New Launch Base Zone Transition - Sonic Origins

man this game is bad

[@Nebulaegt]

Guys if you look at eggman the explosion is perfectly timed and placed in a way that makes it look like eggman crashes into the death egg explodes and dies

[@fightro9149]

What if this is real

[@bababadibot-712]

Yea...

[@NathanSF-qr2ds]

Lol 😂

[@BlurEnzoBird]

This was used in Angry Birds Adventures, that when Pig Arms crashes the platform, then explodes Red and Stella (or Red alone and Stella alone) stay on panic, so king pig just escape to Death Pig, and the game just play the end sound then put the credits

[@HunterYtLand]

XDXD

[@hugoflores1093]

Really sells the "we're only in the middle point" I've always liked that RPG like esence in the story, the whole we did stop the Death Egg from relaunching but Eggman stil won't quit And he indeed learned from that mistake by the endgame

[@hakeemkabiawuthegamer5853]

Fun Fact: Sonic 3 Complete used the same transition when going to mushroom hill

[@MisterVercetti]

Wouldn't be surprised if that's where they got the idea from. Having Robotnik fly off was a nice little touch, though. That old unused animation finally has a purpose.

[@nan0smm646]

I mean it's just the Sonic & Knuckles opening but I loved when Sonic 3 Complete did this and i am glad it's back here

[@da-sonic]

i dont think the death egg falls that fast or has the sound tho so its a little diffreint

[@kris_deltarune20]

And air

[@shinuou1251]

Yeah and the transition from Carnival Night to Flying Battery zone

[@TheMasonGamer]

This is awesome. I had so little faith the Big Arms boss would be kept in, but they went above and beyond with this; even adding the unused Eggman sprites and the death egg cutscene from Sonic 3 Complete. Huge props to Headcannon for this (Yes the visual bug with the ship isn't great, hopefully that gets patched)

[@robbiewalker2831]

I was thinking the same thing about the patching.

[@UltraSTH]

The Death Egg cutscene is actually a reference to Sonic & Knuckles’ title screen

[@TheMasonGamer]

@@UltraSTH Yes, but so was the Sonic 3 Complete cutscene.

[@yourehereforthatarentyou]

what visual bug

[@TheMasonGamer]

@@yourehereforthatarentyou The ship falls down along with the platform after it disconnects. Also Eggman’s flying away animation is in front of one of the polls and looks a bit awkward

[@yinzeh_2]

Fun Fact: The eggman sprite when its escaping is actually unused in Sonic 3's ROM!

[@ozolot]

I was telling my brother this because I’m a sonic 3 nerd.

[@sonicmaiden2871]

I didn't know this! Its cool that they finally used them!

[@beatziegraham6928]

They added that in but didn’t give Sonic 2 Hidden Palace Zone it’s original unused music.

[@sonicmaiden2871]

@@beatziegraham6928 also I wish that they would've included the other cut Sonic 2 levels like the wood zone for example. Also it would've been cool if they finally would've made the cut Relic Ruins zone in Sonic CD as well.

[@RylieCoombe]

Because that was never the intended music for it. The mystic cave player 2 was always intended for hidden palace

[@comicfan1324]

0:38 The only issue I have with this entire cut scene is the weird perspective of the egg mobile. As it gets smaller it’s meant to be in the background but it’s still in front of the platform or standing on which makes it seem like eggman it’s just shrinking.

[@milanyislara1859]

Huh? Bro the deatb egg is the size of the moon, and also. Robotnik fades in the backround.

[@MatchaFoxx]

I think it’s a layering issue. There’s a few of them in origins. He’s most likely meant to go behind that bar. Might get patched.

[@cameronmoore7675]

@@milanyislara1859 At 0:40, Eggman's sprite is shrinking while being front of the support bar of the platform Sonic is standing on. It breaks the illusion of Eggman flying into the background toward the Death Egg.

[@milanyislara1859]

@@cameronmoore7675 oh, now I see it.

[@SgvSth]

There is also the problem that the booster pad(?) is right above the falling platform at 0:50. I think it would make more sense for the platform to have fallen a decent distance away by that point.

[@trash_lol]

i’m SO GLAD i went completely unspoiled for this, this was an absolute treat for a sonic 3 nerd

[@Apatetika]

Same!

[@MissUmbra]

SAME HERE AS WELL I LITERALLY DID NOT EXPECT TO SEE BIG ARM APPEAR EITHER

[@trash_lol]

i literally said out loud “scaling fleeing eggman sprite goes here” and then it did

[@nickytembo4112]

If only the Prototype remixes have as much effort as the transitions

[@agrastiOs]

@@nickytembo4112 The music replacements were SEGA's part to do. No wonder why it got fumbled.

[@AuditoreLink]

Without the Jackson music and the complete, the beta music and and the in game transition this feels like this is how the game was planed to relase all along

[@AguFungus]

So the "Sonic & Knuckles Finished" jingle, which was originally unused in the original game, finally became used in this game. Gotta give credit for that, and also for returning Big Arm to Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and using the transition from Sonic 3 Complete. I still wish ValleyBell's arrangements of the PC music were in this game, too. Maybe in possible future mods?

[@Kitsuna_Gacha]

Unused? Do you mean it was in Sonic the Hedgehog 3? Because I'm pretty sure in Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic 3 & Knuckles this song plays. That or I'm just an idiot and don't understand what you mean...

[@Trimint123]

@@Kitsuna_Gacha It wasn't use in S3K.

[@Kitsuna_Gacha]

@@Trimint123 As far as I know (bear in mind I might just be stupid as I play 3 Complete a lot), the Sonic 3 game clear jingle doesn't play at the end of the locked-on game. It just doesn't make sense to me when they'd overwrite all the other S3 versions of the song to S&K (Title, Invincibility, 1-UP) I could be wrong but it just seems odd to leave that one song out to me...

[@Freezerboy69]

Why valleybell's renditions out of curiosity? I don't have anything against the guy but I find his renditions inferior to the original proto themes since his renditions were based off the garbage pc versions of the music instead of the superior versions in the proto.

[@E10Kguy]

I like that the death egg falling is the first note in the S&K title screen

[@ghhn4505]

I was really surprised to see Big Arms appear. It's so cool they combined the two boss fights, especially since I always play Sonic 3&K and have never really fought Big Arms before.

[@ChunkSchuldinga]

Play the Knuckles route, you Neanderthal.

[@bennel3588]

I could see why you would just play Sonic 3 plugged into Sonic & Knuckles, if you have both gamez at the same time or had Sonic & Knucklea before Sonic 3 or before beating Sonic 3, and you knew it completes Sonic 3, why play the incomplete version? You think it has everything. At least, plugging Sonic 3 into Sonic & Knuckles changed Launch Base Zone, and even removed the Big Arms. Sonic Origins did not stay to how the Launch Base Zone was like in just Sonic 3, but did keep the Big Arms.

[@skycladangel1674]

no joke, when Big Arms appeared. I cheered! and watching the cutscene which clearly was Sonic 3 Complete inspired was awesome. Without a doubt the best moment of Sonic Origins

[@thewolfgabe3656]

I like how they incorporated the title screen from Sonic and Knuckles into the new transition cutscene

[@Miikoverse]

I saw that too. The only thing missing is the sonic and knuckles sprite, the title name, and the character select and music

[@thebigguy270]

This transition is the best thing to come out of this compilation

[@yoshihammerbro435]

OMG it would look cool but Eggman's Sprite doesnt go behind the platform beam so it makes it look weird like he is very tiny

[@murphmariotwopointoh7714]

Personally I would've had Sonic and Tails look at the falling Death Egg like in the original, then have the end of act stuff happen once the Death Egg's a good ways down the screen. This is still pretty good though.

[@PhirePhlame]

Had it been me, I probably would have used the S3 Game Complete fanfare for this sequence, since that's the arc that was just finished

[@NotABabyDaddy]

I actually like this transition. Lot of details that’s not in Sonic 3 Complete from what I see. I was complaining when the music got cut, but then I see they used a different track and we got a “Zone Complete Results” summary. I guess Origins did something right for a change

[@charlie4christ536]

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[@pupulauls]

Yeah the zone complete used the music for when you complete sonic 3 standalone

[@AguFungus]

@@pupulauls The jingle is from Sonic & Knuckles, which was originally unused in the original version.

[@mlgpapas1319]

it's a mod for Sonic 3 A.I.R

[@aerodynamo4874]

Origins did a hell of a lot of things right. People are just glossing over the good with exaggerations of the bad. Obviously, the replacement beta remixes suck, but so much of Origins is miles better and makes up in so many ways.

[@rampage60003]

The big arms boss fight caught me out off guard I get used to not fighting him on the complete sonic 3 and knuckles glad to see him on the complete game

[@earlyriser03]

Absolutely LOVE this transition. This is the kind of passion the Mania team delivers, even in time crunches. A shame Sega just shits on their work constantly.

[@uzomaiwuagwu535]

I love that they used the same transition as Sonic 3 Complete. I also like that the Big Arms boss battle is restored for Sonic and/or Tails' playthrough.

[@mann-nova9392]

I love that the falling noise for the Death Egg mimicks the wind up of the title screen.

[@jimmybob5541]

Honestly other than the music and the shady business practices this compilation is amazing

[@mattwo7]

When your arms are so big they break support beams.

[@invisiiso]

Why exactly is the lower part of the Death Egg still visible above the platform when the game transitions?

[@conradbrooks1760]

this was bothering me too, I had to scroll down a bit to see a comment pointing it out.

[@PaxPredicate]

No reason other than laziness/lack of attention to detail, I guess. Same explanation as for why the pole weirdly remains blocked by Eggman's sprite even as he moves into the background.

[@invisiiso]

@@PaxPredicate Regarding the pole... I think it's just that Eggman comes out of the wrong place, because in the Beta version he seems to come out the exact same distance from the left side as he does now, but the difference between then and now is the aspect ratio which causes that weird effect. They may have just moved the exact same code straight to this game without modifying it at all.

[@TorutheRedFox]

@@invisiiso they literally can't do that, it's more likely that they either overlooked it, or it's one of the rough edges that Sega didn't let them fix

[@miwestraveler3986]

You can see a hole at the Death Egg's bottom. That's what it is.

[@JonahBoing]

This made me lose my mind, the shock when I saw eggman rise instead of fall and get into the big arm (in the original 3&K you don’t fight big arm as sonic, only as knuckles). And then the sonic and knuckles intro as the transition made me lose it

[@Dekomata]

the number of unused stuff in sonic 3 being reused here is amazing.

[@superofsrb2196]

they had to have made the death egg falling noise the first note of the title song to mess with us. its like those songs that never start.

[@superwariobros9108]

Feels so weird hearing the beginning sound of the sonic and knuckles theme but it doesn't play lol

[@iaminsideyourwalls2021]

Till this day, I've never been able to figure out how the Death Egg is crashing in the background when Big Arms is defeated

[@AstroTom]

I was very happy they brought Big Arms back, this is how I wanted 3 and Knuckles to be!

[@superfandesonic1]

I played too much sonic 3 complete that I thought it was normal xD

[@revolusionotaca]

There seems to be a layering mistake, highlighted by the fact that Eggman moves further away than the support beam should allow him, making him look really tiny.

[@Koop_Soup]

it's literally the background animation from the sonic and knuckles title screen. Not complaining though, it's cool to see it without anything blocking it

[@ZeiZei990]

Eggmans sprite clips with the pole sprite and bottom of death egg is still there when camera moves down.

[@silverXI22]

*I expected the s&k title theme to start playing because im soo used to seeing that on the genesis.*

[@Justin-Hill-1987]

The Death Egg looks like the AT&T globe with two eyes and a Teddy Roosevelt mustache...

[@lowhp_comic]

I wonder why Eggman decides to return to the currently-falling-from-the-sky Death Egg

[@mattypaul87]

I admit I wasn't expecting to face Big Arms so I went in as Super Sonic with low rings. Nice they added the boss fight back.

[@Themysterycreaxture]

the death egg sound effect that opens for sonic and knuckles just fits right

[@MrOrthopedia]

I always thought the Death Egg was a flying pig.

[@FlyingDuckMan360]

@MrOrthopedia Have you ever played Rocket Knight Adventures? It's a Sega Genesis game with a space station that was partially inspired by the Death Egg; the Pig Star. The villains in that game were pigs.

[@givemethesalt]

@@FlyingDuckMan360 oh thats pretty interesting

[@SparkyMK3]

So can someone explain why the Death Egg went pear shaped just because Eggman's Big Arms machine was defeated? If something that massive went careening out of the sky just because a small platform got knocked off of it/lit ablaze, Egghead must have really cut some corners putting it back together.

[@thenickstrikebetter]

Same reason why metal can be blown up by a hedgehog tapping it 8 times

[@hirotrum6810]

Hearing the death egg fall without it leading into the main theme sounds so wrong

[@RAFMnBgaming]

Nice idea, but I'd definitely liked to have seen it with more time in the oven.

[@MullerFan28]

this made origins price tag a bit more worth it

[@tyrus_kitt]

I bet that somebody will make a mod about this for Sonic 3 A.I.R

[@MrMiniblock]

it's on s3 air already

[@Apatetika]

Its been one of the default options for A.I.R for a long while

[@tyrus_kitt]

@@Apatetika I was talking about the eggman animation near the end

[@Kelis98]

I like that it’s there but the only issue is that the poles don’t connect (though maybe they aren’t suppose to and it’s suppose to look like it’s falling) and I wish they had used more of the sonic and knuckles title theme, not sure why they didn’t.

[@skydiamsteam6005]

Also other issue, Eggman appears in front of the poles when he should be behind them

[@Diathan]

While I've seen the Death Egg falling into the volcano in S3C, it's all still really cool!

[@2097xl]

The BGM sounds like its being filtered through a model 3 genesis, the sound effects on the other hand sound really good. How did sega think this was acceptable

[@KingHoDoKaN]

fun fact Eggman got rid of most of the goal posts to keep sonic from finding death egg in the special zone like Ivo Robotnik pre sonic 1 just some lore

[@MichaelOKeefe2009]

Headcannon's Sonic 3&K is pretty much the ORIGINAL vision of Sonic 3 if Michael Jackson wasn't involved at all.

[@LegoMan7597]

Description: “man this game is bad” Geez dude, it's a collection for a celebration

[@LucasLukinGC]

But several things about them are not very pleasant..

[@RoseSupreme]

@@LucasLukinGC Such as...? Barring the replaced music?

[@spongebobfan78]

@@RoseSupreme The only things that come to mind is the lack of widescreen for non-anniversary, the price tag and DRM on PC. Plus, if people aren't interested in the additions and would rather emulate or play fanports, they could've just, you know, not buy this since the entire point of the collection is to make these remakes officially available on consoles.

[@TJPagz]

0:51 I really thought I was going to hear the Sonic and Knuckles theme…

[@litlsprout6964]

0:49 The sound of the Death Egg falling is actually ripped straight from the Sonic & Knuckles title screen music, fun fact.

[@bcs9000]

0:49 - two death eggs (one in front above and other on the far back)?

[@TheHedgehogest]

probably its just wreckage

[@shadowopsairman1583]

Its the Launching platform for the Death Egg

[@evdestroy5304]

@@TheHedgehogest It isn't

[@ZNemerald]

Read the tweet by stealth. They were rushed.

[@evdestroy5304]

@@ZNemerald ok, and

[@professortrickroom3777]

0:26 I kind of wish they used the Sonic 3 standalone Game Clear music here...

[@alexsssi1848]

They just commited a sonic 3 complete right here

[@cheezyfriez12]

Other than the way eggman's sprite is scaled going from the background to the foreground, I really like how the custom cutscene from sonic 3 complete made it into the game. Nice.

[@magepumpkin]

dang that's actually really cool also they kept in big arms? nice

[@MoyanoJerald]

Well the Big Arm theme wasn't composed by Michael Jackson so it's safe even for a Remix by Cash Cash for Sonic Generations Nintendo 3DS Edition

[@magepumpkin]

@@MoyanoJerald no i meant the boss not the music

[@Kaleidio]

@@magepumpkin absolutely nothing in terms of level content was removed. only added.

[@magepumpkin]

@@Kaleidio in the original sonic 3 and knuckles they removed big arms for some reason

[@MrBlitzardo21]

@@magepumpkin they didn't remove it, they just moved it only to knuckles's story for some reason

[@Pyro03333]

it's kind of weird that the music just stops once you deal the last hit instead of continuing to play like in the original.

[@Sharff514]

Taking notes from sonic 3 complete. Love that they used eggmans unused sprite from sonic 3. I also love how the sound of the death egg falling leads you to believe the s&k themes gonna play but nah. Thats so funny

[@lordlem]

Anyone noticed how the sound the Death Egg makes is the opening notes of the Sonic & Knuckles theme?

[@GoldDragon20]

Fun Fact: Once Origins gets mod support, AIR *might* be obsolete.

[@duothecreator1814]

That's Impossible

[@ruler_of_everything]

i thought i told you no more fairy tales before bed

[@edgyslayer]

Keep dreaming Little jimmy

[@toaster-boyy]

it uses CriEngine, which makes modding simple things insanely hard.

[@RoseSupreme]

Silence, TerminalMontage fan. The changes and improvements in Origins are fantastic, but the amount of customization and freedom *PALES* in comparison to what AIR has to offer.

[@hildamarston4077]

This is much more better than Sonic 3 Complete. Because it actually feels more cinematic!

[@megajaredx9679]

This makes the transition much smoother to connect Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles

[@KingNoob25]

I like how when the death egg crashes into the mountain it’s the same scene from sonic and knuckles title screen

[@refth6893]

Man, such a shame they changed the Carnival Night, Ice Cap and Launch Base songs to their prototype songs, cause this honestly makes me wanna play Sonic Origins

[@monstermeyhem4555]

This is also in the sonic 3 complete rom hack.

[@Paulo-qs8mg]

BRO, this is awesome !!! Why this kind of detail cannot be seen in the other games...?

[@shinuou1251]

Fun fact: We saw the unused scene in AIR already, and even the original zone sequences

[@bandits1613]

That’s sonic 3 complete

[@sandudelcea6707]

Thank gator god that cybershell came back to make the sonic 3 bonus video becuz if he didn't, everyone would think these are new sprites

[@ssj4gogeta130]

Bro how strong is the big arms to cause a chain reaction saw powerful it sends the death egg back to the planet!

[@kinger41]

i was kinda expecting sonic to drop down like in the sonic & knuckles intro at the end there lol

[@Joshua05005]

Love how it ties in the title screen for sonic and knuckles

[@TyvenPayne-sv6gw]

This is a Sonic 3 complete moment

[@ghaleon128]

Ok, this makes no sense... At 0:49 the camera pans up and we see the bottom section of the Death Egg that the platform is supposed to have broken off of? That's not in the original, and the Death Egg shouldn't be in two places at once. :P

[@TeamTrainWreck]

TWO DEATH EGGS?!?

[@colburnrescores6654]

Looks like they took a cue from Sonic 3 complete

[@minusbfs5082]

Sunky and Tlels beat Robuttnik

[@somacruz10]

Nice, they made it from Sonic and Knuckles intro screen

[@buff00n3ry]

Fun Fact: You can't fall off the platform, there's a draft of air on both sides

[@DJNeoncat]

Am I stupid for thinking that the sonic & knuckles theme was gonna play at 0:49?

[@TheHedgehogest]

no i thinked the same

[@mane8751]

@@TheHedgehogest so did i

[@slimgrim3607]

I'm hoping they can compile these sprites into Sonic 3 A.I.R.

[@BkansBR3]

there's already a mod that does this

[@agrastiOs]

@@BkansBR3 not with the Eggman flying part.

[@BkansBR3]

@@agrastiOs there`s one for that too actually

[@JoJolion1]

Anyone noticed that there’s two death eggs? The one in the background and the one over the platform Sonic and Tails are standing on

[@josephfrye7342]

well that is sonic 3 prototype part 2 pc macintosh and sonic origins but the stand alone enhanced locked and loaded region locked was unfortunatly separated part for the genesis megadrive if it's either 60 hertz or 50 hertz such as NTSC Pal or Secam. (note both pal and secam has the fair share of 50 hertz)

[@ReiZaLiiE]

Idk where to put this but in this sonic 3, sonic uses the unused falling asleep animation if you dont move him, o seen him do it on switch, try it

[@OfficialRyanx]

Egg man logic: I will fly to the giant spaceship that is hurtling towards Angel Island.

[@S-Rank_Offical]

Fun Fact 2: This was used in the S3&K rom hack Sonic 3 Complete

[@toppythewizzerd]

me when on LBZ2 clear S&K "All Clear" (shortened) plays 😔 adding up on that, i must say that when it comes to tracks that changed in sonic & knuckles, i like sonic 3 ones

[@SwagMush]

And the sprite goes through the bean on the right. Again where did the budget go

[@JamiroquaiEnjoyer]

Sonic & Knuckles intro but there is no Sonic & Knuckles shows up in the title

[@OmegaChase1002]

this was in sonic&knuckles title screen tho. it's not new, it's just edited to better serve as a cutscene.

[@MostStupidGoofyGoober]

POV: sonic and knuckles intro but sonic and knuckles gave up

[@rickydargence5948]

After playing 3 and Mania again I feel Sonic 2 could've had some transitions added, the jump from Metropolis to Sky Chase is feels a bit anti-climatic in comparison, you're suddenly in the plane.

[@Gary_Hun]

O-oh... well... why is Eggman in his pod looking flying far away while rendered in front of the pillar? Why do we see a ceiling to the torn off platform at the very end, when that is supposed to be part of the Death Egg, you know the launching space station which's launch we just foiled and is clearly falling like a bigillion miles behind?

[@user_Z-]

I’ve been hating on this collection pretty hard but this was really cool tbh

[@superiorgamedude]

Am I the only one who prefers this port to the original? Yeah the music sucks now, but it just looks and feels so much better to play.

[@VirtuousAezon]

I was almost expecting the sonic and knuckles theme when I heard the riser

[@ian09dbz]

LMAO THE SONIC & KNUCKLES TITLE SCREEN NOISE

[@kingafdalayeva990]

0:26 so the ending in sonic 3 was reused in launch base new transition?