NEW LONDON BUS TENDERS For The 44, 61, 77, 261, 308, 403, 488 & N44 EXPLAINED (TfL Bus Changes)

[@MostlyBuses1]

And if you haven't heard already, First is returning to London

[@cooldude12-q9b]

They need to get all ex-TT routes plus the routes they had before they left

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@cooldude12-q9b yeah they'll soon be back at X which is nice. It'll be strange seeing them on my old London United locals though

[@AB23162]

It be crazy

[@MostlyBuses1]

@AB23162 yeah especially on the London United and London Sovereign routes

[@neens732]

Since when

[@LJ07EBP]

Can't wait to see new buses on some of these routes. Respect to u for keeping everyone updated on this as not much is provided in this community on info

[@MostlyBuses1]

Thanks! I won't be looking forward to the new buses on the 61 and 261 though, I was hoping they would retain the 261 with its MMCs and put some other hybrids on the 61

[@LJ07EBP]

@MostlyBuses1 hmm okay and you are welcome

[@AsylumicLincoln]

Thanks for covering the TB changes. I am excited to see what would be ordered for the 61 and the 261. It’s great both routes are having a PVR increase. The routes are fairly busy nowadays as well, so it is a welcome addition to these routes.

[@MostlyBuses1]

Someone else mentioned the new E400 EVs as a possibility which I think would make sense given that TB are getting some for the SL3. And it's great to see the 61, 261 and other routes in this video getting pvr increases. I think the 61 should get a frequency increase too though

[@nathanw9770]

I'm glad both routes are getting a PVR increase and new buses too. 61 users will be happy because they've been putting up with old E400's and sometimes even E200's for ages. I wonder what will happen to the E400's after the electrics arrive. I hope they keep a few for the 246.

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@nathanw9770 I'd say the E400's seats are more comfortable than the high spec Stagecoach ones but everything else will be an improvement for passengers. The 61 got a frequency reduction from every 15 to 20 so I would like to see it go back to every 15

[@zfs.59]

The only fleet that the 61 had that was actually good was the 56 reg E400s, they were comfortable and I loved seeing them on the 208 and 269 tbh

[@nathanw9770]

​@@MostlyBuses1 I'm fairly tall and wide so I do sort of prefer the high back seats on their new buses, just wish they had the same padding as their diesels and hybrids. Oh that's a shame I'm not sure why the 61 got such a big frequency reduction but I'm glad the 261 got an freq increase instead.

[@MostlyBuses1]

0:00 Explanation 0:53 Route 44 contract details 1:33 44 route details 2:07 Route N44 3:02 Route 61 contract details 3:41 61 route details 4:13 Route 77 contract details 4:50 77 route details 5:33 Route 77 was recently changed 5:49 Route 261 contract details 6:38 261 route details 7:09 Route 308 contract details 7:49 308 route details 8:35 Route 403 contract details 9:20 403 route details 9:50 Route 488 contract details 10:39 488 route details 11:10 Thanks for watching

[@AG_Buses]

Great observations bro!👌 At least my local 488 its kepping its diesels!🙏

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@AG_Buses Thanks! And yeah I was worried when they announced it was getting thrown back by Stagecoach but I'm glad it's keeping them as well

[@JAmoahGranite58]

@@MostlyBuses1 Of course, but the reality is TT companies that aren't profitable and to continue to make SLN argue for WH closing down those bases. 241, 330 and 474 may be a nonsensical effect to certain procedures play a pivotal role awaits this May 2025 contract.

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@JAmoahGranite58 yeah I'll be very interested to see what happens with those. I think GAL might get them

[@nathanw9770]

Since the new bus type hasn't been announced for the 61 and 261 it would make sense for them to order the new E400EV like they did for the SL3. It seems like TB are looking to replace their entire fleet of diesels since the 314 and B14 are also going electric next year. In addition the 336's hail & ride's are being replaced with bus stops.

[@MostlyBuses1]

Yeah it would make sense and hopefully more orders for the new E400 EV get placed, I wasn't expecting the BD11 to be more popular than it. While I was in Bromley North waiting for the 261 in the video I made sure to film a 336 too, just in case I want to make a video on all the smaller bus changes I haven't covered at the end of the year.

[@nathanw9770]

​@@MostlyBuses1 I hope so too. Seems like stagecoach are more fond of the new E400EV's and Electroliners rather than the BD11's and vice versa for GAL. Yes that's a good idea, I'm glad the 336 change is happening because I used to take that bus to school sometimes and on the H&R section it would stop every 2 secs on Brookehowse Road and it was difficult to hail the bus due to the parked cars on the pavement.

[@cooldude12-q9b]

Most routes stayed unchanged it seems

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@cooldude12-q9b yeah the only change to most routes were PVR increases which is great although it's sad to see the 261 and 61 get electrics. I was hoping the 61 would get Stagecoach or GAL EvoSetis which I knew was extremely unlikely but oh well

[@cooldude12-q9b]

​@@MostlyBuses1 also it's sad that 403 is losing the E400s and ex-FLN B9TLs At least 308 and 488 are keeping their Tower Transit vehicles

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@cooldude12-q9b yeah the 403 was inevitable but I'm surprised that the 308 is just a 3 year and that they decided to keep the 488's E200s.

[@zfs.59]

Yeah MB could’ve gained the 61/261 if there was space. Say like if DT won the 233 back along with any R routes like the R2 and R11 then they could’ve then had space for at least just the 61.

[@OmarZamel-w8v]

YESSS 44 MY LOCAL IM EXCITED

[@MostlyBuses1]

You're lucky that it's keeping hybrids for 5 years imo

[@JAmoahGranite58]

@@MostlyBuses1 Subsequently WSDs never been pulled the main route, to promote fake discussions about MMCs/WHVs using 22, 88, 171, 172 and 188. Some SW will knock their maintenance facilities down to fit GAL on WSD2-23 a continuous period of 5 years under 44 to be set alight. WHV163/ EH141 have already fumbled the blindbox do not replace with the old new and existing blind partially: 77, 87, 88, 118, 155, 333, 337, 690, N11, N44, N87 or N155 along MHVs70-MHV82,MHV87-MHV90.

[@GamingBusStudios]

5:34 glitched video?

[@MostlyBuses1]

I can't see anything weird tbh

[@GamingBusStudios]

Oh, thats weird cause durig the premire, the 44 part would immediately skip to the 61..

[@everythingmymixyt]

​@@MostlyBuses1hi

[@MostlyBuses1]

@GamingBusStudios oh yeah I've seen that happen before on the 358 video and I was so annoyed before realising it wasn't in the actual video

[@GamingBusStudios]

@@MostlyBuses1 oh, thats really weird..

[@jacobmichalski5534]

what bus is that at 10:26

[@MostlyBuses1]

@jacobmichalski5534 the one in front is a Mercedes Citaro on the 108

[@athavanainkaran2499]

For the First London next year, will the seats be new or First London seats?

[@MostlyBuses1]

@athavanainkaran2499 who knows. I hope they don't refurbish all of RATP's buses though, and I love the TT interior

[@athavanainkaran2499]

@@MostlyBuses1 okay

[@MostlyBuses1]

@athavanainkaran2499 I wonder what their high spec interiors will look like

[@athavanainkaran2499]

@@MostlyBuses1 okay

[@athavanainkaran2499]

It’s shame that First London is coming back from RATP Dev.

[@ltz1437]

Also E400EVs seem to be on the 148 more frequently these days though I doubt the 148 would be converted to electric given its contract was just renewed few months back

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@ltz1437 I guess those LTs are a bit unreliable then. It's sad to see RATP having so few LT routes though

[@ltz1437]

@ yeah possibly. just the 148 and H98 right now. it feels like yesterday seeing V lose both of their LT routes within less than a year though I'm fine with AH operating the 9 and QB operating the 211. QB has the one of the most LTs amongst all garages which makes it nice to see a variety of registrations. I miss the LT6xx series though, now I only get to see them when I occasionally run errands at Hayes. I personally even foresee First potentially getting rid of the LTs to save costs as it would be expensive to operate just a handful of them, perhaps they would dispose them off for other operators to take like how Stagecoach took the LTs now used on the SL3 or more recently Metroline taking some of GoAhead's oldest LTs (ex SW and Q) displaced due to NP's loss of the 76 to convert the 17 to full LT

[@MostlyBuses1]

@ltz1437 it's such a shame that V lost so many of its LT routes but yeah it's good that older and newer LTs mix on the QB routes. I kind of wish the 267 was run from QB even though TF (and FW) are perfectly placed for it because we'd see a lot more different types of LTs on it.

[@MostlyBuses1]

@ltz1437 I highly doubt they'd get rid of the LTs. I'm pretty sure they're owned by TfL and they love to keep them running for as long as possible.

[@ltz1437]

@@MostlyBuses1 yeah I wish the 267 runs from QB too, would be nice to see the last built LTs run in central london. however I feel QB is full for now and TUK would rather use the space for other routes which led to them getting the 133, 211 and 306 to name some (yes I know the electroliners are boring but at least I enjoy 133's occasional LTs). else I wish they move the current TF LTs which are the newest 19 in TUK's fleet to QB in exchange for LT19-37 like what Arriva did for most of their oldest LTs up till LT229

[@Triko5]

I was a 261 driver from 2017 to 2022 one of the best routes but unfortunately long hours and very long shifts I decided to leave the job now I drive Class 1 lorries much better work conditions believe or not less working hours and more money + no abuse from passengers is the best part 👍👍👍

[@MostlyBuses1]

I'm sorry you had to put up with passengers like that

[@southeastlondontransport5859]

Did you make a mistake saying 3 routes will get electrics because only 61 and 261 are getting electrics

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@southeastlondontransport5859 oh yeah I did. It was because this was meant to be paired with the D8 and 46 video and the D8 is getting electrics which is why I put 3 routes instead of 2.

[@southeastlondontransport5859]

@MostlyBuses1 ohh fair enough

[@GMDpowerman11]

Gemini 2 in 2025 📉 😢

[@MostlyBuses1]

ikr. It's such a shame but at least we have Metroline who are keeping theirs until 2027 on the 28!

[@GMDpowerman11]

It really is a shame but new buses get built so someone has to make way

[@mywaterneedstowalkme]

dont forget the 297 gemini 2 allocations although i doubt they would last until 2030

[@ms_1931]

@mywaterneedstowalkme297 won’t be using G2s soon it’s due electroliners

[@MostlyBuses1]

@mywaterneedstowalkme The PV routes were meant to go electric ages ago. iirc they were announced in 2022

[@jtrack5withthe5]

1:58 that bus just run the light

[@MostlyBuses1]

He couldn't have stopped in time so I don't think that counts

[@KorayKaragul]

I would imagine if the 166 was retained by Arriva London. It would actually convert into a full double deck operation for at least 5 years until 2030 using existing double deckers from route 405 when it will be using new EV buses. That's just my prediction of the 166's contract on the 30th August 2025. if it's going to GAL Metrobus, it will be using new EV buses for 7 years or existing single decker buses for 3 years. Or if it's going to TUK, it will be using existing single decker buses for a 3 year contract. I already know that all of the bus routes that are operating from South Croydon Bus Garage will be converting into EVs. except for route 410 when it will be transferred to the garage from Thornton Heath garage.

[@MostlyBuses1]

@KorayKaragul it could also be a 7 year contract if Arriva retain it. I hope it gets DDs although I'm not sure if they're needed. Surrey County Council did publish plans to increase the 166's frequency so it's likely that the shorts to Banstead will get extended (Mon-Sat and Sunday as well)

[@MostlyBuses1]

@KorayKaragul TC still have a few school routes which aren't electric (yet)

[@KorayKaragul]

@@MostlyBuses1 Yeah I already know about your second comment. But I agree with your first comment about the route getting extended to Epsom Hospital at all times on Mon-Sat evenings and Sundays (Inc: Public Holidays) to make a proper link from Croydon to Epsom.

[@MostlyBuses1]

@KorayKaragul hopefully they will. There needs to be more cross border links and TfL hates short workings except for on the 38 and the tube ofc so I can definitely see them getting rid of the 166's short workings soon. I think that's why the tender hasn't come out with the rest of the TC routes

[@jasonbusred3297]

nice video I late

[@MostlyBuses1]

Thanks and don't worry it's fine

[@JAmoahGranite58]

FirstGroup would only have a modicum of in this HS2 junction point with other circumstance, TfL been on the firing line. New route 48 (Wembley Fulton Road - Lancaster Gate) implications are for example that X/RP/WJ via route 92 to Brent Park Tesco’s, 206 to Harlesden, 18 to Kensal Green, Harrow Road, 228 to Ladbroke Grove, 94 to Holland Park Avenue, Notting Hill Gate and Bayswater Road. RP/X/WJ 6: withdrawn between Victoria and Marble Arch. Diverted to 98 Holborn. After the former 16/N16 withdrawn 19: withdrawn between Sloane Square and Battersea Bridge. 22/N22: withdrawn between Piccadilly Circus and Oxford Circus. 26: withdrawn between Bricklayers Arms and Victoria. Diverted to 1 Bricklayers Arms. After the former 168 withdrawn 88: withdrawn between Parliament Hill Fields and Paddington. For the 30 and 205 consultation. 98/N98: withdrawn between Marble Arch and Holborn. Diverted to 6 Victoria. After the former 16/N16 withdrawn 100: withdrawn between London Wall and St Paul's. 118 - New Route - based on merging the previously former route C2 - operating from Victoria to Parliament Hill Fields. QB/HT 79: withdrawn between Alperton and Stonebridge Park Station. 83: withdrawn between Alperton Station and Alperton. 112: withdrawn between Brent Cross and North Finchley. 196: withdrawn between Brixton and Elephant & Castle. Diverted to Battersea Power Station via route 37 to Clapham Common, 137 to Battersea Park and route 156 to Battersea Park Road. 417 and P5 won't go ahead. PR2: new route running between Stonebridge Park and North Finchley via 112. 311: new route running between Gipsy Hill and London Wall via Montague Street, New Change, Ludgate Hill, Strand, Whitehall, Parliament Square, Victoria Street, Buckingham Palace Road, Pimlico Road, Lower Sloane Street, King's Road and Beaufort Street. 19 is a long route. SW/QB 387: new route running between Oldfield Circus and Stonebridge Park via Currey Road, Oldfield Lane North, Greenford Station, Greenford Roundabout, Western Avenue, South Greenford Station, Teignmouth Gardens, route 297 to Alperton Station, 224 to Beresford Avenue and 79 to Stonebridge Park. To link North Greenford with Perivale. RP/WJ/PV/ON 392: new route running between Gipsy Hill and Elephant & Castle via Newington Butts, Kennington Lane, Durham Street, Harleyford Road, Wandsworth Road, Lansdowne Way, South Lambeth Road, Stockwell Road, Brixton Road, Effra Road, Dulwich Road, Norwood Road, Lancaster Avenue, Thurlow Park Road, Rosendale Road, Park Hall Road and 3 South Croxted Road. SW/QB/WL/N

[@HampshireTransport007]

This proposal if it happened would take ages to make. And routes like 48, 118 and 387 can’t come back to TFL because once they are withdrawn they can’t make another one which can ruin TFL a bit much.

[@JAmoahGranite58]

@HampshireTransport007 There are available for unserved TFL or it's a long distance route. 10, 48, 82, 84, 118, 168, 271, 305, 311, 334, 338, 342, 348, 351, 361, 369, 373, 374, 387, 391, 392, 400, 402, 408, 414, 416, 421, 426, 429, 431, 435, 437, 438, 441, 442, 443, 445, 446, 447, 448, 449, 451, 454, 455, 458, 459, 471, 475, 478, 479, 480, 489 494, 495, 497 and 500.

[@ltz1437]

@@JAmoahGranite58 oh yeah over past week half of buses on the 19 were curtailed at Sloane Square

[@ltz1437]

@HampshireTransport007 even if it goes ahead it's an entirely new 48. just that the number is recycled

[@ltz1437]

@@JAmoahGranite58 over the past week half of buses running on the 19 were curtailed to sloane square, wonder if that's a sign these changes would really be proposed