrance in the opening…
@1manairband9 ай бұрын
Not different enough to justify the cost... I could buy a whole lot of Michael Malul fragrances with that money 🙂
@motoredo3149 ай бұрын
Thank for your honest....your the best
@marioongi9 ай бұрын
Buy it from Europe, that’s what I did, €320+ship I end up paying $370 including shipping
@fatmirbecovic57689 ай бұрын
Ash makes me become a better collector 😂❤
@Spewf9 ай бұрын
I don't care if it smells like gods taint at 545$ there is just no way.
@1manairband9 ай бұрын
Buy Creed Aventus Cologne, at a discount, with Dior Sauvage Elixir and layer them together and save money.