New Netherland X: Expansion of Upstate, Esopus Wars and Schenectady

Where is the line between Upstate and Downstate NY? Did the Dutch already determine the divide centuries ago? As the Northern part of New Netherland expands out of Rensselaerswyck and Beverwyck, the settlers who went south encountered an isolated tribe and xenophobia on both sides led to the Esopus Wars, a four year long series of blood feuds. The Settlers who went North-West and found Schenectady had relations of a very different kind with the friendly Mohawks.
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[@mv13]

Thank you for this, these podcasts are awesome, extremely informative, I have ancestors going back to some of these old settlements, some of the last names include Rapelje, Stryker, Van Nest, Vroom, and Tenbrook to name a few. It’s an often forgotten piece of history I’m glad somebody is taking the time to paint a picture in my mind of the time period they lived in. Please keep it up!

[@stabbrzmcgee825]

I see Lange Eylandt and it makes me think of the modern pronunciation of the Long Islanders, with the carry-over of a hardish G so lanGuyland, sort of, sometimes even with a t-ish sound for the final d (a variant). It's like it passed down, accent and all. Likely nothing to do with it at all, but it sure makes me think of all my many longislander classmates back in college. FYI these are really enjoyable podcasts and really deserve a lot more views.

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

@@stabbrzmcgee825 accents are a tricky thing to study, but you may be on to something.

[@AlexisWallace1984]

My great x (idk... 6? 7?) Grandfather Van Keuren bought a home in Kingston in the year 1711, and it's still there and beautiful today!

[@JansenWhaleterd]

Great presentation. I enjoyed every minute of it.

[@dianethulin1700]

Thank you for this! We settled in Ulster County and I like these history lessons. Maybe we are related to your wife? My ancestors are th eDu Bois & Crespel

[@brianferris1233]

thank you for sharing 👍

[@FortNassauNY-th9ni]

Refreshing. Seek contact Robert.

[@VicsYard]

Schenectady / Rotterdam here. Great video.

[@colleen1776]

I love that map pf New Netherland! Did you find it in an archive?

[@wtfisthisp00]

My family also came down from Quebec to assist burning Schenectady down with the Algonquins.

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

Imma send you the bill

[@kskssxoxskskss2189]

Why the smoke?

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

I don't know, I thought it looked cool.

[@danielvillalobos9487]

I'm from Kingston ny. Formally wiltwyk.

[@LilBruno63]

I live in Saratoga County, and discussing upstate v downstate is a headache, no new yorker agrees.

[@ConnWilliams]

The linefor upstate/downstate is I-84

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

This is acceptable

[@ConnWilliams]

@@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 been listening in order for about 2 weeks now as I dart around between MA and buffalo at work. Your work in my opinion is comparable to the dollop. It's really cool to be able learn so much about the region while I drive across it. Mind you I'm Australian so I'm always looking to enrich the context of where I travel. Maybe I'll buy you a beer sometime 🤙

[@M3TaGh0sStT]

Born in Mont Pleasant neighborhood in Schenectady. Upstate NY, to me, is anything north of Dutchess, Ulster, and Sullivan County. These are the suburbs of NYC and are not Upstate NY. Was once called country by someone from New Rochelle. If you go up 87 you will see what I mean. Don't forget West New York, which I don't consider upstate. Going out 88 will show you. Anything past Rome is a long way away. Anything more than an hour north of Albany I would call the Adirondacks. Much more wilderness and less country farm feel.

[@ArtemisWarriorGoddess]

Mount Pleasant New York is in Westchester County. That's South that's in New York City's sphere of influence

[@M3TaGh0sStT]

@@ArtemisWarriorGoddess different places

[@M3TaGh0sStT]

@@ArtemisWarriorGoddess I’m just talking about a neighborhood in my city.

[@jasonadams2264]

its definitely "Eh-SOAP-us" to the natives. Lived there my whole life, and never heard ESS-suppis.

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

My Wife from Kingston gave me the same lecture

[@Tryunderstandingsarcasm]

You’re exactly right. What a breathtakingly beautiful area.

[@Tryunderstandingsarcasm]

I’m from the area and a lot of the surnames names you’re mentioning are familiar to me. A lot of people with these names.

[@MainMezzer]

So what your telling me is that my cities founder was a hardcore drinker who likes to party, sell boozes, being a gun runner and sleep around with both European and Native American woman? what a Chad I like van curler even more lol. I love Schenectady

[@CptCudlScoops]

1:09:05 really makes me think of NYS' current government.

[@gwcnetwork9672]

👌

[@Tryunderstandingsarcasm]

They don’t say Esopus, they say Esopus! 😂

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

I always confuse Esopus with Esopus, it fine as long as I don't confuse it with Asbestos.

[@aleahandrews8070]

I’m from Saratoga and we don’t take kindly to people from Schenectady…

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

Neither do people from Schenectady

[@RKM514]

Babble on

[@ryandugal]

Next episode is gonna be political isn’t it...

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

Is it political? These are old episodes, you can check out the rest here, podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-other-states-of-america-history-podcast/id1507224670

[@RKM514]

I met idiots who think anything north of Central Park is "Upstate".