New Monument Pro Sable Brushes Review - Product Review 45

[@dakotacouch5642]

I just really love monument hobbies. Their paints and brushes are just soo good.

[@christopherheintz2634]

Their glaze medium works fabulously, as well. I love it.

[@timothythorne9182]

Let us get to the technique in another Vincey V style

[@crashingatom6755]

“And learn Vincey V…” I only correct the lyrics because it’s my favorite jingle. Lol😅

[@timothythorne9182]

@@crashingatom6755 do you mean, "The strict Technomancer that is Vincey V"

[@crimsontietv]

Vince, you look tired. Hope you doing fine. ❤ Thanks for review. Keep it up.

[@naphaneal]

if they're made in Germany, the only manufacturer, that I recall is Davinci-Defet. Their series 1522 (Ussuri sable) comes close to Monument pro sable and are cheaper in their set in sizes of 6,4,2,1,0, which is 22€ for the set

[@prickswithstix1113]

I ordered these about 6 to 9 months ago and have never looked back. Not intentional. It just happened. I think you said in one of your starter tool videos you try brushes until you find what you like and you will know when you like it. I have yet to go back to my Windsor and Newton Series 7’s or Raphael 8404’s Every time I decided to use one those I find myself finishing with one of the pro sables. Odd but not that Odd I guess. I really don’t think there is a bad sable and I have tried my fair share. I think there is the right brush for everyone. I think the price is excellent. I have spent 13 to 20+ bucks per brush for higher end name brands so 11 is a steel for me. But if you don’t know how to take care of a good brush then it just doesn’t matter what you buy!! Great video!!!!! Thanks!!!

[@theshawman]

I was wondering about these. I fell in love with their paints recently so I'm glad to hear the brushes are also great.

[@CourtneyVarner]

Thanks for this, was looking at these a bit ago but didn’t know enough.

[@Americium-120]

Recently purchased a set of these. They're fantastic.

[@arinthel]

I got the small one. It became my go to for details almost overnight

[@spilbobaggins]

My local shop just started carrying these, so will have to check em out.

[@briarsandbantams]

Some of mine split on first use. 2 of them already have bristles sticking out at sharp angles. I had some W&N last for around 4-5 years just before I bought this set, so I don't abuse my brushes. Extremely disappointed by them, but I could have just got a couple lemons. I have a feeling over the last 2 years quality control has dropped in the hobby industry in general.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yeah, Might have just been a bad batch, hard to say, I've had 3 sets of these new ones and I love them, still use all of them (just got more because I liked the first set so much).

[@briarsandbantams]

@@VinceVenturella Thanks for the reply. I bought a few W&N Series 7 to replace these replacements, and some of the same issues popped up, in a less extreme manner. I think companies are just having a hard time sourcing quality sable and are dealing with production and logistics issues since 2020. Just got to take it all in stride, since we are still spoiled with choices compared to the 80s and 90s.

[@cant_standya]

Maybe send a photo to monument and tell them the problem, they'll probably replace them for you.

[@Ric-Gravina]

Looking good without the specs vince. The passion really coming through in your vids lately. Appreciate the progression and knowledge bombs, keep up the great work. 💪

[@chicagohobbyhero]

Love em as well. Need to get in the habit of cleaning each time though

[@ProbablyFat]

Great video, I have always used the citadel or army painter brushes, these are my first step up to using better ones. Thanks for this video, I purchased the same set!

[@Balyrion]

How do these compare in your opinion to alternatives like the 8404, or the squidmar brushes?

[@StormcastMarine]

You're asking Vince... but my two cents. I own 8404 and Monument pro sable. I find the monument brush too soft, I can't get it to hold a point. Maybe if you find the 8404 too hard you'll like the monument brush. Can't believe Vince said in this video that they are similar, he obviously knows what he's talking about, but that hasn't been my experience at all.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yeah, I am sure all experiences will vary, but they are pretty similar to me, the raph has a little bigger belly but they've had a similar snap.

[@Tarrasque87]

Monument Hobbies also has a brush video on how to clean the brush and remove any stray hairs.

[@miniaturestash]

Thanks for the video, I've been wanting to try these brushes out some day

[@kevinhayes517]

Thanks for the review….have been wondering if the brushes are good - and now I know. Will be buying some in the near future!

[@VinceVenturella]

Glad it was helpful!

[@osarion6216]

Back in stock today LETS GO!!

[@michakonwicki6781]

Very interesting review! But I have a difficult question: could you recommend top quality synthetics? Yes, I know the difference, yes I agree that if you are looking for the best quality sables are the only option. But I do not buy natural brushes, I’m vegan. It’s definitely not a place to discuss ethical problems, so let’s stay with brushes. So, what is the best, ultimate synthetic brush you can recommend? I discover more and more top quality synthetics, I have my own favourites, but I would like to explore more, so I’m asking. Bests!

[@PaterUrsa]

Monument Hobbies also makes synthetics! I have quite a few 😁

[@michakonwicki6781]

@@PaterUrsa do you recommend them?

[@PaterUrsa]

@@michakonwicki6781 oh absolutely 💯 I've drunk the kool-aid and Monument brushes are the only ones I use now. If you're looking for other hobby supplies, I encourage you to consider Monument for that as well!

[@michakonwicki6781]

@@PaterUrsa monument’s stuff is not widely available where I live, but I will definitely look for them. Thanks!

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, monument makes some great synthetics, I know Uncle Adam loves them. Also, there are generally just semi-bulk you can get from amazon or ebay that I like.

[@nameisbad]

I am having issues liking pro acryl paints outside their metallic which are nice for brush, it's not the paints problem per say (tho some give me issues) it's the limitations of the medium in them, I do believe for certain audiences they are perfect and I absolutely love the pyrule red I think it's called? But their lifetime on wet palette is too short for my liking and I find them not really performing as well as I like in my climate. Honestly it's a hard time to be a hobby paint brand I find as we got so many good options, personally I'm having trouble wanting to use any paint that's not ak interactive 3rd gen, kimera or GSW (fluors/metal pigments/pigments in general tbh, etc but not their normal acrylic paints as I haven't tried those). It doesn't come down to how good the one's I use are, It comes down to the lack of downsides or restrictions. So seeing this review is interesting, [edited from this point because I'm a dummy] the price on these brushes seems really really really good for natural kolinsky sable brushes. Unless of course they aren't kolinsky and just another type of sable?

[@christopherheintz2634]

These are kolinsky sable brushes. Their synthetic line is also pretty good, but you're paying a premium for them in the UK. They're a US based brand so they're one of the few that are cheap for us.

[@nameisbad]

@@christopherheintz2634 I'm not sure why I thought these were synthetic, my bad! If that is so this is quite cheap for kolinsky sable, which is strange as brushes made out of the weasels hair are usually expensive for good ones, this pack is the same price as a single size 5 series 7 winsor brush. That makes these a surprisingly good deal hmm.

[@nameisbad]

@@christopherheintz2634 Actually are you sure these are kolinsky? that's a specific type of hair that's actually not sabel even tho it's called that, it's made from a specific type of siberian weasel.

[@Finkeldinken]

@@nameisbad they don't look to be Kolinsky, so I am guessing these are probably red sable. Usually perfectly serviceable, especially for acrylics, imo.

[@charlesfe]

I haven't been able to order Rosemary & Co sables due to import restrictions... had been wondering if the Monument sables would be a good replacement. Though every time I check to order a set they are out of stock.

[@VinceVenturella]

They are a good replacement.

[@justinkotrba2197]

Thanks for reviewing these. Just curious, what is your ranking of your top 5 sable hair brushes?

[@VinceVenturella]

I don't know that I would have 5, generally these monument brushes, Winsdor & Newton Series 7 and Raphael 8404.

[@justinkotrba2197]

@@VinceVenturella Would love to see you do a new review comparing all the heavy hitters and your take on them. Of course we all have our own preferences of brush but I think a lot of people would enjoy seeing your opinion on them. ex: Windsor, Raphael, Artis Opus, Monument, Davinci, Rosemary and co etc.

[@karmaq8462]

I use a size 3 synthetic from mounument hobbies , I haven't touched my sables yet lol

[@madMARTYNmarsh1981]

I recently tried Da Vinci brushes, they're pretty good. I got some Red Grass Games brushes with my wet pallette from their kick-starter and they're a bit weird, the bristles feel like a synthetic but they're definitely sable, it's quite odd. I want to try some Monument Hobby brushes as I've seen a video about their quality control but they're difficult to get in the U.K. so for now my main brushes are Rosemary & Co which are excellent brushes and much cheaper than any other sable brush I've used.

[@VinceVenturella]

Good set for sure.

[@dirigoallagash3464]

Hope they are better than the Bomb Wicks. Seems to come down to the individual brush though. I have W&N 0, 1 and 3 and LOVE them! Ordered a 2 and it's the same size or bigger than the 3 with rogue hairs that are too long.

[@dirigoallagash3464]

Ha! Out of stock! Curse you, Vince!

[@VinceVenturella]

Sorry on the out of stock, but I do like them better than the old version.

[@davidblenner9082]

Get out of my head! How did you know I was looking for new brushes. Thanks for the video!

[@mediaplayer3686]

Have you tried them with oil paints? The set is out of stock but the 2 larger sizes are available individually. Thanks!

[@VinceVenturella]

I tend to use synthetics for oil paints.

[@kimnasstrom1919]

I watched your wet palette video from 4 years ago, are you still using the same paper to cover the sponge?

[@VinceVenturella]

No, I'm using the Game Envy wet palette now and their paper.

[@caseyfrechette]

Thanks for this! I was a little reluctant to try these. But if it's good enough for Vince, it's definitely good enough for me. :)

[@thedorklylionchannel415]

Yesssss give me all the brush reviews

[@mattcappelli5822]

I bought a set of these a few years ago and I couldn’t tell a tremendous difference from the synthetics I had. Admittedly, I was a much worse painter, so I should give them another try.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yes, these are also a new version of them, and I like the new ones better for sure.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

Hey Vince what brand of sable hair would you reccomend that has a firmer snap or brush? Less bendy. Thank you!

[@VinceVenturella]

Hard to say for sure, as everyone has their own tolerance for that, but for me, Raphael 8404 is generally where I want to live as far as snap.

[@chrisbeau76]

Have you got around to using the Size 4? I hear its great.

[@VinceVenturella]

Not yet, but I will.

[@gamelover260]

How well do they fit in the exemplar wet palette you convinced me to buy last review haha

[@VinceVenturella]

They fit just fine. :)

[@michaelwright3886]

I'm still working with a supply/stash of the bomb wick igniters; how do these compare, are they just igniters labeled differently or are they new and improved?

[@VinceVenturella]

New and improved, new vendor and brush maker.

[@zacharyboozer9132]

How do these compare to the Raphael 8404s in your opinion? I haven't tried these out yet, but I have seen on their site you can build your own bundle for a discounted rate as well, so that's always cool.

[@VinceVenturella]

I use Raph 8404 normally, and these feel very comparable.

[@markgnepper5636]

Great stuff friend 👏 👍 Love mine too

[@the_zombie_ritual897]

what brush soap do you use Vince? thanks!

[@VinceVenturella]

Generally master's brush soap.

[@the_zombie_ritual897]

@@VinceVenturella Thanks so much!

[@bvshmaster6990]

Hey Vince, I got a couple of size 1 pro sables, and they’ve got what appears to be a long guide hair. What’s the best way to deal with that?

[@VinceVenturella]

Very carefully flatten out and cut away with an ultra sharp razor. It's very tricky to do.

[@notnubilous3804]

Glad to hear about these they were in my periphery to purchase, but Vince could you suggest maybe a super stiff sable haired brush?

[@VinceVenturella]

Raph 8404 has been my go to for highest snap.

[@garryame4008]

I can't seem to figure out what kind of sable these brushes are made from. Does anyone know?

[@VinceVenturella]

I would reach out to Monument directly.

[@mindyfranke5279]

Thanks for the video and recommendation. How long would you say that a typical sable brush lasts?

[@VinceVenturella]

6-12 months with good care, but that really depends on usage, how you paint, cleaning, etc. It can last much longer or very short.

[@Regeadg]

Look solid. So far I use synthetics and gw brushes. but looking to get 1 or 2 sable brushes. I have a question about your grip. I noticed that you seem to hold your brushes in a specific way. Any chance of getting video about that?

[@VinceVenturella]

I do, but you don't want to copy me. My grip is pretty bad, but I've adjusted to it.

[@Regeadg]

@@VinceVenturella Judging by the quality of your work, the grip works more than fine :) I do sometimes swap my grip to some odd configuration, when I can't steady ma hands.

[@mrTirwit]

I watched both reviews but I don't get the differences between these and the Igniter range. They are both Kolinsky Sable, right?

[@VinceVenturella]

The Igniters were the original ones, the newer ones don't have that branding anymore, but they are sable yes. In my experience, the new ones are also excellent.

[@chaoticpainting1507]

The only issue I have with monument hobby brushes is that when im ready to order them the one's i want are out of stock lol, literally the pack you keep mentioning is out of stock. I buy them when I can, they're my go to for my brushes these days, even the synthetics they have hold a tip for awhile, which i liked.

[@StormcastMarine]

I love my Raphael 8404, to me the Monument pro sable is way too soft. The interesting thing here is that, just because a brush is expensive doesn't mean you'll like it. I recognize that this is a good brush, but I find the 8404 to be in a different league, for me at least. Good that we have different strokes for different folks.

[@christopherheintz2634]

If you're looking for a synthetic that has a similar feel to the 8404, (at least I think) the Princeton velvet touch line of synthetic. They have a nice stiff snap, but hold lots of water. Much snappier thab the aqua elite, and they're awesome for basecoats etc.

[@kevinw.7299]

Shame they're not more widely sold Edit: You can get 4 green stuff world silver series for less than half, I'm gonna try some of those in the meantime

[@stuartmc4422]

Hi Vince. Can I ask for sable brushes: is it okay to use metallic paints with them, or should I just stick to synthetic brushes for metals?

[@proxytag]

You can use metallics, but they’ll damage the hairs more than normal paints. Know the risks and make sure to clean with brush soap, and always remember that brushes will always end up destroyed from normal use.

[@VinceVenturella]

Proxy is correct. You can, but they will damage pretty fast, so you want to make sure they are limited use, favor synthetics first.

[@stuartmc4422]

@@VinceVenturella thanks for the advice!

[@HappyDuude]

Anyone know if the equivalent set is available in Europe? Just priced some up and coming way over the amount

[@christopherheintz2634]

Rosemary and Co, for a good midrange brush in the UK.

[@HappyDuude]

@@christopherheintz2634 will check out, ty!

[@liberalhyena9760]

Element Games in the UK (link in description) are listing this set but it’s currently showing “stock on the way”. The synthetic set is in stock, however.

[@HappyDuude]

@@liberalhyena9760 Nice - will check that too!

[@VinceVenturella]

You got some good responses for sure.

[@natoman]

Gah, I've been trying to order these for several months but every time I check they're out of stock :(

[@VinceVenturella]

Yeah, they sell out quick sadly.

[@TerrierHalo]

We have too many weasels and martins sneaking about the cabin for me to use anything but synthetic. ;) Or maybe I'm just too worried, not without cause, that I'll just wreck a very expensive brush. :D

[@TerrierHalo]

Doh! Thanks for the review, this is what I get for being distracted.

[@JPGotrokkits]

So that's where the last tube of them went. Dragon's Lair on Polaris much Vince?

[@VinceVenturella]

Wait, there is a game store on Polaris?

[@JPGotrokkits]

@@VinceVenturella yep! Its called Dragon's Lair and they carry Monument products. I stopped in a couple of times on my way through (south bound on 71). Im planning to enter the Iron Painter contest on Nov. 19.

[@klakhouse]

maybe im blind but i do not see the link for the brushes?

[@liberalhyena9760]

Click on the down arrow under the video. You’ll need to close Comments first.

[@VinceVenturella]

monumenthobbies.com/products/pro-sable-1

[@StrohmaniasFlyingCircus]

We can't put a link to the thing without getting deleted?

[@VinceVenturella]

Sadly no, KZbin doesn't like that.

[@theezekarion164]

I trust this guy an his opinion like gospel So ill definitely be trying these. Where can I find the brushes at?

[@VinceVenturella]

monumenthobbies.com/collections/bomb-wick-brushes-sables

[@DaHobbles]

Great vid!

[@martinteasdale542]

Have you had any problems with their older sable brushes ? Some of mine lost their tip pretty quickly. I may try these if they are more durable.

[@christopherheintz2634]

They're pretty good. I'm still using some of the bomb wicks I think they were called and have some of the pro sable and thwyre of comparable quality. Occasionally you get a meh batch of them, and I've had the same problem with isaveys, Raphaels, and escodas. Every now and again you just get a funky one. If you're stateside, I had a very easy time dealing with monument and being issued replacements for brushes that just didn't work out.

[@martinteasdale542]

@@christopherheintz2634 Thanks ! I may give them a second try. Their no3 Bomb Wick was one of my favorite brush, but it died somewhat quickly. I may tried to contact them if I ever get another bad brush from them, even if I'm in Canada.

[@PhD777]

Had issues with the older brushes. Since ghen, tgey have addressed the issues with quality, manufacture and quality control.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yeah, these new ones have been very durable for me, they switched manufacturers.

[@osburnsourcelighting313]

Added to cart! lol

[@ericccowan]

Out of Stock everywhere

[@VinceVenturella]

They generally come back fairly quick, but yes, they are manufactured in Germany, so it’s tough.

[@ericccowan]

@@VinceVenturella Thank you for your input, I'll keep an eye out. Thank you for your great videos. I used to play Warhammer 40k in the in the late 80's in high school. Now I'm printing 3D models and learning how to paint. Thanks again and keep the videos coming.

[@benstaffordson7163]

Very glad for the review - I eyed them off, but given I have to import them to aus I'm very wary of dropping money on brushes without seeing them. Do you intend to review their new washes or their primer? So far I'm still just using vallejo, but if the primer is as good as the paints then I might have to swap

[@thatgenericdixienormouspicguy]

I can’t speak for Vince, but I have all their primers and they’re all pretty good coverage with a matte finish. It isn’t like ground breaking stuff it does cover pretty well though if I would suggest some colors to get it’d be the grey, black, or dark green primers they’re great in airbrushes or brush on primed and the dark colors are one spray coverage (at least in my experiences).

[@VinceVenturella]

Agreed, use the primers all the time now.

[@kendrickwhite4868]

You the goat sir

[@Dash277]

Awesome. I am a fan of Monument lately. Pro Acryl paints and primers are fantastic. Honestly it's silly but the red color and big white font on these gave them a cheap look so I held off on trying them. But I definitely trust your opinion Vince. I'll pick them up!

[@christopherheintz2634]

It's red so you can paint faster!

[@BigMizzzy]

Everyone is recommending these but they are constantly out of stock?

[@bear_brush]

Made in Germany? Interesting!

[@RottenJeeves]

I picked up a #2 about a week ago. Worst brush I have ever used. Does not hold a point, super mushy, and holds very little paint. Either I got a bad one or I just don't like these type of brushes. Love their paints but not the brushes.

[@briarsandbantams]

That has exactly been my experience as well.

[@prickswithstix1113]

Then maybe they just aren’t the brush for you! Keep trying and you will find the right one!! Good luck!

[@VinceVenturella]

Could be a bad brush, but yep, there is always some variance in the snap we like brushes for, no issue there.

[@andreag.4609]

Surely better than my last DaVinci 🤮

[@RyanEdwardsVA]

Might have to give these a go if BrokenToad continues to be AWOL. I've yet to use a brush that is so perfect as theirs, but I might have no choice. Good to know these serve well.

[@jeremyhauck960]

Broken toad is done, so start considering other options

[@andreag.4609]

@@jeremyhauck960 whaaat?!? Really?

[@thatgenericdixienormouspicguy]

Yep, sadly they are out of business so no more brushes which sucks because they’re amazing brushes.

[@RyanEdwardsVA]

@@jeremyhauck960 where did you hear about it? I've only seen radio silence. Did they announce this anywhere?

[@liberalhyena9760]

Their website is still up. I’ve just sent an enquiry via the web form and it showed as ‘received’.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

Sold out. So are broken toad brushes...

[@VinceVenturella]

Yes, they are moving their production to here in the states soon. I do like these quite a bit as well (they do have a higher snap than the 8404s I mentioned), so when they are back, you may want to pick them up and give a test.

[@ssreeser95]

This product review is a day too late. I just ordered my very first sable brush from Monument yesterday!

[@dannythompson9642]

👍👍

[@deathspawn54]

I wish I could get these for 56 dollars, they are 100 for me

[@kraviits6647]

Too bad brushes which are made in Germany can't be purchased easily (or without hefty price increase) in Germany

[@geronimo8159]

Hmmm. Maybe it would be possible to figure out the manufacturer and buy from them 🤔. Maybe they sell similar ones under a different label... Edit: they are available at pk-pro

[@VinceVenturella]

Unfortunate.

[@RobertGardnerEngineer]

Hey Vince. Are you okay? You seem like you've lost a lot of weight, and your eyes look different.

[@VinceVenturella]

Just fine, just new lighting and when I filmed this I was really tired. :)

[@sshim950]

: )

[@canton7180]

Out of stock

[@VinceVenturella]

They sell out quick, but they are always getting more.

[@pat0652]

Sable Hair brushes? This is a pretty shit thing to be pushing. The bodies are basically just skinned and wasted.

[@PhD777]

It is made from the tail. The (better) hair is primarily from Russia, but more and more is being exported from China - where, in fact, they are considered vermin no better than rats (due to their numbers) and are exterminated wholesale. So, instead of trapping and either drowning , burning them alive, or poisoning them as useless waste, people are benefiting from them and do not destroy them as readily. Fortunately, some Russians are trying to shear the tails for sustainable resource instead of killing them.