NEW FOR 2022!!! Hornady CX 165gr 30cal (308 Win, 30-06, and 300 PRC) ballistic gel testing. WOW!!!

Ballistic gel testing the all new for 2022 Hornady CX 165gr 30 cal shot out of a 308 Winchester, 30-06, and 300 PRC. Most advanced monolithic on the market. Or so Hornady clames. Definently preformed well in the gel testing.
Only bullet recovered was the mid range one shot out of the 30-06. Retained weight is 163.9 grains

[@rascaille3792]

Holy shit that 300 prc shot!!! Thanks.

[@ghilleman1]

Nice work!

[@jrnbakken4348]

Nice work, as always! Please compare this to the Barnes LRX! Best from Norway!

[@ronlowney4700]

🤠 Ronbo (Montana Mountain Man) - Thank you for your reply! 😁 The Swift A-Frame is a Bonded Version (redesign) of the Nosler Partition! While I believe that the future of bullets is probably going towards the solid copper bullets or some new "non-lead" composite bullet (I bought a couple hundred rounds of Factory Ammunition - Horneday's Superformance 130 grain GMX for my 270 Winchester at $27.50/box about 6 months ago), the Swift A-Frame has served me well over the years! I am really interested to see what it does at lower velocities? I have used the 150 grain 0.277 bullet on elk - the last one being a 330 class 7×7 bull elk! But before I came to my senses about hunting with "Magnum" ("Mangleum") calibers, I became sold on the A-Frame 200 grain 30 caliber (0.308) bullet for my "Stump Thumpers"! It was the only bullet that would shoot well out of my rifles at extreme velocities (only flat based bullets would stabilize, not boat-tail bullets with the barrels rifle twist) and hold upon high impact ft/lbs of energy - 3350 ft/second out of my Lazzeroni Warbird (416 Rigby necked down to a 30 caliber) and approximately 3700 ft/second out of my Thor's Hammer (408 CheyTac necked down to a 30 caliber) for that 200 grain A-Frame bullet! What I "(re)discovered " is that it didn't kill them any faster than my 30-06 Springfield or 270 Winchester, but ruined a whole lot more meat! "Not Acceptable", but not surprising either! Now I preach the "Gospel of Non-magnum calibers", don't take those long range shots anymore, only wait for broadside shots, and don't listen to those "gun writers" and "internet experts" anymore about the "do it all magic/wonder guns"! I know their are no "magic bullets" either, but of all of the bullets I've tried on bigger critters like elk, I haven't yet found a better one than the Swift A-Frame! 🤗

[@michaelhooks3644]

we had a big tomcat that used to come around and beat the hell out of our tomcat, both seasoned outdoor fightin cats but this one was relentless....he'd whoop our cat's ass and eat his food in front of him and whoop his ass again...after discussing it with the owner of the cat 4 different times and them doing nothing about it and costing me 600+ in vet bills, i found my cat almost dead on our back porch....nursed him back, wouldn't let him out to "roam" etc.....caught the neighbor's cat out in our field lurkin around, about 70 yards, and i tagged him with a sst hornady 30-06 ftx....finally he hit the ground after about 3 seconds of air time, didn't move. i'm 6 ft tall and the length of what was left was still draggin on the ground and was thrown to the coyotes that night....nothing was ever said again about either......well done hornady, well done!.....😁

[@JohnG975]

Can you lay out all the bullets you are able to recover so we can see them side by side. Most curious about the low velocity results .

[@wickertwm]

A new table has to be on your Christmas list!

[@simplemindedfella]

Yes I'm over due for one

[@edlara5311]

I appreciate all your videos, keep up the excellent work. What is your opinion on fouling with the CX bullet? Thanks in advance.

[@simplemindedfella]

Thank you I'm glad you enjoy them.. I haven't had issues the CX bullets fouling any worse than any other monolithics that I have used. I only have the one rifle I use them in consistently for hunting but I don't shoot a bunch with that rifle. I haven't had any issues with fouling and that rifle.

[@edlara5311]

@@simplemindedfella Awesome, I will pass it on. Thanks.

[@ryantaylor8122]

150 Accubond LR 6.5 test please 🙏

[@reloadnorth7722]

The forest is so thick where I live, we rarely get over 300 yard shots. I'll just stick to the lead core bullets for my 308 WIn. Good video.

[@simplemindedfella]

High BC bullets are terrible brush bullets. I prefer heavy for caliber round nose bullets for brush hunting.

[@michaelvangundy226]

I started with Hornady 180 gr flat base psp. Bagged elk and deer with them. I recovered a few bullets in elk but they blew out deer. I switched one year to Sierra gameking 180 gr for my 30-06. Worked great out to 400 yards. Popped a whitetail at 35 and it literally threw it for a half flip. After that I went to a 130 in 270 for whitetail. This solid at 165 for a 30-06 sounds like a nice compromise. It really expands quick. These whitetail are maybe 16" thick I could down load them for these 150 yard and less shots.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Excellent comedy relief watching the 300 PRC launch large pieces of a big gel block into orbit. Good data. Thank you for the vid. Well done. Happy New Year

[@simplemindedfella]

Happy new year!

[@rangetime6779]

Another good video. I've seen Hornady's advertising but not sure how it differs from their GMX. Seams like the Lehigh Controlled Chaos and Cutting Edge Maximus work better at low velocities

[@simplemindedfella]

Cutting Edge and Lehigh both definitely operate at a good 300+ fps less. If one doesn't plan on hunting at really long ranges these CX bullets would be a good.

[@epfd217]

And Hammer bullets.

[@EdAb]

Oddly, the specs for the 165 grain, 308 Winchester, CX factory loads are identical to the GMX loads of the same weight. Other new CX chamberings have improved B.C.s and expansion qualities, but all indications are that the 308 Winchester's only change is the CX name. That said, maybe it doesn't matter. As I recall, previous GMX bullets performed very well in your tests. Cheers! Btw, if you wanted to reshoot a 1750 fps load to catch it, I wouldn't object. :-) Happy New Year!

[@simplemindedfella]

Other than the relief grooves on the shank of a bullet being cut slightly different and using a heat shield tip I can find no real differences between the GMX and the CX. I personally believe it has more to do with markening than anything. Hornady does say the ballistic coefficiencies are better, and they do use dopler radar to confirm BC'S in a bullets entire flight trajectory so I have no reason not to believe them. Yes I would like to get back out shoot some more at the low velocity and a bunch of milk jugs and what not as well to make sure I can catch one of them.

[@14goldmedals]

Simple Minded Fella you said Hornady’s magic word of the day, MARKETING! Somewhere Pee-Wee Herman is cheering lol

[@EdAb]

@@14goldmedals Yes, Hornady does its fair share of marketing, but I always chuckle when people make a big deal out of this. The simple fact is, all ammo companies are in business to make money. Marketing helps them to make money. They ALL do marketing. The more you market, the more money you'll make and the bigger you'll get. The bigger you are, the more you can market... and so on. Hornady is not some sort of evil giant, they just happen to be little bigger than some of their competition. Guaranteed those other players would market more if they could, that's just business.

[@jasonlopez4855]

Ya boy 👍🏽 this is it the one I like. I got all this I'm big 30cal or 308 30-06 or 300💪 nock down power 💪

[@simplemindedfella]

Just make sure impact velocities are 2k and above and these are an excellent bullet.

[@Future-Corpse]

I laughed pretty good when the 300prc just made tye first block disappear. I had to rewind a couple times lol

[@simplemindedfella]

Set it to play at .25 speed in KZbins settings and its even more impressive.

[@bustabass9025]

Gotta get me one of them!

[@wolverinekut]

👍💯

[@jonathanrogers9961]

First shot looked like it opened up a little slow around the 4-4.5in mark. Second shot at 1747 performed much better. Had not heard of this bullet, is it a re-design or re-brand of the GMX? Also, slightly dissapointed with the BCs. Should be longer and have a better BC for its weight being solid copper. Similar to lehigh, lagging behind against barnes, hammer.

[@simplemindedfella]

They made a couple improvements to the GMX giving the CX just a little better ballistic coefficiency. I really think its just a rebranding. 1st shot in the gelatin just tumbled.

[@jonathanrogers9961]

@@simplemindedfella Co efficiency? Not heard that term before.

[@simplemindedfella]

@@jonathanrogers9961 Sorry I should have corrected my talk to text I missed that 1. ballistic coefficiency

[@silverback7659]

Can you try the gmx in same caliber and grain weight next time?

[@simplemindedfella]

Can't get any. Hornady is discontinuing the GMX and replacing them with the CX.

[@EdAb]

All indications are that the 308 flavour of CX bullet is the same as the GMX, except for the Heat Shield tip. Not all of the CX modifications give equal benefit to all of the different calibers. I spoke with a Hornady ballistician and he said, it is unlikely that anyone would notice a difference in B.C., or tip performance (between the old and new tips) at distances under 400 yards.

[@bucktalk69]

How far out were shooting the 30-06 with that round im thinking of using them out of my 30-06

[@simplemindedfella]

Hornady's listed muzzle velocities would put the max effective range for mushrooming a little past 500 yards at sea level.

[@ShastaBean]

7:07 - legend has it that block remains in Near-Earth-Orbit to this day

[@simplemindedfella]

Haha, yep.

[@kentuckywindage222]

Nice job Hoss. I'm looking for long range hunting bullets in 308 and 6.5 cm. Other than Berger because of being so hard to find.

[@simplemindedfella]

Hopefully these will hit the shelves soon. I talked with Hornady in December and they couldn't tell me when they are actually planning on releasing them as a component for reloaders. Just some time in 2022 after releasing their ammunition line. They could not give me a date for the ammunition release either. Hopefully here soon.

[@preacherbiggin]

Hunting purposes or long range target? Reason i ask is the 140 grain speer gold dots shoot amazingly accurate out of all 3 of my 6.5 creeds.

[@kentuckywindage222]

@@preacherbiggin Hunting. I'm using 175gr Matchking for target. Interested in stretching it out hunting. Speer Gold Dots have always been my go to in pistol. I also use them in .223. Hadn't considered them in 308. Just hadn't seen the bullet for hand loading in 308 that I remember. Are they consistent in measurement and weight? I have quite a few Hornady Eld match in 6.5.

[@preacherbiggin]

@@kentuckywindage222 yes sir. The .308 gold dots are 150 & 168 grains. The 6.5 are 120 & 140 grain.

[@kentuckywindage222]

@@preacherbiggin Thanks. I know Speer Gold Dots work in lower velocity pistols for sure. That Unicore bullet is probably the best all around pistol bullet. The Winchester original Black Talon was also an excellent bullet. The Ranger T is supposed to be the same, but looking at the two after fired in gel says different. I'd like to have a bullet that will function + or - 1500 fps in 308 & 6.5.

[@ronlowney4700]

🤠 Ronbo (Montana Mountain Man) - I know that 2022 Shot Show is just a few weeks away, so you may see some other new bullets to test? That being said, I know that you have tested the Swift Sirocco, but not the Swift A-Frame? Any reason for that? The A-Frame is my "Go To" elk bullet of choice, but I have yet to see anyone conduct a ballistics gel test on it yet! If your running out of testing ideas, I sure would love to see you try? Thanks for the information that you are sharing - it is very informative and unbiased! Not something you find to often these days! 😁

[@simplemindedfella]

Thanks for the complaints, I really try to let the test speak for themselves and keep an unbiased opinion. Cost effectiveness and availability is why I haven't tested bullets like the A-Frame yet. I need 10-15 bullets for testing and buying a box of 50 or 100 for testing just isn't cost effective. Submoashooting.com has been a good place for me to buy sample packs, I will check and see if they have any A-Frames available.

[@14goldmedals]

Simple Minded Fella damn auto filling words! You inadvertently put the word ‘complaints’ while being the humble guy you are instead of ‘compliments’. I’d personally challenge anyone complaining about your methods and video to logically explain what they meant. Keep up the good work. If I lived stateside instead of Canada I’d be sending you some bullets you needed for testing.

[@ronlowney4700]

Yes! It happens all the time, but I knew what he meant! No complaining on my end here! 🤷‍♂️

[@ronlowney4700]

🤠RONBO (Montana Mountain Man) - I need to apologize to you for something I did not clarify when I asked you to test the Swift A-Frame bullets! I don't have any to send to you - I'm all out - or I would have! It has been hard to come by them where I live the last 2 years! Keep up the good work and I catch you on the next video! Ronbo Out! 😁

[@simplemindedfella]

No worries. I do take requests into consideration and if I run by any reasonably priced I will pick them up for testing. I do appreciate when people send me bullets but definitely try to pay attention to what people are requesting and keep my eyes open for samples and such. Glad you enjoy the videos

[@rainsong7327]

Do you see a big difference in killing power between 308 and 3006?

[@simplemindedfella]

Nope, and I like them both.

[@DaveSigmon]

In Hornady's video discussing it's new CX bullet, they suggested that the minimum velocity for proper expansion should be 2,000 fps (same for GMX). The CX bullet is an improvement over GMX by including the new heat resistant tip that until now was only on the ELD-X and ELD-M bullets; and improved BC by slight change in shape and driving bands which reduces drag. Hornady has put CX bullet data into their 4DOF library, which is a superior way to calculate trajectory over using BC alone. GMX data was never entered into 4DOF. The higher BC of the CX bullet enables it to maintain a higher velocity farther downrange than the GMX. In the video on the CX by Hornady, the staff suggested that for many cartridges, that would mean the effective range would be 500 yards with the CX, vs 400 yards with the GMX (given the 2,000 fps minimum for proper expansion). That is a generalization given the factory loads they will offer. Granted, if you handload or are at higher elevations, you could extend that range. What I want to know is if the CX bullets are easier to find an accurate load. I have read about the GMX, that many people could not get it to group with their rifle. It would be great if the CX has improved accuracy potential.

[@jonathanrogers9961]

Huh? With a 180g .308 bc went from .485 to .469, a loss of .016....

[@DaveSigmon]

@@jonathanrogers9961 , your data is correct. I wonder if that is a rare exception. I have not compared every CX bullet with it's equivalent GMX bullet. My comment was not my own claim, I was repeating what the Hornady staff claimed in the Hornady video on the CX line of bullets. I have linked to it below. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYfcmn2QaNN3m5I

[@jonathanrogers9961]

@@DaveSigmon have not had time to look through all of them either. Maybe their better claim is based on the new point maintaining its bc better and the other number was actually lower in reality. Hoping to do more digging on my off days

[@EdAb]

The .308's B.C. remains the same as the 165 gr. GMX. The B.C. improvements are only realized with certain bullets of specific calibers. There appears to be no improvement, other than the Heat Shield tip, with many of the new CX bullets.

[@curtisturner9327]

If you compare the 30 cal 165 And 180 grain bullets, the CX actually has a lower BC than the GMX. That’s why I’m confused with their statement that you can squeeze and extra 100 yards. Maybe in other calibers the BC is higher, but not with the 30 cal bullets that I mentioned.

[@davidc.9933]

Awesome. Make a patreon account! I've got to see if these shoot as well at SMK in my 308.

[@simplemindedfella]

I will look into what all it intails to setup a patreon account. Having time to work on what I'm already doing for KZbin is hard enough to consistently keep videos going.

[@davidc.9933]

@@simplemindedfella it's pretty easy, but alternatively you could just set up a paypal or venmo and i'll just send you money...

[@simplemindedfella]

@@davidc.9933 I greatly appreciate it. The gelatin is the most expensive part. I use natural because it is much cheaper and doesn't take an intire day to recast. I would prefer being sent a case of gelatin or bullets you would like to see tested. As soon as money is involved the greedy government get all up in your business.

[@davidc.9933]

@@simplemindedfella just let me know where to send it, not sure how to do private messages on youtube

[@simplemindedfella]

@@davidc.9933 email me at [e-mail]

[@moneyx3232]

This bullet can still expand at less than 1500 fps velocity? That's truly hard to believe.

[@simplemindedfella]

No. It needs around 1800 or higher fps to expand 100% of the time. That first shot just tumbled in the gelatin.

[@moneyx3232]

@@simplemindedfella Got it. Do you think cx is better than ttsx?

[@simplemindedfella]

@@moneyx3232 I am pretty sure all Hornady did was put the heat shield tip on the GMX as well as change the way they cut the relief grooves so that it has better aero dynamics. I do not have in the field experience with the new CX. With that said I do like the stopping power (commonly referred to as knockdown) of the GMX over Barnes bullets having used both in the field. (Barnes are still excellent bullets)

[@jonathanrogers9961]

@@moneyx3232 what do you mean by better?

[@moneyx3232]

@@jonathanrogers9961 expansion at lower velocities. (

[@planetjay5793]

u need higher grain loads they are advertised at 1600 fps plus thats why u aint seein the tru effects my 308 muzzle fps avg at 2900

[@planetjay5793]

unless u did that for a reason or are using a ar 10

[@simplemindedfella]

@@planetjay5793 I'm only using the 308 for the reduced loads to simulate longer range shots 30-06 for mid velocity and 300 PRC for high velocity. I'm testing the bullet not the case driving it those just happen to be the cartridges I have in 30 caliber and reducing the 300 PRC with that much case capacity is more difficult then reducing a 308 Winchester.

[@jonfisher9960]

Better than Barnes I doubt it Hornady is all about hype

[@bustabass9025]

Need a new table there chief.

[@simplemindedfella]

Just started using a new one. That one was getting pretty rough.

[@CaliforniaBassFishing]

it is lead free cx bulet 308

[@simplemindedfella]

Yes the CX line of bullets from Hornaday are lead free. It is the GMX repackaged.