New Honda oil Filter Review

[@budblack3588]

for $16.00 there is a better alternative, I agree with you Wix XP is a better choice.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Thanks Bud, when I bought my Honda I was going to keep using Honda Filters, I just happened to acquire a bunch of XP for that car and glad I did.

[@softwaresignals]

I've never seen a cardboard-endcap oil filter break apart. Seen a lot of them cut open over many years now. Reality is, they work. The glue soaks in to the fiber material, and also soaks into the filter media, making a solid bond.

[@crazybillsgarage]

You have a point there, I really haven't found any fiber ends filters that have come apart, and I've taken apart many. I think I have changed my mind on a few filters with fiber ends.

[@TheRipePunani]

This! So many people get caught up on the fiber endcaps. Every used filter teardown, you see them handling it in a way that it would never experience in actual usage while sealed up with oil flowing, pulling and tearing at the endcaps and then conclusively claiming metal endcaps are superior. Simple fact is they meet manufacturer specs, some of which may be met with components from a similar filter from their OTS line, some aren't. For instance the Subaru AA12A Honeywell FRAM blue filters are similar to FRAM's Tough Guard filter, but things like the bypass PSI and even the endcap thickness are different. Again, they're made to the manufacturer specs, which like it or not involves the bean counters too. I haven't had any issues with the A02s on my wife's HR-V and I like the blue canister. Looks rad. Another thing people overlook (or maybe discuss too much depending on who is talking) is the P-gasket that manufacturers spec on OEM filters. They. Never. Leak. Just about every Wix, Bosch, Mahle etc filter that uses the square ring gasket, they almost always weep a bit. Is it a full blown leak? No, but the point is the OEM filters just work. No fuss.

[@lukesm5747]

G'day Bill. Can't believe that filter is made Japan.May as well just go and buy a Fram orange can of death for a few bucks and save $10.00. Pretty much the same thing.I would not run that filter any more than 3000miles. Great review. Cheers from Aust.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Thanks Luke, I was surprised at the quality also. Will probably never use a Honda filter again.

[@jonnymiskatonic]

Here's something to compare on those, there's that same part number with a USA made variant, about equivalent price, what I wonder is at least the USA variant is made by Mahle, and that part number is OC707 however that particular number from what I'm seeing they're made in Mexico. Filter looks exactly the same though save for the paint job on it. The Mexican made Mahle filter is also $5 here in the states. Are we paying over double the cost just to have the honda logo printed on it? Wouldn't surprise me.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Yeah that Logo did stand for quality in the past, I don't know about that now. I guess they can say anything on a filter nowadays, even where the filter is made. Not sure the Honda filter is even made in Japan anymore.

[@faxmen09]

US made "variant", the A02 is made by Fram in the US and also uses fiber end caps. Not saying it doesn't exist, but never seen a Honda OEM filter made in Mexico.

[@crazybillsgarage]

@faxmen09 was kinda hoping the filter would of been like the one I removed from my 2018 civic that I looked at years ago, the original filter was made of much better.

[@willpeony5534]

Happened in Ireland, Honda used zig zag pleated 'Made in France' filters up until about four years ago, now these cheaper straight pleats. Cheaper I guess.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Yes my original filter for my 2018 was made pretty good, cost cutting is always creeping into dealers filters. Whoever gives them the cheapest price usually gets the contract.

[@TimJoseph08031990]

For about the same price, you can get a Purolator The BOSS oil filter. I use that on my sister's 2012 Honda Civic. The Honda OEM filter is FRAM shown in the video, but Honda used to use Bosch oil filter for their OEM.

[@crazybillsgarage]

I wish that Honda kept using a good filter for there vehicles. But they went with one of the worst filters to through there name on.🫣

[@StanCarol-v3u]

Good video Bill, kinda shocked at this filters construction.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Thanks Stan I was shocked also

[@faxmen09]

Topic is the -003 made by Mahle Tennex, fits all current Honda models, ~2002 and up. Currently, not the most common Honda oil filter sold by Honda dealers, at least in the States. The Fram made A02, is the most common Honda oil filter sold. Based on Amsoil sponsored testing, Honda filters not noted for being very efficient. Honestly, 003 element looks fine to me, the A02 uses fiber endcaps too. But, with the many purchase options in equivalent 7317/14610 size, imo better choices for same or less money.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Thanks Faxmen, these do look very alike the Fram filters. And yes there are better filters that can be bought and used.

[@faxmen09]

@@crazybillsgarage And, all the Honda OEM filters are made to Honda specifications by the manufacturers, so really Honda's doing.

[@crazybillsgarage]

@faxmen09 yes that is very true, but I'm wondering how and who picks what specs to make to the filters, the bean counters or the engineers.

[@faxmen09]

@@crazybillsgarage Who knows. I suppose the same question could asked of any other feature or part of a Honda, or any vehicle for that matter. Bottom line, if one doesn't like Honda OEM OFs, lots of other choices.

[@crazybillsgarage]

@faxmen09 so right.

[@HiFiInsider]

I have some NOS Honda made in Japan oil filters that are about 30 years old. Are they still OK to use? they were stirred i in garage in California home.

[@crazybillsgarage]

They could be dried out a bit and moisture and rust may have gotten into them. Check them well before using.

[@HiFiInsider]

@@crazybillsgarage thank you for the advice.

[@ed909]

Honda has jumped around a lot with their filter manufacturers: 15400-PLM-A01 Filtech filter, fairly good. (USA I think) 15400-PLM-A02 Fram filter (Made in Canada I think) 15400-RTA-003 Mahle Tennex filter? (Japan?) There have been other manufacturers as well. These all fit the same cars.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Thanks Ed, big company with lots of vehicles on the road. Guess they need a few manufacturers to keep up with demand. The best filter that my Honda ever came with was the factory Japan built filter. Worked great and I can't seem to get those anymore.

[@zmelli]

The Cars with the canister type oil filters all have drop in Filters that have fiber end caps. I just bought 2 cases of these on eBay for $6.50 each, because its getting harder to find non Mexico or China made Filters.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Get them while you still can, it's getting to hard to get what filter you do want.

[@dfields9511]

Exactly why i use SuperTech ST6607 for 10K applications and for 5K applications either ST6607 or Purolator TL14610 or TL14612. That Filter looks like Fram made it

[@crazybillsgarage]

It really has that Fram feeling about it. I know those Supertech filters are not to bad. 👍

[@joshuawick5382]

What’s wrong with the Honda Oil Filters? I always use the Honda ones on my 1990 Honda. I use the 15400-PLM-A02. I haven’t had any issues yet.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Then use them, they work fine if you keep the mileage to lower miles or KMS.

[@honestbrother9427]

End caps doesn't matter when it comes to filtration bcuz some manufacturers like most toyota filters after 2007 doesn't even have end caps at all. So I don't see anything wrong with this filter at all. I personally will go with MOST OEM filters over after market filters.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Yes some filters don't run end caps but they are designed to do that, the Honda filter is not designed that way.

[@singular9]

I do oil tests on all my used oil. I had much higher amount of wear metals using the same oil back to back with 2 honda filters and 2 hengst filters on my honda. Nearly 3x and it seemed the hengst managed to filter out the Pb and Cu better. Had zero with the hengst, and 1-2 ppm with the honda filter.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Thanks Daniel that's useful information, I have been using WixXP and Hengst on my Honda nowadays.

[@lorenray9479]

Fibreglass is much harder than steel. Why is not one comment or vid discussing possibilities of radical fragments getting away to cause abrasion damage???

[@crazybillsgarage]

Good point Loren, yes things could happen.

[@hamu729]

Well how about thailand made honda oil filter. The oe no 15400-RAF-T01. I've never seen someone made a video to review the internal of the oil filter.

[@crazybillsgarage]

I will try to find one.👍

[@tanyalove6983]

OMG 😳 What have you done? How are you going to put it back together to use in your car?????😮😂

[@crazybillsgarage]

Very funny 😁 luckily they make more filters.😅

[@tanyalove6983]

❤well I have a filter that is just the filter part and I really do not know anything and I am holding an expensive one in my hand and a cheap one in my hand and I say I have no idea which one to pick. Luckily there was a mechanic standing nearby and he said to take the cheaper one❤️ because he said the pleats were farther apart and the sludge will go between the pleats and🌄 not get plugged up and the expensive one with more pleats the sludge coats the outside of the🤯 pleats and it plugs up quickly. So that made sense and he could see the filter every time he took one off the top of the engine so he knew what he was talking about so I just bought the cheaper one.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Nothing wrong with Cheaper, if you get regular oil changes then a cheaper filter will do the job. But I'm hoping your engine is not developing sludge as to plug up an oil filter. If your mechanic says you are getting sludge then maybe get earlier oil changes. Thanks Tanya, the comment was a good comment and asking a mechanic is a good choice.😊

[@tanyalove6983]

@@crazybillsgarage Apparently with that year model the 2.2l ecotech oil gallery to timing chain plugs up and the engine is interference engine and goes Kaboom when the timing chain snaps due to oil starvation. So I flushed engine at about 30,000 miles and right away engine became quieter, had more power and better fuel economy. So I flush after winter each year with kerosene and always there is a fantastic improvement. So another friend said to put a little bit of automatic transmission fluid in but I have not tried that yet .

[@crazybillsgarage]

@tanyalove6983 I have flushed a few engines with no problems. Cleans out a lot of crud from engine.

[@tanyalove6983]

@@crazybillsgarage well my friend has a Subaru and it only has 35,000 miles and I suggested he flush it it was noisy and hard starting and after a minute it was quiet and very smooth. It starts really easy now has more power and is quieter. Not sure what the kerosene is doing but it works great.

[@crazybillsgarage]

@tanyalove6983 kerosene is a bit thicker than water and has some solvent effects in the engine. It does its thing, maybe I will try it in the future.

[@jimcampbell3289]

Pretty sad evaluation, What needs to be measured is how it works - how does it actually filter/ the micron rating and how does it last for the duration between oil changes and filter changes. I want to see how this looks (and works) AFTER 5,000 miles with synthetic oil.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Thank you Jim, I actually have a Honda filter coming up that was in a Honda Civic for 7700 km. Look for it in the future.

[@sandorclegane4240]

They’re like 7$ a piece in a 10 piece bundle on Amazon?

[@crazybillsgarage]

That's not to bad of a buy, still $7 a piece in 10 bundle for us Canadians?

[@crazybillsgarage]

That's not to bad of a buy, still $7 a piece in 10 bundle for us Canadians?

[@sandorclegane4240]

@@crazybillsgarage idk bout Canada. But in amazon here it’s 71$ for 10

[@crazybillsgarage]

@sandorclegane4240 sadly at the dealership in Canada it would cost approximately $170 for 10, I'm betting much cheaper on Amazon. Thanks Sandor.

[@JeffreyHall-n9s]

Looks like the old 15208aa15a Blue Subaru filters

[@crazybillsgarage]

I will have a Subaru filter being reviewed soon. Thanks.

[@wallykaz1671]

Thank you for the video

[@crazybillsgarage]

Your Welcome Wally.😉

[@nathanielcasas8923]

The fram made A02 has a worse quality build to it than this one! It’s funny that people bitch and whine about “cardboard end caps” when Toyota doesn’t use end caps on some of there filters as well as Mazda 🤷🏻‍♂️ so in the end it doesn’t matter that it had those end caps lol I’d be more worried about filtration efficiency and the bypass valve setting on the filter being used…………so at least when you buy a Honda filter it was made using Honda specs so you have nothing to worry about 🤷🏻‍♂️ just my opinion that’s all lol

[@crazybillsgarage]

Thanks Nathaniel, your comments are always welcome here. Everyone has there own ideas about oil filters, so many filters are different.

[@honestbrother9427]

You nailed it, I was just going to say the same thing. Most Toyota oil Filters after 2007 don't even have end caps, so the end caps doesn't matter when it comes to filtration.

[@Change4ADollar]

I'll be scared to go pass 3k miles with that filter. I would probably even be scared to put it on....

[@crazybillsgarage]

It is sad to see how Honda has decided that there engines needed this very cheap filter for protection, the bean counters were obviously in charge of this decision.

[@davewallace9048]

I use the mobile one filter for my Honda

[@crazybillsgarage]

Thanks Dave, Mobil 1 is a really good brand, your Honda thanks you.

[@NathanielCasas-ky7zn]

Holy crap they are bending you guys over with the prices lol this filter from the dealer they are $10 AT THE MOST lmao

[@NathanielCasas-ky7zn]

Here in the UNITED STATES I forgot to say lol

[@crazybillsgarage]

That's Canada for yah, at least our gas Is more expensive also.🫣

[@crazybillsgarage]

😉

[@toniviudez6371]

Too much money for the quality of that filter. For this price better options such as Purolator, Wix, Mobil1 etc.

[@crazybillsgarage]

Exactly right, I don't like the build quality of the Honda filters now, I used the filters years ago when they came from Japan and much better built.

[@toniviudez6371]

@@crazybillsgarage I don't think that this filter is good to have it for change intervals of 7500 miles or more as suggest Honda. It looks more for a conventional oil and oil changes intervals of 3k miles maximum. I think that perhaps Honda vehicles can have oil issues because this filters and load miles driven can meet up gaskets and wear in the engine. Great video, honest and clear. Thanks.

[@crazybillsgarage]

@toniviudez6371 thanks Toni, yeah it's just not a great filter.

[@daewooparts]

3:36 ,lubricated rubbers

[@crazybillsgarage]

😂

[@LooneyFarmGuy]

Build quality is not what I would expect from Honda 🫤

[@crazybillsgarage]

It was disappointing when I cut it open, these filters at one time where very good.

[@lorenray9479]

Fibreglass is much harder than steel. Why is not one comment or vid discussing possibilities of radical fragments getting away to cause abrasion damage???

[@crazybillsgarage]

Not sure why, but fiberglass is pretty strong stuff. Thanks Loren.

[@Resistculturaldecline]

There is not one single idea on KZbin comments that will hold any theories or possibilities that Honda hasn't thought of yet.