New LG 435W Neon R Revealed

[@CNile-se9xw]

G'day from Australia I love your vids, they're always informative & chocker block with the latest innovations. We invested in Solar when Q-Cell panels maxed out at 245W, so it was a long time ago & we've enjoyed the reduced electricity bills ever since. People often dwell on the total payback time, but I don't see it as an issue, especially since the government's sell-off of our essential service electricity supply, to the lie of promised cheaper rates for consumers. Stay safe & may we all enjoy a cleaner world. 👍

[@vinjkdiesel3122]

I have (2) of the Neon 2 panels & they give me over 100% of the rated power. These should be insanely powerful.

[@bootangy]

which inverter?

[@richh9904]

OSHA. Three point contact at all times when climbing a ladder. Rope up the materials like a safe contractor does.

[@user-dr2pg8fk2i]

Lol, maybe 1 in 100 solar installers uses a lift.

[@pkdog5236]

LG didn’t increase the energy density. LG simply made the silicon wafers larger. LG 435 watt panels measure 1910x 1042 mm. SunPower A series modules measure 1835x1016. A few inches is often the difference between adding an additional row of panels and maintaining setbacks on a roof, especially irregular shaped roofs.

[@user9b2]

Where did he say increase the energy density?

[@epfd217]

The inverse argument is also true. WHy not have a panel with more cells when you can use them? Better than wasting 6, 12, 18" on a roof when you can utilize a panel that is slightly larger. The market will decide if it is useful or not. If no one buys them, then they will stop making them.

[@richardprice5978]

but some of use live in slab side/ranch roof 🏡 that can fit commercial sized panels the question then becomes is it smarter to use them for a better ROI ?

[@pkdog5236]

@@richardprice5978 as of last week LG no longer is in the solar business. LG has ceased all solar panel production worldwide.

[@richardprice5978]

@@pkdog5236 head scratching emoji for LG news . um my question about the bigger panels is still valid, and i don't know the answer or where or how ect ask so i posted it here, and it seamed that lg was going for the bigger commercial or prosumer frame sizing but you are say they quit. confusion to me as to why as i felt as a bigger branding had a good chance of cornering most of the market ect.

[@phitrow]

On the manufacturer's website, only in one place it is indicated that these panels are 6% more efficient than conventional panels. But at the same time, the figure of this efficiency is not written anywhere. Among all the required parameters, the percentage of efficiency is always indicated, and nothing is written about efficiency for this panel.

[@SolarSurge]

LG actually is not more efficient vs. SunPower if you consider that LG's solar cells are physically larger than SunPower.

[@RustyShackelford_]

Already ordered these. Should be here in a month!

[@bootangy]

what battery you running them with?

[@RustyShackelford_]

@@bootangy No house batteries for me. Not a fan. I'm more interested in portable units like the EcoFlow Delta or even the F-150 Lightning

[@keyboardfarmer6225]

Sunpower may publish a great warranty BUT they are unable to deliver warranty service. I have a 10 year old 7200w Sunpower system, panels and inverter. I was an early adopter, paying over $50,000 for my system. I have been waiting over 1 month for service and I’m told it will be another month before someone can come out to look at my system. Very frustrating to have my system not producing during peak summer months and Sunpowers response is “Oh well, we will be there when we can.”

[@SolarSurge]

Wow. I'm sorry to hear that had such an experience.

[@kingcreo08]

What happened to your system?

[@waynedouglas1010]

I'm waiting for smaller panels and more watts. It doesn't matter the panel surface area if each cell gives the same 3.5 watts? You would think technology can increase the wattage per square inch

[@lunatik9696]

Yes, with more exotic materials like gallium arsenide. The silicon limit is in the

[@MentaL65535]

Can you please mention metrics like Price/Watt and Watts/square meter, or Watts/square feet for your American viewers, as these metrics truly show the difference between panels, even from the same manufacturer. This way we can objectively know if a panel is truly more efficient/surface used than it's previous generation, or competitors. Simply making a panel larger and fitting an extra row of cells does not make it more efficient, as the cells are the same. Technically you could get a bit more efficient with a larger panel through a lesser conductor loss, but an extra row of cells should offer marginal improvement (way under 1%).

[@stevencaskey7473]

Where the hell do you get these. Don't want to but 10 or more of them.

[@freetrailer4poor]

20.3 watts/per square foot. The E20 sunpower a few years ago was 18.6. But there is one from China 20.7 and they list 20c a watt. I think 21.5% panel efficiency, amounts to 20 watts/square foot. Anything over 20 is rare, so it probably is close to true. New Sunpower are about 19.7, but need to check that.

[@ssoffshore5111]

@@freetrailer4poor What's the best deal out there for DIY?

[@johnsmith-bo2cz]

I got 16 395 watt neon2 LG panels at a great price and good panels are worth it. I have some other cheaper ones. But the LG are way better watt for watt on output.

[@bootangy]

does it cover most of your electric bill?

[@johnsmith-bo2cz]

They are definitely more efficient. My LG neon 2 panels are 72 cell. 80x40 inches. These are 66 cell panels.

[@xeropros]

What Enphase inverter do you recommend for this panel? Plus or A?

[@AtTheBarn]

This was my first time to see a solar surge video. This was really an empty commercial for LG. The video makes it sounds like they have a good product but there is now real info included. One person in the comments ask for price per watt. Side by side warranty comparison would be good. I think you meant the warranty guaranteed an output of 92% of the original amount on the design label not a solar panel that was 92% efficient after 25 years!!! IF solar panel efficiency is at 92% we could all leave the grid!!!

[@cpuchip]

Its rated to produce 92.5% of the 435w power after 25 years, or 402w. Which is actually pretty good in the industry. Since e-waste from early gen solar panels is becoming a big problem.

[@bootangy]

how many panels to go offgridish?

[@cpuchip]

@@bootangy it so much depends on what you want to do/power Will Prowse has some excellent videos on the subject: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2m1Z4ebidCVa80

[@bootangy]

@@cpuchip ty

[@korlimservices4180]

@@bootangy it depends on ur budget !!

[@andreaspopp623]

Hi, when are you going to review the MEYER BURGER panels from Germany,? They are also available in the US. Thanks and greetings, Andreas

[@SolarSurge]

Hi Andras and thanks for writing in. I have not seen the MEYER BURGER panels here in distribution yet. Do you know who is selling them?

[@donjohnston3776]

I tuned-out when you spoke about the size being related to what an installer can carry on a ladder

[@bonsaibrian]

Well you shouldn't have. You need to know this. Care about installers bro. They work hard

[@FedericoGalimbertiApparel]

Great video! Thanks for the good research

[@rachelordia924]

Can you make the spec sheet larger or include a link?

[@SolarSurge]

Yes, this link to the manufacturer's site is in the description below...

[@KD0CAC]

No pricing on any link , I do include ask for price . Google shows about $518 = $1.19 per watt , I can find panels for as low as $0.29 per watt , and all day long for $0.69 per watt . So the real efficiency is the cost per watt . At least there is , Google search again , made in US and South Korea .

[@junkvista61]

Please give the link to $0.29 or $0.69 per watt. Thanks

[@calcopy2985]

If you had to choose between this and REC 400w alpha bk or Panasonic Evervolt 360bk, which you choose?

[@SolarSurge]

Good questions. For me, I would choose the REC.

[@richardprice5978]

what if the roof is flat/no extra valley's and >20ft up aka single story building and a new system aka no home 🏡 solar system yet or vs adding/changing a older system and is about the same if not on paper easier to install the bigger physical sized commercial panels does the ROI make more sense to use those or residential sized panels? but more of them and more racking ect. to = 15wk to 20 kw? dc setup or ac coupled make a difference in a system project prices/preference? used panels vs new both for res and comm ROI

[@JerryRigEverything]

Cool video

[@korisselys8568]

Wait wtf are you doing here? lol

[@JerryRigEverything]

@@korisselys8568 learning.

[@sikitraki1790]

@@JerryRigEverything you inspire me!

[@cchandonait]

Hi, your Facebook link here and on your website is dead. I really enjoyed this video. Thank you

[@SolarSurge]

We are taking down the Facebook page. Solar Surge is a KZbin channel, first and foremost. Please use the website www.solarsurge.net/

[@arthurgrueneberger7625]

How will LG Solar Panel prices change by their manufacturing of solar panel in Huntsville, AL, USA

[@SolarSurge]

Hi Arthur. I think the US manufacturing is one of the reasons we are seeing the LG prices come down. It's one of the best values out there now, especially for those who want a premium warranty.

[@arthurgrueneberger7625]

@@SolarSurge Thank you.

[@joemartino6976]

Thanks Joe.

[@bootangy]

whats the best battery to go with lg panels?

[@SolarSurge]

That depends on what loads your are trying to backup. In general Tesla Powerwall will cover most home critical systems. Generac PWRCell batteries are better for larger backup loads link central A/C. Please reach out via the website and we can book a virtual call to discuss options.

[@raymondbracamontesd.c.3776]

It looks like LG has a 25 year warranty across the board (product and performance) while Qcell only has a 12 year product warranty and a 25 year warranty on performance. Can you list the price point per watt and any additional benefits you get with the new LG vs the new Qcells? My best, Ray

[@SolarSurge]

Hi Ray. I think you hit the main advantage of LG. The LG warranty is hands-down the best. LG also offers a lower degradation rate so the performance at end-of-life is superior. The cost for LG is about $0.35/W higher than Qcells.

[@sean3118]

thanks

[@RayonWhittaker]

Kinda off topic but I'm covering a carport with solar panels and need to make them water sealed. Where can I find silicone/epdm rubber T seal for the gaps between the solar panels (gap =16.5mm)

[@SolarSurge]

I’m sorry I wish I could help. I have not done an installation like that before.

[@RayonWhittaker]

@@SolarSurge OK thank you very much

[@calculon0576]

Are these “R Prime”? My understanding was the “R” is black frame, silver back sheet, with “R Prime” being full black on black?

[@SolarSurge]

The 435W are the "R" with black frame, white back sheet. The "R Prime" goes up to 420W at present.

[@SGS2sprint]

Important question here, can someone share to all of us the solar markets` normal practice in real finance interest + loan price = in % vs cash price? thanks

[@kbob8424]

No thats an industry secret used to overprice and oversell customers.

[@absolutejason]

It is only an industry secret for unethical salesmen who have watched Wolf of Wall St. too many times. It is a great question and easy to answer. Almost 100% of the finance companies promise great interest rate .99, 1.99, 2.99% but they bundle in high service charges into the loan which the solar companies pass on to the homeowner driving the price higher. Cash prices can be much less expensive depending on which company you are dealing with. because there are no loan fees. That is why sometimes pulling a home equity line of credit for existing home owners is a great choice or even bundling in solar to a new home purchase with the Fannie clean energy product is a goo idea. Stay far away from any solar consultant who would not carefully explain this to you. I know as a fact Joe breaks theses differences down for all of his clients.

[@kbob8424]

@@absolutejason - you are correct, unfortunately most are "wolf like salespeople". To go a step further, these high service charges are paid from commissions. To combat this, reps boost the price to cover these. Cash deals can be lower because they reduce the total by the "service fees".

[@mattbrew11]

@@kbob8424 no they aren’t paid from commisions unless you work for one of those terrible companies like Powur, Momentum, Tesla or Freedom Forever

[@kbob8424]

@@mattbrew11 - well you are smarter than me. Depends how one looks at it. All I'm saying is this. Say you sell a system at $30k. You're red line is $20k. Congrats you made $10. Oh wait there are dealer fees and "freebies" to pay. That totals $6k. You walk away with $4k. You thought you made $10k but $6k was taken away. There may be other ways to calculate it just pointing out the one they teach most reps.

[@maikydb]

THEY ARE BIGGER! If you want to review solar panels fair look at the amount of WP per square meter.

[@SolarSurge]

Good feedback. LG made their 66-cell panel larger so that is a bit deceptive in terms of actual cell efficiency.

[@Jeff99]

I understand SunPower has 400 and 420 watt panels that I assume are the traditional size, also with a 25-year warranty and 92.x% performance or more after 25 years. That's not much different from LG, no?

[@SolarSurge]

Yes, they are very similar products. SunPower's 420W panel and LG's new 435W panel are close competitors in all areas, except for price.

[@tomw5vlt119]

Made contact, have not heard back for appt. You not service San Antonio area?

[@SolarSurge]

Hi Tom. Yes, we serve all of Texas. Please use the following link to book an appointment: calendly.com/solar-surge-sales-team/solar-consultation

[@goldenages7089]

Performance warranty looks good. What is the product warranty? How does it compare to Sunpower's 25 year parts and labour warranty?

[@kbob8424]

LG has always had the same 25yr warranty as well.

[@SolarSurge]

LG has 25 years across the board: product, performance, labor. In practice, the labor warranty comes form your local installer. Picking the right installation company is more important than the panel manufacturer's warranty IMHO.

[@kbob8424]

@@SolarSurge - LG assured us that even if the company that sold their panels disappears, they will find a local company to do the warranty. Finding a good reputable installer is important, but I wouldn't hold back my solar decision because they might have s couple of bad reviews. Many times it has to do with waiting on inspections and utility companies and we bear the brunt of it.

[@goldenages7089]

@@SolarSurge Wow thats a great warranty appreciate the info

[@gianfree80]

I think sunpower is still on top, especially because they offer the panel with micro inverter already in it, and we all know the importance of that. Moreover they are smaller. The only good point for LG is the cheapest price, nothing else

[@SolarSurge]

The cheapest price and you can use the solar panel with any other inverter or battery on the market. You are not limited to SunPower equipment only.

[@gianfree80]

@@SolarSurge no, but you need to buy as many inverter as the number of panels you are going to use, at the end will be not that much cheaper. Moreover at the moment, we are sure sunpower has that performances, for LG was just an own announcement, so need time to be sure that's true. I'm not a sunpower fanboy, but at the moment, LG still need to proof their statements

[@peterxyz3541]

How much?

[@davidstrong7854]

we need smaller more dense, instead of bigger same dense, or slightly more dense.

[@AnalystPrime]

Those exist, but prices per watt are so high there is no point unless you are making a satellite and instead of panel area you are looking at transport cost of thousands of dollars per pound. Concentrated solar is another option, instead of 1000 m2 of expensive panels you only need 10 m2 of more expensive panels and 1000 m2 of mirrors. Oh, and the motorized frames to move the mirrors so they reflect light to the panels. And a location with no clouds or shade because unlike PV panels which can work with indirect light, mirrors always need direct light. And a cooling system because the concentrated light heats up the panels which lowers their efficiency... Really, CSP is still way too expensive to be worth it when land in places like Nevada is so cheap that compared to the price of a million solar panels and all the work of building the solar farm the price of couple square miles of land amounts to a rounding error.

[@bonsaibrian]

I really like this channel, but this LG panel is only 21.9 % efficient. Sunpower had that like 5-6 years ago...so LG is about 6 years behind SUNPOWER. SUNPOWER'S 370 is 22.7 efficient. SUNPOWER'S 420 is also more efficient at about 22.6 %

[@SolarSurge]

Good point about the cell efficiency. LG was able to achieve the higher power rating by using slightly larger cells.

[@user-dr2pg8fk2i]

When will these be available?

[@SolarSurge]

We have these ready for installation now in AZ, CA, FL, NV, TX, and UT.

[@atldale]

hope their solar panels are better than their fridges.

[@coalheatman]

Hello, what is the price point?

[@SolarSurge]

About $0.85/Watt when you purchase in bulk wholesale.

[@dbrophy]

Sorry but you're talking nonsense, the Sunpower panels are higher efficiency: Sunpower MAX3-400 400W, 1.690x1.046 = 226 W/m2 LG Neon R 435W, 1.91 x 1.042 = 218 W/m2

[@SaenAcro]

SUNWAY SW580M-144 2256*1132 = 550 wp = 216 W/m2 small number of panels ease to mount easy cabling

[@spaRTan3246]

Still inferior to the Maxeon 3 by quite some margin… 🙄

[@nealgrant7727]

Yep

[@996driver1]

are they inverter limited though?

[@SolarSurge]

The panels themselves are not limited. However, in many cases, you will pair this panel with an Enphase IQ7A micro-inverter limited to 366W AC output.

[@996driver1]

@@SolarSurge So no matter what the power generation capacity of the panel, the limiting factor right now is always the inversion capacity - TY

[@SolarSurge]

@@денисбаженов-щ1б The installation company should do that work that way everything stays protected under the 25-year warranty.

[@SolarSurge]

@@996driver1 Correct. The usable AC power of the system will be limited by the inverter or micro-inverters.

[@996driver1]

@@SolarSurge TY Sir!

[@scanadaze]

Im looking into them. Yet the problem is the batteries are hooked up wrong. Three different ways. They third way or making an battery bank into an single battery is the best. Here in the next two days. There is another 4th way. Yet I have not tested it yet. Batteries are coming in. An two battery system. I learned it on my own. I have two systems running on the 3rd way or all batteries are one. 1 system is mixed sizes and types. Sorry, none of the lithium type batteries are used by me. Reason being is. For the instability of them and then using them as such. I am a scared on using them in the configuration. Yet a little curious on how they would perform. Also in the configuration is am using on how to wire them into an single battery. I can train them to hold more voltage. Not trying to brag. When something works, it works. Nice panels. I like them.

[@GeraldPUR]

Like but it's $518 per panel. Like the max system voltage of 1000 volts DC. It's an odd 66 cell count. Module efficiency is 21.9 for the 435 one and 22.1 for the 440 watt one.

[@SolarSurge]

The LG cells are slightly larger surface area than SunPower that's why the lower module efficiency.

[@GeraldPUR]

@@SolarSurge Yes, the only complain I have is the price per panel. Cheapest I found was $430 especially if compared to the Q cell 430 watt panel at $238.22 (at altestore). I guess it (LG) makes 100% of the advertise wattage like the sunpower does.

[@MGiosparky]

I would NEVER let me installers get panels onto a roof in that manner. That's incredibly unsafe.

[@Brandon_Nelson92]

I work commercial construction as a licensed electrician. You'd be surprised with the kinds of "unsafe" things we do on a regular basis. I've hauled stuff up 20'+ ladders plenty of times with one hand. I've also climbed steel towers over 100' tall.. You just gotta know what you're doing, use the appropriate safety gear and don't get too complacent.

[@MGiosparky]

@@Brandon_Nelson92 I'm a Union electrician of over 25 years, a licensed Master Electrician and a business owner. There is ALWAYS a way to do a job safely. You going home to your loved ones at the end of the day the same way you came to work is way more important than a contractor saving a couple bucks by having workers do tasks unsafely. If a contractor is having your work unsafely, then there aren't worth working for.

[@bonsaibrian]

Actually, that's the way it's done. Everywhere. Do you install solar?

[@MGiosparky]

@@bonsaibrian Yes. Yes I do. I would not comment on a subject that I didn't have knowledge of, otherwise. I have NEVER once moved a panel from the ground to the roof in this unsafe manner.

[@Brandon_Nelson92]

@@MGiosparky I may have come off a bit strong in my 1st comment. I take safety seriously. When I climbed towers, I always wore the proper harness with 2 lanyards to stay clipped onto the tower with at least one lanyard 100% of the time. On the other hand, have you never carried a power tool or piece of conduit up an extension ladder? I avoid it when possible, but sometimes it can't be avoided. IBEW Local 291 member here, btw. Edit: If I had to haul solar panels onto a roof, I would use rope or ideally, a forklift, to lift them up, rather than carry them up the ladder.

[@Chainyanker007]

The bottom line is $$/watt installed. Other factors is inverters and possibly battery if you want storage, warranties generally go 20yrs but mom & pop or even big outfits may not be around in 20 yrs, then what? Some have bonds but who knows what hassles that may bring in 20 yrs if you are still around.

[@SolarSurge]

All valid points. My advice is to choose an installer that's been in business 20+ years with a track record of good warranty service.

[@johnjackson4338]

@@SolarSurge Good luck finding a dealer in the Dallas area that has been in business 20+ years. I've found 1... Yes, 1... The majority of the solar contractors in the area seem to have been in business 5 years or less and of those many have questionable BBB reviews/ratings.

[@SolarSurge]

@@johnjackson4338 Our partner in Dallas has 30+ years in business with A+ BBB rating. Please schedule a call and we can help you out.

[@DarkOkie]

Noted they avoid saying the words TESLA .... when listing good panels!

[@AnalystPrime]

A lot of people are going to think these panels use some more efficient tech instead of just being bigger... While it can be very useful to have many size options for those cases when the roof only has room for 2.9 x 5.5 standard panels, there needs to be some easy way to know what size each model is or many errors will be made. In a world full of idiots one of the stupidest things I have ever seen still remains some guy on Quora saying "I don't see any point in standardization".

[@kingcreo08]

Also how is LGs warranty better than Sunpower when Lg only manufactures panels and no other part of the system. Sunpower claims to have the better warranty because they’re the only company who manufactures EVERY aspect of the system. This video isn’t an honest comparison just seems like sales pitch.

[@pkdog5236]

Absolutely untrue that SunPower is not compatible with battery systems other than SunVault. SunPower equinox like any microinverter based system is compatible with any battery storage that an LG microinverter system is compatible. You said something untrue and you should know better

[@SolarSurge]

My understanding is that AC-coupled batteries only work. Like Tesla Powerwall II. But not Generac PWRCell or LG Resu16 prime. I don't even think the Enphase battery is compatible.

[@mattbrew11]

Paul works for sunpower disregard his comment

[@pkdog5236]

@@SolarSurge Yes, AC coupled batteries are best paired with microinverter system. SunPower Equinox would feed energy thru an inverter just like an LG system using Enphase microinverters to an AC coupled battery. Monitoring software should give compatibility since Enphase builds IQ7XS and SPWR A4 microinverters. Both run at 349W continuous and 366 watts peak