New Measurement Train Driver's Eye View: Preston to Glasgow Central

[@martinmarsola6477]

A very enjoyable video this day. I’m suffering from ALS, am in a wheelchair, and cannot travel to the UK. These videos put a smile on my face, which is a rarity. Again thank you for the train ride this day. Will look forward to any new ones coming down the line. Cheers to all associated with the video! Thank you Ben. 🇬🇧👍🥲🇺🇸

[@VICTOR-pf9eg]

You be strong and never give up sometimes it may be hard but you can get through this🇬🇧

[@martinmarsola6477]

@@VICTOR-pf9eg You are correct. Cannot walk, drive, speak, and it effects my thinking some times. Luckily I’m retired. Thank you for your kind instructive comments. 👍🇺🇸

[@martinmarsola6477]

@@VICTOR-pf9eg Thank you for the encouraging words. Cheers Victor!

[@paulhollis8879]

Good luck, mate 👍🏼

[@martinmarsola6477]

@@paulhollis8879 Thank you Sir. God bless you for comment. 🙂👍

[@Adullamite]

Very enjoyable run. I learn a great deal from such videos. Great to see you in Cumbria and West Scotland with blue sky and no rain! These videos mean a lot to many people, thanks.

[@mrroobarb]

Brilliant - loved it, sorry took me three days to watch all of this! Keep them coming x

[@dixiedean1955]

Excellent video Ben, thanks for recording it and posting it for all of us to watch!

[@richardgriffiths5920]

Another enjoyable outing for me up the WCML while I sit at home and this is one of the clearest videos I've enjoyed Ben. It's good to see the use of a couple of former HST diesel locos being put to good use and not in the awful position of lining up for scrap after the last runs of the GWR locos in May 2019. I have appreciated a couple of others you've made and these diesels still pack power in their performances. Thoroughly in my element watching your train videos and keep them coming Ben as I really admire the hard effort you put in.

[@stephenrice4554]

Thanks for taking the trouble and time to bring these marvellous wanderings to us . The information is facinating and it ties together the chats i had with drivers when i was a trackman .

[@alandavidpryce5459]

Extraordinary skies and vistas, what a mesmerising treat!

[@incargeek]

Beautiful light, scenery and sound on this run.

[@chriswinter6672]

Always love the last 5 minutes on a train through Polmadie to Glasgow Central.

[@davidwynne6325]

Great Video Ben, all the hard work is most appreciated, Thank you

[@BigGoucho]

You managed to come up on a day it wasn’t raining. Lovely video.

[@jerryjones8513]

I was in the rail depot at Mossend in Bellshill just outside Glasgow on the 13th of December 2023 and 43257 was sitting in there looking a bit tatty in it`s Colas Rail livery. The next time I went there earlier this year, it was gone. Glad to see it`s still around and doing some useful work.

[@MarksRailwayVideos]

Awesome run over Shap, Beatock and into Glasgow. Done this route several times.

[@brianknowles7130]

Yet another great vid. Many thanks to all concerned - appreciated.

[@jessicamorgan3073]

Thanks Ben and team! I loved the morning light in this video.

[@roundgreenthing]

Enjoyed watching this video. Thank you Ben.

[@keystonedriving8180]

Thank you Ben for another great video. It still doesn't feel right to be easing off the power to slow for speed restrictions at the summits of Shap and Beatock! When you think of the firemen who have had to shift tons of coal to make the summit..... It's also a testament to the way that HSTs can get up and go when it's needed. A trip over the Long Drag would make a welcome follow up, but I'll settle for whatever you can manage. Keep up the good work.

[@Deepak-wr9pt]

Great video - more from this sort of train on different routes please!

[@garybroadhurst3548]

Thanks again Ben for another great video. For a few minutes there I thought we were going to get a sunny ride over Shap, or at least one without rain!

[@hottuna08]

Great video, thanks.

[@trainrailfan671]

I know it's a long shot, but any hope for a full Euston - Glasgow cab view?

[@sidthekid1960]

Please be assured Ben,these video's are so well liked and help all of us to be there,where we would all wish to be,as Oliver would say,can we have more please,sir.

[@Charles-ey9qk]

Good old 125's. ! Hard to beat.

[@vinpetrol2585]

With the WCML being covered fairly extensively, do you sign the Blackpool - Derby circuit that covers the Little North Western from Settle Junction - Carnforth, just wondering if its a possiblity for a future video? Would be fantastic to see.

[@lancashire-john]

I agree, and the continuation of that journey into and out of Morecambe would be particularly good to see, once the nights get light enough in a few months!

[@j.tann1970]

What would be cool on these videos is a view of the speedometer 😊

[@jonathanparry9505]

Thank you Ben

[@hamshackleton]

Carlisle looks very different in yellow sunshine, instead of the usual liquid sunshine!

[@oddities-whatnot]

Fantastic.

[@MrWillijohncoote]

Thanks Ben. I thought I was going to miss the captions, but it was actually a really nice experience riding the first part of the route without them getting in the way, I don't suppose you would consider posting one with and one without on your future trips? Sorry I asked :-)

[@DavidLancstrainspotting]

videoed you at preston thanks for the tone

[@pmallenuk]

Great stuff. Trains and a nice brerakfast. Good start to the day. Ben?

[@carabara3947]

Great Being A Fireside Train Driver While Quaffing A Large Pint Of Stella LOL

[@javierguidounicaud6621]

Thank you for this video and for infos aftet Castairs. Nice cab ride, but very.nice between 1h05 until.1h45 (splendid sunny ride at this latitude). Some beautiful landcapes seen from 25.58 to 37.58 and from 1h51 to 2h01. What does mean "new measurement ?

[@jakewynn]

One of the cross city 323s can be seen at the start. At least it hasn't been scrapped i guess :(

[@markcf83]

Most of them,if not all,are booked for transfer to Northern..

[@kevinmcaulay189]

Ben an amazing video thanks very much. I will be learning this route come October. Do you have GLC to Preston at all ?? Many thanks , Kev.

[@iszraelschuyler3387]

Is this from Preston in Lancashire?

[@CarolineFord1]

yes, it's on the west coast main line

[@carabara3947]

Is That The Same Loco Known As The Lone HST From Filming In The Plymouth Area

[@sidthekid1960]

As a foot note,TOC's could make an absolute fortune by offering Rail inthusiast's permit to work trackside and cab permits to ride with agreeable drivers to travel all areas. Most of us would jump at the chance to travel secondman and pay for it.

[@kenstevens5065]

You are probably right but being in the uk red tape and h&s would mean most folks couldn't afford it! The other great thrill, the RAF big airshows on Battle of Britain day that we used to have and many other open days have gone the same way. Like me I'm sure you enjoy these amateur productions at no cost but full marks to your comment.

[@paulhollis8879]

TOCs can’t give permission to work trackside that easily. You would need a PTS and that’s a two-day course and a job in rail infrastructure..

[@sidthekid1960]

Oh yes,how stupid of me. I work in a safety critical industry and still don't realise how things are so impossible, my CSCS, CITB, MQPC and SSST course's are probably equivalent so yes, maybe anyone wanting to ride on our Highways equipment would face the same challenges, but hey nice to dream,eh.

[@paulhollis8879]

@@sidthekid1960Then you already know that members of the public can’t go lineside, supervised or not. Plus, they’re uninsurable. Want to stump up your future because an idiot puts their foot through a duct with powered cables?

[@sidthekid1960]

@paulhollis8879 .Oh dear, correction police once again crawl out from under their stone and TROLL's abound.ha.ha.ha poor you.

[@raysmith114]

Hi Ben - thanks for this. Tell me, do you get to see the reults of your run? If so, are there any you can share with us?

[@beneliastrains]

Not routinely although there's nothing to stop me going to ask the technicians. In the case of a major defect we can be asked to stop immediately so the precise location can be given to the signaller/route control so the defect can be rectified quickly

[@raysmith114]

@@beneliastrains Thanks. So, are there techicians actually riding ion the train?

[@danielkingham9045]

,,, hi Ben ,, silly question really ,, only I just wanted to ask you why a viaduct about 5 mins after Oxenholme only has check rails on one side (DOWN) the south bound side (UP) doesn’t have any ,,, otherwise a really nice run along the west coast line with stunning views..

[@beneliastrains]

I've no idea about the check rails I'm afraid!

[@Charles-ey9qk]

These videos bring such pleasure to old men like me. I can't travel by train much these days, but this is the next best thing. Many thanks for such a beautiful video. More please!

[@danielkingham9045]

,,,,, I’ve also just noticed that an other viaduct just before the Shap Summit has no check rails along it,,, does anyone know why ?

[@m-arky66]

which one do you mean m8, time stamp it if you can 🖖

[@danielkingham9045]

@@m-arky66 Hey,, thanks for your reply 32 min 40 seconds is the first bridge in question ,, the other one doesn’t really matter 👍sorry to ask such questions

[@DavidJones-lz4io]

Excuse my ignorance, but what measurements does this train take, or have I totally missed the point? Really enjoyed this “journey” BTW 👍

[@Bunsoft]

The test trains measure loads of things- track geometry, overhead line geometry, radio coverage, loading gauge clearances, ballast shoulder widths etc The NMT and four PLPR trains are special- they also capture high resolution imagery of the track at line speed. The images are used to automatically detect track defects. If you see a yellow train go past in the evening, have a look under the coaches and you'll probably see some very bright lamps lighting up the track for the cameras!

[@chrsrwlns]

I love these videos but I have to ask, why so fast? Surely they could go at a nice steady speed, fast enough to stay ahead of trains behind them yet at the same time not so fast as to catch up with trains in front, as they obviously are doing in this video. Also wouldn't a slower speed make any measurements more accurate?

[@beneliastrains]

We drive at line speed under clear signals. The recording equipment is designed to work at up to 125mph

[@kalensus]

Ah, is that what was happening with the sequence of double yellows but never a red... because they were catching up to a train in front?

[@josephtome9600]

Something unusual on this run: A sunny day !

[@Disblair]

So what’s a “Measurement Train”?

[@GaryCheater]

What speed was the train travelling at

[@beneliastrains]

The linespeed shown in the corner is the maximum and will generally be the speed the train was travelling at on clear signals

[@GaryCheater]

@@beneliastrains many thanks Ben

[@markcf83]

The permitted line speed. It'll vary depending on the area.

[@andycruickshank1671]

Just wondering who was ringing the driver on departure from Preston.Seemed,by the drivers side of the conversation. to be asking what the train was and where it was heading.Surely Bobbys and Controllers know train and route.

[@beneliastrains]

It was the signaller at Preston C panel. They do usually know what the train is but there's no harm in asking just in case they're not sure! It could be that it was a new signaller unfamiliar with the area or just wanted to clarify because they don't have clear timings for the train etc.

[@andycruickshank1671]

@@beneliastrains A new signaller unfamiliar with the area sounds unsafe to me.Years ago Bobbys knew their area but now with remote boxes most seem to have no idea of where trains are geographically.

[@beneliastrains]

It's not unsafe. The signaller will know how to safely operate the signalling as they are assessed to do so. But might not know the ins and outs of trains which don't regularly run over the route.

[@LUAu101]

It sounded to me more like the signaller wanted to check the restrictions that applied. Per the Rule Book 'A train that has a train identity including the letter ‘Q’ has route restrictions and must follow its planned route.' But a 'Q'-train could have route restrictions for many reasons. It could be, as in this case, that it has to follow its planned route because it needs to record the track, and it may be specifically booked to take an indirect or inconvenient route specifically to record the track (and therefore the signaller needs to be aware that they can't just keep it main line, say, because it needs to go into a loop, say, to record it, whereas normally you might just not put something in a loop if you didn't need to, or it was losing time). But it could also be that it would be unsafe to divert it from its planned route, owing to it being too long, say, or too heavy for a certain viaduct. Per the Rule Book, therefore, 'Before you signal the train over a running line or route that is different from that planned, you must find out from the driver whether the restrictions on that train's movement allow the train to operate over that alternative route.' It seems likely the signaller was just thinking ahead and wanting to find out what restrictions applied in case of a need to deviate from the train's booked working. For one thing, the signaller doesn't necessarily know when the train is booked to record and when it isn't. If the train is supposed to record a section but gets diverted then that section will go unrecorded and will then need to be visually inspected, or another recording run will need to be arranged, or it could go uninspected and then it would not be in compliance with the applicable rules and regulations and emergency speed restrictions may be needed and it's not great. But if the train is just transiting and isn't recording through a particular section, then it doesn't matter so much if it gets diverted. Paperwork for 'Q'-trains may or may not be at the signaller's fingertips but for a variety of reasons we need not go into here by far the best thing can sometimes be a 10-second phone call to double-check.

[@russouk]

not being funny but whats measuring...distances after track replacements ?..temperature ?...windspeed lol...j/k...no nfo about it why im asking....love the hst best loco out there thanks btw is that Don Coffey filming ,platform right at start ...look bit like him..

[@DownTheLineASMR]

Track positioning, fractures and cracks in the rails etc

[@russouk]

@@DownTheLineASMR ahhh okee dokee ty

[@LokabudiantoWasisto]

I am Indonesian and like cab view train

[@Gus0898uk]

The driver is far too much of a gentleman, I would have given the freight at Shap One Long, One Short on the horn. :) Many of the old steam loco fireman would be turning in their graves watching how quick modern trains power up Shap. Is the Bessie Chyle cottage still standing, I understand it is on the Penrith side of Shap, on the up side deep in the valley?

[@robertjones-eb4xo]

Pity no info.

[@beneliastrains]

Read the description

[@Disblair]

@@beneliastrainsallowing for the fact that there are captions on another video of the majority of this route, it would still have been nice to see captions on the whole of this video. I guess you don’t have the time 😢

[@mikecawood]

The video keeps juttering and freezing.

[@TamasKiss-bv9hz]

👍👍👍❤🤍💚

[@rolf69ful]

What does a measurement train do? And please don't say "it measures things"!!

[@pedromorgan99]

First experience with Japan.shinkansen was passing a motorway as if they were standing.. 3 miles per minute vs 1 mile per minute - eg kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZSbkJ6glrqiqKs - vs Next to motorway ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXKXgYZqeKx4jMksi=8VjHWhua1usdvZNB&t=459

[@hamshackleton]

M6.