New Orleans Businessman Clay Shaw interview 1967

Clay Laverne Shaw (March 17, 1913 - August 15, 1974) was a businessman in New Orleans, Louisiana. He was the only person prosecuted in connection with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison prosecuted Clay Shaw on the charge that Shaw and a group of right-wing activists, including David Ferrie and Guy Banister, were involved in a conspiracy with elements of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to kill President Kennedy. Garrison arrested Shaw on March 1, 1967. Garrison believed that Clay Shaw was the man named as "Clay Bertrand" in the Warren Commission Report. Garrison claimed that Shaw used the alias "Clay Bertrand" among New Orleans' gay society. He was found not guilty.
In 1979, Richard Helms, former director of the CIA, testified under oath that Clay Shaw had been a part-time contact of the Domestic Contact Service of the CIA.

[@SingleMalt77005]

Shaw says he never knew David Ferrie yet there is a photo of them together with a few other men.

[@danielsalinas6683]

There were two photos that supposedly showed them. Shaw was in both of them, but Ferrie was not. It was two other men in those photos. However, during the HSCA investigations in the 70s, Robert Tannenbaum, who acted as a deputy chief counsel, saw a film of Ferrie, Oswald, Bannister and David Attlee Phillips at a anti Castro training camp. He only saw briefly and the film ended up dissipating. Not to mention the infamous CAP bbq photo of Ferrie and Oswald from 1955.

[@moviemanmatlock]

“A great actor has just given a great performance, but not one word of truth.”

[@rawbacon]

Less than an hour to find Shaw not guilty..........Garrison was a disgusting lowlife and should have been locked behind bars.

[@vestibulate]

What an amazingly self-possessed performance. His poise and apparent confidence are all the more extraordinary when you consider the circumstances.

[@evalsoftserver]

True Psychopath

[@royfr8136]

Why? He knew nothing would happen to him....He was CIA

[@glockumollie1230]

Watch his eyes when he answers about the CIA. He's a great lier and he has had a lot of experience.

[@diturner7247]

@@royfr8136 yes they won the coup.

[@raycatlin3554]

Bullshit Tommy - boy ! Wake - up !

[@DustinBlythe]

Funny how he makes a gesture and says "cut" at the end. Was this a true interview or a forum to give Clay a chance to make himself look good?

[@DarkLight753]

The 'Cut' at the the end was a joke dude. That's all. Why make something out of nothing? Jeez.

[@ultimatepatriot]

He was CIA.

[@SF-pq3sq]

But he doesn't look all that good. His eye contact or lack of it gives that away in part. He is always looking away like he is looking for information and only when he is sure does he look down the lense raises his voice and trys to drive his point. Garrison was very correct about this man.🇦🇺🇬🇧🇺🇸

[@SF-pq3sq]

@@DarkLight753 because every thing about this man needs attention. Clay Shaw was just one of the conspirators that assasinated a Democratically elected president. The cosequences of this event has/had significant outcomes for litterally millions of people and not just in the United States. Clay Shaw is one of the most significant persons in American history. Good or bad is history determinate.🇦🇺🇬🇧🇺🇸

[@diturner7247]

@@ultimatepatriot About 3 different identities it is claimed if true definitely CIA. Only a few of Kennedys people like Garrison I trust.

[@Sitting_Judge]

The whole interview goes awfully fast, doesn't it. Like these questions were asked and answered before hand.

[@brucepyle9063]

Absolutely, Shaw even said CUT at the end. Amazing amazing tenacity.

[@tanyataylor5310]

​@@brucepyle9063more like blatantly cocky.

[@danielstanyard6996]

Yet in 1996, CIA released documents that stated Clay Shaw was given 'Five Agencies' clearance in 1949! Five Agency clearance is Top Secret clearance for Counterterrorism and was involved in many projects under the ZR/ - projects orchestrated by William K. Harvey (CIA sniper in 1963!)

[@alfiosciuto8238]

Shaw era coinvolto in attività filofasciste in Italia, dove operava sotto copertura con il Centro Mondiale Commerciale e la affiliata Permindex, espulse dall'Italia per attività sovversive.

[@kathleendobens6648]

No way that's so crazy.

[@williamballz4462]

All hail Harvey and his crazy bitch wife🤣

[@VanceJoudrey]

When the interviewer asked him if he had CIA connections or any involvement with them he said "none whatsoever" and both times he really forced a smile afterwords.BUT In 1979, Richard Helms, former director of the CIA, testified under oath that Clay Shaw had been a part-time contact of the Domestic Contact Service of the CIA, where Shaw volunteered information from his travels abroad, mostly to Latin America. THAT is not "none whatsoever".

[@RevivalOfBuzzBuzz]

And with the documentation that has come out since (DiEugenio, Mellen, Davy, Pease) it's clear Shaw was more than a contact of the DCS but a contract agent since the fifties who served in military intelligence during WWII. He's bullshitting like there's no tomorrow.

[@DarkLight753]

Do you believe facts or a Hollywood film that's made to make $$$'s?

[@RevivalOfBuzzBuzz]

You're addressing a person who is stating that Shaw lied about his C.I.A. status. I hope you're aware that there now is literally *no doubt* that he did in fact lie on this point. You can read his Agency file here: www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000904662.pdf Furthermore, CIA director Richard Helms admitted under oath that Shaw had been an Agency contact in 1979. Shaw lied about this, precisely as he lied that he didn't know Ferrie and Oswald when scores of people in New Orleans, Clinton and Jackson, Louisiana attest he knew both. I believe facts - and in this instance they are more consistent with the version presented in "J.F.K." than with the version presented by the Warren Report and its apologists.

[@muttley8818]

@@RevivalOfBuzzBuzz The document proves Shaw was never a CIA AGENT (that's the difference here between an informant (which Shaw WAS) and AGENT (which Shaw wasn't). Bit of an own goal you made there mate.

[@larrywheeler9917]

Shaw was on the board if directors of Permidex , a cia connected front group involved in cia type machinations.

[@remusdan3689]

When he talks about ”conspiracy”, he is like a student telling by heart a text previously well-learned!

[@nathueil1]

Right! I was like is he seriously telling us how you’d have to lay the groundwork? It’s like he spoke as if there was never a preconceived notion in the history of mankind at the time to do such a thing but damn he cooked that up real quick.🥶

[@glockumollie1230]

Watch his eyes when he lies about knowing David Ferry. A cab driver testified he saw Shaw, Ferry and Oswald at an apartment and there is a photo showing it. They all knew each other.

[@larrywheels762]

Shaw scripted this whole staged interview.

[@johnbuoy1401]

@@larrywheels762 well, I would imagine his handlers did 😉

[@vestibulate]

glockumollie Can you direct me to the photo? It's something I'd very much like to see.

[@Caeruleo]

@@vestibulate There is no genuine photo showing Ferrie, Oswald and Shaw together, and in fact there is also no genuine photo of just Ferrie and Shaw, or just Oswald and Shaw. This is a conspiracy myth. There are two photos which have often been mistakenly claimed to show both Ferrie and Shaw, but these were actually taken in 1949, and the person falsely identified as "Ferrie" has been conclusively identified as someone else.

[@vestibulate]

@@Caeruleo I was being facetious in asking for that non-existent photo. Sometimes it's more productive to act as though you believe someone's outrageous lie when asking for evidence. They can't deflect by claiming you're impossible to convince. In this case, my request seems to have silenced the fool.

[@zandorvorkov986]

David Ferrie also lied to Garrison when he said he didn't know Oswald, since he was an instructor in the Civil Air Patrol which Oswald joined at the age of 15. In 1995 a picture surfaced showing Oswald and Ferrie at a Civil Air Patrol meeting proving that he lied.

[@1xoACEox1]

Oswald only went there for a period of 2 months and attended a handful of meetings. Perfectly reasonable that Ferrie might not have remembered him among the hundreds if not thousands of boys in and out over the years. Even if he did remember him maybe he lied because he didn't want any association with the most Infamous man in America.

[@dillionoshea7535]

@@1xoACEox1 True indeed, the only issue is when you lie about one thing, suddenly your whole story becomes suspect and anything you say can be claimed to be a lie. If Ferris was sincere and he had nothing to do with the assassination but DID remember Oswald, it would’ve been better for him to admit as such. Credibility is HUGE (I work in Juvenile Corrections and Substance Abuse Treatment)

[@trevorn9381]

@@Joeyknows924 Interesting! Admiral Richard E. Byrd was the brother of U.S. Senator Harry Flood Byrd who ran the Democratic political machine in Virginia known as the "Byrd Organization". He was a segregationist Democrat who had no use for John F. Kennedy (and actually supported Richard Nixon in 1960.)

[@einarreitz3571]

When Ferrie heard that Oswald might have had Ferrie's library card when arrested....Ferrie went over to Oswald's boarding house and asked the landlord if she had seen his card. How did Ferrie know we're Oswald lived and why would Oswald have his library card if they didn't know each other?

[@tanyataylor5310]

​@@einarreitz3571WOW a library card made the connection. Interesting.

[@badapple9482]

This wasn't an interview this was a performance by Clay Shaw, you cant believe a word he said lol.

[@jp-legal]

Shaw did not, too. That much is certain.

[@fiachramaccana280]

@@jp-legal ? did not what.....

[@aaronz7056]

Whereas Jim Garrison was a fountain of credibility?

[@chrisschoonmaker6746]

​@@aaronz7056 If Jim Garrison didn't have a credible case,then why did both the CIA and the FBI bug his office,bug his house,threaten, and bribe his witnesses? And you think the Warren Report is credible? The Warren Report is as credible as the Bible. Both filled with outrageous fairy tales.

[@js09js09]

Tommy Lee Jones was able to portray him so accurately.

[@lenpey]

No he didn't. . . starting with that accent

[@xMorbidArtx]

@@lenpey Go on.

[@markhemming318]

With a bit of campness, to be fair .

[@afridgetoofar1818]

“You really have me consorting with a sordid cast of characters, Mr. Garrison.”

[@Allhoney33]

​@@afridgetoofar1818That line captured the narcissism and pompous character of Clay Shaw. Tommy Lee Jones definitely owned that role. His pompous prick Easter Sunday speech after getting up to leave took me right out...😂😂

[@dmoney668]

Look at how he keeps looking up and away..

[@joker167able]

He's just a gay guy

[@828enigma6]

Exactly. I'm told this is a clear sign of an untruthful or evasive answer. Gayness has nothing to do with it.

[@joker167able]

@@828enigma6 he's just camera shy

[@mdk1325]

Eyes not fixed aren't a sign of lying. You listen to the lie, you don't see it. He's CIA it's harder to control your speech tones when you smoke. Dude was thinking of this interrogation since he talked about killing Kennedy, and this interview is staged. Too fast answering. It's what's called black ops propaganda.

[@robbramos2047]

Almost as if Dr. Shaw was looking back...and to the left.

[@larrysmith2636]

Shaw rules out both the possibility of a lone assassin and conspiracy. Interesting.

[@raycatlin3554]

W-H-Y . . ? H-O-W does he come to this conclusion . .? ? What PROOF ? Ba. .ba. . bla bla . . I have a meeting to attend. . let's continue this b s interview at a more convenient time . . like never ! ! !

[@sabreflak2215]

Had highest level CIA clearance.

[@Kane6676]

He's lying about how vast and far reaching the conspiracy would have to be. You just need a few people at the top and the rest follow orders without question. He knows this

[@aaronz7056]

No, buddy, you would need to approach scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, whole commissions, congressmen, lawyers, senators, doctors, pathologists, ballistics experts, photographers, x-ray technicians, Oswald family members, the D.A., the Chief Justice, etc., and persuade them all to obey illegal orders to commit crimes and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason.

[@aaronz7056]

Actually, you would have to safely approach scores and scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, doctors, pathologists, ballistics experts, photographers, x-ray technicians, Oswald family members, whole commissions, lawyers, senators, congressmen, the D.A., the Chief Justice, shoe store clerks, etc., and persuade them all to obey illegal orders and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason.

[@themeaningoflife38]

the CIA was trying to develop a way to use cancer as a bioweapon.The doctor in charge of the plan said that lung cancer was the most aggressive. Clay Shaw and Jack Ruby both died of lung cancer.

[@raycatlin3554]

And Both Smoked . . . Bio - smokes , . . Sure to rid your cult of would-be talkers providing factual evidence !

[@fretho8410]

Shaw died from lung cancer in 1979 - 10 years after the end of the Garrison trial - it seems unlikely that anyone wanting him dead would wait this long. As for Jack Ruby, in all likelihood he knew his days were numbered by the time the Mafia contacted him and ordered him to silence Oswald for good. Putting your life at risk is less threatening knowing you're going to die soon anyway.

[@themeaningoflife38]

@@fretho8410 Declassified documents prove that Jack Ruby was a paid FBI informant and was also an informant for Richard Nixon in the 1950s. J Edgar Hoover wrote a letter to the Warren Commission informing them that Ruby worked for him.

[@paulgoblet7393]

CIA would not allow an autopsy

[@Alex-l1j7y]

CIA MK ultra doctor also paid Jack Ruby a nice visit while he was in holding. What a coincidence.

[@gregorboca90]

Tommy Lee Jones made a gret job portraying this liar.

[@CarlosPerez-wt8ff]

Limp risk and all

[@aaronz7056]

You mean in that movie that's packed with more than 80 demonstrable lies?

[@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc]

@@aaronz7056 Poor Aaronz. He has been attempting to make the lone gunman myth plausible for a very long time. Denigrating every witness, every doctor, every officer, and all the medical evidence that conflicts which is a mountain that grows by the day, the week and the month, and every year. And it will only get worse as more and more documents and evidence is discovered. He is like the Japanese soldier discovered on a remote Island that thinks he is still fighting WWII decades after the Japanese surrendered.

[@fiachramaccana280]

Cut.....says it all. A performance from beginning to end

[@gertrudemcfuzz74]

I call him Smedley. His real name's Frankie Jenkins but I can hardly imagine anything more uncouth, during dinner, then my turning toward the kitchen yelling, "FRANKIEEEEEEE!!!!" Where is all this leading to Mr. Garrison?

[@TheMotz55]

LOL Tommy Lee Jones did a great job, didn't he?. I could hear his voice as I read your post. "FRANKIEEEEEEE!!!"

[@mazzarouni5608]

Yes indeed TLJ did a great job. In fact the whole cast did a great job !

[@carolusparvus]

I agree in principle. But did you know that someone by the name Smedley Butler, a United States Marine Corps major general prevented a fascist coup d'etat in the US?

[@davidmuse1351]

That is great, Kitty! So is "I wish to extend to each of you, and to each of your families, my best wishes for a Happy Easter."

[@dandy_griffith]

The Quarter is filled with vivid imaginations, my dear Mr. Garrison; begrime young hoodlums who will say and do ANYTHING, as you well know.

[@blackhickoryblack70]

he was lying look at his eyes

[@joker167able]

He's nervous because he's gay and hiding in the closet

[@marcelfr90]

@@joker167able Not all gay men are flamboyant, mate.

[@jamesmiller9515]

@@marcelfr90 "You're all mine, Mary"...David Ferrie to Clay Shaw during Bondage session...

[@vernpascal1531]

This is the type of guy lone nutters defend... I don't know if he was involved with the Assassination,but he damn sure was involved with Ferrie and Oswald.

[@marcelfr90]

Shaw and Ferrie, for sure. Oswald was supervised by Ferrie. Ferrie did fuck teenage boys... Hmm.....

[@randyharris3175]

So your point is void.

[@randyharris3175]

@@marcelfr90 Really you sound like you got personal exoerience.

[@marcelfr90]

@@randyharris3175 Idiotic comment!

[@randyharris3175]

@@marcelfr90 Lol is it true?

[@johnnieneal6077]

Garrison was on to them if the jury found Shaw guilty he would had talked and told on others

[@aaronz7056]

Pity the jury decided within minutes of starting deliberations this crackpot had no credible case.

[@RevivalOfBuzzBuzz]

"You know, I wasn't guilty of what Garrison charged. But Garrison had the right idea. He was almost right. Someone like me, with a background in army intelligence and post-war intelligence connections, very well might have been asked to meet with someone like Oswald or Ferrie, to give them a package or some money or whatever, and I would have faithfully done it without ever asking what I was doing it for." -Clay Shaw, speaking to George Dureau ("A Farewell to Justice" by Joan Mellen, p. 317)

[@larrywheels762]

Very true. These operations are compartmentalized. Shaw or ferrie or Oswald would be directed to be somewhere. Pass a message to someone, deliver a package, go between for money, that how gun running was done.

[@jb-vb8un]

" compartmentalized " .... OH NO, NOT THAT - - WE'RE DOOOOMED .... DOOOOOOMMMED

[@bryanbradley6871]

He knew he was going get off

[@dannyregal]

Yeh and clay would of dutifully given a blow job..,without asking questions Yeh right Anyone who's a Wordsworth or analyses speech understands clay shaw Understand that the right people can interpret this He is being clever All you need to know is clay is nutdeep

[@johncooper7663]

Lmao, Garrison had the right idea.

[@stephenmartin2737]

Shaw said he had no connection to the agency, but Richard helms once stated that shaw had in fact been a contract agent for the CIA which full exonerated jim garrison

[@aaronz7056]

He said Shaw gave info to the Domestic Contact Service, as did thousands of other travellers, journalists and businessmen. Big deal.

[@rubytat5092]

this man was lying !!! watch his actions and eyes!

[@jaysonv2]

good observation I notice that too

[@jarreauforney1035]

you just all ready have your mind made up if you listen to him he is 100 percent right. all these people will have to be Involved in conspiracy if that's the case it don't make sense. won't you think for yourself and figure out the facts on your own cause like most conspiracy nuts u just listen to other people

[@regkray9872]

Jarreau Forney who do you work for?

[@vernpascal1531]

Clone Nutters think solid upstanding citizens like Shaw and Ferrie,LBJ, Rather,Ford,Mob Bosses are truthful. No wonder these assholes worship Magic Bullets.

[@fernandoaguilar4759]

Asesino!!!!!

[@adamkane5205]

2.03 to 2.23. This was the truth but he pre-empted it with - if it were a conspiracy. What a slimey piece of work this guy is. Compartmentalization is how it works.

[@curiousspectator7295]

he's lying

[@danahsutton101]

We now know that the doctors at Parkland were told to keep quiet about what they saw. The doctors said there was a softball size exit wound at the right back area of the head. Also an entrance wound to the throught. These shots could not have been fired by Oswald.

[@aaronz7056]

Want to keep your coup top secret? No problem! Just go around openly threatening every high-profile witness and top doctor at this major hospital they'll get their legs broke if they don't spend the rest of their lives lying their asses off about what happened. LOL Never mind that those doctors talked openly and freely about the assassination from the time it happened, often to conspiracy authors. You know full well the doctors are plainly seen at their first press conference speculating wildly about the wounds, unable to conjecture about numbers, trajectories, etc. You know full well the doctors examined the autopsy photos on NOVA in 1988 and had no particular problem with them. You know full well the few who saw the throat wound's original appearance only said it "appeared" to be an entrance wound, something subsequently proven to be erroneous. Those doctors were scrambling to save Kennedy's life, they were not conducting an autopsy and had no idea what had happened back in the plaza.

[@clayvegas]

When your eyes dart around the room it means you haven't a care about what you're saying, if it's true or not it doesn't matter. Perhaps that's stated more clearly when he ends it with Cut and safe wave of hands. That's cold blooded right there

[@evalsoftserver]

True Psychopath

[@suejuede525]

On the contrary. When eyes dart around the room. Your trying to fabricate a message.

[@johnnycash1365]

When your eyes move, it doesn't mean anything!

[@myronhelton4441]

Your real name is a boy called Sue.

[@jb-vb8un]

@clubdegas - is that via the CLUTCH CARGO EYE-DARTING DECODER handbook ?? Maaaan, how'd I ever get along without that ....

[@agamemnon419]

Shaw was not a leftist. He was very conservative & right wing.

[@Halotest100]

All LBJ had to do was pull rank and that is what happened.

[@tom6612]

The old "someone would have talked by now" canard. For those who still believe no one did talk i suggest they get ahold of Larry Hancocks book "Someone Would Have Talked". Someone did talk and his name was John Martino

[@marty177]

Thanks for the post.

[@NickTchernikov]

The most telling part of this video of his insincerity is at the end... the way Shaw cheesily says 'John F Kennedy said that.. *shrugs* ... cut," as if he truly is aware that this is an act or like a movie shot.

[@michaelfuller2378]

Garrison had it right, this dude was guilty as sin. Never knew Oswald, lol!!

[@dominiclacoote2855]

Shaw knew everything from Ferrie involvement

[@mtracy9]

Shaw's International Trade Mart was a subsidiary of a shadowy entity known as the Centro Mondiale Commerciale. The Trade Mart was connected with Centro Mondiale Commerciale (CMC) through yet another shadowy firm named Permindex. It is fascinating to note that in the 1962 edition of Who's Who in the South and Southwest, Shaw gave biographical information stating that he was on the board of directors of Permindex. However in the 1963-64 edition, the reference to Permindex was dropped.

[@larrywheels762]

Shaw slipped on that one. That organization was a Cia front group. They fixed the typo in the next edition.

[@LoneNutter1]

@john48martin There are a few sources worth looking at regarding the Clay Shay trial. There's a segment in the ABC program "The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy". It's hosted by Peter Jennings and in the later portion of the program they talk to people that worked for Garrison and their involvement in the Shaw trial. The book "American Grotesque" is an account of the Shaw trial and while the author admittedly sympathizes with Shaw, it offers a unique perspective of the trial.

[@AlsCollectibles]

Thanks for sharing

[@heart_of_Pluto]

Most of those involved are long dead by now and died with their secrets. Clay shaw firstly said, ironically, the DPD. Well, it is rumored that the knoll fatal shot came from one Roscoe White, a CIA agent working the Dallas police force during the time frame of the assassination who had connections with Jack Ruby. He acted (while in uniform) with a team of shooters/other agents in triangulated crossfire, unknown to the police force and later he killed Tippit because he somehow figured him out or knew about it and was going to snitch on him. He was going to kill Oswald too but he got away and ran and hid in the theatre... Then since he couldn't get him after he was arrested, he got Ruby to kill him because Oswald was going to snitch, rightfully so too because they were fucking him over either way. From what I've learned that makes about the most sense. Claw Shaw was just big money, shot caller, organizer. He wasn't the only one. He was a great bold face liar though I'll give him that.

[@SingleMalt77005]

So what is the bottom line here? Who do you think was behind the murder?

[@heart_of_Pluto]

@@SingleMalt77005 a whole network of people stemming from the CIA. Fatal shot came from the knoll, secret agent most likely Roscoe White working for DPD, unbeknownst to them. There were agents in the book depository, 2 individuals. One was also a shooter. Then one in the DalTex building or whichever the third building was, got a shot in the back or missed, don't know. From everything I've gathered. In short, the CIA did most of it. LBJ knew about it, one of his guys (Malcolm Wallace) was in the book depository building on the sixth floor, Lee Oswald wasn't in the snipers window or even on that floor, most likely he was minding his own business trying to play calm, (Lee probably once had a role but decided to back out of it which is why they chose him as the Patsy.) Power got cut off in the building right before the shots rang out. You got to really dig to find this stuff but it's out there.

[@heart_of_Pluto]

@@SingleMalt77005 you could say the military industrial complex greenlighted and assisted in the assassination as well by limiting the amount of security that would be present and things of that nature. They wanted their war in Vietnam. But the CIA did the dirty work. I think the mafia is tied in only thru the CIA, as they were to help them with their placing, surroundings, connections, lookouts and perhaps even weapons. CIA is the only entity who could have gotten away with it Scott free, the mob couldn't have gotten away with the shooting, the government wouldn't have covered their asses or erased their tracks like they did for the CIA. It was a whole web of entities at play and no one could be found guilty for it. Some country huh?

[@tanyataylor5310]

WOW!

[@fritzforsthoefel8031]

Conspiracy theories are maney do you have any idea how maney different conspiracys have been put forth fact is both brothers of the president agreed with the warren commission

[@bobsteel6916]

All them CIA agents are kind of into fruity weird things, including Clay (Flamer) Shaw.

[@fretho8410]

Seems like a rehearsed performance where Shaw has been given the questions in advance. The end of the interview is quite remarkable and indicative that this is anything but a genuine interview.

[@wndrmiikeent]

Damn he was lying like hell

[@agamemnon419]

@LoneNutter1 If you read the CIA documents on Clay Shaw that have been released since the passing of the JFK Act they indicate that Shaw was briefed in advance by the CIA & given areas to investigate in each country he would travel. He was given assignments by the Agency. He was a CIA operative.

[@KingfisherLtd]

Tommy Lee Jones has created exact replica of Shaw in JFK

[@lenpey]

No he didn't- starting with that b.s. accent Jones talks in.

[@jonjones7137]

@@lenpey 🤣

[@carlosgale6777]

Minute 4:00 He gives it all. All of those involved in the assassination of JFK! He's so enthralled and swirled in his own delusion and dark lie, that he spills the depths of his secrets. That's what happens to these individuals had descended so low in their vibes and vortexes. That they would give themselves speaking in these kind of interviews.

[@alexespinoza6366]

This guy banged Kevin Bacon?!

[@layneroschen1487]

1 degree of separation

[@Evenflo76]

I'd you have doubts, research who owned the Texas School Book Depository in 1963.

[@lenpey]

A guy named D. Harold Byrd. What of it?

[@larrywheels762]

A Texas oil supporter of LBJ. Owned defense contracts for huge military profits if the Vietnam War was expanded. Very much anti Kennedy, like all the right-wing Texas oilmen.

[@09rja]

One of the most maligned people I've ever seen. He didn't deserve it. There is nothing that proves he had anything to do with the assassination. And he (in fact) was a supporter of Kennedy in his run in '60. His contact with the CIA (via the DCS) is to be expected considering his travels. RIP sir.

[@FGTFJT]

i was about to say the same. his eyes blink like crazy. that is a sign he is hiding or being told what to say. he was nervous while he did this interview.

[@jb-vb8un]

OH GAWD NOOOO - not the oi ' " EYE BLINK LIKE CRAZY " caper .... ITS THE END OF THE WOOOORLD

[@leesawyer2328]

I guess the photo of Lee Oswald, David Ferrie and him together was not know then?

[@balerjohnson3099]

He mentioned death bed confessions that would not happen until Lee Howard Hunt spilled the beans .

[@jp-legal]

Shaw was quite prophetic and inspiring in that. It is a tricky teasing concerning the many suddenly died witnesses. So it is logical for him to connect confession to death (bed). If you remind the sudden fate of Shaw´s friend Ferrie. It is clear that he feared for his own life at this point.

[@BaddaBing2001]

This dude is smooth.

[@MrJimmorgan100]

Of course we now know per cia documents that he was a highly paid operative of the cia.

[@Jon8010]

+James Morgan he most definitely was not a "highly paid operative", you've been watching too much JFK

[@LoneNutter1]

@recruit71 correct theory and what is the compelling aspect that makes all the other theories wrong?

[@mielecole]

the district attorney,jim garrison was correct.this man was apsulutly guilty.

[@garyvanarsdale3142]

Outing homosexuals in the 60's ruined lives - perfect Agency recruiting strategy.

[@khaosanimagoddessofthevoid1023]

He feels in this video like he's both lying and telling the truth.

[@lisolis6017]

"Literally thousand of characters"

[@zandorvorkov986]

At 2:38, he says in the 4 years intervening there would have been a deathbed confession? So, 4 years after killing Kennedy, the plotter or plotters would have been dying in bed of old age!?

[@jp-legal]

Funny enough it is quite prophet style because his cia fellow Howard Hunt named the grassy knoll shooter Lucien Sarti in his book "American Spy: My Secret History in the CIA, Watergate, and Beyond", published in 2004 (3 years before his death). Howard Hunt and Shaw were connected through "QKENCHANT". So obviously Hunt was at least privy to intimate assassination knowledge and connection to Shaw who was connected to the patsy Oswald and the assumed crime scene TSBD owner Byrd. In a subtile coded as if style he made a theme, that the conspiracy involved many people and speaking about it is connected in his mind with "death(bed)" which was true for so many died or murdered witnesses as Ferrie who "wrote a goodbye letter" before he died suddenly on a aneurysm.

[@Imtahotep]

@@jp-legal Two suicide notes. Both typed. Only to die of an aneurysm. The hit teams didn't need to be accuate, just persistent. And the murder rate picks up just around the time HSCA investigators come calling. Like George DeMohrenschildt for example, whose wife Jeanne LeGon was the dress designer for "Nardis of Dallas" a company owned by Abraham Zapruder.

[@larrywheels762]

In Texas a lot of people who knew ruby and Oswald were fearful of coming forward. And rightfully so.

[@raycatlin3554]

@@jp-legal Ha ha ha , 2 Suicide Notes ! ! !

[@nathueil1]

They predicted and knew where it would eventually end up and how people would have to address JFKs assassination. Here we are in 2023 and what he said in that interview aptly applies today.

[@kaderickdavis6787]

He’s a scary looking dude.

[@bowlerguy426]

Like watching A-Rod lie to Katie Couric

[@sethmanrockandroll]

I assume that you've been puffing on the Bugliosi cigar. In which case, I'm sure that there are people who think that he's a little warped for thinking Dan Rather to be a reliable newsman on the Assassination. In all those thousand pages of his book, I was very fascinated to discover that Bugliosi doesn't mention Dan Rather's verbal reenactment of the Zapruder film where he gives an account of " reviewing the tape" and speaking completely contrary to everything we have seen from that tape.

[@brucehauge1391]

What a liar. Robert Groden's book shows him with Ferrie at one of those gay parties.

[@SMC01ful]

No, he's definitely lying in this interview, but unfortunately, it turn's out none of the guys in the pictures with Shaw are Ferrie. Nevertheless, it certainly proves he was keen on partying with some truly shitty hair pieces. One of the more interesting pictures of a possible Oswald/Shaw connection are those of Oswald handing out FPCC leaflets in New Orleans. One of the background figures walking towards the International Trade Mart and looking at Oswald could well be Shaw. Nevertheless, evidence compiled by Jim DiEugenio and William Davy clearly indicate Shaw as mentioned was clearly lying.

[@aaronz7056]

This would be the same Groden who rotates autopsy photos to suit his agenda, acknowledges the 3 tramps were ID'd and cleared, then later refers to the "so-called tramps," and gives his middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer slain in the line of duty as he opines away without evidence the man was a conspirator...

[@wunderdoggy]

Let's not forget cia-agent Victor Marchetti's admission that he realised Shaw was part of the agengy at a meeting when he was informed the agency was putting its full resources behind Mr Shaw during the Garrison trial.

[@larrywheels762]

Shaw name came up to give him help in the Garrison trial from the highest levels of the Cia. Director Helms himself .

[@Walt78]

Tommy Lee Jones really nailed it with his performance of Clay Shaw. Amazing!

[@XRPSwan]

This house he is in, 1313 Dauphine, went for sale in March 2023, and when you look at the pictures, this guy really lived in a very modest home. Unlike what is portrayed in the 1992 film.

[@charleslennon1]

When he's lieing he locks down to the right. When he's being "honest" he looks up to his left.

[@johnbrennan2028]

Back and to the left , back and to the left!

[@luckybestwash]

Sorry I don't recognize him without his gold paint, black cape and ball gag

[@agamemnon419]

There's Huge Documentation on Clay Shaw's CIA career !

[@themeaningoflife38]

like Secret Service agent Emory Roberts who told agents to stay behind at love field and ordered them off the limo as it entered Dealey Plaza.Roberts was a good buddy of LBJ's.

[@raycatlin3554]

There are MAINTENANCE tunnels under the city & Gr8t shooting possibilities from the water drain gratings. . hmm. Can spot'em in Zap's footage , good for a throat , head shot & walk the fk away at your convenience like an average shitizen ! SO S-A-D . . .

[@konstantinpakhomov3910]

Good old fascism

[@davewallace8219]

the man is articulate....composed and professional....id employ him in a minute as an intelligence officer!

[@salvadorealiberto]

Lovely voice and style of speech.

[@cuppasilverbullets]

He should of been charged with perjury because he was involved with the CIA

[@FightingRimbaud]

Notice when he says “if there were a conspiracy it would have had to involved...” and proceeds to name various government entities. Funny to note which agency he leaves out!

[@7descent736]

He instantly named all the parties that would have been involved excluding the CIA. The way he rapidly spent that s*** out was scariest f***.

[@originalkingalpha5116]

Isn't this the guy that had a dresser and closet full of dil- I mean dill pickles?🥒🍻😂

[@carolyn1256]

Liar liar pants on fire

[@SebMenard]

Carolyn H liar liar.. murderer is more appropriate

[@Mr101spb]

He looks guilty. He's lied about not being in the CIA (either him or director Richard Helms who said he was lied). Saying cut at the end makes it all sound fake.

[@dustanskora3371]

Garrison had a weak case, but came closer than you may think. Unfortunately, he was compromised.

[@NCFB4Life33]

@LoneNutter1 you are indeed a lone nut, everyone knows that clay shaw was a part of the assassination and i really don't want to discuss it anymore

[@LoneNutter1]

@Getsen42 I own the JFK film and the accompanying documentary and have watched it many times. I give credit to the movie JFK for being the catalyst that got me to re-think my long held beliefs that JFK was felled by a conspiracy. I was willing to challenge my long-held beliefs about a "conspiracy" and began to read material that had a different opinion. You should read "American Grotesque". It's about the Clay Shaw trial. Perhaps you'll be similarly inspired as I was.

[@philsooty61]

one of the biggest liars ever recorded on film

[@pajasa62]

"Conspiracy so waste to boggle the imagination"....and there it is. Something 50 YEARS AFTER the tragic event in Dallas, that conspiracy theorists aren't able to play out in their heads....and if they attempt to, they will always have to introduce phantom events and people in any discussion.

[@palhein-reim7430]

The word “debonaire” was coined to describe Clay Shaw.

[@brosephyolonarovichstalin2915]

Murderous fag is more accurate

[@adamredfield]

It is a shame that this completely innocent man was first persecuted by a genuine fascist (I do not use the word lightly), Garrison and then re-victimized again by Oliver Stone.

[@DarkLight753]

Well said Adam

[@jamessibson7453]

Oh so true!! So tragically true!!

[@HeyButWhy]

He does look to our left when asked those juiciest questions? CIA/Ferrie/Innocence? Then to out right when he is contemplating, and straight ahead when sure of his answer…

[@davidvictor52]

Luke 12:2 The time is coming when everything that is covered up will be revealed, and all that is secret will be made known to all.

[@imurprisoner1]

Dave Graham amen!

[@PatrickFoley-vf3lr]

We will never know the full story.

[@oldermuscleguy]

This guy looked like an old man and he was my age 61/62 😂😂😆🙋🏻😴

[@matthewlaurence3121]

He was 61 at the time of his death from lung cancer, only 54 at the time of this interview. He had prematurely grey hair, and smoking accelerates the ageing process. But at the same time, people really did age and expire quicker in those days. My own father is 64 today and he does not look anywhere near as old and tired as Clay Shaw did in his early 50s; or Garrison, for that matter, in his 40s.

[@oldermuscleguy]

+Matthew Laurence (Matternick-europhile) Sounds right especially on smoking accelerating the aging .Plus diet eating healthy and exercising daily adds to the fact of looking and feeling younger but also genetics play a big part cause there are smokers who live to be 100 and Jack LaLanne famous fitness guy in the 50s and 60s lived to 96 which isnt too shabby as well

[@jimbobjimjim6500]

People looked older in those days, too much estrogeon in our food and water supply today. This feminizes males causing men to look just like big boys, and hyperfeminizes women causing to look like big girls. Thats why there are no Steve McQueens today but plenty of Shya Le Boufs.

[@eduardoflores7661]

Norman Witt nope at the day he was interviewed he had 54 years old.

[@TELEVISIONARCHIVES]

Jim Garrison was a joke.

[@jamesbeckham7046]

He just admitted his guilt indirectly n was in control of the interview.

[@Holy_hand-grenade]

I would have believed him more if he would have been honest about his dislike of JFK’s policies

[@mortalclown3812]

The only thing worse than Mr. Shaw not smiling was when he tried to do so. After so long eluding truth for various reasons, one wonders if a person loses the ability to discern it at all. Then again, that is major slack-cutting I'm doing here. Overall? Troubled, fiendish sort of fellow.

[@brotherwolf3588]

A well re-hearsed pantomime with the connivance of the media at the time.

[@SedriqMiers]

In seven years he'd be gone.

[@J.Trujillo]

I call him Smedley. His real name is Frankie Jenkins.

[@LoneNutter1]

@sean2015 OK. Let's assume he lied during this interview. What does it prove?

[@bradjustin2573]

if lbj says close the case then its closed you don't need 1,000 characters also shaw was close friends with duputy director of cia who's brother was the mayor of dallas im also sure shaw was banging edwin walker so it's a small world