New etiquette developing for charging electric vehicles

[@kirkwagner461]

I totally want these two newscasters to keep on talking and never ask their guest a single question before the segment ends.

[@SupervillainDW]

That would be a great SNL sketch 😂🤣

[@SunnynPhilly]

Pretty much every episode of Real Time with Bill Maher

[@MadnessMotorcycle]

@@SunnynPhilly Lefties love the sound of their own voice.

[@NightSociety]

that's bcuz this wasn't the evening or morning news where time is limited, it's the extras, extended, 24/7 where anchors tend to go off with discussions

[@mujjuman]

Ironically, they were lacking etiquette.

[@savannahm.laurentian1286]

Being considerate applies to all things from phones to charging stations. There's no "new etiquette." Newsflash: YOU are not the only one on the road, on the sidewalk, in the restaurant, store aisle, or charging your car. Courtesy is pretty simple. It's sadly not-so-common courtesy anymore.

[@encoremultimedia3511]

You are correct but it seems like Americans have given up on etiquette and manners in general.

[@mujjuman]

Most Americans are self-centered.

[@PMitchell106]

Everything here is right up until the very last word. The idea that people used to be more considerate in the past is not based in reality. People have always been at least as inconsiderate as they are today, but there were not as many situations where their discourteous behavior would be easily noticed. While we all have more anecdotes from the recent past than we do from the distant past, the rate of being inconsiderate is roughly the same.

[@davepov]

@@PMitchell106 I don't believe this is true. I grew up in the 1950's, 60's and 70's and I believe people are much more inconsiderate, rude and impolite (not to mention outright violent) today than in the past. I NEVER saw my parents or my friends parents, get mad in public. In fact, quite the opposite. The worse thing I occasionally saw happen was someone would cut ahead of my dad in, let's say, a parking lot. He would just shrug it off and look for another spot. No cursing, no anger and if I said something to him about it he always replied, "not worth getting upset over." My parents and their friends would NEVER have even considered being rude to a flight attendant. They taught me the same manners. I could fill pages with examples of what it was like then when the Greatest Generation ran things. Today however, I see rude and inconsiderate behavior DAILY! The worst (and probably the most dangerous) is while driving but I also see it in grocery stores, at sporting events and elsewhere. Sure this is all anecdotaI but I imagine it's hard to quantify such behavior with statistics. I have to just go by what I see. Or you could ask my wife how many times in a week I exclaim, "Holy moly did you see/hear that!?!

[@captainbuddyfantastic4181]

Although etiquette is new to a lot of these entitled people in America.

[@bradfordjhart]

Also, remember that you can charge an EV on a regular outlet. You'll get about 80 mi per day of charging. You don't actually need a fast charger if you live in a home with electricity

[@TotallyJoel]

​@William Bunch DC fast charging is much more expensive than home charging.

[@peternystrom921]

@@WilliamBunch897 Whats your point? You can charge on the evening and when you sleep you know. Start charging 10 pm and end 7 Am thats 9 hour.

[@tom_hoots]

And if you live on the third floor of an apartment building, you can just spend several hundred dollars on a 500-foot extension cord, and try to drop it down to the ground, and then drag it over to your car out in the parking lot. Where anyone could just unplug your expensive extension cord, and you return to a car that hasn't been charged at all, overnight. "EVERYONE" is not an accurate concept when it comes to battery electric vehicle charging.

[@truhartwood3170]

​@William Bunch you're assuming you're draining your EV every day. Most people don't. You can charge around 4 miles/6 km per hour from a 110V outlet. So take your tyoical driving day and divide by that to see how long it will take to charge back up. My commute is 26km (round trip), so would only take about 4hrs and 20min on a regular outlet. If I get home at 5:30 it's done charging before I even go to bed at 10pm. If my commute was double that it's still done charging by 2:10am. Triple my commute and its done charging at 6:30am. I'd have to quadruple my commute to make 110V charging not viable.

[@PersonaN007Grata]

120V was getting about 3 miles per hour for a Tesla S. If you get home at 6 or 7pm and plug in overnight, by the time you leave for work at 8am, it only gets about 40-50 miles.

[@astropioneer3296]

Love how they have a guest reporter on to talk about what she learned then barely let her talk!

[@rufuslynks8175]

sounds like hotels should offer a "charging valet" service to rotate vehicle through the chargers

[@QuintanBrassfield]

Some do exactly that. My wife and I have use that very same type of valet service when using parking garages in NYC.

[@JohnDoe-vy5hh]

Or charge people's credit cards an increasing amount per minute for leaving their vehicle hooked up to the charging station after it is finished.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@JohnDoe-vy5hh Idle charges are a thing. Tesla charge for being connected and not charging. With hotels that wouldn't work too well, you can't reasonably expect someone to get up at 2am to move their car. Idle fees work best for rapid charge stations.

[@PersonaN007Grata]

@@JohnDoe-vy5hh Around here, Tesla chargers charge an idling fee of $0.50 per minute, 5 minutes after your charge is complete. I’ve heard that some busy locations charge $1.00 per minute.

[@mujjuman]

@@PersonaN007Grata Here in NY it's $1 per minute after a 10 minute grace period.

[@groupeone23]

I was appalled at the CBS News hosts lack of preparation for their interview with the guest. Their display of ignorance and repeating some myths were jaw-dropping. Certainly the guest provided useful points to consider. But the CBS News hosts never discussed the challenges faced by EV charging providers, the time needed to build a high-power charging location, particularly the long and complex process to get a new site selected, approved by local authorities, and getting a completed location commissioned by the utility company, which averages at least 81 days AFTER the site has been built. Hopefully, the coming surge of federal and state funds will help accelerate the growth of DC Fast Charging and Level 2 public chargers nationwide. One thing to note: The expectations on EV charging companies is huge. But keep in mind that it took generations, not merely a few years, for America to build out the network of gas stations that we take for granted today. Infrastructure takes time.

[@mikehernandez452]

Sadly most News hosts don’t have any idea of how an EV works and therefore giving wrong information and delaying the electric movement.

[@billyyank5807]

Once they figure out the profits like they make from oil/gas you'll see more. Duh.

[@patrickweaver1105]

I'm appalled that the charging infrastructure is woefully lacking in 90% of the country. It's also appalling that there are no uniform standards for charging equipment and connections. Didn't it occur to manufacturers that it would be necessary to develop at least one unified standard that every EV can use besides a 120v extension cord strung out the window and across the sidewalk?

[@garbagedidudirty]

The problem isn't the lack of infrastructure that I can understand it takes time. The big problem right now as a ev owner is that if one of the few charging stations around you break it's not gonna get fixed ever so now you gotta go farther to charge

[@k8923]

@@garbagedidudirty Exactly the point I was making in my message above (well, actually 9 above).

[@k8923]

First rule: never trust that you can charge at a destination charger. Charge at public high speed chargers where there are multiple stalls. This is why Tesla has the biggest market share of EV's now...they built out a national charging network with the money they were making selling their cars. I've seen charging stations with places for 40 vehicles. There's one at Harris Ranch that has 100 stations. They're also really good at keeping them in working order since they know immediately if one goes down. Reliability has been a big problem with the other charging networks, which can turn people off to EV's. But I've never had to wait for a Tesla charger.

[@babybirdhome]

I hate that Tesla is the only company that’s done it right. And the sad and frankly pathetic thing is that they showed the whole world how to do it right, and yet not ONE other company has bothered to follow their lead and build what needs to be built. It’s shameful.

[@anthonyenosis1]

Tesla got *The money from the government and selling carbon offsets* ... Fixed it for you. Tesla loses money on its cars. They make their money from government subsides and carbon credits to big oil.

[@larrydugan1441]

What a boondoggle

[@Crunch_dGH]

No range anxiety for Teslas, but for ALL non-Tesla (non-NACS) cars.

[@usflin]

Harris Ranch has quite a few charging spots but way less than 100.

[@BryceLovesTech]

As a long-term Tesla owner remember 90% of all charging is done at home do you do not go to public charger so often because every day you wake up and you have a full tank of electricity from your house. Also, remember that 80% of people live in a single-family dwelling in America. 2:28

[@Dactylonian]

Yup, your gas station is in your garage for Level 1 and Level 2 charging. About $0.20/kWh vs about $0.50/kWh at DC fast chargers. It’s a shame that non-Tesla EV buyers are being given 2 or 3 years free at Electrify America; forces people to build bad habits.

[@usflin]

What does single family dwelling have to do with it? I live in a multifamily dwelling and all of my neighbors who own electric vehicles have installed their own chargers in their parking spots.

[@MrRaleighman123]

Why do you have expert guests if you don't let them speak?

[@Mkg254]

It’s not “range anxiety” it’s “charger anxiety”

[@CameronEly]

Exactly! You know how much charge you have but not how good a charger will be!

[@wcovey25]

so both

[@bmw803]

​@Cameron Ely Good point. My local Chevy dealer put an "out of order" sign on the DCFC. Was told by the service manager than they don't plan spending the money repairing it as it's cost prohibitive. The real incentive was the generous tax write off to install one.

[@debragherman6196]

Why don’t you let her talk since she is the one with the knowledge. You guys have not shut up for a minute. Why did you invite her to speak?

[@OptimusOne]

I stopped charging my EV in public especially when the pandemic restrictions eased up because the drama associated with is so not worth it. I still own a gas-powered vehicle for longer trips.

[@davidrobertsemail]

You own two cars! Is that for the environment?

[@kenbob1071]

The vast majority of charging is done at home --not "in public." Can't speak for other cars, but Teslas are pretty easy to take on long trips. Never had a problem with Supercharging on the road.

[@newagain9964]

​@@davidrobertsemail 💡 EV culture is NOT pro-environment, or they would be advocating for improved public transportation. EVs are a joke and EV culture is cringe.

[@MeatballMedic]

This “etiquette” should be common sense, regardless of how new EVs are.

[@bradfordjhart]

The biggest mistake they make is by putting the chargers at the front of the parking lot where it's too tempting for regular stupid people to park in those spaces and they don't have EVs.

[@73av8r5]

Yep. We have a hospital near us with 10 Chargepoints in front of it. The other day there were 8 gas vehicles parked in these spots…..very frustrating. 😡

[@1jtwister]

they did that as a sortof de-facto handicapped spot as folks who drive external combustion engines are mentally challenged

[@yourgooglemeister6745]

I do that all the time with my diesel. You think you are entitled to a prime parking spot just because you have an EV? 🖕

[@silverpurkat]

@@73av8r5 that’s where should be laws to ticket those idiots.

[@usflin]

​@@1jtwister Not true. They did it as a perk to incentivize EV use. Most people can't afford EVs as they are more expensive than gas or hybrid.

[@drwalker9093]

Our household has two cars - one gasoline, one electric - and the 10-year-old electric FIAT 500e doesn't have the range it once had. It is great for short-haul use, such as commuting or shopping (unless something big needs to be carried). Back when a lot of places had free charging, I would "opportunity-charge" if it was convenient. It has only _needed_ to be charged away from home a couple of times over the years. The FIAT gets used almost every day, the gas car gets used less than half of the days. When I had only the FIAT, I'd rent a car for longer trips - usually, once per year. That might sound expensive, but the electric is so cheap to operate and maintain that it made up for that expense.

[@pinkelephants1421]

And this scenario could EASILY apply to 90-95% of people. You DON'T need a tank to pop to the local shops, do grocery shopping, dropping kids of at school etc or drive to work. This OBSESSION with an EV MUST have at least 250 - 300 mile range is ridiculous for those 1 or 2×/yr you 'roadtrip' when, depending on where you live in the world, daily roundtrip range is anywhere between 6 and 40 miles. Small EV's would be suitable for the vast majority of people's needs. Americans would be totally horrified at what European & UK drivers call a 'family' car. Hatchbacks are enormously popular; the Honda Civic arguably one of the most popular. People think absolutely nothing of chucking a family of four, complete with the kid's car seats, pushchairs & groceries into the back of a small hatchback; it's just the routine fare of daily life.

[@chrisgentile3530]

Ok so as an owner of an electric car I can tell you the following 1) Tesla by far has the best, most reliable charging network for road trips. The idea of supercharging is not to charge your battery to full but to charge to enough to get to your destination or to the next supercharger. With using that model, your there maybe 15 min max and your back on the road. Now this charging network was built exclusively for Tesla by Tesla. Now however you wish to feel about the company itself, it is very rare that I have ever pulled up to a supercharger and had issues. It just works. 2) CCS charging which is everyone else basically, has been built by several other companies. Electrify America is by far the largest. From what I have read on my research as well as videos on here in KZbin, it has to be one of the most unreliable experiences that one could imagine. This is also what causes lines and frustration. Chargers not working properly or delivering extremely slow speeds, being located in dark Walmart parking lots also sour the experience. 3) Etiquette is the same as if you were at a gas station….. just fill your car and move along. The biggest thing I have seen while charging my tesla at different sites using level 2 charging is being ICED (having a gas car taking the parking space by the charger). If the charger is full just follow the line and when its your turn fill up enough to get to the next way point of your trip.

[@dpharr100]

The joy of waiting on your electric car to charge Where do I sign up?

[@kenbob1071]

I own a Tesla and have never had a problem charging on the road. Where there are hotels, there most likely are nearby Superchargers as well so if the hotel's chargers are used, you can usually find a nearby Supercharger.

[@oisiaa]

Hotel charging is overnight charging (they take 8-12 hours for a full charge). If I roll in at 7PM, I'm not unplugging at 4AM. Only fast DC chargers should be unplugged right away when finished.

[@MiddleAgedMillennial]

Weird coincidence, that this video came out like the same day as that Tesla/EV charging station shooting in Denver

[@bucktooth002]

Made because that happened.

[@myolox]

@@bucktooth002 Yes very convenient timing. More charging station at hotels while lodging sounds very convenient and an advantage from other area competitors.

[@MiddleAgedMillennial]

@@bucktooth002 yeah the shooting happened but isn’t this other video we are commenting under a fluff piece about Tesla etiquette and could of came out any other day?

[@phillyphil1513]

exactly, the situation is already swirling the toilet. the "countdown to violence" at charging stations (Tesla or CCS) has already been under way for a few years and now it's arrived. mark the date folks of May 3 2023, cause unfortunately from this point we will now see a "ramp up" of more and more incidents (not unlike the latest Mall shooting in Texas).

[@bluebiplane]

@@myolox I've been saying this to hotel staff for years. Maybe now they'll start to get it.

[@wineberryred]

When they install a DC fast charger they need to add a sign that says Waiting line starts here so that it's clear where you should wait if the charging station is full. On my road trip last summer I only ran into this problem once out of 31 charging sessions and I noticed that somebody was waiting so I got behind them.

[@goodbodha]

Get a tesla use the supercharger network. Dont depend upon a hotel charger. Instead plan to have range to a supercharger and if you get lucky and can use the hotel charging congrats.

[@GtheBarber]

I don't like when I'm charging and someone parks next to me trying to charge when other spots are open. They don't know it slows us both down

[@k8923]

True. The networks should have lights on the chargers that show where you can currently get the "optimal charge rate." Then people would seek those out.

[@cgamiga]

yup, not all Tesla owners understand how the V2 150kw stations work. Similarly for non-Tesla chargers/EVs, many owners don't understand how bad it is to plug their 50KW-max Chevy Bolt, into the super-speed 350KW charger, while a poor Taycan or Kia owner who can use it, is stuck on the slow 50-100kw charger stall... everyone now charging slow as molasses. Slowpokes, should go in the slow lane (IF it is available.)

[@newagain9964]

@@cgamiga EVs are a joke and EV culture is cringe.😃

[@bluebiplane]

A surprisingly good segment about EVs in mainstream media. The key: an anchor who's an EV owner and a guest who also really did their homework and/or also drives an EV. Be very wary of EV 'experts' who don't own an EV; that goes for policy makers and even some 'environmentalists' too. Hotels are way behind the power curve in providing this amenity. (I never use the pool or gym but I sure would use the charger if available.) Just 4-5 years ago even new hotel construction often did not include EV infrastructure. They were not building for the needs of the future or thinking strategically in terms of transportation. There are also significant challenges regarding commercial power electricity rates in the form of demand charges. State Public Service Commissions need to take a hard look at this and structure fair rates accordingly. Big part if the problem at hotels?: No EV owner/drivers on staff or in the big corporate headquarters making the development decisions at the right time in the process.

[@newagain9964]

ffs.the future is NOT EVs.

[@houseofno]

Put it in perspective. There have been automobiles since the late 19th century but we didn't get gas stations until the 1920s or 1930s and it wasn't until 1956 that President Eisenhower signed the highway act creating the federal interstate highway system.

[@juliahello6673]

You should always be guaranteed an adequate charge at a hotel, or else you could be stranded. It’s not a matter of etiquette, it’s a matter of scheduling. Hotel chargers need to have software where you can schedule for a certain amount of time - enough to charge your car. There needs to be large idle fees if you are still there when the next person’s time slot starts. We could have perfect etiquette but if there happens to be too many EVs that day, not everyone will be able to charge.

[@JohnDoe-vy5hh]

Yes. Huge fees for leaving the vehicle hooked up to the charger after vehicle is finished. Increasing amount by the minute. That will teach people to walk away and forget about it.

[@cgamiga]

Hotel chargers are often done overnight, as guests sleep, so idle fees then are hard (eg the wake up at 2am part host mentioned.) Daytime chargers, such as at work, malls, etc... those could enforce, or start charging a parking fee at least, to get folks to move at some point... but, folks do need enough time to finish shopping/eating/watching movie etc Level2 chargers are a LOT cheaper to install (and power) vs fast chargers, so hotels could build out a lot more... Tesla often does some installs for free as partner. For now, smart drivers need to consider destination level2 chargers as "nice to have", not "must use". Always put a fast charger in your nav route in the car (or app) to make sure you can reach one. Idle fees are much more important at fast chargers, especially non-Tesla where there are often only 4 stalls and only 2 working... for roadtrippers, folks MUST have fast turnover and availability to get going. If someone sits there and camps for an hour, charging say their VW to 100% since they get a year of free fast charging w/ Electrify America as part of the car purchase, saving a few bucks vs charging at home... and charging that last bit 80-100%, takes as long or more than the entire 10-80%!... that can STRAND someone desperate on a road trip. Extremely rude. I don't think EV makers should give away free fast charging for this reason... Even Tesla got burned by it a bit, especially in like LA where lots of early adopters got lifetime free supercharging, they crowd the urban chargers and they are often full. (they don't give this away any more)

[@ryen7512]

Its not a problem for Tesla's but for all other EV's on the road because the DC fast network sucks in the US.

[@GeoffJohnson]

Idle charges are hard, do you really want to have to wake up at 3AM because your car just finished and you want to avoid being billed $10/hr?

[@jkxss]

Why can't they just auto eject after they reach the chosen charge? Make the cables long so that even if they are still parked next to the charger someone could connect a car or two away.

[@DillDough4u]

I have no problems getting gas at gas stations. Isn’t it common knowledge when buying an EV that there aren’t enough chargers in public? Charge at home. If you don’t have a garage/driveway then maybe an EV isn’t ideal for you. Duh

[@alexanderdeburdegala4609]

One thing I've learned is most people are pretty nice and during charging at the high speed chargers, if the weather is nice people will get out and have friendly conversation while their car is charging. It's an interesting that modern EVs help recapture the art of just having a conversation with a stranger in person lol

[@shoobidyboop8634]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA way to make lemonade.

[@linuxsurfer2002]

How about we talk about newscaster etiquette and allowing a guest a chance to speak?

[@Bum_Hip]

Patience grasshopper’s. We’ve only had EV’s in the main stream for about 5 to 10 years now. In 5 to 10 more years, things will have expanded, and normalized. We are probably at about the equivalent to 1940, in comparison to the ice engine.

[@kenbob1071]

I know. I chuckled when the dude made it sound like gas stations and the interstate highway system just popped up overnight to handle gas-powered cars.

[@f22mp37]

Recently, I witnessed a disregard for EV charging etiquette. A driver parked her Tesla Model Y in a Supercharger slot without intending to charge. She bypassed five regular parking spaces to pull into this spot just to visit a nearby convenience store. This situation becomes critical when considering that only two of eight charging stations were available. For someone arriving with low charge after a long drive, this could have caused serious inconvenience. This experience serves as a reminder that EV charging stations are not merely parking spaces. As EV usage grows, it's crucial we respect these areas to support fellow drivers on the road.

[@NatesHomeTours]

I live in a county that is 1654 sq miles and there is 1 charger in the entire county and it is not for Tesla, and it's broke down more than it works. It's directly acrros the parking lot from where I work, so I see the out of order sign all the time.

[@toonman361]

This was an interesting discussion. One thing not mentioned is that you are not required to fully charge your car at one time. If you know you are needing, for instance, 32 miles to your destination, perhaps you charge enough for 50 miles. Until charging points are plentiful, we must rethink what we've always done with ICE vehicles.

[@danielmao1593]

I think this is an important point that needs to be discussed more often. What is the needed distance to the next supercharger? to get you home? You'll spend less overall time charging and allow more users to charge and get on with their day as well.

[@1Legofilms]

I’m surprised they didn’t mention the etiquette piece of knowing what your car can take in on a DC fast charger where you should use an available charger with the closes output rate for what your car can take. If your car can only fast charge at 55kW (such as the case of a Chevy Bolt), plugging into a 350 kW (which is the max DC fast charging rate for the Hyundai Ionic series of electric cars) doesn’t magically make your car charge faster. So at stations with multiple charging rates available, pick the available stall with the charging rate closest to what your car can handle.

[@QMaverick1]

Was going to call this out too. I've got a Mach-E and a Bolt and I always use the 150s UNLESS they aren't available or aren't working at full speed. Sadly, I've had to take up a 350 stall a few times on road trips, but it's usually for a relatively short time, and I've offered to move once or twice. Still, it's amazing how few people get this . . .

[@owenjohnson5030]

I have a Kia EV6. Frustrates me when the 350’s are occupied with cars that can’t handle that output.

[@QMaverick1]

@@owenjohnson5030 100%! It's why I'm careful not to do it with our cars. The only time I do is when I don't have a choice. It's a major thing that not enough people are aware of.

[@staceythomas6147]

A valet for charging vehicles at hotels may be a simple solution. Especially at night. That said, the infrastructure definitely needs to be augmented, and quickly at that. Some states already have cutoff deadlines for the sale of combustion engine vehicles, but are they doing g enough to accommodate the increase in EV's?

[@danielmao1593]

This is a cool idea I hadn't thought of! I'd probably be willing to pay for the service as well.

[@neonxfirefly]

Ev chargers are NOT at regular gas stations. I live in San Diego. Very ev friendly. None of the gas stations I know of have EV chargers. They are in parking lots in shopping centers.

[@robertoarcos4079]

My favorite is getting to a place and finding a gas only car parked there because they are not aware of it

[@humblecourageous3919]

We bought a 2017 Chevy Volt in 2020. We have never had to charge outside of our garage. I went from October 29, 2022 to early April 2023 before I needed to buy gas. They really ought to make the Volt again. There is no range anxiety. It gets excellent gas mileage when gas is used. We got solar 21 years ago so it is free to charge. The only problem is that our other vehicle is a 2014 Nissan Frontier with a popup camper. It is very hard to go to the gas station to fill it up (due to the comparison). It's like no cost compared to a huge cost. I honestly wouldn't know how to charge my Volt at a charging station. I really do love it.

[@amirmoradi9595]

Uh.. none of this is new. It's been like this for years. The biggest offenders are people who always want to charge to 100% when 80%-90% is more than enough for them to get to their destination. Not to mention charging past 90% consistantly is bad for your car battery health. The best wayt to fix this issue is charging fees for staying plugged in after finishing charging. Some brands charge these fees but most dont

[@cescohenrichs2655]

You can just charge it at home. Heck if you get really desperate you can charge it from an outlet. Although it’s usually a viable to write your own circuit. Which really isn’t any more harder than finding two breakers, finding some thicker gauge wire, and running yet to a wall charger you can buy.

[@ElHolyBoy]

I think if you stay past a certain point past your charge say 15 minutes you should be charged a significant fee for every period of time. To be determined by the operators of the charge station.

[@linuxsurfer2002]

7:25 "Part of the problem, and I know Alison would agree with me..." But we'll never know because she can't get a word in edgewise.

[@BengalTiger47]

The cost savings for EV owners who don’t have home charging available, is almost 0. Charging your car at home is THE single greatest advantage, convenience and cost savings for having an EV. Prioritize buying a house first, then get an EV later.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

About 70% of the US is already setup for home charging. 30% need a solution to assit with EV adoption. Not everyone can be expected to own their own home, we need solutions for renters. "According to a 2019 survey conducted by the American Housing Survey and the U.S. Census Bureau, approximately 43.9 million residences, or 31.4% of housing in the U.S. today, are multifamily."

[@BengalTiger47]

@@JeanPierreWhite lot of states are giving incentives to commercial property owners for installing EV chargers. However, that’s entirely up to the landlords.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@BengalTiger47 Most property owners are not interested. They see it as something else they have to maintain. The real incentive will come when they realize renters are passing them up for other properties that do have EV charging stations. That is at least 10 years away IMHO.

[@Trifler500]

I imagine eventually hotels will have a charger at every single parking spot.

[@AZ64-]

I always thought it would be cool if you could rent a charger like Airbnb at someone’s house and the owner would get a kickback as well as the energy company. Would solve a lot of this issue since people would be incentivized to spend the $800 or so it takes to install a level 2 charger in their home

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Lookup plugshare. That's the principle it was founded on.

[@tenofdiamonds6440]

A fine idea, but the level 2 chargers people have in their homes take hours to charge a car fully. We have a level 2 and it takes about 5 or so hours to charge our cars (a Hyundai Ioniq 5 and a Kia EV6). Not sure how many people would want to chill in someone’s driveway for that long. And depending on the car you have and your level of charge, it could take even longer. We typically don’t get below 30% and only charge to 80% and it still takes that long.

[@AZ64-]

@@JeanPierreWhite thanks for the resource, I’m gonna check it out!

[@tenofdiamonds6440]

@@AZ64- A plug-in hybrid like your Jeep is going to charge more quickly than a full EV because the battery portion is far smaller. You're comparing filling up a drinking glass to a bathtub. Hyundai/Kia's E-GMP platform charges from 10-80% in under 20 minutes on a DC fast charger. As far as I know, that's some of the fastest charging tech on the market. So I'd consider that the latest/greatest. If you have heard of a car that charges up fully in an hour, please let me know. I've not heard of this.

[@chycoll]

Hotels should set up a valet like service to allow for chargers to be maximized. Hotel staff move the cars at night that are charged.

[@Visualhead_Spacer]

part of the problem is how are EV chargers are laid out... they are mostly placed on a parking lot that is not "drive thru" this creates an issue with queing . Typical gas station has a "line drive thru to wait your turn". Some "flagship" EV station has them or has this setup but not all stations are created equal.

[@lesterng5748]

They forgot to mention ice car parking in charging stations

[@whatever_12]

A lock in feature to allow no one to remove the charger until it reach the user decided amount.. Once done anyone can unplug the car, and maybe longer cable to park behind those who would just leave their car for hours using it a a parking spot

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Annie-Marie is clearly speaking from experience and truly understands EV charging. Seriously impressed by this lady. Vladimir comes over as a doofus who doesn't understand. Allison of course was great also.

[@Coffee-xh4kp]

Totally agree.

[@chickenceiling]

relax, it aint that serious

[@kabysummit5801]

Let the guest speaker Alison speak!

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@chickenceiling Try telling that to the guy in Denver who took a bullet and died over an altercation at a charging station.

[@chickenceiling]

@@JeanPierreWhite There was no need to call Vladimir a doofus, it aint that serious my friend

[@rickeybarnes6471]

Range anxiety is not a problem especially if you drive a Tesla. As a result, Tesla is opening up supercharger stations to other Ev brands slowly but surely.

[@HeyItsAvi90]

Yeap this is why i bought the base model, i NEVER drive 200 miles on a single drive anyway, usually around 80-100 mile mark and take a break, so why not use that break to charge?

[@KungPowEnterFist]

"Range anxiety" was never a thing. That is something Elon made up to distract from the reality. The actual problem was and still is time anxiety. EV's are fine if your time is not valuable. You don't mind taking 6 days to do a 3 day cross country road trip. You have never woken up late, forget to fuel your car the night before, and now you are late for work and need 25 miles of range real quick. Best EV solution there is don't have a job.

[@HeyItsAvi90]

@@KungPowEnterFist do you take cross country trips frequently? The inconvenience of a single trip a yr makes up for 350 days of convenience. Lowest range tesla is 240 miles in city, i do home health so i drive about 70 a day, but i charge my car everynight so unless i forgot to do a 3 second time to plug in my car at night i have 3 days to do it. Best people to have a tesla is those who work bc they can afford it, best for gas cars are for jobless people who can have their car idle from not having a job Edit: also "need a 25 miles real quick" a tesla super charger charged ny car by 90 miles in 12 mins. So no problem on that

[@truhartwood3170]

​@@KungPowEnterFist Tell me you know less than nothing about EVs without telling me you know less than nothing about EVs. What are you charging with that it would take you twice as long? A USB connector? Haha! 😅

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@KungPowEnterFist 6 days to make a 3 day trip? We drove from Cape Canaveral to Nashville in one day. 13 hours. It would take just as long in a gas car.

[@MYJ61]

This nation didn’t have the interstate system or gas stations on every corner until after WWII. Keep that in mind while you wonder why there isn’t an EV charger on every corner. We are still very much in the infancy of EV adoption. It took us over thirty years after the model T to have the infrastructure we have. Give it some time.

[@PersonaN007Grata]

Here’s what I’ve noticed, obviously there’s not enough chargers at most shopping locations. But more often than not, at non-Tesla stations, the space is taken by ICE vehicles. And lots of chargers are out of order. Totally janky. I feel bad for non-Tesla folks. And the guest speaking about hotels, I’ve never had to charge at a hotel yet but that would drive me bonkers. I wouldn’t want to travel with an EV if I had to hook up at a hotel.

[@Jerry-ko9pi]

All the charging stations should have a large countdown timer display. That way, everyone knows when the stall will be done and available. If you go past 30 minutes, car gets towed or fined extra charge as if you were charging at full rate. Tesla had the upper hand, but now they will allow other cars to charge at their charging spots. If when they put in the chargers, they put them in a center spot where anyone parking in 4 spots next to it, can charge their car, that would work too. They would need a long enough cable to reach far side of the stall to other side of the car. People will just have to pull or back in correctly. Maybe have a service attendant too? They could move your car to an empty spot once it is charged. they would also act as security too.

[@pinkelephants1421]

Most EV's these days come with an app that has the capability to tell you when your charging session is either due to finish or has finished. There's also the display within the car that does the same thing. There's is no reasonable excuse for not maintaining an awareness of when your charging session is due to finish. After all, most of us keep an eagle eye on the time when paying for parking in a time limited zone so that we don't get parking fines or towed. Why should charging at public charging stations be any different? Tesla, by the way, have been penalising drivers who overstay their welcome once their charging sessions have finished (for years) by punitively charging for (each) minute the car remains in the bay. It concentrates the mind!

[@QMaverick1]

Most chargers do have large progress meters on them . . . and idle fees usually start about 5-15 minutes after you're charged.

[@scpatl4now]

How much does it actually cost to charge your car at one of these stations? I've always wondered about that.

[@bluebiplane]

The price can vary a lot from location to location and if it is a 'destination charger' aka L2 aka using 240V power vs a Supercharger/DC Fast charger aka L3 aka 480V commercial power. Depending on the location, network, and the property owner also. Some are free as the property owner (hotel, B&B, restaurant, etc) is offering charging as an amenity (usually found at 240V chargers but in a rare case you'll find a free DCFast charger. Most EV owners charge at home (the national residential electricity ave cost is $0.15/kwh. At public locations, most often I've seen rates between free to $0.45/kwh. Some also charge a flat fee to start the charge ($1-$2.50) which, in my view as a 12 yr EV owner, is a rip-off. Idle fees can be $1 per minute - incentivizing you to move on. Sounds complex but not really. Some rates are based on time not kwh which is usually a rip-off but often is determined by state public utility regulators - where this is the case, it needs to change. Whoever heard of paying for gasoline by how many minutes you pumped? Want to compare cost per mile to your gasoline car? Charging at home costs about $0.04-$0.05/mile (national ave residential electricity rates). 25 MPG car costs about $0.14/mile (based on 5/12/2023 AAA reported national ave price of gasoline of ~$3.54). You can learn a lot about what pricing structures are at individual public charging locations at Plugshare.com, the go-to for EV owners. Hope this is helpful.

[@scpatl4now]

@@bluebiplane It was very helpful, thank you!

[@dweb2275]

I have a 220V charger at my house. My Tesla Charges from 10% to 95% in about 5-7 hours over night,

[@DaveCM]

I personally know someone who will park in an EV parking spot in places like downtown in which the spots are ideal even when he has a nearly full charge. So, someone actually needing a charge cannot charge.

[@kristenmoon4405]

Another factor to consider is that not all cars charge in the same time. A Chevy volt, as an example has a much smaller battery than say a Lucid Air. So just because you see a car at an EV charger for 1-4 hours doesn’t mean they’re idle, it all depends on the car and the charger’s output.

[@newagain9964]

nah. no reason any car should be at a "pump" for more than 15 mins. either makers needs to improve designs or consumers need to be prepared to pay more.

[@LincolnRon]

2:18 Almost three times more. The NACS (National Association of Convenience Stores) reports that there are more than 145,000 fueling stations across the United States. 127,588 of these stations are convenience stores selling fuel.

[@gasmanoav]

I was in Vermont at a hotel and saw a gas powered pickup truck with oversized tires parked sideways blocking all three electric charging spots.

[@KB-Unc]

Sounds like chaos to me

[@KMT15]

I love when non EV’s block the chargers. Now you know how us diesel truck drivers feel when we pull into a station with 15 empty gas pumps and 2 diesel pumps, but you take the spots where the diesel pumps are

[@mastersr1956]

i find when i go on trips it takes me about 10 minutes to get gas, use the bathroom and back on my trip. I have had to wait 5 to 6 minutes if there is another car in front of me

[@kenbob1071]

I find when I go on trips, I need to stop for food, have a cup of coffee, relax or go to the restroom. I use the time that I'm having lunch/dinner to charge. Most charging takes about 20-25 minutes so even if I'm just having a cup of coffee, the time isn't a big deal. Plus my "tank" is full every time I pull out of my driveway on a trip and often I get free charging from hotels so I don't have to even stop for 10 minutes.

[@mech-E]

There are ways (on some not all chargers with current software) that you can have idle fees or a maximum number of hours of charging. The other annoying thing is when people try to cut in line at a charger.

[@gregyohngy]

False Information! It took over 50 years for the Interstate System to be made after the Model T was built!

[@kenbob1071]

ikr. I thought the same thing when that dude made it sound like everything popped up overnight to accommodate gas-powered cars.

[@gregyohngy]

@@kenbob1071 , unfortunately there are no longer fact checkers for a Live News Show. At one time there were apologizes made for errors. I watched a TV based on the 1960's and the actor was so distraught adding an additional letter to the person's name in the article he wrote in the newspaper.

[@ShakeNBake8869]

@carpeople @samsung? can we get a external screen display somewhere for the charge level display and a estimated timer

[@fjalics]

Hotels could really use a managed system that has many plugs, but a reasonably sized electrical feed, and if too many people plug in at once, it goes slow, but as the cars fill up, the speed picks up. Superchargers and some CCS chargers do this.

[@thomashughes_teh]

Self parking that clears the charge access for the next ?

[@geniferteal4178]

Have a second plug at the charger. When the charging completes, electrically switch the charger to be ready to use the second plug. Hopefully by the the time a third person arrives the first person will have disconnected and so on.

[@mrobinson167]

Why did the guy mention GE? Advertiser?

[@FuslieNTR]

When Mohegan Sun is cheap and installed 2 chargers in each spot for 8 cars to fight over 2 chargers. Also the other spots, are down. Paid to get one installed at my home

[@markcain5168]

Buy a TESLA. Problem solved. Drive Hard and Recharge.

[@stephenwilliams-blacksburg]

It is apparent that Vladimir did zero research before doing this segment. Not only did he have no idea why a Tesla would need a separate charging location at a hotel, he also said that "very quickly once automobiles became a thing, built the interstate highway system and dotted the land with petrol stations". Cars "became a thing" with the introduction of the Ford Model-T in 1908. I'm pretty sure that gas stations didn't suddenly pop-up everywhere overnight. There was a period where, if you wanted to take a long trip, you had to plan your route, just like EV drivers do today. Also, the Interstate Highway system was authorized in 1956 and took another 35 years to be fully built out. 50 years from 2012 (when EVs "became a thing") 2062, I'm sure the EV charging infrastructure will have matured. I don't know if Anne-Marie did much research either, but she apparently owns a Tesla so she has first-hand experience...which is more than I can say for Vladimir.

[@club6525]

Evidently, we need a system for the administration of charger. A system which monitors the uptime of a charger, regulates the price, and a system which reminds the owner to pull their car away. Since chargers should function relatively similarly, I don’t see why we cannot develop a system like Android but for chargers. Unified and connected.

[@kristenmoon4405]

If you go to a hotel and are lucky enough to get a spot, go to the front desk and do one of 2 things. First, get a sticky note and leave it at your car with a number to text you at so people can reach you if you need to move. 2. Leave your info at the front desk so they can reach you if someone else comes up and needs it, so they know who to contact. :)

[@robertherman1146]

If you live in an apartment building in New York City, where can you charge your car?

[@anotherelvis]

The solution is idling fees. As a consumer I want to be able to buy for overnight charging, but of course this should come at a price.

[@leet280]

I have a PHEV and I totally understand how someone with a full EV can get frustrated when I take a spot and have to wait 2 hours to charge a small battery. I think the manufacturers of the PHEV's need to stop with the level 2 chargers and make them fast charge somehow. a small 13.8 kW/h battery takes over 2 hours to charge on a level 2 BUT would take a few minutes if not seconds on a fast charger. Why not make them so they can be charged that way and we would be out of the way in minutes.

[@flashoflight8160]

I don't have range anxiety. I have infrastructure anxiety. Broken chargers, lines at full chargers, high cost of public chargers, etc. You cannot rely on public charging. You have to charge at home or at work. There is no line for the charger at my house. Either I live with the home charger or use the ICE car instead.

[@PeterSedesse]

Yeah, we are not there yet where you can count on non-related businesses to provide charging. Have charging at your home, and then plan charging stations along the way. But I wouldn't pull into a hotel on 0 and expect to get a charge right away.

[@davidclaliberte]

Sounds like an opportunity for starting an Airbnb type of business from home by providing a charge-station for a fee and new stay at home job. Perhaps even incorporate it as part of an existing Airbnb. Could even add an Airbnb coffee shop while waiting to recharge batteries.

[@BdManus]

These problems at gas stations were worked out long ago. Just imagine when there are millions of electric cars on the road and only a hand full of chargers that work correctly.

[@truhartwood3170]

There are thousands of chargers already, not just a handful, and thousands more are added every year and the pace is accelerating. It might lag behind EVs for a while, but eventually the market will saturate with EVs and the number of chargers will catch up. In the meantime, we've had an EV for 1.5 years and only had to use a public charger maybe three times. If you can charge at home, that's where 99% of your charging will happen. You start every day with a "full tank" and almost never think about it.

[@tqlla]

If you are charging at a charger, its cheaper per mile to have a Prius. A Prius uses 1.8 gallons for 100 miles. At $4/gal thats $7.14. A Tesla Model 3 uses 25Kwh for 100 miles. At $0.50/Kwh(super charger) thats $12.50. Even a Rav4 Hybrid gets 40MPG, 2.5 gal per 100 miles. At $4/gat thats $10 per 100 miles.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Very general statement. Some public chargers are free. Public rapid charging stations do tend to be pricey.

[@dperreno]

I have a garage so I mostly charge my car at home. But when I am on a longer trip, I need to use a public charging station. Also, many people do not have a garage or carport with an electrical outlet that they can use, so for them the public charging infrastructure is crucial.

[@bahamatodd]

No mention of making sure to choose a charging station with similar output to what your car can handle especially if different power outputs are available at the same location. If there are 150kW and 350kW chargers and your car can only handle 100 kW don't choose the 350kW charger.

[@thomasmaegerle8703]

Seems that the issue is that it takes 5 minutes to gas up a car vs 17-30 minutes+ for an EV. How many cars are fueled at an average gas station in that time? This is something that needs to improve because when every driver is behind the wheel of an EV, how much space and infrastructure will be devoted to providing charging for these vehicles? The average charging station will need a hundred spots for cars to park in while they charge.

[@prunedfingers]

a vast majority of people charge at home. usually fast charging is just for long trips so we don't actually need as many as we do gas pumps

[@kenbob1071]

Nah. Most of the cars at your local gas station are local and 90% of trips are local. Like the other guy said, most EVs are charged at home so hardly anyone local is going to need a local public charger. I've owned an EV for 4 years and I've never needed to use any local charger. The public chargers are more for travelers or people that don't have a place to plug in at home.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@kenbob1071 Correct. Folks who have no EV experience build scenarios in their minds that match gas fueling behavior and declare EV's won't work. The sad part is this is repeated on talk radio and at the water cooler and spreads like wildfire. The truth and reality is in short supply.

[@JohnPetersonTX]

This 8-minute video was about 10-minutes longer than it needed to be. They were just grasping and grasping to add fluff.

[@kenbob1071]

Dude thinks the interstate highway system was built soon after most people had cars...lol. That was only in the late 50s. People had cars well before that.

[@QMaverick1]

I unplugged a fast charger at a Target once while on a road trip (I was near empty, and needed to charge). I only did it because he was at 100% and he was about to start accruing idling fees. So, I saved him a few bucks, and got my charge going. In those cases, you should unplug your neighbor (if you can access the charger). I would expect anyone else to do the same to me. That should be the etiquette. Otherwise we're not using the chargers (EVSEs, really) efficiently. There's even signs you can buy that say "it's OK to unplug me" that you hang off the handle.

[@PWingert1966]

THere is a market for emergency mobile charging vans! They have them in England and we need them here as well.

[@totallynotuselessfacts]

Super chargers 20min not super 1hr not Tesla 8hr to 24hr at home with installed adapter 8th full charge 0-100 (should not get to 0 and some shouldn't get to 100) or 2/o adapter 24hrs, these very

[@honesty_-no9he]

Idling fees are aimed people who remain parked in DC charging bay after charging. It is not a parking space. Hotel destination AC charging is more tricky because that is designed as overnight charging. But if someone has a reservation the hotel staff needs to ensure the spot is waiting for them and they need to install more AC chargers they are not expensive and TESLA will even supply theirs for free. 3 AC chargers at a hotel with 400 rooms is NOT acceptable.

[@rezahabibi4109]

Make it like valet parking

[@jaimejimenez8749]

They should've laid the tracks down before making the trains.😏

[@JeanPierreWhite]

That's Tesla's strategy. Other car makers are dependent upon others making the investment in infrastructure first. Tesla's strategy is the only one that works IRL.

[@totallynotuselessfacts]

They need universal chargers and charging spot and it should follow Tesla u know, bc it's Tesla

[@randomoverpopulatedworldid3286]

I recall a technology idea developed in Israel that was like a gas station for electric vehicles. Basically, you would drive through a car wash looking thing, and your battery would be swapped out instantly with a charged battery. This had to be 10+ yrs ago. I wonder why car companies cannot all use the same battery technology or similar because I thought it was a revolutionary idea.

[@ocampbell1954]

Because all batteries aren't built out of the same thing and the technology is propriety. I believe NIO allows you to switch out the battery

[@loriallen67]

Banks won’t loan on an incomplete product… like a car missing it’s most important component

[@truhartwood3170]

NIO is trying to do this. You buy the car without the battery, and pay a pretty big subscription fee to use the battery swap stations. These stations are exorbitantly expensive compared to a charging station that has no moving parts, meaning the rollout is incredibly slow. It also means NIO needs to have the battery for the car, plus more battery packs charging up, making the cost much higher. Also, the stations need much more maintenance, the cars have much more complexity, etc. I don't think this idea will work long term. Plus it's just not helpful 99% of the time.

[@asdf51501]

I’d be concerned about getting a lemon battery that nobody in the future would warranty.

[@truhartwood3170]

@@asdf51501 They test every cell before putting it in the pack. Quite unlikely.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "New etiquette developing for charging electric vehicles..." ...yup as seen between the 2 Tesla owners in Denver (ironically on the same day this was uploaded) it's rapidly devolving into shooting each other.

[@KillroyX99]

FYI, if you are not a EV driver: All you need is a regular outlet to charge your car. A regular outlet will charge 2-3 miles of range per hour.-- better than nothing. A Tesla Supercharger charges 75 miles or range in 5 minutes!

[@thomashughes_teh]

hOW ABOUT A qr CODE on the car that alerts the driver another needs access now.

[@rickdworsky6457]

Humans aren't exempt from extinction. Cars certainly won't save us. Who buys into these delusions?