NEW Porsche 911 Targa 4S (992): Road Review | Carfection 4K

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3 жыл бұрын

The 911 Targa is certainly a looker with its sleek rear screen and roll hoop but would you take it over the Cabriolet? Henry Catchpole finds out.
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@Zeppelin180
@Zeppelin180 3 жыл бұрын
Came for Henry, stayed for the physics lesson.
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
Gentian blue is one of the worst colors
@shogun2215
@shogun2215 3 жыл бұрын
I've always had a soft spot for the Targa, for me it's the best looking 911. And usually putting the windows down as well as the roof does get rid of that buffeting noise.
@rolandleap1
@rolandleap1 3 жыл бұрын
No doubt. Something about the simplicity of having that stainless(silver) hoop makes this car pop. Wonderful looking thing.
@akkual
@akkual 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, from physics point of view, putting down the windows should destroy the Helmholtz resonator structure here, or at least make it significantly less effective.
@Closertotruth2
@Closertotruth2 3 жыл бұрын
I own both a 2019 Targa PDK and a 2018 Cabriolet manual. Definitely more wind noise in the Targa than the Cab. Windows down in the Targa helps a lot. But the Targa looks better in my opinion.
@jeangt9865
@jeangt9865 3 жыл бұрын
@@Closertotruth2: Which out of the two do you enjoy the most and more fun to drive? Considering one being a manual and the other an auto.
@Closertotruth2
@Closertotruth2 3 жыл бұрын
Jean GT Manual is much more fun in my opinion.
@angamgolmei
@angamgolmei 3 жыл бұрын
The Targa model is my favourite 911 of the lot.
@TheG60528XiJinPing
@TheG60528XiJinPing 3 жыл бұрын
If there was a manual,two wheel drive, turbo s with the fender vents and the targa roof. It would be the best car ever made imo.
@victordasilva5255
@victordasilva5255 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, now I don’t have to post this , I just like yours
@kyew5173
@kyew5173 3 жыл бұрын
Carter retraC would weigh more than 4k pounds though
@TheG60528XiJinPing
@TheG60528XiJinPing 3 жыл бұрын
@@kyew5173 SO BE IT. Just add more power haha
@TheG60528XiJinPing
@TheG60528XiJinPing 3 жыл бұрын
800 sounds about right
@Ysf345Gaming
@Ysf345Gaming 3 жыл бұрын
Targa is much better than Cabriolet. This car looks amazing!
@dylanh1978
@dylanh1978 3 жыл бұрын
Fully agree, looks far better than the cabriolet.
@Mazda6B6
@Mazda6B6 3 жыл бұрын
to each his own
@constantine2016
@constantine2016 3 жыл бұрын
Both of them are brilliant
@gusseisern1151
@gusseisern1151 3 жыл бұрын
Formula1videos better ? Why ?
@freudsigmund72
@freudsigmund72 3 жыл бұрын
on looks the targa wins, but if I can afford a 911, it would still be the cabriolet to trade in my Z4 m40i for.
@kevinwilliams1421
@kevinwilliams1421 3 жыл бұрын
That wind noise really does come across in this video
@Jaidezilla
@Jaidezilla 3 жыл бұрын
Especially through headphones or earbuds
@jamesyeh3877
@jamesyeh3877 3 жыл бұрын
Bass boosted
@LitleBear
@LitleBear 3 жыл бұрын
I drove my uncles 991.2 Targa and I was shocked at how much wind noise there was even at cruising speeds.
@bhaysilartdevera5997
@bhaysilartdevera5997 3 жыл бұрын
ShakeyBurne lucky
@gsxawd981
@gsxawd981 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe if he’d put the windows down? Why take the top down only to drive with the windows up?
@911scales
@911scales 3 жыл бұрын
When you buy a 911 you want something very special and novel! Which the 911 with it's special heritage and layout already is. The Targa is that turned up to 11 - that's why we all love it and don't care if it's heavy or if it's not as good as the cabriolet. We all simply love it! Spotting a Targa is like spotting a GT3 - it is that special and I can't wait to get my hands one it 🤩
@Krauser1226
@Krauser1226 3 жыл бұрын
This 100%. When you have vehicles like the 911, passion and heritage play a huge part. It's why the 911 is still the sole rear engine layout vehicle in a world of mid-engine performance cars. The Targa is the same, it's heritage and the tradition of what makes a 911 a 911 being kept alive. It's an icon.
@sanghoonlee5171
@sanghoonlee5171 3 жыл бұрын
For me, there are 2 main considerations when choosing a convertible: the car must look good with the roof up or down, and the wind noise must not be acceptable. Most reviews don't mention the wind noise, so I appreciate Henry starting his review with it.
@sharifaismaila5009
@sharifaismaila5009 Жыл бұрын
Which convertible would you choose based on these 2 characteristics? And what’s your opinion on the targa?
@Monkey80llx
@Monkey80llx 3 жыл бұрын
The arm around the the lamp post analogy was simply brilliant! Anyone who’s ever driven a car with handling that good will no doubt be smiling too! Also love the genuine and cheeky grins into camera. Another interesting and thought provoking review, regardless of how affordable for the viewer the car is. Thank you Carfection.
@olivergriffiths4445
@olivergriffiths4445 3 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly what I thought
@mateogalguera9089
@mateogalguera9089 3 жыл бұрын
I think “sales and sentimentality” just about encapsulates most of Porsche’s major decisions post 997.
@lohithreddy6629
@lohithreddy6629 3 жыл бұрын
Mateo Galguera and why is that?
@krys8494
@krys8494 3 жыл бұрын
Lohith Reddy he was burning to use a big word lol
@shivang15
@shivang15 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Porsche since 2 years, but I cant even imagine myself sitting in this car! What will I even be doing sitting "inside" this car? Its so beautiful that I just want to look at it all day. Its for my eyes not some lucky passerby's. This car is so beautiful that I just need a perfect model of this on my desk.
@AlexSami-qw4qu
@AlexSami-qw4qu 3 жыл бұрын
Saturday morning. Coffee. Carfection 911 review. Life's good.
@GearHeadTour
@GearHeadTour 3 жыл бұрын
I never knew the origin of the word Targa. Thanks, Carfection. I learned something today.
@GearHeadTour
@GearHeadTour 3 жыл бұрын
@RichJW see 7:05 and it says the name was suggested by a Porsche sales director, to name it after a Sicilian road race.
@FBodyFans
@FBodyFans 3 жыл бұрын
@@GearHeadTour " ...in the same way that the Carerra had come from the Carrera Panamericana race."
@therealcrobb6265
@therealcrobb6265 3 жыл бұрын
Learn something new every day.
@paulthorpe766
@paulthorpe766 3 жыл бұрын
@@GearHeadTour Yes Targa Florio in Sicily - I did it with Dickie Meaden in 2000 in my GT3 996.1 LHD with Evo Jan 2001 edition.
@kendalainsley
@kendalainsley 3 жыл бұрын
Cool
@slopesripper
@slopesripper 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the history bit and pictures very much. Thank you Carfection team for bringing us these wonderful car videos. Exceptional quality.
@boobyoki
@boobyoki Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this review! I found it honest, informative, and a must-see if you're thinking about getting a Targa. After much research on 911s, I had my mind made up on a 911 Carrera 4S. After months of waiting for a new one to come to my dealership (they didn't know when they were getting a build allocation from Porsche) and being told I could be waiting over a year, I was told they had a build configuration on a new Targa 4 GTS that could be delivered mid-January '23. After test driving a '19 Targa GTS, I was sold!! I loved its looks, the way it handled, it was plenty fast enough for me (473 HP; 420 lb/ft Torque), and the amazing engineering of that top opening and closing! I was tempted to watch it do its thing over and over! I configured a 2023 911 Targa 4 GTS in Agate Grey Metallic. It's scheduled for a mid-January '23 delivery date! It's been my dream car since high school! I'm a very lucky man!!
@mrdeliano2862
@mrdeliano2862 3 жыл бұрын
Henry + Porsche = Perfection✨
@Monkeyman-xw5sd
@Monkeyman-xw5sd 3 жыл бұрын
No it equals Carfection
@TheTerrier
@TheTerrier 3 жыл бұрын
@@Monkeyman-xw5sd laughed out loud at that
@atlasrex
@atlasrex 2 жыл бұрын
I own a 2021 Targa and trust me - there is no horrible wind noise - even with the windows up. Sometimes you get some wind coming from behind- but pop one window down an inch and that goes away. I am 6’2” and the top of my head is below the wind coming over the top of the windshield unlike my Corvette c7 Grand sport that numbs the top of my head from the wind buffeting. Also I rarely pop the wind diverter on the top of the windshield as it causes too much noise and does not reduce the wind issues. The weight? Add one passenger and that is more than the weight difference. Silly to worry about a small amount of additional weight in a car that is designed for going to lunch with a gal rather than running on a track. Cabriolet is ugly with the top up - and won’t keep your dog safe in the back seat with the cabriolet top down like the Targa back curved windshield. Unlike this fellow that had the Targa for a day I own my car and in less than three months I have driven 6,000 miles in my Targa. This 2021 Targa is the best vehicle I have ever owned almost a religious experience on long desert freeways with the top down and on cold days the heated steering wheel and heated seats and air system pumping warm air at your feet. And in hot conditions/ the a/c pumps out massive cold air and the cooled seats washes your back in cold air as well. A fabulous car- finest and most fun car I have ever owned- and over 70 years I have owned plenty of fancy cars. Also if your a big guy-tall and or pudgy - this 911 is the one of the most comfortable cars I have driven over long or short distances. It hunkers down on long freeway rides and you never want to stop driving.
@trevormacdougall9385
@trevormacdougall9385 7 ай бұрын
Great comment !
@ananddullabh
@ananddullabh 3 жыл бұрын
100% the best looking 911 in the new 992 generation for sure! Good call and cheer for the review Henry!
@seeingthelight3608
@seeingthelight3608 3 жыл бұрын
Great presentation, again. History behind the Targa was the cherry on top of the cake.
@mthokozisidelwa
@mthokozisidelwa 3 жыл бұрын
Henry is the best when it comes to reviews🔥🔥
@daniel635biturbo
@daniel635biturbo 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in deep water here, coming with critique on one of the greatest KZbin channels. Can I please ask for "metric" Nm values as a compliment to imperial units, at least as an added text in the bottom. If not I will keep pressing pause, just to do my maths.
@olivergriffiths4445
@olivergriffiths4445 3 жыл бұрын
Just ask Siri, takes about 5 seconds and super easy
@cmoney360CS
@cmoney360CS 3 жыл бұрын
No
@jamespink4202
@jamespink4202 3 жыл бұрын
Nice review Henry. I had a '73 911T targa that was a delight. Naturally brilliant given the beans and dead handy for timber transport restoring my house. Love your channel. James
@conormorris
@conormorris 3 ай бұрын
I was in one of these 2 days ago in an amazing red. I haven't been in a 911 since a 1997 turbo, the bad boys 911. And in my opinion it still has the 911 vibe. I knew looking for this that Henry would have a video on it. Thanks Henry, always a brilliant reviewer.
@marioranteri8775
@marioranteri8775 3 жыл бұрын
I learnt to drive with this car, it will forever be in my heart❤️
@hertzair1186
@hertzair1186 3 жыл бұрын
Porsche has to do something about that “hey that guy left his trunk open” rear spoiler....
@jamespink4202
@jamespink4202 3 жыл бұрын
I had a '73 Targa T and drove everywhere with the roof stowed. Absolutely lovely car... £2000 in Munich
@mattjonesgt3538
@mattjonesgt3538 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome as always Henry.
@maximo90019
@maximo90019 3 жыл бұрын
There's no better escape than ten minutes with Carfection
@raggedy7
@raggedy7 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Love the Rapha shirt!
@Jb001jb
@Jb001jb 3 жыл бұрын
Very impressed seeing the roof folding. Imagine the engineering behind that mechanism. Unreal..
@speed_racer
@speed_racer Жыл бұрын
My 2011 MX5 Hardtop did the same, and could do that while driving. I’ve got a 911 now, but the top was executed better in the Mazda.
@murcielagosv9244
@murcielagosv9244 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these reviews
@colinhardy7203
@colinhardy7203 3 жыл бұрын
Henry, you are so right. I had something of a Cabriolet/Targa debate but eventually decided on the Cab for just the reasons you give. Targa does look so lovely though eh?!
@simoncouldry7174
@simoncouldry7174 3 жыл бұрын
Steeple Bumpstead to Finchingfield! One of my favourite roads.... and on my doorstep as I live in Bumpstead! Great review as always Henry.
@HawkMillFarm
@HawkMillFarm 3 жыл бұрын
Simon Couldry Didn’t spot that,will now have to watch for a third time!
@ArvindSingh-hf2zd
@ArvindSingh-hf2zd Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your review. It helped me me decide.
@gsayers8388
@gsayers8388 2 жыл бұрын
When I watched my uncle put the top down on his it made almost no noise. It was amazing.
@VirtualToursTravel
@VirtualToursTravel 3 жыл бұрын
Such a lovely video! This video is amazing! Thanks for sharing :)
@CarandDrivingCarReviews
@CarandDrivingCarReviews 3 жыл бұрын
Check out our NEW Porsche 911 review!
@infidel900rr
@infidel900rr 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for another great review.
@johnT5
@johnT5 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 1984 white on black Targa...an old twin of this car in the review..and it's magic. I'd probably buy this if I were looking for new. Great and honest vid. Thx.
@redskytitan
@redskytitan 3 жыл бұрын
Love the Targa, just ordered myself one today 😀
@joebloggs4191
@joebloggs4191 3 жыл бұрын
This is the first video I have seen on the 911 targa that mentions the buffeting issue. However for me there is simply no contest if I was to buy a 911 today be it a 992 or 991 it would have to be the Targa it just looks so freaking cool!
@businessguide6219
@businessguide6219 3 жыл бұрын
Your channel definitely deserves my subs!
@ciprianchirilov1039
@ciprianchirilov1039 3 жыл бұрын
Such a beautiful thing to look at
@NineHellHeaven
@NineHellHeaven 3 жыл бұрын
One of my neighbours has the 991 version. Gorgeous car.
@TheRichardmintern
@TheRichardmintern 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. great video.
@sarathsanjeev9409
@sarathsanjeev9409 3 жыл бұрын
dear sound engineer of carfection, how did you pick up that wind buffeting? Its annoying and almost fascinating at the same time lol
@suhassreenivas1878
@suhassreenivas1878 3 жыл бұрын
A car history documentary produced by Carfection would be superb!
@HawkMillFarm
@HawkMillFarm 3 жыл бұрын
Straight in there and the reason I have a Cab, nice to have the science behind the buffeting explained too. Targa looks fab but isn’t so great to live with roof down. Agree re the touch screen too.
@rightuppercut1426
@rightuppercut1426 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely gorgeous car
@AlexanderdePooter
@AlexanderdePooter 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for the first one to come in! What a beautiful machine! Awesome 👏
@SirMopy
@SirMopy 3 жыл бұрын
Alexander de Pooter love your channel! You are always showing such nice configurations!
@SvenKolb
@SvenKolb 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait, too
@makatron
@makatron 3 жыл бұрын
The Targa is the one tust I'd daily, convenience of just having the top removed whilst keeping that gorgeous rear glass bubble.
@numaerislam9409
@numaerislam9409 3 жыл бұрын
I've never been in to convertibles but I've always had an exception for the targa 911 cars.
@Gangstabob716
@Gangstabob716 3 жыл бұрын
uploaded the right car on the right day.
@kenmason9354
@kenmason9354 2 жыл бұрын
Love the look of this Porsche 👏👏👏👏👏
@swulabs
@swulabs 3 жыл бұрын
The most handsome Porsche in my most humble opinion.
@TuttixD
@TuttixD 3 жыл бұрын
Henry really is the best in the business
@christopheredwards7330
@christopheredwards7330 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent job as always Henry. However I am getting tired of that particular stretch of road. Can you go to Scotland for the next one?
@decafmocha211
@decafmocha211 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video Henry. What kind of watch are you wearing ?
@4g5y
@4g5y 3 жыл бұрын
That exhaust note is good. Audible, but subtle!
@martijnkosters9024
@martijnkosters9024 3 жыл бұрын
Henry Catchpole: come for the car review, stay for the Helmholz resonance.
@mattsurrey6138
@mattsurrey6138 3 жыл бұрын
That wind noise sounded great going through my subwoofer! Thanks :D Such a shame they dont do a 2/2S version. It would save some weight and after owning a 992 2S for 6 months I can safely say I've never felt I needed more grip, even in the wet. There's one final downside missed out of the video. The price!
@cervelo9465
@cervelo9465 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful.
@frankly5171
@frankly5171 3 жыл бұрын
The coupe is still the 911 to get, for looks, performance, NVH and price as well. Thanks as always for an honest and useful review. Well done.
@flowfiya4501
@flowfiya4501 2 жыл бұрын
NO, everyone says THIS is the best looking 911, just look at are the top car channels. They all say this and since my friend has one i have wanted one so bad...it gets way more looks/stares and strikes more convo than his 911 coupe did.
@dereumell28
@dereumell28 3 жыл бұрын
Man I'd give anything for that car! As always Henry, wonderful video and review! Thank you very much indeed :)
@williamwilson7857
@williamwilson7857 3 жыл бұрын
Would you give over $120K. Would you trade your wasted time with your friends for studying something about your mind, universe, law of attraction. Would you do what it takes to be time effective and money earning oriented ? All you need is discipline and study
@gjonno
@gjonno 3 жыл бұрын
William Wilson... a rather uncalled for response I think....
@brucebogstrotter1796
@brucebogstrotter1796 3 жыл бұрын
The buffeting is a complete deal breaker for me. Would drive me insane.
@theosiegstolz3991
@theosiegstolz3991 Жыл бұрын
what's buffeting?
@user-mq7vf9me3y
@user-mq7vf9me3y 6 ай бұрын
⁠@@theosiegstolz3991Repeated compression and decompression of the air inside the vehicle. It’s why driving at high speeds with the windows down in any car makes a helicopter sound.
@Scream250
@Scream250 3 ай бұрын
Buffeting drives me insane.
@samburger44
@samburger44 Ай бұрын
is that a pun
@andrewbrav
@andrewbrav 7 күн бұрын
Ask James May
@hgibbings
@hgibbings 3 жыл бұрын
The Helmholtz resonance. Love it!
@nickhill3868
@nickhill3868 3 жыл бұрын
I'm wearing the exact same crinkly old ink Rapha T today!!! Good tshirt!
@mannyrosado9887
@mannyrosado9887 3 жыл бұрын
As a 1967 Targa owner, I would love to get my hands on this car in the future when it becomes affordable.
@abovemadness
@abovemadness 3 жыл бұрын
Such a nice vehicle, best Targa to date imo
@pedrowhite6684
@pedrowhite6684 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, a delightful, and much welcomed, focus and inclusion of the Helmholtz effect! I concur-full crack with the cabriolet! The heritage and relative rarity of the targa does remain a bit of a siren song though.
@mozebulbulia
@mozebulbulia 3 жыл бұрын
'' sales and sentimentality'' is the new sense and sensibility
@andyvankerkhove6902
@andyvankerkhove6902 3 жыл бұрын
The Targa 992 is the most beautifull 911 ever made. In my 997 c4 cabrio that deflecting screen came up automaticly
@markastor6740
@markastor6740 3 жыл бұрын
As always, first class review, no wasting time with 75% of the video dedicated to bable that has nothing to do with how the car drives (which is why you buy this car in the first place).
@bavariancarenthusiast2722
@bavariancarenthusiast2722 3 жыл бұрын
I am impressed by the level of recherché for the review - excellent job! I always love to take some away I didn't know before, like the Buffering effect discovered by a german Scientist.. The Targa is looking great - but it's not my preferred 992.
@jasonharryphotog
@jasonharryphotog 3 жыл бұрын
Good review
@IamCredit
@IamCredit 3 жыл бұрын
Sales and sentimentality could sum up Porsche's entire businesses strategy.
@ultimatelists9648
@ultimatelists9648 3 жыл бұрын
MInus James Dean's Spyder which caused a lot of problems to a whole lot of people. :D
@rtorbs
@rtorbs 3 жыл бұрын
Sales ? Cant that be said about any business ? Plus the holding company is so vast and varied that technically they dont need to sell a single car and could still remain buoyant
@IamCredit
@IamCredit 3 жыл бұрын
@@rtorbs bruuuuuuuuuuuh
@daviddrewel2719
@daviddrewel2719 3 жыл бұрын
The Targa top is also much more secure than the convertible. You can lock it up!
@jameswillard1
@jameswillard1 3 жыл бұрын
Every Cabriolet model since 991 8 years ago has used a magnesium hard paneled roof that basically just has a cloth covering, so it’s really no less secure than this Targa version
@jamo5468
@jamo5468 3 жыл бұрын
It’s all I have ever wanted!
@treyquattro
@treyquattro 3 жыл бұрын
the thing I really like about the Targa (not that it's the 911 I lust after) is that when the rear screen is moved away from the body the 911 closely resembles a Carrera GT, until the window is put back again.
@narinthongkam3974
@narinthongkam3974 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect car
@paultaylor701
@paultaylor701 3 жыл бұрын
Car especially at this level are an emotional purchase, and the Targa looks lovely, so buy one.
@Wall1885
@Wall1885 3 жыл бұрын
What a lovely car.
@smythrich
@smythrich 3 жыл бұрын
have to agree , i would go for the Cabrio, always thought the Targa looks compromised. im guessing but i reckon the residual value drops off quicker too.
@mitchcullen6784
@mitchcullen6784 3 жыл бұрын
I swear my C1 listening test was read out by this guy. I freaked out when 10 min later I played this video
@ivangalea8628
@ivangalea8628 3 жыл бұрын
I know it's not the purest or best-handling 911 but it's a beautiful car!!
@nguyenhuuvinh8083
@nguyenhuuvinh8083 2 жыл бұрын
Legendary car 👍
@Kaze919
@Kaze919 3 жыл бұрын
Ohh f**k me mate, that shot from the rear glass panel at 0:56 is just pure bliss.
@AndorRadnai
@AndorRadnai 3 жыл бұрын
I would argue that in this generation 911, the Targa is much more beautiful than the normal cabriolet. It is not on par with the Coupé, but it gets rid of the hunch formed by the engine compartment lid, which is very prominent in the fully open top version, diminishing the clean and elegant lines. The Targa roofline takes the accentuation away from the hunch and moves it to the rollbar, which works its absolute finest in the context of this generation. That would be my reason for going for the Targa (although the Coupé wins the overall decision).
@grahamtricker4103
@grahamtricker4103 3 жыл бұрын
For 911 the 992 Targa looks very nice indeed.
@TROY2048
@TROY2048 2 жыл бұрын
Sniper's a good job mate!
@magnusshawn4698
@magnusshawn4698 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it makes that buffeting noise with the windows down…
@danielchavez7705
@danielchavez7705 3 жыл бұрын
Make a video of the new 911 with manual gearbox pleaseeee
@lolakyle8
@lolakyle8 3 жыл бұрын
Nice music!
@dinangunarathna3278
@dinangunarathna3278 3 жыл бұрын
I'm always first for Henry!
@AnchonCat
@AnchonCat 3 жыл бұрын
Bet ur are sunshine.
@lhxn5242
@lhxn5242 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for the GTS
@mohsennouri2433
@mohsennouri2433 2 жыл бұрын
This video is nice
@ternavasso1963
@ternavasso1963 3 жыл бұрын
With the new Cabriolet, was a Targa really necessary? I always preferred coupes but the new Cabriolet is awesome and with the wind deflector up, you don't have any wind or wind noise in the cabin.
@JuanMartinez-mj4wk
@JuanMartinez-mj4wk 3 жыл бұрын
Irrationality is a fundamental part of our car passion. Targa might be a nonsense, but just looking at its sensuous curves is just to fall in love with.
@manuelravani8518
@manuelravani8518 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful 👍❤️
@Pengajim
@Pengajim 3 жыл бұрын
So what you're saying is, all the old vw diesel engineers were reassigned on the targa roof?
@benj5386
@benj5386 3 жыл бұрын
Used to get the same thing in the smart roadster coupe.
@runbuh
@runbuh 3 жыл бұрын
Do you also get the buffeting when you lower the windows and retract the top (all at the same time)?
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