New M18 chainsaw pulling a 24 inch bar - skip tooth vs full comp w 8ah & 12ah Forge - 2827-22

[@TheFanatic340]

this is why i keep coming back to this channel. awesome no bs tests. love the videos, definitely excited to see how much you push this thing

[@reusefull]

@@TheFanatic340 Thanks! I think this thing will pull a 28" bar... I'll probably work on that next.

[@davehimlin]

Ty for all your tests/videos. Nobody else is doing this like you do. It certainly looks like millwauke did a great job on the internal gearing to create the best battery saw with most torque. Unfoirtunately the $800+ price tag ensures that most middle class consumers will choose the $200-$400 battery saws which will work fine for their needs.

[@TheFanatic340]

just wait till Milwaukee releases the tool only version for likely 499

[@davehimlin]

@@TheFanatic340 but then how much is each 12 AH battery pack ?

[@JamesCusano]

To be fair, Milwaukee tends to position itself first-and-foremost at the pro-grade end of the spectrum, usually only releasing non-pro/non-FUEL mid-grade versions of their tools later (if ever.) They will sell the heck out of this saw to pros and performance-minded customers, as they intended.

[@AlwayzPr0]

Great testing, love to see the saw put through the paces.

[@reusefull]

@@AlwayzPr0 Thank you!

[@Lucas12v]

Good video. Looks like a well designed saw but I'm going to stick with gas for everything bigger than yard work for the foreseeable future. I don't want to worry about cold weather performance, getting wet, overheating ect. Besides, battery can't replace my big saws yet anyway. I do like my little milwaukee hatchet for the occasional odd job though.

[@JamesCusano]

Haven't had any issues in cold or rain with my 16" Milwaukee or my M12 Hatchet, which I've been using pretty steadily for at least a few years now. I wish I had the M18 Hatchet they came out with after the M12 - it's such a handy tool for limbing, my M12 just needs a tiny bit more oomph! I only overheat the High Output batteries (never the saws) when trying to push them through way more tree than they were designed for, which is why I need this new dual-battery 20" saw... :D

[@Lucas12v]

@JamesCusano I've got a ton of milwaukee tools and I notice a big performance dropoff when using my them in low temperatures. Especially high demand tools. The tool temp doesn't really matter but the battery does. I don't have specific evidence but I strongly suspect gas saws are less likely to be damaged by heavy rain than electric too. To be fair, I'm biased though because I just like gas saws. Especially big ones.

[@JamesCusano]

@ Between about 20F-30F I’ve noticed a slight dip in power output for about 20-30 seconds then the battery warms itself up; haven’t noticed any difference in runtime on any high demand tools (the chainsaw, circ saw, hammer drill, rotary hammer, and pipe threader are all ones I use often.) I don’t work outside below 20F or in hard rain, but my Milwaukee power tools have served me fine for years in all other conditions - including plenty of light rain. I think heavy rain is bad for any chainsaw! I do occasionally leave dead batteries in a cold truck overnight that then refuse to charge in the morning until I warm them up. 😅

[@Tihiroprjckuh9000]

A good battery endurance test. A good result of sawing solid wood (oak?). In 23 seconds, sawing off a 21-inch piece is the result of stihl ms 361 or husqvarna 365 gasoline chainsaws. now we know that full chisel is better for sawing up to 20 inches, and what is above, then with skip teeth.

[@JamesCusano]

0:45 "Sorry for all you 8ah fans" - do you actually know anyone who prefers running the 16" or 20" M18 saws on anything other than 12ah batteries? I sure as hell don't. They REALLY should have offered a 12ah kit on the 20" like they did with the 16" saw. 😆 Looking forward to seeing how far you can push the bar length with this saw!

[@reusefull]

@JamesCusano I agree with the battery pairing, it should be the 12ah Forge... I think they wanted to be able to say it was under 20lbs 🤷‍♂️

[@michaelbychkov8030]

is that the stock oregon chain that comes with the saw? WorkshopAddict did a video where he replaced it with a stihl full chisel chain and it performed much much better. Would you do the same?

[@reusefull]

That is not a stock oregon chain. It's an LGX series, which is the most aggressive .325 chain they sell that I know of. EXL/EXJ is the newer version, but only available in 3/8 or larger. I'm not well versed in Stihl chains.

[@michaelbychkov8030]

@@reusefull is the LGX oregon better cutting then the one it came with? Stihl equivalent would be 23 RS 78 chain. It would need to be cut by yourself or a dealer as the closest one that stihl makes is an 81 tooth version. Edit" my bad, i just realized its a bigger bar. Just replace the last number of "23 RS __" with however many teeth go on the bar

[@reusefull]

@michaelbychkov8030 The LGX is definitely more aggressive than the chain it came with. The provided chain had semi-chisel cutters. The LGX is a full chisel chain without anti kickback bumpers. I had this cut at a local chainsaw shop.

[@williamkillingsworth2619]

Wow...

[@kenroman777]

Where in the world do you live that there is so much snow on the ground and snowing still. ?

[@reusefull]

@@kenroman777 New Hampshire

[@TheFanatic340]

​@@reusefullI'm jealous, we used to get that in the west side of the Great lakes. you've been getting all our snow the last 8 or 9 years. I want it back 😂😂

[@reusefull]

@@TheFanatic340 It's been a mixed bag, we got snow and then rain 🤷‍♂️

[@job38four10]

Whats the purpose of ship-tooth? I'm looking for a real world reality comparison test of when I cut up my firewood. I do about 3 cord at once/day, of tree length wood at 16" blocks, and some up to 20" DIA, a total of 9 cord....... So in my mind a real world test would be that Milwaukee and or EGO in a off the shelf test, then calculate total cost of set up of each saw and recharge time, and or how many batteries needed for cutting at least 3 cord of hardwood........ Maybe start with average DIA hardwood log of around 10" , cut til batteries are drained then count the cuts, then calculate recharge time, then calculate cost of extra batteries, then calculate how many batteries will it take to cut up 3 cord of hard wood...... THEN take an average 50-60 cc gas saw that most home owners have from 3 name brands ether Husqvarna, Stihl, and Echo, then a cheap Amazon saw like Proyama, all saws with ONE tank of fuel, and cut in same size hardwood til saw is empty of fuel, we all know the cost and time of refilling a gas saw, it's very quick and cheap........ Thats what I want to see for a test, I want an estimate cost of how much $$ will it take for a battery saw to cut NON-STOP of 3 cord of firewood, We all know Milwaukee will cut fast in a few blocks, but thats not real world home owner use, thats urban cowboy use. From what I see so far, battery saws are only good for someone with back or shoulder pain or making a couple quick cuts, or cutting a tree couple times a year.....

[@reusefull]

I think once you could cut a cord of wood with a battery saw, you would be set up so that you could cut continuously. I can't cut at the pace I cut in these videos if I'm cutting to cut cords of wood. When I cut cords of wood I bring my tractor to the wood pile and I cut up a bucket load of wood and then I bring it to a different area for splitting. Three batteries is enough for me to run continuously and never have to stop cutting at the pace that I cut using my Greenworks 82CS34. That's around a $1200 cost, but because I have other tools that use the same batteries that's not the way that it cost for me. These battery tools really start to make sense is if you're running multiple things, but it's a lot harder to justify costs for a single tool. The skip tooth is so there is less wood to clear out of the cut on larger cuts. A lot of people say they think 28" and bigger bar is where it really should be used, but because of the more cutters per length of .325, I tried it with the 24"

[@reusefull]

@Williamsonridge does some cordwood cutting with a battery chainsaw - the Ego CS2000

[@TheFanatic340]

there's a few guys that have done tests similar to what your asking. this guy has done some pretty extensive tests too in older videos

[@JamesCusano]

The longer the bar/chain the more teeth biting into the wood simultaneously and the more power (bigger the motor) it takes to drive those teeth through the wood. With a skip-tooth chain, you can have a longer bar with the same number of teeth as the standard length setup. It's how people run those crazy 36" and 48" length bars without a motor the size of a car engine. I can, and have, cut all day rotating through four 12ah batteries with 2 chargers. They charge about as fast as I deplete them. I've done felling and bucking (lot clearing for home construction) all day multiple times, and twice I've cut 2.5-3 cords of firewood in a continuous session (then split it all later.) The battery electric equipment is more expensive upfront than going with gas equipment, but the immediate benefits are far less noise and no exhaust fumes and no fuel prep and way less tuning/maintenance and less stress on your body (no pull starting over and over and over.) Over time some cost is recouped buying electricity instead of gas and oil, as well as the savings from fewer replacement parts. There are several professional arborists on KZbin that have switched to battery electric saws for everything under 20" in diameter. I cut with gas for 15+ years and I'm never going back!

[@job38four10]

@@JamesCusano { " The longer the bar/chain the more teeth biting into the wood simultaneously and the more power (bigger the motor) it takes to drive those teeth through the wood. " }