New Lexus GS F review

Lexus takes a refreshingly old-school approach with its 5.0-litre V8 GS F but can it out muscle the BMW M5 and Audi RS6? Steve Sutcliffe gets behind the wheel to find out.
The GS F might be an old fashioned kind of sports saloon in some respects, but where it counts - on the road - it delivers a major hit of driver appeal. That's despite the fact that it isn't at the cutting edge either technologically or dynamically. For the 100 people per year that Lexus GB hopes will buy one, the GS F’s big-hearted personality will matter far more than its mildly off the pace 0-60mph time. For most, it will be way more than quick enough, and it has a beautiful interior plus a genuinely comfortable ride quality as well.
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[@aliszemoniquemarella9559]

Standing ovation to this naturally aspirated engine of this magnificent machine!

[@curtissullivan5441]

5 years ago people say Lexus cars look boring, now they try to go with a more aggressive approach in styling and everyone loses their minds. Personally I like it because in the right color it stands out in a crowd of subtle BMWs, mercs, and Audi's

[@Autoexpress]

+Curtis Sullivan Certainly does in Europe, where a fast Lexus is a rare sight.

[@pussydestroyer4635]

They won the style award too

[@LOGICAL-JAY]

I totally agree...can't satisfy everyone..lol😅

[@JoeBlo2]

It may be a last-gen NA engine but it is still more reliable and fuel efficient than what the Germans offer.

[@utubecomment21]

Ex ... bl@@dy ... actly!

[@Birmingham_racing]

Turned out it wasn't the last with the new is500 while the next c63 amg will be a 4 cylinder hybrid

[@storck08]

Probably the last sports saloon with the NA engine. It might not be the fastest, but let's appreciate that car for this fact.

[@jhaabhishek]

Man that was a great review, we forget how good Suttcliffe is but then he does reviews like these

[@stoneeh]

+abhishek jha (aj159) only reason I come here is because of Steve :). He is probably my favorite motoring journalist.

[@sijt]

Or Steve Stucliffe if you believe the video!

[@therealbajan522]

+stoneeh He and Chris Harris are among the Giants in motoring journalism, I think they should do a show.

[@TheRidgeline]

Honestly hats off to Lexus. All the Germans are using more and more technology in their cars making them less pure. Lexus has a bad ass straight up approach. Simple 5.0 V8 sounds good and is reliable and then good solid sporty design. Keeping it simple is sometimes the best. In this world of every downsizing and forced induction engines. Thank you Lexus from an auto enthusiast

[@Slimecrazy234]

This will be a very desirable car in a few years. The comparable F10 M5 meanwhile would be worthless.

[@miskatonic6210]

Time will tell. ;-p

[@therealbajan522]

+Slimecrazy234 You are an idiot. The f10 m5 is seen as a revival from the e60 era and a harkening back style-wise and engine wise with its v8 to the e39 the best m5 ever made. It is already a classic and is still in production. Even Hagerty says its a future classic. Google f10 m5 is a future classic and see how many hits you get stating as such. I think your prediction is backwards. First things first this is a Lexus. Dont see this being desirable or a classic at all. people will forget about this car by year end. Just another utilitarian affordable luxury sedan Lexus, A Boring grandpa brand that not even the Glorious LFA could change the image of .

[@RK1FX]

Slimecrazy234 the gsf is the modern e39 m5

[@motorpolitan8884]

@@therealbajan522 F10 M5 now worth less than GS F in the used market.

[@shakke52]

@@therealbajan522 you were so wrong 🤣

[@Alumnikiid]

Lexus, more time driving it and less time at the repair shop, Imagine the cost of ownership of an M5 or S7 after 50,000 miles

[@Aurora_v_cali]

This is the only Lexus i want. The grill looks just right, engine, all balanced in a way that i really actually like. And I'm a Mercedes guy so thats saying alot

[@R3putaytion13]

I applaud Lexus for a NA engine. This is a rare find; using an engines natural power rather than using "steroids" to up the anty

[@camryt]

People need to stop comparing this car to M5, E63 and RS6. All of these are more expensive with almost 100 more hp and they still don't come as well equipped as standard as the GSF. The actual competetor is the S6, but when if you equip it with the same shit as the GSF comes with as standard, it becomes base M5 money, and that's just mental. So, comparing the GSF to the S6, it has more power, weights almost 200kg less and is a bit of a bargain when you look at equipment.

[@bradenmchenry995]

oooor you can look right at Cadillac and see the cts-v is cheaper and has almost 200 more hp. hmmmm tough choice considering the Lexus looks like a catfish with its face ripped off

[@camryt]

Braden McHenry Invalid in Europe, as the CTSV is not sold here. I honestly can't understand why the CTSV is so cheap, but I guess it might not be as well build or build using cheaper components. Or just other cars are more expensive because of taxes put on foreign vehicles. Dunno. But still, the CTSV is mighty impressive. The looks is personal preference, I really like the GSF and find the CTSV boring as hell. Same thing for the S6. The GSF's grille looks ok in Europe because of frontal numberplates, I'd see why Americans find it too big. But then again, Audi has even bigger grilles these days.

[@stoneeh]

+Braden McHenry the CTS-V is cheaper for the fact that it IS a cheap car :). Do you really think it will be as nice to sit in and drive, or for a matter of fact, as reliable and durable as a Lexus?

[@afa6361]

+camryt E63, M5, and RS6 are very unreliable cars, and wait until their turbos overheat on a track. They can't perform anymore.

[@Dgannt]

+AF A Almost nobody uses those cars on track. They are high performance LUXURY sedan/coupe. Regarding the overheating issue; The engine in CTS-V is the same as the one in Z06, which overheats just after a couple of laps and goes into limp mode. GM and the owners have big problems with that engine.

[@TSMSQ]

I'd take it over the M5 or RS6!

[@victhaking3158]

+storck08 hear this all the time

[@TheEryk03]

+YazeedSaber I'd take the RS7 performance

[@Autoexpress]

+YazeedSaber Why is that?

[@Edward135i]

+YazeedSaber Same, this current generation of M5 is just a shot wheelbase 7 series to me. This car will also probably go to 200,000 mi no problem. The same can't be said for the Audi or BMW.

[@hendradi3031]

+YazeedSaber I'd take the M5 Competition Package.

[@NafaratMiyaMiya]

Excellent review and a brilliant car for a petrol head who wants a car that's sexy, different, super reliable, great resale, easy to drive hard, no turbo nonsense, 4 door saloon - I still want Lexus to a proper racer car that the RCF should've been but this car ticks all the right boxes ... Bravo Lexus

[@miskatonic6210]

Great resale? Seriously? Resale value will suck. 1. The market for these cars is small. 2. The market for a Lexus is even smaller 3. You have to account for heavy use when buying a car like this used 4. Parts and maintainence will be quite expensive 5. A Lexus is not a classic To find a buyer you will have to give a massive discount. Especially in europe.

[@NafaratMiyaMiya]

+Sirion I am referring to the 100 or so customers across Europe who would be interested... If you re-watch the video Steve said this car will sell in small numbers. It's for those ppl that just don't want to buy a German car and constantly have to get it fixed as German cars are known for their issues. I think it's fantastic. As for resale maybe not in Europe but here in the U.S. Lexus have incredible resale value. I would love to take this over it equivalent German rival. It's preference that I don't have to justify, because they are just great daily drivers.

[@nameunko]

+Sirion Lexus has the best resale value in the LUXURY BRANDS

[@Dan-eu1dz]

Lexus proper racer car? Google LFA my friend.

[@NafaratMiyaMiya]

+Daniel K. You do realize they don't make that anymore?

[@Tednessful]

Real man's traditional sports sedan/saloon.

[@Dan-eu1dz]

i own lexus and i love it. gsf will be my next car!

[@akbarmirza4258]

Thank you for a rather unbiased review... Most reviewers just bash the Japanese and blindly worship the Germans! As a Lexus owner (LS 430 V8 and IS 350), there is just something magical about a Lexus - it is almost an optimum of sportiness, luxury and comfort... It is a shame V8s are slowly going extinct, but I hope this car finds its way in the market!

[@Toyota4Life]

Awesome car. Great review ! The GSF seems to be geared towards being a drivers car more then a brute force like the over powered others in the class. I like it there's nothing like it anymore. Gotta respect Lexus for making such a sedan when they didnt have to.. Lexus is the performance luxury brand of japan. Looks great in that red pant finish. Also those seats looks awesome. Sadly this is the last run of that NA motor.

[@nizamahmed5073]

That camber though

[@Butterzai]

other car company try to make a car fast as possible , how fast it is , how many Horsepower it is , 0-60 , topspeed or how grip it has. lexus (and toyota too) try to do different thing , they try to make a car that give a fun car to drive , a great sound , steering calibrate , suspension , how the car feel more than how to make it fast >>>> that is the same way they make the LFA and GT86 and that a good thing i can't wait for the new Lexus LC IS LEXUS LC be a great car .

[@Autoexpress]

+Butterzai Good point. It was a shame that the RC F was so heavy, as Toyota got it just right with the GT 86.

[@thejets24revis]

+Butterzai Could not have said it better myself!

[@avindaperera1716]

Beautiful review, very simple but tasteful. It's been a while since I enjoyed a video like this, old-school charm with just the right combo of music, and common sense. No unnecessary drama, no fuss. Just like the car.

[@skulltrailRFL]

Damn, this lexus reminds me of the E39 BMW M5, N/A, engine, no silly turbos, etc. The sound is extraordinary from that V8 much like the E39, and best part is, you can have it with a manual gearbox. N/A V8 + Manual Gearbox = Heaven I would choose GS-F over an F10 M5 or the RS6, without a doubt.

[@ConstantineJoseph]

I'm still a turbo person. Despite the NA and old school throaty large cc engine which is great. It's important to embrace the new motoring. Great turbos and silent magnetically powered electric vehicles. We're only touching the surface of the new motors of the market

[@jenkomagic]

I had a GS430 with intakes and cat back probably the nicest car to do miles in that I have every owned.

[@iwearleatherjackets1]

The style and that color is gorgeous.

[@boy638]

My fav Lexus/supercar of all time is the LFA. Shame we wont get to see more applications of the V10 engine.

[@MrMustangrick]

Just bought a certified 2017 model......wow !

[@ozhoneybadger]

Still got it?

[@MrMustangrick]

@@ozhoneybadger Yes !

[@mikeshane-m1z]

@@MrMustangrick only 3200 made of the gs-f .. 2500 left hand drives and 700 right hand drives .. i've gopt a '16 NZ new RHD model ,, after market exhaust .. got it few months ago ,, 100k km on it .. i'm 3rd owner .. 8year old car and in NZ still $ 75-80k 2nd hand .. a ! of 3200 car ..LEXUS here reckon price on them won't drop too much more and then start going up .. HOW are you enjoying yours ? lot better than german car lovers think is my thinking .. and i've had RS4 B7 .. [a maintainance money pit ] plus driven bi turbo merc's and other hot cars .. my gs-f will never be sold .. as a RHD one its a 1 of 700 .. so rare and will appeciate in value id kept maintained [ with service history ] and garaged .. mine in [have all reciepts ] 100k km has had no probs .. only brakes, rotors / pads been replaced ..

[@LR-us1go]

I love the m5, i really do, but honestly, ( strangely ), I would take that Lexus, because sure, 100hp down from the m5, but lexus i think has put more effort in terms of engineering, BMW needs a double clutch gearbox on the m5 to have crisp gear changes, but the gs-f doesn't ! And the sound of that good old 5.0 liter v8, just mind boggling. And at lease lexus has the balls to do something different, that only a few amount of people will understand ... The style of the gs-f is just superb ( personnal taste ). The m5 could take some good lessons from this car! I didn't talk about the RS-6, cause yeah it's damn bloody quick, but fuck it it's only good for making you smile in a straight line, and it's handling and grip is highly sharp and efficient, but it's fucking Boring otherwise ! , it's just another fast german car near much perfect in terms of performance and grip, but still boring afterall. Well donne Lexus and thank you +Auto express to have given some chance to Lexus, and to proove to people that ze German's have still got some work to do !

[@Habitashi]

+Louis Rennles you are the first ever BMW fan to be honest. I thank you.

[@arabiggy12345]

you honestly made my night i appreciate it the honesty

[@therealbajan522]

+Louis Rennles I dont even like BMW i prefer Audi or Mercedes, but the M5 beats this the v8 cabin noise is synthesized, sounds nothing like that from the outside. M5 in actuality sounds better. But i like the Gutts Lexus show for making a car like this anyways. I am pleased.

[@LR-us1go]

Hey mate, pretty surprising to hear htat an m5 sounds better than this, even though it's more the m5 that has been synthesized, and that it's got a turbo to make it even quieter, but hey that's my opinion.. this engine is way more interesting than the m5. Kind regards

[@afa6361]

Such a beautiful car and great video.

[@NikoBell12]

I'd buy it. Everybody loses their mind of those highly repetitious twin turbo German cars but they bore me these days. This does look old fashioned and I love it for that.

[@HyperbirdF6]

Very good car, great review

[@Autoexpress]

+HyperbirdF6 Thanks!

[@germancarcollector]

+Auto Express I bought one. it's amazing

[@Greg_In_SoCal]

I'm a little late to the party, but this was a wonderful review, not because I agree, but because of the information provided and how it was presented. Very polished. I have twice in the last two weeks driven a 2017 GS F, as I have been on the hunt for a new vehicle. I have looked and driven comparable cars and those out of its league (e.g.: CTS-V). This is the first time I can remember saying to my wife, "I think I might want to purchase and hold onto this one."

[@canoeshoe]

NA V8! The sound alone is worth it.

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

makes me wanna cry, I love it so much...

[@juststuff5216]

A two tonne saloon car that can do 0-60 in 4.4 ... 4.5 secs ... I don't know what more people want. And it'll still be around long after any European cars has turned to rust … or worse, turned into a restomod!

[@milopichu]

the exhaust note sounds surprisingly smooth and understated.

[@HodsBroo]

amazing review, you need your own channel. I flawed you before for trying to sound like Chris Harris but completely take it back. what an amazing car and it's nice to see some praising it.

[@tw2210]

Great video Steve. Wondered where you had gone to. Glad to have found you again.

[@Autoexpress]

+Tim Waters Glad you liked the vid!

[@zeuth_Sengsou]

Can't beat good V-8 sound.

[@ScottZ370]

Is this 5 series and E class sized or 7 and S sized? or even just between them?

[@carsaregood911]

+S Miller 5-Series, E-Class

[@Buchhalter007]

+S Miller its is a competitor to e class (amg) and bmw 5 series

[@khd8667]

LS460 = 7 Series n S Class

[@ScottZ370]

KHD oh yeah forgot they had the LS for that segment, I always did get the GS and LS confused because the GS looks so long in the way it's designed.

[@senseiqhi]

I would rather have a naturally aspirated engine as they sound a bit better than a turbo engine. Yes, a turbo engine like in the BMW M5 is faster, but has some artificial sounds, which I'm not a big fan on. Also pointed out is the weight. It sounds heavy compared to the M5, so acceleration time will be slower and will take longer to reach 155mph. But don't tell me that in the UK you are going to be driving at 155mph everyday. nevertheless, the Lexus should fit in nicely

[@camryt]

+senseiqhi What? Heavy compared to the M5? Today's M5 is well above 2000kg, while the GSF weights 1830kg.

[@senseiqhi]

+camryt I used autotrader to find the weight and for the M5, it wasn't there, so I assumed with a smaller engine, it would be lighter.

[@burritomaker69]

+camryt its not well above 2000kg its closer to 1977kg.

[@Habitashi]

@autoexpress well done! your reviews are so unbiased thank you.

[@dyyyaaanneee]

I love my isf but damn that gsf

[@_dbarandon2775]

what a great review. felt every word of it. hats off

[@nathanscott9075]

he's the best to watch on auto express for sure and for most reviews tbh bar Mr Harris!!!

[@mkshn111]

why is Lexus so against adding turbos?

[@울트라맨-d5m]

I LOVE N/A ENGINE!

[@es3502012]

Such a good review OMG. !!!!!!!!! I love this car,i want one, and i m also so fascinated of how good this review is.....The content, the music, the overall package

[@MercSLRFan]

Actually, I thought this was the RC F right up until he said that the GS and RC share the same engine. They look identical.

[@TassieLorenzo]

It's got 4 doors!

[@younisalshaibani767]

GS F the best..

[@philipchang12]

Personally I like this more than the unreliable german counterparts. Sure this isnt as exciting but you can be sure as hell it will be on the road more than it has to be in the shop..

[@wtfdididolastnight]

that would look so boss in black with 22" concave wheels 👌

[@Xbox360Player350]

I thought the GS-F was slated to get the V10 from the LFA. it doesn't make sense to put (roughly) the same 5.0 liter V8 from the much smaller IS-F in a car this much bigger

[@mikeshane-m1z]

is-f is only about 420hp .. i've got a '16 gs-f , mines 477hp [ standard 468-472 hp ] ;; so 50 hp more is why still used the 5.0 litre n/a v8 .. plus driven my mates is-f .. nothing close to my gs-f ..

[@OriginalBernieBro]

If this is indeed a dinosaur consider me a cave man!

[@NBASFAN]

Let's just add to the fact that is a Lexus that will last you longer than any German car you have. Plus, Toyota it's one the richest company in the auto industry. Never a bad choice. Though the price could be a bit high and not a lot of choices to customize your vehicle. Just the standard A-C packages.

[@oscarlainz]

Madrid roads!!! great review as always.

[@gogutzy]

the truth is, the Germans are caught in the middle, *they can't afford* high displacement performance engines, and they can't build small reliable economical engines. There is nothing wrong in being special with this car. in 20 years from now, there will be no supercharched M5 to drag this NA GS F.

[@ronchristella]

My next car from an isF. Japanese muscle. Beat it up all day and issues whatsoever! Lexus interior is exceptional. Take your turbos idgaf!

[@LCculater]

Reliability is the main topic as German cars will always make you go broke ! I’ve owned many and no more 😂, bought a beautiful 2022 LC 500 and absolutely love it ! Lexus cars have souls hands down !

[@allwheeldrive]

Flawed. transparent basis for this "story". It's neither old school (because of no turbo?!), nor short on muscle. Yes, the M5 and RS6 are quicker, but most humans simply can't use all that power. Does - or *can* - anyone use all of that on the street? Frankly, most people who can afford these cars (and those who can't) don't have anywhere near the abilities to exploit all the available performance, let alone have the place to do it.You can really get in trouble with a lot less HP than even this poor, hamstrung rig. Enough of the "old-fashioned" talk. Given all that, Suttcliffe seems to only reluctantly come to the right conclusion: Lexus built a performance sedan for real people (if they can get past the grill!). Having the opportunity to drive one of these every day would be a gift. Note: el al is for people; etc. is for things.

[@RX-79Ez-8]

+John Wojewidka underrated post

[@mikeshane-m1z]

i've got a '16 model , and use my other lexus a gs460 for my daily .. but more and more am using my gs-f daily .. so easy to drive and the more you drive it , the more it fits you like a good glove .. [ i use all the power , am in NZ and still get on the back roads and thrash it ] love it on the windy roads , handles so nice .. '16 s some say are a bit hard riding cause only has 1 suspention setting [ '17 on can change ride comfort ] ..

[@azhariqbal1212]

Thank you a very nice review and a beautiful looking Lexus.

[@markstevenfall]

What a great, well balanced review - thank you! 🙂👍

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

absolutely gorgeous. I love lexus

[@sharkeisha2225]

Lexus IS boring They make it stand out doing so made it so beautiful and unique From the mercs bmws and audis that nearly all look the same And now everyone's going crazy about the change like wtf do you want from them

[@Habitashi]

+moesha pempengco I couldn't agree more!

[@arabiggy12345]

you go girl i agree aswell

[@AbzAden]

“No place in modern era...” but not everyone wants a vacuum sounding engine

[@Jia1337]

It is a matter of time when they pump out the next generation IS-F.

[@brianttt]

Let's not compare Lexus with M3 or M5. Though M class is very comparable speed wise, look at the value after 10,000 miles. Not to mention BMW's high maintenance issues.

[@jhaller90]

I will going to miss this Naturally-Aspirated Engines ;_; rooting for mazda's skyactiv engine srsly.............. 2.0 liter 4 cylinder with 14:1 /13.1:1compression ratio and a power figure of 165hp with 280Nm not bad will wait for the 2nd gen skyactiv engines 18:1 compression ratio and Diesel-like lean combustion (Homogenous charge Compression Ignition) i just hope they save the Naturally aspirated engines it would be a bummer if Naturally aspirated would be gone

[@v_alexiadis]

This would be a good badie's car in a film

[@snowcountry322]

the headlights looks a bit odd....

[@StarryTemplar]

Lexus should bring this car back 2024 with all Auto Lane keep safety features and new infotainment system, this car would still ALIVE, need no IS 500... IS 500 is lame :(

[@truonghthe]

I love my dinosaurs, in the same color as well. Matador red is on fires.

[@BronchoGillespie]

New shirt Steve?

[@michaelcrockette8694]

I LOVE dinosaurs. I’ll take mine in that same red.

[@Vizenz121_OR]

The Lexus doesn't really compete with Merc or BMW I don't think. People who are going to look at the Lexus know exactly what they want no matter what. The cost to buy and own across the board are cheaper on the Lexus. The Merc is an occasion car. They're totally different cars. The only thing the three have in common is that they're all very well made and reliable. That's it.

[@sean70729]

this cars styling makes promises its engine can't deliver on and there is that monstrous cts-v

[@bradcarver6208]

I bet it lasts longer than the M5...

[@Accordslider]

Well done Lexus

[@WEIMYBIMMER]

Needs a supercharger!!

[@Cuseball121]

Hell of an engine, almost 100 hp/litre is quite impressive for a cross plane. Still not a fan of Lexus' design language though.

[@SIMcityplayer2002]

So it rivals the 550i and S6 rather than M5 and RS6.

[@alexdacruz10]

I really like Lexus F cars but when I think about Lexus immediatly comes to my mind hybrid technology, efficiency.. and I don't understand why they don't apply all that knowledge in their sports cars. It is a bit of a contradiction that they don't follow their own philosophy in this niche. I am pretty sure that they would be able to create amazing hi-tech sports cars and sell much more cars!

[@miskatonic6210]

No they won't, because it will still be a Lexus.

[@Habitashi]

+Sirion LFA?

[@alexdacruz10]

Habitashi That was exactly my point :)

[@Habitashi]

alexdacruz10 I agree man, maybe they are planning for something.. we don't know yet.

[@jimm7541]

though it is great that they went NA they should have made it so that the GSF made more power tgan the RCF

[@kaiwenli3432]

DAMN IT STEVEN Why are you jumping around so hard to find you

[@maxpowers3732]

I'd take one with a manual

[@cs4939]

I think this looks much better than rcf.

[@rossgoodwin2700]

Absolutely love Lexus! The GSF really is - all the car you ever need, plus its reliable....🍑

[@TheSuperMotoHooligan]

G to the S with an F...

[@Trussme96]

If I wanted to go fast and get a lease, I'd take the M5 or the RS6. If I wanted nice car for the long term, I'd take the Lexus and modify it after the warranty was up.

[@hawkesworth1712]

Maybe it might be a good idea to get someone to review cars who can go around a simple bend on a public road without crossing the centre line. I'm guessing that this car has Lane Assist and I'm also betting he's turned it off because it's annoys him. It was invented for people like him.

[@ingineous]

i wish it had a manual option....omg....then it would be even more awesome.

[@ngb802]

They should have put in that Toyota 5.7 liter from the tundra

[@MrYuenH]

so basically, a japanese "american v8 muscle car"

[@bigjdm5460]

No it's a V8 luxury sport sedan.

[@ryoaiba]

I would say more likely,,,,,Japanese reliable Maserati Quattroporte! and cheaper! Cos the sound joy car!I don't feel from this car like M5 or E63 issue beast car,,,,. It's more laxually and powerful enough to enjoy like Maseratti!Or,,,,,good Competition to previouse M5 with V10( similer power and Torque) plus sound of the car!I know it's an old fashion! But I would say Toyota/Yamaha did good job to make this engine and exhaust system with bringing not too bad MPG for 2016 standard,,,. Since LFA,,,,Yamaha Music department helps for creating exhaust system who also love cars,,,. And this GSF once had an idea to put V10 engine,,,,so that even V8 on high rev,,,it sounds slightly similer to LFA sound as well.

[@dreray4077]

For the same price, You can get the new CTS-V. Roomier, More comfortable, More room, Easier to maintain, Sounds better, More power and torque, Funner to drive, And lets be honest better to look at inside and out. The Lexus has it beat in Mpg and Reliability, As which i does 99% of the time to any car. Other then one that simply liked the car better i cant see whay they would take this over that, Theres also the ATS-V which is honestly more of a rival given power stats, The M5 is a bit more expensive, Same with a Panamera GTS, Theres the S6 to consider too, The Maser Ghibli SQ4 and Chevy SS you could also throw in there if you wanted too.

[@SL-eo5pz]

Domestic American cars suck

[@rockolutheran]

why does anyone give a shit about if it can compete with an m5 goddamn

[@Shift4g]

Because the M5 is the reason it, and everything else in the segment exists.

[@chrissorreda4982]

Give this a better gearbox and I'm sold on it's offer. An old school car, with modern amenities. I don't thank that's a bad thing.

[@Toyota4Life]

Better gear box? He never complained about the gear box it's a great and fast gearbox .

[@sliwka621]

What's wrong with the gearbox? He said that it feels like a DCT. On top it being a true auto it's probably smoother.

[@HG504X]

They should've given this car at least 500hp and slightly more torque then it would be completely worth it over an M3 or M5

[@Mikelaren101]

It would probably last longer than the M5

[@pussydestroyer4635]

Lexus is the most reliable car company in the world right now. (Toyota)

[@oooosq]

STEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@AJpro88]

almost sounds like a 991 gt3!! anyone agree?

[@AndyMartin92]

gsf over rcf anyday.