New Network Gear - TP-Link Omada 10G, Wifi7, PoE

[@gavinskurrie]

How this channel doesnt have at least 1mil+ subs is beyond me...... appreciate you!

[@adgeegfad]

The analysis is solid, maybe work the audio a little both recording quality, and sounding a little more excited. Either way, I subbed.

[@adamsvensson2035]

Top expensive equipment for consumers, too little information for installers. The information is stuck in a middle ground. Not attracting new people in the hobby, and not providing the information that is sought after by experts. It is in the dead space between someone like LTT/MKBHD and Level1Techs

[@JeanBrito666]

Now it have one more sub

[@stocky9803]

We are an ISP in Oz that is also a VIP partner with TP-Link. Very good product range for SMB customers, we love it a lot. Unfortunately the one big downer with the Omada gateways currently is the ability to add additional WAN Aliases for PPPoE connections. This is coming early next year im told but so far everything else has been great for the duration we've been using them.

[@Emerald13]

Recently introduced an omada poe 16 port switch, the 8 port 2.5 switch, and an AP into my network, sticking with pfsense for main firewall duties for now. All great so far!

[@mistakek]

Just added a Tp-Link omada switch to my network. The 24x2.5Gb 500w POE++ with 4 sfp+ ports to my network. I've setup the controller in a lxc container in my proxmox cluster. Super fast and cheaper this way. I've got a nice mix of pfsense, unifi and now Tp-Link plus a cheap Chinese 4x2.5Gb/2sfp+ on my network. The network stack is a bit of a brothel 😂

[@myr3434]

I’ve happily run the Omada 8 port gigabit switch with the lower end EAP-225s for a few years. I started considering migrating to 2.5G and found myself wishing for more multi gig ports on an Omada firewall/router. The Unifi Cloud Gateway Max with no storage hits the same price point and really has me tempted even if it involves more than one controller software running at once. Thanks for another great video.

[@7MBoosted]

I agree with this. I have no idea why they don't have a L2+ 8-16 port 2.5gbe switch available, there are several dumb 2.5gbe 8 ports switches well under $100. It can't be that hard to sell something similar on omada for ~$100-$120.

[@crypticanswerz]

This is why I can't recommend TPLink. When the only SFP+ capable router was the ER8411 up until this year when the G611 got added (which is significantly more costly). And that's ignoring the giant elephant in the room that they ALREADY have one that's only for sale in China (ER2260) and has no english option.

[@JordosTechShack]

@@crypticanswerz all of of the had to do with FCC licensing and Sampling. They're a ton of China only switches you can get from various brands that are way cheaper but don't have any FCC clearance or licensing. Some of the no-name brands will import illegally or gray market it. The issue is now becoming a lot of these companies that don't care if they get caught and they'll just close down and reopen under a different name are importing them like crazy. Again its Gray market, but selling them in the US on Amazon. So you have YangLee and others selling items at less than half the price of the competition, but when you get the product there aren't any FCC's tags on it or if there are it's clearly a knockoff one. They just downloaded it on the internet and printed it on their device. So the TLDR is TP-Link follows proper FCC licensing and importing. So for whatever reason, whether it's interference for shielding, something FCC found out of compliance and to expensive to fix, or it's just not worth it for them to sample it to the FCC for US sale.

[@UnscuffedIonian]

Heads up, there's quite a few complaints about the heat from those with the UCG Max

[@myr3434]

@@UnscuffedIonian thanks for alerting me to this, definitely a bummer

[@haxxorsheep]

side note. Its slow because of the hardware controller. If you spin up a software controller on a docker or lxc you will have a much better experience. Also will you look at DDNS and why cloud flare is not a option.

[@marcusbrown1853]

Your VLAN/ACL run through was the most useful, quick explanation I've come across. Thanks

[@Derek.Iverson]

I loved the bit where you were gnawing on your banister and pulling the laptop out of the microwave. 😂

[@RaidOwl]

I’m such a silly goose

[@hbhamilton3]

No, YOU'RE a layer 2 switch! I'm considering upgrading my network gear to TP-Link. Thanks Brett!!

[@suorcd]

I learned two new things about the Omada software (dark theme and better ACL). thank you.

[@cloudcitydigital]

Been running a whole Omega setup (Router / PEO Switch / Access Point) that I built on the cheap (used or discounted) and I've been happy with it. I run the controller in Portainer on my homelab server and it works pretty well.

[@denvera1g1]

13:46 I kind of like this idea of being able to block certain SSIDs from accessing certain VLANs At work we have a VLAN for the VR labs and these facebook headsets are only able to talk to the chromecast for those rooms, and the internet.

[@MattDaddyPrime]

Great video, as usual. Maybe I'm the odd one, but I like the controller being separate from the routing.. I can upgrade or swap each device independently without them being joined at the hip (with respect, I know you're old enough to remember those dismal TV/VCR combos :) ).

[@aweisen1]

Omg, you’re so sweet. I AM a L2 switch. Xoxo Know your worth, kings.

[@RaidOwl]

xoxoxo

[@cyclemoto8744]

Thanks for sharing, would love to see a current comparison with Unifi. Still on the fence as to whether I upgrade my unifi LAN or transition to Omada

[@Mtko.C]

Today I'm beginning to install an ER8411 router, sx3008, and 4 switches with 10G SPF+. 4 ap's. All sfp+ connected. 10G uplink 2 switch 48 port's each. Sg-3452x 1 24p. Sg-3428x 1 PoE 8ports

[@kevinmichaelreed]

Great stuff! I just bought an 8-port and a 16-port omada switches for testing. this was helpful to orient me to their interface.

[@ghhoward]

Main reason I got into TP-Link Omada routers was to not have unneeded features on my router. I don't want the Omada controller to be part of the router. My whole reason to get into the tp-link Omada series was the modularity. Not really the Ormada software controller that much as a feature.

[@JordosTechShack]

I have been running TP-Link Omada Aps for years, deployed hundreds of APs for clients, manage dozens on my global dashboard, but the APs is where it stops. Since rebranding their business routers to Omada form SafeStream they seems to have goon backwards UI wise. As far as switches go, I do love their gigabit stuff, never had a switch fail. Decade + deployments never replaced a switch under warranty. multi-gig on the other hand however is a different story. Had to swap one one 2.5g switch twice under warrantee in two years. TP-Link warranty and and express replacement is awesome, but I shouldn't of had to use it twice on the same produce under warranty. In the multi-gig world there are better options for less money and are far from the best bang for the buck anymore.

[@wojtek-33]

They had a switch chip issue with their 8 port 2.5 poe switch about 2 years ago that was killing switches and updated it and doesn't seem to be an issue anymore. If that's the switch you are taking about. I mean it took Intel like 5 versions of their 2.5 switch chip to make it work properly, so not surprising.

[@solacedagony1234]

Is that the only hardware failure you've had? Can you give examples of UI issues?

[@JordosTechShack]

@@solacedagony1234 Yea, I have only had failure with the 2.5g switches, literally the only failure I have ever had with their products, everything I have deployed is either still going strong, or replaced for an upgrade not failure. The Multi gig stuff they just don't offer any killer extra features, but are also not even close to the cheapest option. Tp-Link residential stuff is still the best bang for the buck, but their entry level business switches are priced a bit too high. Even their really budget unmanaged stuff is crazy priced. A month ago I bought a cheap YangLee unmanaged switch 8x2.5g + 1x10g SFP+, for $60. The 5 port unmanaged 2.5g TP-Link switch it replaced was $300 new, but still $100 and half the ports and switching capacity as the YamgLee. One of the big reason is FCC licensing cost and sampling. YangLee had fake BS FCC tags. TP-Link sell cheaper China only stuff on AliExpress but wont get it FCC sampled to get it "legally" imported to the US. On the other hand Netgear and others are starting to release unmanaged and managed multi gig stuff around the same price as the YangLee options, and actually FCC cleared. So TP-Link needs to expand their US offerings or loose the budget crown.

[@TMoneyJones]

Damn right I’m well priced.

[@ReviewingLife]

Love your Videos❤ Been running tplink omada since 2018, I also wish they implemented the client traffic feature you mentioned.

[@gamingforlive2150]

Holy moly the bots are interested in homelabs now apparently 😂 btw id like to see a you talk about how it held up long term more and controversly id actually really like some wifi content even if its just close up tests and showing the options in therms of configuration as i know how wifi performs in my own home i just havent fully decided between omada and unifi yet

[@catalystguitarguy]

I may have to check out some of the omada line. I run my network on about 6U of MikroTik gear, and TP link for my mesh network I needed 6 nodes to cover the house due to layout and spread.

[@jfkastner]

Well done Video. Testing of a quad Core IPS/IDS should be done with at least 4 parallel Tasks in iperf - but that's not a good test anyways because they are 'man made' Packets and don't look like real Traffic ...

[@hatless-cluncky-capsize]

I am currently using Omada (switch, AP and controller) with Firewalla router. The router keeps needing rebooting. So much so, I am considering taking the plunge to go all Omada. Thank you for the informative rundown

[@dacianthrax2450]

I was actually just wondering if there was ever gonna be an update to the original! Very timely as I’m planning a network upgrade 😊

[@marcusbrown1853]

The TP-Link fans are terrible. Swapping them for Noctuas improved it so much.

[@sonnyward9857]

I use a lot of the same stuff and for the most part I like it. However, throw that OC200 controller in the garbage. It will quit on you. Just install the software controller on an old laptop, use one port on your router and never turn it off. You will have online access where ever you have internet.

[@RockTheCage55]

Hopefullly you have to answer a question. I need a new 2.5gbe switch. The tplink (omoda) & the microtik are pretty comparable on features. Which one would you lean towards? The unifi is 2x more so i'm not going that direction. Don't know if your a microtik fan or not.

[@greyport]

any inputs on tp link and our government accusing them of leaving backdoor access for PRC? i am still looking at unifi or omada but after the sensational news article i was wondering about your opinion.

[@RaidOwl]

"The lawmakers haven’t uncovered any direct evidence of TP-Link aiding Chinese state-sponsored spying."

[@legendaryzfps]

Unifi is US spionage. No difference IMO. If you wanna have it safe go with Open Source FW like OpenWRT

[@Chukijay]

Gotta pay to play I guess. The value is there. Unifi’s recent software update added some serious DNS/ convenience features to their routers though. TPlink will have to up their game there

[@RaidOwl]

Agreed

[@JamesHubbard]

I've got two access points setup using the controller on a Pi5. I don't know what the problem is but the several times a day I will have issues where it says that the wifi doesn't have access to the Internet. I would like to see their desktop switch products like the SG2016P have 2.5G. They've released some new 2.5G desktop switches that don't have any controller or smart support. It seems like a wasted opportunity. Unifi has cheap 5 port switches with controller support, but no 2.5G. Couple the problems I'm having with the access points and the lack of 2.5G support, I'm starting to lean towards using Unifi. It seems like TP-Link is missing out on a good opportunity to bring budget conscious advanced home networking users/home labbers into their fold.

[@imperia777]

Read about WiFi radar detection!

[@denvera1g1]

Before i watch this video, i really hope there is a 16 port POE with the power adapter supporting Powerline+wifi mesh network like their P series of Mesh networks for physically disconnected buildings that share a common primary circuit, and are too far for wifi to be faster than a few Mbps. Where powerline, though slow, is faster than 1-10Mbps AND allows for both a backhaul channel to add to that 1-10Mbps, but also a fall-back channel for when it rains or someone parks a vehicle between the radios and wifi drops completely

[@kreaweb-be]

Is the router needed in a TP-LINK Omada setup or can we just connect the system to the ISP router?

[@kristopherleslie8343]

You said new so I am here 😂❤

[@MrakCZ]

OC is ok. Unless you want adopt switch on different vlan than 1. It rly sucks. And I am not alone. After some stupid workaround and switching cables etc. it all works nicely. Proxmox with virtualized opnsense, Omada controller virtualized - > sfp+ uplink to switch with VLANs.. Set up vlan management network on switch and.. Nope, OC can't adopt on vlan management, only on vlan 1. And set up VLANs untagged and tagged is.. Somehow weird. But at the end it works.

[@Net-Extension]

Just a note VLAN = Virtual Local Area Network so not "Virtual VLAN" just "Virtual LAN" 😁😁

[@sivi151]

next to this ER707-M2, a cloud gateway max from ubiquiti is a much more value. All 2.5gb ports, integrated controller, and protect support, i was thinking TP-link is a budget friendly brand, but its not anymore i'm afraid (and 1.5gbit IPS/IDS)

[@RaidOwl]

That might be something I'll discuss on my video about them ;)

[@kreaweb-be]

Why is the TL-SG3218XP-M2 not perfect? At the moment there is no in depth review available on KZbin.

[@Reaper_1994]

Depending on the use cases, having a built in controller would actually be a downside. For example, the er7212pc with the built in controller would be better without it. It's an er605 with 5 port PoE switch built in. Because my work use a cloud VM with the Omada controller on it with over 190 sites on it, the built in controller prevents us from using the er7212pc router. TP-Link, please release a router like the er7212pc without the built in controller.

[@zoxc2152]

It would nice run Crusader against the AP to see if the latency behaves under load. I do have some Deco units which aren't particularly great.

[@studioxxswe]

Now SDN = L2 ACL rules. :=)

[@slip0n0fall]

It's unfortunate they don't offer a 24port L2+ in GbE with PoE and 1-2 multi-gig uplink ports. Their 24port 2.5G PoE is $700 ouch

[@mrkdosmil2879]

I think TechnoDad just called you out on your OMV video, surreal lol

[@RaidOwl]

Haha yeah he emailed me before hand. Super nice of him.

[@JordansTechJunk]

You're gonna need some faster server storage with that kind of network speeds! ;)

[@gt-simdriver6716]

Yeah, if you want to use IPS you need to the 8411.

[@johnbeer4963]

It's funny that you say that about nobody in the small network is pushing more than 120gbps across their network. I've been looking at switches recently and I figured how much bandwidth I actually need in my home network. Assuming 5gbe at the main workstation and that my projected NAS is 2.5gbe I need about 8gbps at the main switch.... less than a 5 port 1gbe switch has... but i need the faster ports

[@festro1000]

Been keeping an eye on Omada as I use Zero Tier but have been looking for something selfhosted.

[@geekrojo]

What do you think of the new Festa line, compared to Omada? Are there plans to do a review on Festa?

[@wojtek-33]

My favorite thing about omada switches is not having to use a controller. If you had a lot of switches it could be tedious, but i rarely reconfigure them so i just use the web ui. Where's that at Unifi!?

[@qoutwest]

i have a lot of issues with omada and VLANs..

[@samsungtv4u]

Can I install tp link Omada for yard and still use my Deco BE10000 mesh for the house??? I would like to install TP-Link EAP650-Outdoor to Deco BE10000. How can I make that happen???

[@enquiries.kbaphotography8501]

ER7212PC has poe not 2.5 but is pie and oc200 built-in

[@nicklovato8921]

Watch almost everything you have about tp-link and still have a question 😅 if I have Omada router, controller, indoor access points x3 and outdoor. Can I still have a non Omada switch and still get the network seamless? 😊

[@RaidOwl]

The non-Omada switch will work, it just won’t show up in the Omada UI. You’ll have to configure stuff manually on the switch using its built in ui.

[@nicklovato8921]

@@RaidOwl thanks 😊

[@michakozakiewicz3675]

For me Omada is like mega beta version unifi

[@conm9891]

Im running the er605, sp2008p and wa3001 and it works great.

[@daymianhogue1634]

Tbh, it kinda seems like these are the same prices as their ubiquity counterparts. And considering ubiquity's much better reputation that doesn't seem right

[@boneappletee6416]

Maybe for some people, but any company that pushes "cloud" immediately gives me the ick.

[@boneappletee6416]

Especially for networking equipment

[@daymianhogue1634]

@@boneappletee6416 I mean yeah I don't like the cloud either especially for networking gear... But that doesn't change my point at all. Ubiquity is still generally considered as the best of the "prosumer" / "small business" segment of the market. Which usually sell their stuff at an inflated price due to said reputation. Kinda like the "apple" of their field. So it's weird Omada stuff isn't at least slightly cheaper since they should be the "scrappy, underdog" with typically under dogs, under pricing relative to their market leader.

[@bentheguru4986]

You haven't been around long enough to relise what's wrong with your statement. UBNT too big for their own boots.

[@daymianhogue1634]

@@bentheguru4986 care to explain then???

[@syproful]

I really like Omada. I've started to hate Unify, with all the smarthome crap they are adding. Like you can't have a rack mounted router without a HDD slot ? What is that about.

[@jasongosselin3640]

I have to ask, when are you going to talk about used enterprise gear? Cause I can get a used enterprise Cisco switch with 48ports of 10G SFP+ goodness and 1.2 Tbps of switching capacity with far more features for $180.

[@RaidOwl]

Too loud, too much power

[@jasongosselin3640]

@@RaidOwl I'll give you loudness but I'm measuring around 90W on the wall for my N3K-3064PQ.

[@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt]

@@jasongosselin3640 For reference his "Ultimate Mini Server Rack" pulled 90 watts. For most people 90watts for a just a switch is quite a lot.

[@krisclem8290]

Hmm it seems like they borked wireguard so you would be forced to use their built in vpn.

[@APurpleSpy]

Honestly the all omada setup doesn't interest me. My wifi sucked and i already have my own router/switch, so i just ran the software on my NAS and blanketed my home in access points. Omada APs have been fantastic and are crazy affordable.

[@Joseph-ko2kl]

Quick question- Am I wrong that everything you have shown in the video is not part of the Omada line? I thought the switches were just TP-Link w/o the Omada moniker which means you could not manage them thru the UI but would need to do so thru a separate UI on the web? Just FYI- I am clueless on this network stuff TBT. I am trying to learn/understand. Not trying to bust your chops here or anything. Thanks.

[@RaidOwl]

They really need to do a better job at this since you're right in it not being clear. The switch I showed isn't technically branded as "Omada" but it will show up under their Omada products so it is supported in the ecosystem.

[@Joseph-ko2kl]

@@RaidOwl ok glad I asked since I would not have never figured it out!!

[@Cynyr]

Still in the intro, but hoping they've sorted out ipv6 by now.

[@RaidOwl]

I never touch ipv6

[@anon0054]

Starting to look like UniFi a little bit.

[@kenneencail]

Well its affordable at least.

[@georgecaballero3405]

hello, what do you think about Mikrotik?

[@RaidOwl]

I haven’t used too much of their stuff but from what I’ve seen it’s very reasonably priced and seems to have a good reputation. I’m running one of their 100G switches right now if you wanna go watch my videos on those.

[@WillieHowe]

Did TP-Link provide this gear?

[@RaidOwl]

Yeah

[@WillieHowe]

@@RaidOwl Great review!

[@variancewithin]

Why would you buy a physical controller when it should be ran in a vm for free? Also I would never put all of my switches and routers and everything on a single point that can fail. You're asking for trouble that way. The only thing you should put on that is your access points and maybe your switches. But probably just access points only would be best. Leave all your switches and L3 routers to be self managed. Now, if you wanted to be fancy you'd create a DHCP server in a vm so that it didn't matter what router you had

[@Casper042]

Brett has a 48 Port 10G-T Switch with 4 x 40Gb Uplink ports sitting in his garage somewhere and complains he doesn't have enough 10Gb ports....

[@RaidOwl]

lol it’s so loud tho!

[@Galileocrafter]

Micro USB for console access, it's 2024, just use an USB Type-C connector...

[@RaidOwl]

For real…

[@mylonov]

Maybe someone can help me understand this: how an AP with 11000Mbps of WiFi bandwidth can be saturated with 2.5G uplink? Is that just manufacturer's way of making consumers pay for a higher tier AP with 10G uplink? If so, that's still less than their theoretical WiFi bandwidth.

[@RaidOwl]

The most you'll realistically see on a single device is probably just over 1G so 2.5G is perfectly fine for a home or small office. If you have plenty of clients pushing lots of traffic through at the same time then the 10G version may be useful.

[@mylonov]

@@RaidOwl Thank you for your reply! What I can't wrap my head around is how 1G could be enough to serve even 5G WiFi at max speed. Do you have any resources on your channel to catch up on that?

[@RaidOwl]

I have a video called "What is Wifi 6" that may explain some things better

[@mgp_fsfs1722]

new vid!

[@liewchengyeh]

LoL... multiple emphasis on "FAIR"....

[@pproba]

Less than 500Mbps over WiFi 7 from 3 feet away? How could you not comment on that?

[@RaidOwl]

I mean I made a statement about why I don’t cover wifi stuff like right before that

[@DylansDecoded]

Literally he mentioned it at the start of the wifi portion of the video.

[@pproba]

@@RaidOwl yes you were mentioning that - and yet you’ve covered the access point and shared abysmal throughput benchmark results. So what’s the takeaway for the viewers? Avoid this AP at all cost because there are WiFi 6 APs with higher throughput through concrete walls? Or should we disregard the results completely because something was wrong with the test setup? Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoy watching your videos, but that part felt odd.

[@RaidOwl]

@@pproba You are a human capable of your own thought, so analyze it however you'd like.

[@RockTheCage55]

i guess its main competitor (unifi) doesn't have the controller in the units either so i guess they are equal.

[@MortenEghj]

They have

[@gaidin]

Miss your pfSense days...now you just jump from proprietary stack to the next.

[@RaidOwl]

I like trying new things

[@youdontneedmyrealname]

If only unifi would stop being so closed doors with their product line plans. Waste of parts to make such shitty wifi 7 devices line. Still waiting for a proper Wi-Fi 7 device without the 1Gb port...

[@WilliamCupples-u2n]

Jackson Scott Lee Donald Moore Carol

[@Imnotemmanuel]

Tp link trying to compete with Ubiquiti

[@tvojejbabkydedko]

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