New Epic Combat Doctrine!!! Testing On Units!?!

[@igordomanski3477]

Thanks for the service, dude, this type of content is always a must for the community!

[@andrechumela7439]

The grayhair garrison has been really in the dumps lately, but would that actually help a bit?? 🤔

[@clearmind9455]

Silahdars rock with this doctorine

[@Martellus89]

Plum you legend, this is exactly the info I was after, after getting it the other day. Kudos mate! Reapers, yyd and liaos would have been interesting, but good pool all the same.

[@Doom1461]

I would also like to see greyhairs. They could be interesting.

[@ShogunLarsRTX]

Liao are Great bro, I did and now are nice

[@TheRogueJedii]

Spinny Monks spin seems to count as only 1 attack.

[@thirtyalacrigade64]

Thanks for testing, hadn't had time to check. I managed to pull three of these docs so I'll put on zerks for PVE, shilidars for siege and probably camels after seeing your test results. Eventually when I get more docs they will end up on every special unit because why not. I noticed you can even put them on rattan rangers which isn't efficient but since that unit can barely use any docs at all it might be fun. Apparently Varangian guards and IR's can also use this doc (it appears on the list when i select the unit) so maybe IR's would be a good choice. I know VG's already have the heal and CC immunity built in so maybe doubling up on the effect with this doc would bring them back into meta.

[@thelichking3059]

It took about 60 to 70 treatises to get one of this doctrine edit: I have this on silahdars and OH BOY it’s amazing on em

[@Marsh132]

You say fenrirs are not very good with that doctrine but you dont use them with their 2, wich makes them to fight insanely. And the same for axe riders, try to use them without axes in melees

[@Plumsion]

Fenrir's were the first unit I put it on when I got it... played 12 hour stream with it, came to the conclusion it was a bit meh...

[@Marsh132]

@@Plumsion ok

[@Marsh132]

@@Plumsion ok

[@TheNobby1972]

i have used 110 treatise trying for this doctrine & failed :(

[@ainsowl2670]

I used 40 treatise and got 3 of them. I guess there is a reason why my whole house members call me the guy who is blessed.

[@hurstiwursti]

Instinctively i put them on my mace Sargents to increase their durability even further.

[@dilonlouzek9689]

I was hoping to see elite rattan rangers. With how fast there rate of fire is it might be interesting to see.

[@TheToxikblaze]

Greyhair garrison?

[@dr.warner2288]

Curious how this works with shieldmaidens triple strike @plumsion :3

[@dr.warner2288]

(not sure if they can equip the doctrine)

[@deathsoul800]

And i am still trying get the poison doc to rattans marksmans 😅

[@Tyromant]

Thank you very much!

[@klaasvaak2575]

didn't they change something with how it activates? That it is not not on hit but on unit attack. (really sad about silhadars if its true)

[@sythel4488]

actually for falconetis... does a tower hit count ? that could enhance dmg vs towers? so less time to down them ?

[@Plumsion]

True true but can't confirm if that works or not

[@ShogunLarsRTX]

Bro, and the Reapers, Veterans, and mounted crossbowman?

[@harszmarsz]

What about iron reapers ?

[@Plumsion]

at the moment, reapers are probably the best for this doc ( on sword mode )

[@harszmarsz]

@@Plumsion any specific way to build them (veterancy) ? Going back to the game after a brake.

[@tamvu9909]

I used it on Fenrir and love it!

[@braveheart4946]

How about Chavaliers?

[@Zuke3b]

Amazing video Plum!

[@giathuongnguyen792]

what about IR ?

[@rlifeh]

Thanks!

[@Doom1461]

How many doctrines did you have to use to get one? I put 40 doctrines into this one and into the special lance one no luck :(.

[@bobum5896]

love review clips like this

[@andrechumela7439]

Btw, that doctrine is for special only right?? (so, no man at arms nor shieldmadens nor stalwarts I would say 🤔🤔)

[@Plumsion]

Unfortunately not, just special units

[@andrechumela7439]

@@Plumsion Got really pumped up thinking maibe maidens could make a small stand to man at arms, but that thought went down the drain xD

[@tonyp8762]

Plum, why does it take forever to get into an Expidition?

[@Plumsion]

just not many people doing it, try expedition 1 or 2 sometimes the go slightly fast

[@jvbrillantes1]

can do this next pls!! "warborn trench warfare" doctrine

[@GMeisch]

Do u think it works also good on mushas? Since they have a lifesteal doc on his own? So with both they have good healing + dmg?

[@Plumsion]

cant put it on mushas sorry dude :(

[@sirapopsriaumpai8178]

How about units with cover commander like imperial spear guard and shield maiden? Can they use this doctrine?

[@teddykazandjiev]

No, because this doctrine can be used by units who are "Special". Both Imp spears and Maidens are classified as Tower Shields and they can't use this doctrine.

[@Plumsion]

No unfortunately not only units classed as a special units

[@cmackay76]

currious if it would be worth on units like onamuchas, ipg, stalwarts and forte's...

[@seemingly_useless8700]

Only works on special units, stalwarts are shields, ipg forte are pikes

[@agamersimprint5658]

Why didn’t u try the yyd cav?

[@Plumsion]

I did but it's was so bad on them it wasn't worth including. Had to swing so many times to make anything happen.

[@kaleidoscope3234]

where is the YYD test?

[@Tyromant]

Just to be sure: When the doctrine says "after every 3 attacks, ..." Does this mean that you also get the damage bonus when the healing and cc immunity effect activate?

[@Plumsion]

After three hits you get 11% damage on next hit, three more hits you get 15% of you max health as healing, three more hit you get 2.5 sec of CC immunity. repeat

[@Tyromant]

@@Plumsion okay, thx! But you understand my point, right?

[@Plumsion]

@@Tyromant think if they hit fast enough you could get all three at the same time

[@Tyromant]

Yes, for example the flame throwers. They glow in all colous of the rainbow😂 I mean that that the 11% damage also trigger on hit number 6, 9, 12 and so on because it says "every 3 attacks".

[@seemingly_useless8700]

Does sipho firestorm proc this multiple times?

[@Plumsion]

yes

[@seemingly_useless8700]

​@@Plumsioncool but I think silahdars are the best option for the unit

[@thetrav2100]

thanks for testing man if u ever wanna test unit mechanics hmu im on na but we can do custom matches

[@Plumsion]

I will next time bro beans, I did this at 4 in the morning so was a little dead

[@Justjay965]

Hey try halberds I think this doctrine might make them pretty good when braced

[@Plumsion]

It can only be used on special unit, so units without a Pacific roll

[@metoobey1284]

berserker and ıron reaper op ?

[@pedrocosta-eg8qe]

no VG's?

[@Plumsion]

Unfortunately missed them out. But I hear its not a bad choice.

[@narvaez355]

plum, against the training swordmans y used the 1 spam whit the jangjus and they wirk better, i think in blue sieges and wars y will use them as a staple unit

[@MFShro0m]

Did you test it on reapers? Didn’t see them and don’t know if I just missed them haha

[@hurstiwursti]

Could be insane on sword using tiger step.

[@cryzhentia7514]

Pls make a camel vid only got 1 to spare but with all the jav and burst dmg i don't know how they do in siege

[@teddykazandjiev]

From what I have seen the order in which to put this doctrine is 1. Silhadars ( I have a mate from our House who plays Silhadars with fushion doctrines and last season he smashed so many people with them). The point being is they are an ok unit, they become good ( A or A+ tier with solid doctrines) and this thing could bring them into low S tier. They do beat Iron Reapers and they do beat ISG over a bit of time. The ISG can't kill you and the 2 skill is very solid vs shields. 2. The next unit would be camels becuse they wonder around and every guy acts as his own separate unit 3. Berserkers. Granted, as seen in your Season 7 video your zerkers are pretty meh with green doctrines still. Mine are with full fushion doctrines and they beat a lot of stuff. The only real counter is shields and halb sergeants.

[@vojteskaaaaaa6]

Still the best units are yolo cav,javelin sergeants ,(full mastery), ona musha. (Javelins can do easily 100+unit kills) same as yolo cav

[@Marsh132]

@@vojteskaaaaaa6 onamusha are very squishy. You can kill them with all purple units

[@vojteskaaaaaa6]

@@Marsh132 and what still I easily can get with theme 50+ kills

[@teddykazandjiev]

@@vojteskaaaaaa6 IMp javs are just as strong, if not better, yolo cav gets fucked by Fortes and Fully leveled Modao with good doctrines. Onna musha get beat by Stalwarts and Imp shields + range damage. I would say the best, most versatile unit in the game, especially if you get tier 5 fushion doctrines on it are Imp Shields. Sure it isn't a big damage dealer but it will kill things eventually and it will never die ( especially if you are a LS like me and have the cc immunity doctrine on them).

[@vojteskaaaaaa6]

@@teddykazandjiev yeye we can be here endless time because I got games with 200+ units kills frequently so I dont care. I killing everything you telling mě its suppost to kill my units. I think I am not thst stupid to just yolo in front forte. My jm serg javelins make on themselfs around 160 unit kills. Imp can be easily beated they Re too close to be fucked. Ona musha you must have IQ to used theme. Wich is fine :)

[@MFShro0m]

Could you start adding time stamps to your videos pls? It’d make navigating them so much easier

[@Marsh132]

Fenrir sons with this doctrine 💀

[@owenharris6404]

Reapers are great with it

[@Smauel20120807]

the actual waste of a doctorine is on rattan rangers xd

[@Zuke3b]

would it be tho? They could be a menace with their poking ability

[@drayton5073]

Tier list when?

[@dafruk1]

Tldr - camels look awesome with it.

[@darthxigo297]

I love using my huskarls, sadly they are so so atm, but u think they could benefit from this? they attack pretty fast why they are max buffed. Anyway, just wondering if they cand do better with some immunity for when i pull em out of the attack.

[@Plumsion]

huskarls are a buckler unit so they couldn't use this anyway

[@fabilichusaquaman4263]

I use this doc on my liaos, and they absolutt smash everything!

[@Anilionie0815]

Mace sergs 30% heal then?

[@Plumsion]

yeah :D

[@JustinM3177]

you missed the most important ones.. iron reapers..

[@VishwajeetVatharkar]

Why not to try on iron reapers?

[@Plumsion]

its was like 4 in the morning so i didn't get around to every unit. i have tried it on iron reapers and its good but works much better with them in sword mode

[@deezboyeed6764]

Completely randomly, two things. First aeems the algorithm picked your channel up, noce content dude. Second do you recommend runnimg blunt boom boom musket or piercing pew pew musket?

[@Plumsion]

Thanks dude! In terms of musket, it depends if you want to go hero killing musket or unit killing musket. Agility for hero killing, strength for units.

[@bluja7ekjddkd652]

your better than alot of top cb yt pages

[@warspaniel]

Rattan Marksmen? With their rate of fire, it would be insane...

[@GeneralAblon]

Two words: Rattan Rangers

[@Thrakedon]

Sadness, I was hoping to see this used on Varangian Guard.

[@thetrav2100]

still wont make them good, their defenses and block values are just not high enough still, power creep has made them useless until they get a proper buff they are a crappy unit imho

[@SVGDeadlyGhost4781]

VG is not a special unit… Only special units can use this doctrine.

[@Thrakedon]

@@SVGDeadlyGhost4781 Yes they are. It's right beside their name.

[@SVGDeadlyGhost4781]

@@Thrakedon hmm, that is odd, last time I looked they were a buckler infantry, even still have all my buckler doctrines on them lol, either way, not a good unit anyways sadly, they need major buffs

[@Thrakedon]

@@thetrav2100 Honestly, not wrong but I was still curious whether this could be useful on them.

[@reneschaflein7910]

For the algorythm !

[@battosaikenshin849]

Any news about the upcoming tier 5 longbow unit? I wanna get those fr

[@janitraclan5643]

How about liao ranger, they can shot and swing😂..

[@katarinajenniferschtaffenb9113]

Was hoping to see if it works with Rattan Marksmen. That crossbow fires super fast

[@deezboyeed6764]

I am tempted to go for kriegs, heros already dive then and get deleted the extra damage and heal would just help

[@adamstone5865]

I have it on my reapers it’s pretty good

[@deezboyeed6764]

This could be good on my facourite machine gun boys the kriegsrat.

[@andreipopescu7872]

You should try on shield maidens and iron reapers too. Or ISG when they walk...maybe they get the cc imunity.

[@Zuke3b]

only special units

[@guillermin1234]

@@Zuke3b guys what does a migration token do?

[@bizon4129]

​@@guillermin1234change where your camp is

[@guillermin1234]

@@bizon4129 what camp?

[@bizon4129]

@@guillermin1234 your units, all your stuff, you can change where it will be, its in main city by default

[@DocOdette]

Not sure if my myrm will be good with this new docs

[@Plumsion]

Can only be put on special units

[@linksghost]

the game robed me i used 200 treastie, 10 spirits and i got pure garbage in return

[@Plumsion]

Ouch sorry to here that dude

[@TheVirtualRogue]

Rattan is stronger then steel!

[@vojteskaaaaaa6]

You know there is thing with Right Order with your doctrines ? If you know how to make proper doctrines equiped in right order they get big boosts and then it will work (this doctrine)on monks and it will proc otherwise it get overwriten like lots of docs. You need to have theme in right order otherwise they mostl dont work xD tested

[@hurstiwursti]

Can you elaborate on that?

[@ZeLabRat]

@@hurstiwursti He meant the ordering of the doctrines matters in this case. For instance, regarding this video's testing with monks, the new doctrine was seen to be above the heal doctrine. So when he went to actually test it, the seasonal heal doctrine likely overwrote the new doctrine trigger. For monks, the new doctrine has to be on the very bottom of the doctrine ordering for it to have priority over the other doctrines. This also appears to be the case for some of the other units.

[@byron7164]

​@@ZeLabRati play the game since S4 and have never heard some doctrines overwrite other doctrines

[@ZeLabRat]

@@byron7164 Yea I've never heard of such things too. But keep in mind, we never had the option of putting multiple doctrines that stacked the same additional special effect on a unit. Most doctrines released from S4 to now really only added stats or decreased cooldowns.

[@hurstiwursti]

@@ZeLabRat i always thought the spaces were random. Good to know that there are priorities

[@charlesbanian9495]

Rattan cross bow

[@ChaosMachine-cb]

yolo cav

[@iyaf4l3x64]

to proc it every 9. time u go in ? also they alredy have cc imunity

[@Plumsion]

Couldn't bring myself to do it 😅 i joke totally forgot they could have it

[@vojteskaaaaaa6]

​@@iyaf4l3x64its not proc every 9 charge you go in. They proc it in one charge all of theme ;)

[@partikolaras5807]

animusha?? 😂😂

[@alperentek1964]

girls??

[@Plumsion]

Can't use it on onna musha

[@johnnyc4357]

that would be broken af

[@alperentek1964]

@@Plumsioni meant shield maidens 😂

[@Zergling.]

@@alperentek1964 haha, same problem my dude, they are not a special unit.

[@pimpyo7829]

@@alperentek1964 onna musha is pole arm unit, shield maiden is tower shield unit. if onna musha is able to equip this doc it would be rox