New Holland vs Kioti. Facts are Facts

Take a look as we compare two 70 HP tractors: The New Holland Workmaster 70 and the Kioti RX7320 Power Shuttle. My name is Mike Schramke, owner of Larry Stovesand Equipment. I have two locations in the Nashville market.
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[@drayne3750]

Shout out to Larry for primarily doing his videos in poor weather. This is a man that wants to sell some tractors

[@fauztran]

My former manager told me once: "When a company/business loses focus on their vision of providing solutions and instead focuses on making money, they are on a downward slope."

[@jessewoody5772]

Kevin Boudreau so true. Greed takes over and safety and quality are the first things to go down the drain as soon as " making money" is the goal.

[@a1081042]

Kioti CK30 here. Lost the diesel injection pump at 475 hours, lost the lift pump at 525 hours. All in the 14th year of ownership.

[@vaportrail6315]

Thank you for the comparison. Had no idea how well made the Kioti tractors are. It should be noted that other tractor manufacturers keep switching model names after 2 to 4 yrs. The Kioti 7320 came out in 2014 and is so good they still make that model today. I'm from Washington state and will be buying a RX7320 next summer and getting rid of my 1968 Ford 4000 Diesel w hi/low and 3000 gas

[@TopoPilot]

Being new to tractors I have done a ton of research and I keep coming back to Kioti. It's not set in stone yet but videos like this one and a few others have given me insight into my decision. So far the RX7320 is my top choice at this point. I like the full cab version.

[@nrosario]

What you end up with?

[@zsoltkarner2698]

Question is, how much you will spent on service in the long run ? How about parts supply ? Did you checked that ? ( I am looking for a tractor too, just like you )

[@Bigbowhunter243]

My uncle just bought a brand new kioti ck4010 and I love driving it. It has no shortage of power and it always gets the job done dragging or lifting trees at our hunting land

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

deerhunter 41, thank you for your words. Statements like yours help folks who may not be familiar with the brand, want to learn more

[@ruyguy8888]

Where I work at Mike, we sell both Case IH and Kioti. Simply, put; we do very well with the RX7320's. They are a really nice tractor for the money and seem to be rugged in the field. Good comparison.

[@oruwatching]

I have owned 3 Kiotis and still own a 2018 CK2610, they work for me. :-)

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Thank you, oruwatching! The best advertising is always from the folks that have invested tens of thousands of dollars of their own money.

[@pineforest7528]

@ThisnThatPackRat Boy that is one dumb question.

[@GerraldFarms]

I’m seriously thinking about a 7320 for haying on my farm. Thanks for all the informative videos. Have a good weekend.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

If I can be of any help or offer you a quote, my name is Mike Schramke. [e-mail]

[@trailrider0194]

My brother-in-law had a 40 hp Kioti. He had to have the clutch replaced at less than 400 hr. After that the local dealership shut down. After that he hard time finding parts. When he did find parts they were very expensive. Finally sold it and bought a New Holland.

[@pineforest7528]

Obviously you're a liar.

[@adammfharris]

@@pineforest7528 He isn’t. The Kioti looks better on paper, but known name brands have the advantage of a bigger customer base. Kioti dealerships shut down all the time. Before that it was Century. I promise you in 30 years you will still be able to get parts. New Holland, JD, or Kubota if you are planning to keep the tractor.

[@tb5211]

You did a very good job comparing the two tractors it helps a lot people like me to choose a truck👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@KrazyKajun602]

I have had a 2015 Kioti CK30 for 5 years using for bushhogging, and agriculture work in my gardens. I have had 0 issues with my tractor. I average about 90hrs per year on it. Its like the day I bought it, no loose bolts, nothing rattles, and I go over and beyond on maintenance taking care of it. I would not hesitate to buy another one(looking at the RX7320 PS). They are a solid built tractor and need to be used for a application that the piece of equip can handle. I see people all the time trying to use a tractor in place of a Dozer or a larger tractor and end up breaking something and then complaining about the tractor. My brother has about 20 tractors for his farming operation and they are a mixture of John Deere, New Holland, Case and all of them go to the shop.Shoutout to Larry, great videos and I sure wish you would have a satellite store down here in central Louisiana. Thank you again from a RajunKajun in Avoyelles Parish, La.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Wayne, how awesome to hear from a genuine boudin balled, jambalaya slurpin, gator rasslin', gumbo blooded, CAJUN! Laissez le bon temps rouler!!

[@whineysnowflake8072]

didnt say where they were made/ parts availability/service. Havent heard ONE review (that wasnt from sales) of not having to order parts

[@kahvac]

Kioti makes a nice machine. They have come a long way in the last 10-15 years. Still looking to find a used one in the 50 HP range but here in Mass there isn't a lot of used ones around. I may end up buying a used Kubota but after comparing the two I prefer a Kioti.. Take a look at their warrantee.... I think its the best around.

[@honeybadgerstudios21]

I’ve used that new holland work master at my old job only it was a 2014, trying to kick it into 4 wheel drive was such a pain with the lever being so stiff you practically had to kick it until it fell in, aside from that a good tractor, works decently well on steep hills

[@kapperoutdoors]

Good comparison, those are all reasons that I use Korean made tractors. Thanks

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Kapper Outdoors thanks Kap. The Koreans really do “got it goin’ on”. If I may offer an observation related to that point. Unlike so many other countries, the Koreans genuinely like Americans. Plenty of countries are happy to sell us their products, while holding their noses. The Koreans remember the sacrifices of blood and coin generously given to them. Without American intervention in the 1950’s, and our continued protection to this day, there would be no South Korea. The Korean people enjoy a standard of living on par with any western nation. I was fortunate enough to be Kiotis guest for two weeks and tour the country. I was made welcome. I am proud as an American to be a friend and business partner.

[@adammfharris]

Kioti dealerships shut down all the time. Before that it was Century. I promise you in 30 years you will still be able to get parts. New Holland, JD, or Kubota if you are planning to keep the tractor. There is no replacement for replacement.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

You Sir, are in fact an idiot.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

I would have had more respect for your comment had you not included New Holland. Who? Ford? NH? Fiat? LS? Who is New Holland? The rebadged LS, or the rebadged Fiat? Maybe the Workmaster that is made in India?

[@PurpleCollarLife]

Currently Kioti shopping in Pennsylvania. I actually did a video about it if you get a chance to check it out and give your thoughts. Your videos have really helped me understand the Kioti advantages. I’ve been watching and rewatching your videos like this one. Thank you. If you weren’t so far away, I’d consider one of your package deals that include the trailer. Great work.

[@nielsp914]

Makes me want a kioti even more, like to see a comparison on the Kioti ck2610 to a comparable green and or orange tractor, thanks, straight and to the point.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Thank you Niels

[@chuckcribbs3398]

I just bought a CS 2520 for our 8 wooded acres. The price was right and we got a loader, backhoe and an auger. The backhoe attachments are super rare right now but the dealer found one at another dealer an hour away. Zero percent financing was quick and easy.

[@pineforest7528]

As noted elsewhere, the Kioti dealership network is relatively small, for all sorts of reasons. That's the tradeoff in buying a better tractor for less money. But I'd still rather have the better tractor ! If you can't find a reasonably close dealership, there are good mechanics out there who can fix any make of tractor.

[@TheGrasspond]

Ok, you had me sold by the time you got to the hydraulic hoses on the loaders. That's a big deal. One bad thing on the Kioti is location of the steering hydraulics for those of us that work in the woods. Yes they put a shield there but its a disaster waiting to happen. Same with fuel tank location. great if you are filling with a gas can but have a fuel tank exposed to stumps, branches etc is not good. Otherwise a great looking machine. I will take a look at one.

[@johnnyturbo8460]

Nice comparison, Kioti needs to ADVERTISE more. I have a 1995 Daedong (Kioti) L3503-D. It has been trouble free since i have owned it. I feel and just like you pointed out even back in 1995 they were ahead of their time, or better yet they have been right on time and the others are still doing what they have always done. I forsee in the next 10 years Kioti will be a real threat to JD, Kubota, Massey Ferguson and clearly New Holland.

[@bryanadams5646]

Nice review. T4.75 might have been a more even comparison as the workmaster is an economy model. However price is probably similar.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Bryan Adams Thank you. I would like to snag a T4 for a few minutes to compare.

[@DLTJR1959]

They would be very similar. Kioti makes an excellent tractor. The T series New Holland cab was state of the art when debuted and other manufacturers have copied it for a reason. I own a New Holland because of convenient dealer support and I am friends with the service manager. There is an excellent Kioti dealer about 30 miles from me but they are out of the way. Fine machines. I am sure that you have an excellent dealership. Thank you for the videos.

[@nafinshere457]

AYE THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT! PROVE EM WRONG!

[@loganwolf228]

We own a kioti ,, and we are satisfy with its performance!! 💪👍

[@jessewoody5772]

logan wolf straight from korea

[@geezboil]

I have a question, with the auto cycle on the pto, when you go up and it automatically shuts off, do u have to lower the rpms to turn back on and than raise it back up to the 540 rpm setting, just wandering, hate to break prematurely, I don’t think pto’s are cheap to replace with labor,

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Great question. According to a Kioti engineer that I spoke to said that the electric over hydraulic PTO on this unit “soft starts” in automatic mode.

[@pineforest7528]

That's interesting. also have a DK45se (2014) and I've been afraid to have the PTO in auto mode. So my solution has been never to use it. Nice to know I don't have to worry about this matter with the 7320.

[@keystonetractor3270]

The New Holland Powerstar 75 would be a closer comparison. It has a powershift transmission, option of a self-leveling bloader, flat-floor workstation, saddle mount gas tank, and 84" bucket. And you have a New Holland dealer and parts distribution network across North America to support you after the sale. The Workmaster 60 is a great tractor in many applications, but more of an economy tractor. Look at the new Workmaster 55, 65, and 75 models that just came out this year as well.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

These machines are not only competitive in capabilities, but in price as well. It can't make a NH dealer proud to paint an Indian machine blue, and hope that people won't notice.

[@PaulNichollsPausabniTraders]

@@LSE_TRACTOR Keystone is correct.

[@PaulNichollsPausabniTraders]

Listen to what you are describing and the standard options.

[@PaulNichollsPausabniTraders]

what competes directly with the Workmaster 70 is the DS45 series, but Kioti doesn't make a 70hp Series ecomony tractor.

[@PaulNichollsPausabniTraders]

@Eli Dicken Really have to disagree. But Hey, however you need to round up sales.

[@nafinshere457]

LOL i love this guy in charge of the channel!!! IF I START A CHANNEL I WANT YOU TO COME AND REPLY TO COMMENTS FOR ME!!!!

[@ruralridez6165]

Ohh one more thing you should compare is turning radius. I had a JD5410 sold that bought the T5 the T5 turns so much tighter.

[@User0000000000000004]

I don't know anything about tractors, I'm not planning to buy one, I don't operate them. But I watched this video anyway and I now know more than I did before I watched it. This is a very well made video. You are a master at you craft, sir.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Thank you Sir!

[@stevethiel5838]

Good comparison. Do you have comparisons of 30 to 40 hp tractors?

[@stevethiel5838]

Prefer open station, shuttle shift.

[@steelfabmechanic6545]

I'd like to see a comparison between the Workmaster 75 which is in the same class as the Kioti. It's like comparing a Deere 5075E to a 5075M, total different tractors. The NH you have is the economy line, not the deluxe line.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Yet they are both $30,000 ish. That is the point I am making

[@davidseehorsch3563]

Great comparison video.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

David Seehorsch Thank you

[@mikederby8332]

Man I want to personally thank you for going over the 2 different make and model tractors!! For a guy like me that is getting ready to purchase my first tractor it allows me to learn which one brings what to the table and which one is the right one for you, because we all know that what I need one for is different from what someone else is getting one for!!!! It was the small details that I appreciated the most because it was things that I had not even been thinking about and would definitely play a huge role!! For instance the hydraulic lines and their locations on each one was so important and again I would not have paid attention to that kind of thing. I also like that 70hp vs 70hp is NOT the same as far as engine wise,but I love that the kioti front bucket loader was bigger and lifted 600lbs more than the Holland, and lastly the rear hook up and lift was 1,200lbs difference coming from the kioti over the Holland!!!! So again THANK YOU SIR!!!! I'm sure you have helped thousands of people decide which one is best for them!!!

[@fml5910]

Excellent job of comparing the 2 tractors.

[@schleppinghay]

I currently have a New Holland Workmaster 70. I am trading it in for a Kioti NS6010 HST. The NS6010 is a smaller, much more maneuverable tractor, but nearly as powerful. The NH is an absolute chore to operate. Some of the work on our farm includes brush clearing in wooded areas as well as a lot of loader work with compost and manure, as well as hay making. Because of its difficult driving characteristics, other than row crop work or hay making, the NH is like a bull in a china shop. I also hate the hose routing on the loader. The way they stick up makes them very vulnerable to bushes and branches. The NH is very long with the loader and the turning radius is big. The trans is balky and shifting is almost impossible to do smoothly. I am really looking forward to downsizing to the Kioti NS6010.

[@ranchitosantos5165]

Which tractor is a better quality and more reliable tractor, Kioti or a Massey Feeguson?

[@AnalogKid333]

I have a work master and have found it to be far superior to the Kioti or any other tractors in this class. I use it primarily for logging 20 to 30 cords a year. It has been a beast. I much prefer the mechanical controls over the electrical ones which invariably will fail because of wiring or fuses.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Some people prefer mechanical, and that's great. Some folks like more modern amenities such as indoor plumbing, color television, and electric refrigerators.

[@AnalogKid333]

Larry Stovesand Equipment yeah my new fridge broke down too after two years but my moms 20 year old one is still going strong.

[@vaportrail6315]

Good luck finding a 4x4 pickup with manual hubs and shifter. Electric

[@michaelevensen84]

So it don't get much use then

[@jamesmckay9966]

I kept waiting for him to step on the dog.

[@eliasnull]

Great review! The people talking crap have never used or owned Kioti over an extended period of time. New Holland is a nice tractor tho and dealer support is a big deal!

[@steelfabmechanic6545]

I have used a Kioti and wasn't impressed at all, just another company that will fade eventually like the rest of the foreign tractor brands that have.

[@adammfharris]

@@steelfabmechanic6545 like Century tractors lol

[@paulmorton4615]

The fact that the charlie is there makes this 99.9% more true

[@BigTader]

Mike how about doing a TYM vs Kioti comparison video.

[@ModernCountryLiving]

Thanks for the comparison. The NH 621TL loader has a lift capacity of 3549# at bucket pivot pin. This compares with 3384# from the KIOTI. You always need to look at where the specs are listed. This is where manufacturers get a little sneaky. The NH loader is actually more capable. Mahindra also will list capacities at the pivot pin and then compare with competitors and 24" ahead of the pivot pin. Pivot pin capacities always are higher. Thus, a manufacturer who claims 2000# lift capacity at pivot pins will disappoint a customer who is trying to lift a pallet with 2000# centered on it. That weight is ahead of the pivot pins. And capacity is reduced the further you move away from the pivot pin. Kioti has definitely stepped up their game. Competition is good for the consumers. I always recommend people test drive and do their homework to compare models. I'd take either of those tractors....they both beat a wheelbarrow and shovel! LOL!

[@alphaone101]

Both Kioti and New Holland have issues of their own. For Kioti their biggest issue is lack of dealerships and the quality of the dealerships that they do have in many areas. In south central Pa. the few Kioti dealerships that I'm aware of are not farm equipment dealerships with a background in tractors, but rather dealerships that are primarily lawn and garden care or in some cases selling ATV's and personal watercraft as their primary business. In my opinion these dealerships lack the tractor knowledge and experience as do their mechanics and in some cases the dealership may even lack the equipment needed to diagnose and repair Kioti tractors. Larry Stovesand Equipment is probably the exception rather than the rule when it comes to Kioti dealers. In the case of New Hollands, as it pertains to Compact tractors, their problem is that they are managing to get by on name recognition of New Holland and the past reputation for advanced technology , reliability , value and dealership service and reputation. As stated in this video, New Holland really doesn't exist as a "manufacturer" of tractors anymore. The New Holland name or brand is now owned by a corporate conglomerate who gets their tractors made by various manufacturers around the world and I'm guessing that "low bid" for the manufacture of the tractors has a lot to do with who makes each particular model of New Holland tractors. The New Holland compact tractor that I was thinking about purchasing is made by LS tractors in S. Korea. You can buy a LS tractor with more features than a New Holland for less money than the New Holland tractor which is nothing but an LS tractor with New Holland decals on it, costing more than the LS which has more standard features. Anyone who has looked at LS tractors and done research on them will know that LS tractors are, for the most part, sold by lawn and garden dealerships and small engine repair shops. While some people are very happy with their LS tractors, there are likely more who are not happy with their LS tractor, the dealership and the company. The internet and youtube have a lot of very unhappy LS tractor owners. Issues with original quality and reliability are plentiful as are complaints with dealerships lack of service and knowledge on LS tractors and the LS factories unwillingness to stand behind what they've built and are selling. People have had to take their new LS tractor back for warranty work and then waited weeks and sometimes over a month to get their tractor back only to find the problem was not fixed and New Holland tractors, at the least the compact tractors, ARE LS tractors. I didn't buy a New Holland because of who makes them and I didn't buy a Kioti because of them having so few dealers and my local dealer being first and foremost an ATV and personal watercraft dealers with only two Kioti tractors in stock.

[@blessed7fold]

@ alphaone101 Everything you said is the absolute truth. That's the problem with both brands. It's really a shame in a lot of way because both brands make tractors that have perfect specs that you will never find with Deere or Kubota. It's always a trade off. You give up one thing to gain another. It's hard to know which way to go sometimes with these kind of purchases.

[@pineforest7528]

I mean, just look at the differences in the loaders! Look at their profiles, side by side in the opening minutes.

[@philipchabot6064]

Good job i bought a compact CK2610. Wanted the New Holland but in the end the 2610 is a better machine,

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Phillip, you chose wisely.

[@justachristiansoldier9609]

Great review. In north and central Texas New Holland is a non-issue and JD is over-rated and over-priced. I appreciate your product being available in the marketplace. You have to wonder about these militant, foul mouthed commenters that were obviously not taught that if you can’t say anything constructive or kind than keep your mouth shut, one of many things wrong with young Americans today.

[@yellow72bronco]

Nice comparison, I’m in the market for a new tractor and I’m leaning hard to the KIOTI. That particular model actually but with the cab. Currently have a Bobcat CT 450 so it’ll be an easy transition. Cheers!

[@gemgroups9806]

I have recently went to drive a kioti same model and you can’t curl the bucket and go up or down at the same time.... this may be the breaking point for me if I can’t pick up and curl bucket at once it is almost useless. Same with dumping and going down or up... am I missing something?

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

You are mistaken. The Kioti KL7320 self leveling loader absolutely has the ability to curl and raise, or roll and dump at the same time.

[@gemgroups9806]

@@LSE_TRACTOR Yes, this was the Ck35 and 4010se... why would the new tractor not allow you to do this but the older ones I swear did? Have you operated a 2021 in these models?

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

@@gemgroups9806 Yes of course, and they do.

[@jeffpitzer8521]

I've been shopping for a new tractor and started considering all brands. New Holland was my first test drive...I couldn't believe how disappointed I was.. the turning radius was HUGE! the Kioti was tighter than I would have thought possible.... the NH shifting was clunky and had to use the clutch for any and every gear change...now I only need to choose WHICH Kioti tractor to buy.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Jeff, buy several! You will love them all!

[@erikgiggey4783]

2 years ago when i went shopping for a tractor i spent a lot of time at the major brands available in my area. JD was so expensive i walked away. Kubota was again very high priced. it was down between 2 tractors, new holland boomer 35 and a kioti, both were used sub 1k hours. the kioti had 32hp to the nh38 but the kioti was 15k more than the NH. so i have a Blue tractor. the kioti i looked at still sits in the dealers lot.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Erik Giggey I wonder what Kioti that would be. Kioti never offered a 32 HP. The Boomer, which is a rebranded Korean machine, is actually a pretty good tractor.

[@MrKen-longrangegrdhogeliminato]

Kioti Orange, I like my CK-30

[@pieterloedolff2280]

I read once, 'when you buy a New Holland you will get to know your mechanic'. Not sure if this is true though...

[@devshewitt4809]

Hey boss my ck2610 I be driving all of a sudden you here it get deep the engine and boom shuts down thing is it fires right back up drive a bit does it again we pumped the crap out of filter ran good rest of night have you had any do this I was told primary pump but it’s only got 134 hrs

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Call Jason Buchanan at 615-956-0334

[@mrbubetube]

excellent!

[@farmall1farmall132]

Comparisons great but as a farmer you missed out on the main thing a farmer looks for when buying a tractor or any equipment. A piece of equipment is only as good as the supporting local dealership. What I mean by that is if I wanted a kioti and there is no local dealer within 100+ miles let's say and I'm down times $$$. Let's face it all tractors will break it's a fact. I again am not a dealer but a farmer and I don't go off name brand but go off of local dealer support. I would love to try a Kioti though I am partial to the old school features on the new Holland honestly.

[@PopPunkPoser]

The main thing a REAL farmer looks for is the color red! Ever see a Koiti working the fields...nope! Hobby farm junk tractors.

[@Carocade]

@@PopPunkPoser There are alot of Kiotis working in the field - you must also not know about engineering - Koreans have really good engineers - nothing junk about them

[@paulmorton4615]

I dont look for any certain brand also I just go off of what im getting for my money or getting alot for a little extra money,I normally just purchase older tractors that are used by people in the local area and normally just fix all the little problems but try not to get ripped off for a piece of junk but if your formiliar with tractors particularly its normally easy to avoid I normally use jds and mahindra no need for large tractors just around 120 horses is what I normally use

[@orchardhillfarmequipment4347]

Well Done Mike! Them blue tractors sadly are not what they use to be!

[@PatrickDKing]

lol...no that's the problem, they still are what they used to be.

[@Deere-uh4go]

I have never seen a Kioti dealer. I’m sure that are ok but if it broke not sure where id have to go to get parts. I’d like to see what both are worth after 3-4 thousand hours.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Deere 6430 you must live in a very remote area. There are 400 Kioti dealers in North America

[@quaidclark3782]

We have a workmaster 55 with 840 hours and we are sick and tired of it. Bought it brand new in 2013 and now electrical harnes has burn up. Plastic is cracked on dash. Sometimes the 4wd shifter gets stuck. Paint is starting to peel off for no reason, and it’s always parked in the shed when not in use. Also can’t stack two rows of round bales on a truck. Just a cheap cheap tractor.

[@bullrambler]

It's a simple choice. Buy the tractor that is less equipped for - about the same amount of money. Or buy the tractor that is more modern and provides more options for about the same amount of money. I've tested or used quite a few tractor brands and in this size segment the Kioti is a great tractor. There are other decent brands too but one really needs to study the differences among them. look at reliability, parts availability, service and cost,

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

BigRed56 well reasoned. Thank you

[@wendellbutler357]

I'm thinking I may purchase a 2610 this spring. Will be hauling 5x5 rolls of hay and brush hogging. Is it a stout engine?

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Wendell, it really is. I have a video that may be worth a peek: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5a4iaGea7udqtk

[@shoen4u1]

I bought a new holland workmaster 70. Originally i wanted a kioti, but the price on the kioti was much more. The design of the workmaster is very basic, i do feel the kioti is a better machine but economics come into play with a purchase that large

[@pseudopetrus]

I always worry about all that electrical shifting stuff breaking down. I would need to see the warranty, that electrical is covered!

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Yes. All components such as that are warranted for two years with no limit on hours. Here is the thing, the electric switch eliminates the weakest part of any shuttle shifting machine: the cable that runs from the handle to the transmission. That cable will stretch over time, and you won’t know it until the clutch wears out prematurely. The power shuttle simply activates a solenoid to separate the two plated clutch and allow the gear change. My Ford Ranger, F350, F450, and every other paddle shift automotive transmission use a twin clutch design. No one that has purchased a power shuttle from me has regretted it.

[@pseudopetrus]

@@LSE_TRACTOR Thank you for the reply, I have to say that my F150 has an electronic limited slip feature and it is 7 years old with no problems. I have heard from local farmers, that they are getting sick of some of the electronics on their newer tractors. They have had problems and the down time is a big problem. I honestly do not know too much about it as I have an old Ford 4000 from 1969 and love it! I lease my fields out, so for my needs it works just fine. I have seen good reviews on the Kioti tractors and will keep it in mind if I ever need an upgrade!

[@rageridersrx]

I bought a left over brand new 7320 open station this summer its a 2017 model ag tires 2 remotes power shuttle loader rear tires loaded $30000 delivered to my house. overall I'm very happy with it and now it has 35 hours only issues were seat safety switch tractor wouldn't start and I by passed and problem solved. tractor normally is shed kept but we had 10" of snow the other week and it sat outside a few days well one morning at 20 degrees I needed to use it and although it started right up the loader wouldn't move at all. the problem was the loader controls are cable to solenoid and water must have been in the cable and froze. An hour later I took the covers off the controls and used a heat gun to thaw the cable out hopefully I can find a solution as its going to be a long winter. Overall I would recommend the kioti 7320 to just about anyone my next choice was a ls mt5 73 and im glad I went orange.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

rageridersrx, Thank you for sharing. Please take the dust cover off of the joystick one more time and spray water dispersing oil (WD-40) onto the movable knuckles. This will eliminate the water that freezes and leaves the loader unusable. p.s. I'm glad you didn't try to force it loose, the cable would have snapped. While this would be a valid warranty claim, it would have required replacement of the cable.

[@danwhitlock1946]

rageridersrx, I'm looking at the exact same situation with a leftover 2017 model 7320 open station. Did you negotiate the price or was it set by the dealer?

[@rageridersrx]

I negotiated

[@andrewells7441]

WTF? Really kioti tractors were first introduced and sold in America in 1986. I have owned a John Deere that I purchased brand new with the trailer package loader, and bush hogg. Look at all the really shady comments made. I went to J Deere to look at a 70 hp tractor with a closed cab, I walked into the dealer in Wharton Texas south of Houston, as I was working at the nuke. Man, it's hot in Houston, I had a bad experience with my open cab JD, so when I got into the cab and turned on the ACU, it blew like a cheap fan from Walmart. I asked the guy was it working he was somewhat embarrassed. I was pissed and drove all the way to the Kioti dealer the next day to the far northside of Houston. I jumped into the Rx 7320 closed cab that they have sitting in the hot sun in the lot, turned on the ACU it blew my ass out the seat it got immediately cold. The best price I have found was $42,000 with cab and loader in Phoenix, Arizona 2020 model. Why would J Deere have a tractor on the lot brand new that does not work? To me, this is a sign that this dealer is useless. The reason why you don't see a lot of used kioti tractors is that the people who own them like them. The others are the type who will buy a 35 hp tractor to work 200 acres of land then drop a tampoon because they could not use their triple mower, and post a hate-filled clip because their light bulb blew out.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Andre, "then drop a tampoon because they could not use their triple mower". Sir, you win...you win everything. All of it. The whole internet. When it comes to finding the perfect descriptive insult, I am not only a novice by comparison to you, I have no business even passing within your shadow. You are the Chuck Norris of literary mastery. Please email me your address and t-shirt size so that I can send you one of my new "Orange Tractors Matter" shirts. [e-mail]

[@andrewells7441]

@@LSE_TRACTOR c'mon Larry for real? I was not saying you are that guy? All I am saying is a lot of people use their equipment the wrong way, or I should say in a way the tractor was not intended for. lol calm down, If I the pasture is swamped with a week of nonstop rain, I am not driving into the pasture just because I have 4 wheel drive then claim the tractor is worthless because I bogged it down to the frame in the mud. I am not saying Larry that you do this or have done this, everyones opinions count, right?

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Andre Wells, you misunderstand me Sir! I laughed out loud. I agree with everything you said. You are a hoot! I seriously want to thank you and send you a t-shirt. I’m the guy in the video. Dude, you are my hero.

[@andrewells7441]

@@LSE_TRACTOR great! Hit me up at [e-mail] maybe you can beat that price i got in phoenix for the RX 7320 cab n loader?

[@qzorn4440]

the kioti rx6620 works very well... thanks...:)

[@leedawson8301]

Well, here's a question, not in defense for the new Holland but to clear up a bit of confusion. When the push button four wheel drive takes a crap, or the self leveling bucket stops working, two hours over the warranty, how much will all that cost to fix? Sure the plumbing is nicely tucked away, but what a pain to untuck it to find the busted hose. I am considering a Kioti tractor in my future, but I have to say, the fuel tank placement is top shelf, unless you need to cross a berm or climb over a tree. So at the end of the day, every design has its pros and cons. Sure push button stuff is good, and gear driven stuff is a pain, but, my friends gear driven tractor was built in 1962, everything about that tractor still does the job. I wonder if all this electronic stuff will still be working sixty years from now?

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

None of us have rotary dial televisions or cars without a/c, yet no one asks, sure a/c is nice but what if it breaks?

[@leedawson8301]

@@LSE_TRACTOR I agree, and please don't take it the wrong way, I have some of the bells and whistles on my tractor. But most old school farmers would argue dependability. The 992G rock loader I ran had the self leveling bucket, worked great until it got older, then it was a nightmare for the mechanics to fix not to mention the cost. My pickup had the push button 4 wheel drive, worked great until it quit. Sure the new designs and upgrades are good especially for the operator just learning. But to have a tractor more than 8 years would be a major expense now days. I do need to do more research, my next investment will need to last.

[@markpalkowski9673]

i work the hell out of my new holland and have never had a problem with it ,

[@gmdick247]

When I was on the market for a compact series tractor I tried JD, NH, Mahindra, Kubota, LS, and a couple others along with Kioti. I have two local dealers with excellent customer service and parts supply. The warranty I got with the Kioti surpasses the competitors. I got the CK2610HST with the front loader and back hoe. I have put my Kioti through hell and back and it has been a very good tractor it has battle scars but hasn’t been defeated yet. I love the standard quick attach system on the front loader which the competition offers but I have to pay extra for that option. My neighbors have kubota tractors and they can’t keep up nor do they have the lifting power of the Kioti. No dealership could beat the price that I paid for the Kioti plus some extra implements wrapped into the price tag. My most favorite attachment is the front loader just because two handles and I can attach any skid steer loader implement to the front of my tractor. I also do my own maintanence on it. Two months after purchasing it I had to do the 50 hr maintanence and now I’m working on close to 1000hrs. Never had an issue. I like the maintanence friendly placement of vital engine pieces. My Kioti is 3 years old and I wouldn’t buy anything other than Kioti. I know people can be biased toward certain products but I don’t see very often a Kioti traded in for another brand.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Michael, thank you for your testimonial!

[@gmdick247]

Larry Stovesand Equipment you’re welcome. I love seeing head to head competitions they are the best advertising.

[@gailmrutland6508]

*Great video but I would have liked to have known the prices (then) between the two. Sometimes we have LEXUS taste with Chevy money Other times it would be penny wise pound foolish, but I can't make the judgement without ALL the facts, Price being in the top 5*

[@tonydagenais3654]

kioti are nice tractor and nice comparison

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Thank you Bob Dagenais

[@ruralridez6165]

I personally wouldn't want either tractor. Live PTO is a must for me. The Kioti did spec out nice I currently own a T5.115 want to add a 50-70hp tractor to my fleet.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Rural Ridez616 Why would a live PTO possibly be a positive thing?

[@ruralridez6165]

@@LSE_TRACTOR because with a live PTO you can push your clutch in and not shut off the PTO which you need to do sometimes when square bailing hay. Same thing when your working the ground with a 3 point tiller.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Rural Ridez616 this is an electric over hydraulic. It has nothing to do with pushing the clutch in or not. It is independent of the driveline. It stays on until you turn the switch off.

[@strangerranger2565]

The PTO on mine stays running when you push in the clutch but you can set it to shut off when you lift the 3 point. It also has regular and E-PTO speeds which saves about 25% more fuel mowing when the grass and weeds are not too thick.

[@countryboyhouchin571]

that 621tl actually lifts 3880 on the new Holland

[@rockiemountin7535]

Looks like the NH bucket has more cubic inch the other may be wider but that’s it

[@shoresguy48080]

Give this apples to apples comparison I see the new workmasters 70 for between 29K -31K what is the new Kioti RX7320 Power Shuttle selling for new?

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

31will buy one. That’s my point

[@shoresguy48080]

@@LSE_TRACTOR at that price the Kioti RX7320 is a much better deal better deal. Before I bought my Workmaster 70 two times I actually went to a dealer in the area that sold Massey Fergusons and Kioti looking to buy a tractor both times I went there the salesman was playing on his smart phone I would ask him a question he would wait a couple of seconds stop playing on his phone answer my question then go right back to playing on his phone before I could ask another question I left and went to the New Holland dealer in Richmond Michigan walked in and bought the Workmaster 70 cash and had it delivered. If not for that salesman I might of got the Kioti

[@jasonjessen7736]

Not saying I like New Holland, but this video reminds of the time when a Pontiac dealer told me to never buy a Honda because they suck. Conflict of interest, take these comments with a grain of salt, decide for yourself.

[@shoresguy48080]

I have the Workmaster 70 I really like the Kioti you are showing I agree with most of what you say but disagree on a few things. 1 the 12 speed on the kioti is a huge bonus with my workmaster 70 in low 1st gear it just goes too fast for rotary tilling or or bush hogging in heavy brush. 2 I would love a self leveling loader Kioti all the way 3 The fuel tank for my needs I will take the Workmaster tank over the Kioti I do a lot of brushhogging and when I run over 1” - 2” saplings I want want my tank up and out of the way 4 The aesthetics on the hydraulics on the bucket of the New Holland are not as nice as the on the Kioti but when its 20 degrees out and I am connecting and disconnecting hydraulic fittings the New Holland fittings are right where I would want them and the fittings for the Kioti are where they can get snagged on stuff when in heavy brush. Thanks Larry

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

David G , excellent points. Thank you Sir, and have a Merry Christmas

[@whineysnowflake8072]

fuel down that low is easy to fill and easy to bust/dent

[@codycaron3058]

New Holland makes 2 types of tractors. Work master for simple utility and powerstar premium and technology.

[@justloggit22]

The buckets are so small on the kioti though

[@750rocketman5]

Both are better than a John Deere.. that I spend countless hours a year on at work. From what I've learned the kioti and massey are quite similar and I LOVE our Massey. A kioti will be in my barn this year I hope

[@blessed7fold]

Why do you say that?

[@jasonsechrist1]

I wish I had a local dealer near me for the Kioti.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Jason, There are 400 of us. Where are you?

[@johnk.3593]

I have the same problem. None within 100 miles, or there abouts. I'm about 45 miles out of Charleston SC. Green and orange dealers are close, there's a couple different red dealers close, but no kioti.

[@hydraulicshop69]

I like the kioti but looks like the bucket would fit in the new Holland wonder why it's so small

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

The Kioti Bucket is 10" longer at 82" vs 72 on the NH

[@hydraulicshop69]

@@LSE_TRACTOR yea I seen that just think a bigger bucket for landscaping/light farm use would be more effective not bashing it just a comment looks like a nice tractor and thanks for the reply good comparison

[@MrThenry1988]

500 lbs is a bunch. Being able to fix the thing and getting parts is way more important to me.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

Tim Henry I agree. If you own a New Holland, being able to fix the thing would be very important. As New Holland owners have discovered since Fiat bought them. Italians make good wine, great guns, and crappy tractors.

[@MrThenry1988]

@@LSE_TRACTOR Lol. I get it. Both are no good if you can't find the proper o- ring for that thing you need it for to operate them. Deere and kabota are close to me. There is a couple other tractors I've looked at. Same deal, parts. A friend of mine bought a 150 hp tractor. I forget the brand for now. He lives in Iowa now. He bought it in ohio. I was out there hanging around for a couple weeks and helping out. I noticed a leak on the injection pump. 5 days and he still didn't have the part. It was important we had that tractor for what we are doing. His closest dealer was Case. You showed the unit well against tha new Holland.

[@jeli1347]

You mentioned where the New Holland was made, how about the Kioti?

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

The birthplace of the Kioti is not hidden like the rebranded NH. S.Korea.

[@jeli1347]

@@LSE_TRACTOR good to know thanks for the prompt response. 👍

[@Bigwingrider1800]

R KING

[@williamreese2477]

Both are nice but every time you said push button and electronic my heart got a little bluer.

[@LSE_TRACTOR]

William, I understand your concerns, but think about it. Your truck has electronic 4WD. The automatic in your truck is a dual clutch design that allows for manual shifting. There are things that electronics can do better than gear upon gear engagement. It works, it really does. One technology that the Koreans understand better than anyone is electronics.

[@Badlatitude]

Oddly the hydraulic hoses on the New Holland look nothing like that on any other machine I have seen or can find a photo of.... Its possible whatever dealer mounted the loader was just a hack but.......

[@obieacres4676]

Less to go wrong on new holland

[@WVFreebyrd]

Having the fuel tank (Kioti) so low does make me nervous.

[@michaelgardner3728]

I think you did a good job an you also said the new holland was not a bad tractor.I thing people sometimes believe only what they want to believe? Kind of like politics dad was a Republican therefore I'm a Republican 😁

[@BrotherJohn-mz4qe]

New Holland has been going down hill for a while now. They are way over priced for what they now. They don't believe in their own tractor just backing them with a 2 year warranty unlike Kioti who offers 5 years power train.

[@EOTG_AK]

NH has a 2 year bumper to bumper and 6 year powertrain warranty

[@0e73]

Not an apples to apples comparison. The comparable tractor to the Kioti would have been the New Holland Powerstar 75. The Workmaster 70 is the stripped down economy 70 Hp. for an operator who wants no bells and whistles. Hence, why there are none.

[@geraldmcclintock2567]

My 75 hp John Deere is made in India. It’s 100% un-American down to its Chinese axles . Last JD I will ever own. Complete pos. Looking for a new brand.

[@tacomafan7488]

Kioti definitely wins !

[@Monkey_Snot]

Well it is New Holland after all, New Holland means "whoos i did it again" in German.

[@vernonvest9927]

Has Kioti paint jobs on their tractors.

[@davidmcclellan2786]

You're comparing an economy tractor to a fully loaded tractor, try the Boomer model.

[@kfelix2934]

The problems with Korean vsr USA any thing is parts costs. The tractors like cars come in cheap, but the parts are high.If that was not the case, I would probably own a Kioti vrs the workmaster. On that dumb ass comment @03:35 that deck plate is design to drain water so it would not rust as easy, just wash the deck off and remove mud, not sure the Kioti would hold up the same over years. The tank fill position is a big issues ( I waste a lot of diesel just filling my workmaster up ) , but I also do not like the lower tank position , since you can easily poke a hold in tank if you are in heavy thick brush. Outside of that the Kioti is a well built machine. I just only have one dealer within a 120 miles of my home and I have maybe 5-6 dealers for NH in the same radius. That was the main reason why I did not go Kioti.

[@ebayollis]

All the "negative points" youre using on the NH like mechanical shuttle and mechanical 4wd are absolutely selling points over the electric crap that comes on the kioti...and im by no means a NH fan Im also willing to bet if they still made a ford 4610 just like they did in 1988 , kubota kioti and all other tractor sales would be suffering severely