NEW Razer Viper V2 Pro Review!

Razer just released the new lightweight Razer Viper V2 Pro gaming mouse, a follow-up from the extremely popular Razer Viper Ultimate. So, what's new with the V2 Pro? Check out all the changes & find out if it's worth it in this review!
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[@Grimlo9ic]

1:12 White mice usually require an additional coating to make the surface resist yellowing, so there's your extra gram or two.

[@IntelEdits]

Damn the shade at the end lmao. I do agree that it’s a bit overpriced but Logitech pretty much did the exact same when releasing the G Pro Wireless Superlight, and they saw massive success with that… when it comes to the “Pro” name, I think that “Pro” refers to professional/esport players that value ingame performance more than anything. I think it’s targeted at that specific niche and that’s why they’re still selling the Viper Ultimate along side it.

[@IntelEdits]

Also it should be clear to see how much people are willing to spend on lighter mice seeing how well finalmouse does selling near $200 mice

[@minemouse]

Did not expect to see you here Intel. Personally I’m mixed about the price of this mouse. Specwise it does match and occasionally exceed the GPX Superlight, which should justify the price. However, I think the main reason why the GPX was priced so high was because 60 grams was an unseen weight for a solid shell wireless mouse. Nothing came close to the GPX in specs when it released in 2020, whereas now in 2022, we have or will have the aforementioned GPX, the Ninjutso Katana Superlight (60g) ($90), Fnatic Bolt (68g) ($80), Endgame Gear XM2W (63g) ($120), Pulsar X2 (50g), Lethal Gaming Gear LA-1 (52g) ($120), Coolermaster MM712 (58g) ($80), Coolermaster MM731 (58g) ($80), and probably more I’ve forgotten.

[@0SHLN]

Yo intel

[@KWD22117]

Basically what I said haha I enjoy your vids Intel!

[@NotGoodAtYoutube]

@@IntelEdits But finalmouse was innovating a lot more and have been, I hate their QC and how they sell but I have to admit they push new standards.

[@MoistToilet]

Thank you for laying down the facts on Razer! This mouse definitely shouldn’t be $150. We need people like you to point out issues with a platform so we get change. Thank you!

[@benjaminzarkhin1293]

And the G Pro Superlight? IS micro USB, less buttons, worse switches and build quality issues worth 150? Technologically, this is a complete and direct upgrade to the GPX, and its honeycomb-less light weight is worth the price of admission. there's a reason Glorious is just 80 bucks- R&D costs and pays off.

[@koen5725]

@@benjaminzarkhin1293 where i live the gpro x is only like 100-110 euro's

[@filipbunalti]

@@benjaminzarkhin1293 Superlight has actually been bumped up to 160 MSRP since it was released lol

[@diablo9648]

if gpx superlight can be 150 that it can be 150 too

[@diamonshade7484]

@@benjaminzarkhin1293 if they had honey comb they could be lighter tho like final mouse

[@Cuda017]

They had excellent opportunity to undercut the Superlight, and tip the scale towards value as they did with the viper mini. Absolutely agree with you Frank. As an existing RVU user, I'd have to give into their greed to get a nice weight and button upgrade.

[@goochipoochie]

Viper v2 is a greater value than gpxs at any price point because gprx double click issues and hero sensor degradation are an inevitability and you are looking at 150$ being spent every 2 years. While viper v2 pro is built like a tank, nothing about the mouse really degrades overtime to make it unusable. That alone easily makes it better value. Even though it beats gprx in all other tech specs as well No idea how anyone can say v2 pro is not a great value for money

[@Noahnime]

@@goochipoochie lol gpx doesn't get double click issues or hero sensor degradation its not a g502

[@fender8372]

​@@goochipoochiethere're tons of complains about Viper's scroll wheel after several months of usage. Encoder is shit.

[@sh00trmcgavn39]

Price tag too high. But compare to the Superlight and the V2 Pro is the better product in every way from a performance perspective. They removed several features that I don't care about ex. RGB, LH side buttons, etc. But it has improved sensor, switches, and significant weight reduction and these are thing I do care about. If price isn't an issue, get the V2 Pro. If price is an issue, the Viper ultimate is a great value right now and still a top mouse on the market.

[@8bitsamurai6]

Yea you can always mod ur VU. But the superlight is an amazing mouse as well I personally really enjoy both shapes and feel but depends on the person. I like the ability to put in a hotswap psb on the superlight also eventho razors switches are really good.

[@Tony-ui2sl]

Yeah this mouse is for people that can get an alternative vs the superlight

[@dragonman910]

Recently the viper ultimate is like $80. Compared to $120 that I paid for it originally

[@Divinity_vA]

You have good points, but we as a consumers control whether or not companies can get too greedy by simply not buying the product. The has to be a certain line of acceptable and unacceptable. Else, in 1-2 years we'd have to pay 200-300€ for a computer mouse and let's be honest - that's dumb and unreasonable. I see that you care about weight and weight only, but paying more for less and being fine with it makes literally no sense. I see everyone mentions the Superlight as some weird kind of defence mechanism yet GPX was AHEAD of literally everyone and the first to do it while the market was relatively dry and clone after clone. Why don't you we compare it to recent releases? Fantech coming with fantastic build quality, 59g, 3395 sensor, Kailh 8.0 + bluetooth mode for just 68$. Everything the Viper V2 offers at fraction of the price. With the exception of mediocre optical switches. I have 2 RVU's, DaV2 Pro, Orochi V2 and also had Viper mini. Let's say both my RVU units quality is unacceptable for a 150$ product. DA is decent for the most part, Orochi is solid and Viper mini was mediocre but 30$. Edit: To avoid misunderstandings, Superlight despite being one of the kind, price was unjustified as well especially considering the first few batches QC.

[@kev3773]

Well I just got a lot of money for Christmas and my old death adder is wearing down so hopefully this worth it

[@pirx9798]

You're right about the weight difference being noticeable. I notice it with my g pro vs superlight, It makes holding the mouse more natural and effortless. And I prefer razer's flatter shape. So I'd love this mouse if ambidextrous with no right side buttons wasn't such an annoying trend, because if you're used with doing important stuff in-game with them, then the use for such a mouse is rather limited. As it is, I'd rather get 2 more ultimates for the price of one of these, before everyone saves a few bucks on 2 switches and you can't get proper ambi mice anywhere.

[@Xzor]

1:12 Without knowing exactly what formula they use, I assume they use Titanium Oxide to dye the white plastic, which would add a few grams of weight to the product.

[@emberia]

The Viper Mini was perfect for me other than sensor and mouse wheel, RVU was perfect other than side grips (they had huge dents from melting off for me within 2 months), mouse wheel and dock connection issues. The V2 Pro is everything I wanted the RVU to be, except for the lack of an improved dock.

[@goochipoochie]

What is wrong with viper mini sensor ?

[@redatienza5287]

The v2 pro is definitely what the ultimate and mini combined is, which imo is really good since the size and weight of the mini was really good to most people who likes to game with claw and fingertip grip.

[@DumbIn3D]

Just a thought on something. Razer’s “ X “ line up of mice don’t share the same features as the V2 pro. I understand where you’re coming from for sure, but if this were to be an X peripheral then there would be a few changes. • It wouldn’t be using their 30K focus sensor. • It would possibly be powered by an external battery ( AA/AAA lithium on the user side to cut weight ). • It might not use their 3rd gen optical switches. Since this mouse fits into their flagship category it was probably priced as such. I think you’re right about them removing dock capability to cut weight. Thing about cutting weight is .. there’s only so much you can do while trying to maintain a product that still feels solid. I don’t think I’d say it’s worth $150, maybe $100 or $130 at best. For comparison, the HyperX Pulsefire Haste Wireless is $80 and uses a worse sensor ( albeit still a great mouse ). Just my thoughts! Great video regardless!

[@mikeyhope7577]

Yeah, but nobody is going to notice a difference in game between a 3335 and this sensor. Anyone who says they do is either at the very top in terms of performance like a handful of pro gamers, or they’re lying.

[@FriendNotFoeBand]

@@mikeyhope7577 I sure as hell do with of 7-15% dpi deviation and motion delay that is noticeable at 240hz, especially on Source Engine. If I set my mouse to 400 dpi, I want my inputs to register like I am using 400dpi. Not 450.

[@Frencho9]

@@mikeyhope7577 I think the only good implementation of a 3335 sensor is the 3369 on the Orochi V2 with minimal motion delay at 1md (USB 2 extender) to 1,5 ms (direct usb3 port)

[@entropicity]

I think RFP got the wrong memo. The X series in Razer's lineup is their "budget" or lower tier lineup. I think RFP got too arrogant in his review and totally missed the point of the Viper V2 Pro. This was a bad review from a reviewer that is tired of his own subscribers.

[@SavaJeZz]

that shot with the switch on the watch talking about its life-span was SICK. awesome review man

[@zerocentury]

I think other than the weight, the optical switch contributed to the "pro", but yeah $150 is still to high for a price.... I was going to put this on my next mouse purchase list but for the price, I will not add this. Thanks for the vid.... and for testing the mouse click with you e-brush :D

[@ehern87]

I found that the wireless charging contacts on the ultimate just need to be cleaned. I just use a tooth brush to clean the contacts when it starts to get finicky and it starts working like new again. Not so sure the other upgrades are worth losing the dock for me. I am not against spending money to upgrade to new versions when it's warranted, I bought the huntsman tkl V2 after only having the TE for a year because the upgrades were a substantial improvement. This seems like a side grade at best. I'd be more tempted to send $80 and get an ultimate with a newer manufacture date for the refreshed switches than to buy this for $150

[@MetroidX88]

Is this deja vu? Doesn’t this sound similar to how the G Pro to the G Pro X launch? Great mouse, more expensive and less features.

[@Klar]

Spot on

[@beancf9174]

The only difference g pro x had first mover advantage whereas Razer copying what Logitech has done nearly a year ago and keeping the price that high it’s just a joke

[@ReyL_TV]

Clicks are way better, sensor is better, more battery, way less wieght. How is that less features? Is a PRO mouse, pro or enthusiast FPS players dont care about RGB or charging dock and they prefer lightweight and better responsiveness over that.

Exactly what this recent "weight reduction" hype has been doing to our mice in the last 1-2 years. Less features (cheaper for them), even less plastic (even cheaper for them in the long run), but insanely more expensive. Let's stop feeding this hype already

[@vaudou_]

@@beancf9174 Copying making it lighter? That's the natural progression of mice dude. The Ultimate was already light. What a fanboy response to act like removing weight is something that's a novel concept.

[@flashjor98]

Tbh I think this is the first product that actually deserves the pro name. Most companies add the pro name to products with added gimmicks that most "pros" would never use. If you're upset about the price you can blame Logitech for that, the G pro X Superlight was $159 when it dropped.

[@PriyajitKhuntia]

I have a contrasting opinion. I dont think Pro in a product essentially means what you are perceiving it as. Pro in a product has always meant additional features that the normal one doesnt have. Plus no company mass produces a generic product like a gaming mouse for the "pros" in mind. Their target is the general public. Im not sure if I'm coming across in a way agreeable to you. But I hope you will receive my POV in a positive manner.

[@flashjor98]

@@PriyajitKhuntia I understand what you're saying but I disagree. Plus was usually used to denote added features. Apple used to use plus all the time and then suddenly switched to pro and then everyone started adding pro to everything. Plenty of peripheral companies say they make their gear for esports Razer, Logitech, Steelseries, and others use it in their marketing all the time and even give professional players their gear. Being a pro at something means you get paid to do it, it doesn't mean skill level.

[@PriyajitKhuntia]

@@flashjor98 pro or plus both meant additional features for these kind of product line. Products for professionals in a profession is what you mean to say, suitable for professions like cinematography/photography where thr pro products simply meant complicated options to work to in order to gain a higher degree of output which will never be used my a normal person and gaming is not such a profession. The pros do the same thing (as in usage of the products) as a normal person would do. It's not a complicated affair to get to use it the same way. Insteadits the ability of the user that defines the extent of skill that can be achieved with the exact same product. 2 different things entirely. However, looks like you are going to stick to your opinion, so let's just agree to disagree. Cheers!

[@flashjor98]

@@PriyajitKhuntia I get what you're trying to say but the mouse was made to be used by pros in eSports. They don't care about RGB or how cool the mouse looks. They want a top performing mouse with low latency, a shape that works for them, and easy access to the product so it can easily be replaced if/when something breaks. If Razer wanted to jam pack it with features it would have been called an Ultimate not a pro.

[@PriyajitKhuntia]

@@flashjor98 compelling points but varying from the previous discussion. It's okay though, like I said, let's just agree to disagree.

[@expert8665]

Pro is for competitive play. The sensor is 2 years a head according to boarzy with like 750 isp. It's easier to track with a lighter mouse.

[@expert8665]

@AkatsukiSasuke923 People are willing to pay for the best. The best wireless mice out rn are 150+. G pro superlight, starlight 12, and now the viper ultimate

[@sharkscanplay2890]

@AkatsukiSasuke923 the mouse literally isn't made for most people It's the same reason why the starlight makes so little stock as they expect the demand to be much smaller. You often also find the superlight out of stock as well. Logitech literally tells you it's a pro mouse in the name. It was made for competitive which obviously worked as they basically dominate the fps competitive market with the superlight

[@kaelluciscormac6131]

@AkatsukiSasuke923 it's pro, mean for pro player in esporst scene or hardcore gamer, if you are regular consumer this mouse it's not for you simple

[@MatthewMora]

2:00 was unexpected and I full flinched

[@yoodels60065]

I mean 30k dpi is unnecessary although it is a great way to determine how capable the sensor is to be able to go that high while maintaining precision

[@huzainisahmawi]

do you guys think moving from razer viper mini to this one make significant change? i play apex legends and consider professional. i know the different from normal mouse and RVM. but how much different to change to this one since the weight is almost same.

[@Games_and_Tech]

You were hard on razer today... I used previously the glorious D- and I loved it, except for the cable. I tried the wireless version but I had a doble clic issue, I returned. Next I tried the logitech superlight I didn't like the shape, and I hated the micro USB port...SO, WHICH WIRELESS MOUSE DO YOU RECOMMEND FOR SOMEONE WHO LOVED THE GLORIOUS D MINUS?

[@greyrat_]

Would've been an instant buy but there's no dock, hope they do an ultimate variant with the dock. Glad the grips are optional, I didn't cover my RVU and now they've worn through.

[@morten1]

We really need docking charging for our wireless mice. Qi charging option wouldn’t be bad

[@justinz.4069]

G Pro to G Pro Superlight is considered an upgrade because it had less features to begin with, now RVU to RV2 is considered a downgrade because it started with more features and decreased on the RV2. Might be biased to say that Razers downfall was because the RVU was just too good, and they were taking away more in comparison with the GP to GPX since it had less features.

[@wintersoldier4269]

Wrong

[@donnaanderson1147]

Nah Justin

[@xspvv]

ima be honest the features on the original RVU that got scrapped in RV2 is honestly useless for me and 70% of all players. RGB isnt nessecary, Rubber on the side can be replaced with grip tape, and right side buttons arent even useful for RPGS as you can get a macro-pad for like 40 bucks or just get a razer naga if your thinking a razer with tons of buttons, overall the less features makes it better an most of these removed here, got scrapped in the GPX aswell! like rgb and right side buttons..

[@lime7152]

@@xspvv it's not like upgrade or down grade it's more of a preference , the new one seems fancier but at the cost of weight mainly

[@joaquinflores2741]

@@xspvv Agreed on rgb and rubber grip not being necessary, however the right side buttons on the first viper were useful for left handed users

[@YarakaOfficial]

The honesty about the product shown here is one of the many reasons I'm subbed and find your videos very helpful

[@HBangerHS]

that handcam with the game on the background was truly genius. nice one, dude

[@Sam-dk2dp]

That's an awesome review! you said the good and the bad about the mouse, and you gave such a good constructive criticism, that's what i like about a youtuber that helps me make a good decision when it comes to buying a product, you were honestly fair for the company and the consumers. Great job Frank.

[@Jackson-nq2kh]

I recently bought the now "outdated" Viper ultimate and I'm still happy with my purchase, with the new V2 pro they baisically removed all of the features I bought the mouse for

[@zihuatenejo]

They made it more competitive

[@SimoneLodiDraco90]

One year later: question: i had a Viper Ultimate from a couple years now, and actually the L and R buttons are very squeaky, my wheel do not register the clicks anymore, the place where my thumb rest has kind of a hole in the rubber grip. So. How the V2 pro behave 1 year later? Thanks to whoever will answer!

[@Legitti]

Just bought the Viper 8k ESL edition.. And they come up with this??

[@lexxiu7642]

They needed to counter superlight, which had a big success. People actually can spend crazy amount of money if you convince them that these features are directly improving your aim. (in this case the weight and wireless)

[@jongsooyoon4779]

Exactly. This mouse is more marketed towards FPS gamers. You don't need ultra lightweight mice for MOBA or MMOs. The Viper v2 pro lineup is marketed towards FPS gamers for the most part. I'm pretty sure FPS gamers would want lighter weight than magnetic holes for the dock which adds extra weight

[@danydepp8487]

Im not agree with the price judgement because logitech does the same.... US$160 for the g pro x and is a mouse of maximum US$80. Same here with the razer. Now logitech doesnt have an actually US$80 mouse and now razer dropped the ultimate so is a nice deal.

[@colejohnson9902]

Yeah franks take on the price was stupid

[@daviddg3474]

When using mine in wireless mode, the RV2 tends to lag randomly in game, are there any fixes anyone knows of?

[@jonathansmith4737]

I really appreciate your blunt and honest review Frank, I had always thought you were a Viper fan boy but after watching this review I take it back and you have earned more respect as a reviewer IMO.

[@hugp9134]

Absolutely beautiful we got Jonathan’s approval

[@aribrahman1161]

great video but in my opinion this mouse is pro. engineering to get a

[@FriendNotFoeBand]

As a top 1% gamer on every title I've touched from Forza to CSGO, there are several things that make up my ability to play at that level. I don't have the best eyes, but I have great instincts, timing, and physical touch/feeling. Every little design change in a mouse makes a huge difference in overall feel. From the coated vs uncoated buttons on Vaxee mice, to the Superlight vs GPRO. They are completely different in the hand despite being the exact same shape. Also, if you run 400dpi, you can definitely tell the difference between sensors. The 3389 in a Vaxee feels way smoother compared to the 3360 in the Zowie for example. Also, initial movement in cheaper wireless mice is extremely noticeable compared to wired. Any upgrades to the technology are welcome by me, for sure. If a cheap oem wireless mouse is $79.99 on average, they priced this more than fairly for launch. Especially since you can expect big price cuts eventually at Best Buy or Amazon. If they price it at 100, where is the room for sale pricing? That's just a symptom of big-name retailers controlling the mainstream market.

[@chrisdotdash5154]

I’ve replied to similar comments, and made my own statement, but you’re spot on. Random frank isn’t a serious/comp gamer or a mouse enthusiast and he is actually so ignorant to why this mouse is priced the way it is. All he talks about is the DPI on the sensor but not the actual specs. All he talks about is the lighter weight and removal of features, without taking about the weight distribution, etc.. It’s actually pathetic to see someone talk shit to some of the most well respected tech enthusiasts (like BadSeed who is my favorite) while also being so ignorant to why this mouse is priced the way it is, and who it is marketed towards. It might not be worth it to him, because he’s just a casual gamer and tech reviewer, but it might be 100% be worth it to a comp or pro gamer.

[@sharkscanplay2890]

@@FriendNotFoeBand Also considering the competitions price point (the finalmouse starlight having an msrp at around 200) its actually a nice price point for a pro level mouse coming in at around a 25% discount and that's only with the starlight at msrp not resale value. Like these mice are not made for people on a budget. They are here for people who want the best of the best and the effort that went into making said mouse backs that. There is a reason we are just now getting to the point where mice that have insanely low latency, low weight, long battery life, and wireless. Like this is no easy feat for just any company and it goes to show because the only company that actually does it better can't even come close to keeping up with their demand because they are so hard to manufacture with perfection.

[@sharkscanplay2890]

@@FriendNotFoeBand Also if you haven't watched optimumtechs video on latency, 800dpi is the best place to be atm if you are originally a 400dpi gamer. Easy change your sens to (just drop it to half of what it normally is and increase your dpi to 800). The reason for that is it has the least latency according to the findings.

[@liltorro4466]

@@chrisdotdash5154 It wasn't towards BadSeed, I saw his review video on it. He even said that $150 is too much for a mouse lol.

[@LastFx]

I think the naming's a little confusing but may provide some hints. Razer Viper v2 Pro seems it may be a competitor for the G Pro Wireless Superlight, as it dropped the extra side buttons, aesthetically looks quite similar, and actually appears to be lighter than the G Pro Superlight. It also appears to be priced in line with the MSRP of the G Pro Superlight. The name also doesn't actually include ultimate. I wouldn't be surprised if Razer releases a Viper Ultimate v2 [Pro] or something similar down the line. If these are the case the pricing, features, and aesthetic seem to make sense from that standpoint if those are the features you care about. For me your points make sense as I think the ultimates weight is already fine, wouldn't want to do away with the extra side buttons, and is cheaper.

[@RoxusCh]

For me the weight reduction alone is what made me buy this mouse. I’ve been an avid GPX user and have hated the micro usb it has and actually dislike buttons on both sides since I normally have to unbind them to prevent misclicks with the grip I use. The main reason I never gave the Viper ultimate a shot was because it was so heavy in comparison to my other mice. Obviously not everyone cares about weight but for those who do they will gladly spend $150 on a massively upgraded mouse.

[@sharkscanplay2890]

honestly after looking at both, I think I'll still prefer the gpro superlight because I prefer the bigger pads on the superlight. Feels smoother to me, but this could simply be solved by having a less resistant mouse pad. but also the pads on the superlight would be much easier to upgrade ngl

[@crafti2.027]

Love to see how you stay honest and give your true opinion on a product.

[@spades._.]

Yea I agree with the price not being worth it but it seems like people think because Logitech did it then it should be the new normal when it shouldn't, especially with how many smaller companies have started to make lightweight wireless mice now as well like fnatics bolt or pulsars xlites(wish it didn't have holes). Still awesome to see mice this light without holes but these prices are getting crazy.

[@seanstainbrook245]

One thing I'm sure is say you have the original viper ultimate and that breaks, but the charging dock works fine, you could find the viper without the charging dock for cheaper.

[@chrispHD]

That charger will 99% break first. Those things are awfully built

[@seanstainbrook245]

@@chrispHD true, I've had connection problems with mine and it's better to get a new dock if it breaks instead of splashing a ton of cash on a new mouse if the mouse works fine

[@nickglover]

I had been eyeballing the Viper and saw this was likely coming soon, but as soon as the Ultimate starting showing up for almost half the price the V2 Pro was expected to launch at, it just seemed really hard to justify waiting. Newer switches that may or may not feel better than ones I already like; side buttons that extend out a little more for better tactility; no RGB, which I don't really care about anyway (but can just turn off); and no charging dock, which wouldn't be a huge deal if I could use a magnetic cable but it doesn't look like I can. Soooo... Ultimate it is. Seems like they should've just kept the Ultimate but updated the switches. Wouldn't be surprised to see those popping up on eBay for people to swap into their Ultimates.

[@martynpd1]

The viper ultimate got a stealth upgrade. they fixed the pins on the bottom of the mouse not engaging with the dock now, it uses flat contacts so no need to wiggle it anymore. also the newer refresh is made from different materials and has a different sensor.

[@ASTROSR4]

I can see that the recommended feet are the deathadder v2 pro glass skates they look similar but I believe the feet are more symmetrical on the Viper v2. They are different sizes.

[@ChrisTheCreed]

Randomfrankp has been consistent with his takes, but it's sad to see that other reviewers shitting on this mouse are the same people who rated the Superlight to be one of the greatest of all time lmao. The only difference is that the RV2 stripped "features" which were arguably useless based on feedback. Imagine what people would say if Razer still had a micro USB lol. If this needs $70, we need to keep the same energy and say the Superlight needs to be $60 USD. This is not a Razer-only issue

[@JulianGrant]

I was thinking this same exact thing

[@black.phoenix.]

Totally agree.

[@sharkscanplay2890]

I mean with every market, the top product (in this case it would be the starlight from finalmouse) sets the top price. The gpro superlight isn't on the same level as that mouse but I would say with having a company like logitech in terms of reliability a 25% price difference is fair. if anything, finalmouse is the company that needs to drop their prices. also I think the superlight still outranks the viper just because having larger glides make for a better experience on a low sens imo It's kinda like the car market. Sports cars typically have less features and well... less car but people still pay a shit ton more for those. Overall performance is still part of the pricepoint. And you can't say that on the mainstage these mice don't perform. Considering that many pros have swapped to the superlight and that logitech marketed their mice towards pros who are just looking for the best of the best and care a bit less about budget, I would say Razer is doing the same here. This is not your average consumer mouse and it shouldn't be treated as such. There are great budget options out there if you really need them, just don't buy this mouse if it's not for you. Simple as that

[@LshowKnows]

Yup. And it's exactly as you said, this mouse was all built with consumer feedback, it's not as if Razer solely removed things without doing research

[@ChrisTheCreed]

@@sharkscanplay2890 I completely agree. I'm more so trying to call it out a lot of the bias we're seeing here. But yeah if you see the v2 and immediately say there are better priced options out there then you should probably go for those options haha. The fact remains they won't have the performance package that this mouse does. Whether or not its worth it to you as a consumer you have to decide for yourself.

[@BimaBrvnd]

i love how honest this review is, i just bought the viper ultimate last week and thank god i did. because it has much more features for less than what the v2 is and for me who doesn't care about the weight, i am happy with my purchase. i mean, if anyone wants the latest and greatest then go get it, but be mindful of the price difference and with what you get :D

[@willwunsche6940]

Strongly agree. Really not a fan of this. Own the current Viper Ultimate for the past 2 years and absolutely love it. Every change they made takes away one of my favorite features from the viper ultimate. The wireless charging is remarkable and I never would've spent more than $90 on a mouse if it wasn't for the amazing wireless charging pad. The weight is already WAY more than light enough. I use all 4 of the custom side buttons as separate inputs in games and like how flush they are. The built in grips is one of the best features, I have had them fall of on other mice but they're still comfortable and as good as the day they were new on my Ultimate. Battery lasts forever and was meaningless on original because of dock. USB-C is pointless when the dock had detachable cable at the ready. The combination of the DPI and power button is just insult to injury, even if they had good intentions. This mouse should cost no more than $90. The sensor could be twice as good for all I care it's still a downgrade in every meaningful metric.

[@BimaBrvnd]

@@willwunsche6940 great to hear a response from a long time user of the ultimate. now i know for sure this mouse will last me for time! :)

[@fe0xion]

are the switches replaceable in this model vs the older?

[@Yangfnn]

I'm surprised they have not done a viper mini wireless considering that's one of there most sold mouse. And the new version would sell really well if they could keep the price some what under $100

[@ronstargames8433]

so it is bad when the RVU2 does it but not the g pro x superlight

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

no it's better than the first one, like he says, he played better with the new one.

[@randomfrankp]

....I didn't recommend the GPX for the price either in my review. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHWxgGCelrSdhsk Want to try your comment again?

[@Jeffnvz]

8:25 That's not fair, Razer is just following logitech on G-Pro superligh. Yes, It's nice to have a X version, but the sensor will be downgrade and the 58g weight excludes the AAA or AA battery. And I bet it will be a supersale product. And I AM agree that it should comes with the charging dock support, I'm not going to buy a new Razer mouse without it.

[@randomfrankp]

I think my opinion is more than fair

[@Jeffnvz]

@@randomfrankp Considering razer is always over price on its new product and the logitech G-Pro superlight sales so good, I think Razer is doing just fine this time. What I wish is Razer can provide a 75% Huntsman V2, and fix the font transparency issue on the function keys.

[@carpr2013]

The best thing about this is that viper ultimate price drop. Getting that viper ultimate with the dock at $80 felt like a steal. Switched from the glorious model O to that and it feels so good in every way.

[@Sonsto]

Frank appreciate the no bs at the end. I don't even need a new mouse just thought Id hear your take. happy with the Model D black gloss with ceramic feet on it, All thanks to your reviews man.

[@n00bstude]

its expensive but the "features" they are dropping from the original razer viper ultimate makes the new product exactly what I want

[@lunatik6168]

Same here, i had the original rvu and the clicks started creaking a bit and it annoyed the hell out of me. I liked the dock but what i like even more is less weight :D . Also bought the pro superlight which i hated because of the shape. Ended up using Orochi v2 and gave all others to friends. Can't wait for the v2 pro to arrive - for me, all previous issues i had with it seems to be fixed. (also disliked the right side buttons on rvu - but atleast u could just disable them)

[@frankrossi3524]

@@lunatik6168 Yooo I basically did the exact same thing. Had a Logi Pro X, but wanted a smaller shape... ended up on the Orochi and I really like it but looking for another upgrade now.

[@lunatik6168]

@@frankrossi3524 I would still use the orochi if it had a better sensor and got rid of those batteries (not a huge problem, just annoying). Currently i'm not even thinking about buying/testing any other mice. Really happy with the v2 pro. Can't really imagine anything beating it if you like the shape. Now more focused on testing some different pads :)

[@Prof.Mokster57]

Sad that they took away that additional 2 buttons on the right side of the mouse (the 2 forward and back buttons meant for left handed users) those 2 buttons are so useful for me to cycle UP and DOWN the dpi on the fly instead of having to turn the mouse upside down and pressing the dpi button which CYCLES through your dpi This mouse is the perfect replacement for my old g402 and didnt wanna get the g502 because its a brick to use it for fps games

[@Shaomi4361]

Wow you've really upped the quality of the videos lately (not that it was bad before), it's really nice!

[@swaveyqua9721]

I play a palm/ relaxed claw grip and i have a small hands. Should i get viper v2 pro or death adder v3 pro? I have the razer mamba elite rn so i want whichever mouse is closest to size in that. I heard the death adder is not really good for people with small hands but idk….

[@willwunsche6940]

Thoughts as an original Viper Ultimate owner: Really not a fan of this. Own the current Viper Ultimate and love it. Every change they made takes away one of my favorite features from the viper ultimate. The wireless charging is remarkable and I never would've spent more than $90 on a mouse if it wasn't for the amazing wireless charging pad. The weight is already WAY more than light enough. I use all 4 of the custom side buttons as separate inputs in games and like how flush they are. The built in grips is one of the best features, I have had them fall of on other mice but they're still comfortable and as good as the day they were new on my Ultimate. Battery lasts forever and was meaningless on original because of dock. USB-C is pointless when the dock had detachable cable at the ready. The combination of the DPI and power button is just insult to injury, even if they had good intentions. This mouse should cost no more than $90. The sensor could be twice as good for all I care it's still a downgrade in every meaningful metric.

[@devileye90]

exactly. if they made this v2 pro with what it has now at a cheaper price, it’ll eat logitech’s super light sales at the very least.

[@manpreetsaini6750]

They called it the Razer Viper V2 pro instead of Razer Viper Ultimate 2 for a reason, it's not meant to be the successor of the Viper Ultimate.

[@gooberlaya]

just out of curiosity what games do you play? i am a rvu owner as well but don't agree with this stuff

[@alvarsantini2653]

@@manpreetsaini6750 Is the same shape and everyone is comparing it to the Viper Ultimate. It clearly says V2 Which one is the V1 then

[@manpreetsaini6750]

@@alvarsantini2653 V2 as in a new generation (new internals, e.g., USB c) after their original lineup of the Viper Ultimate, 8k and mini. Of course your gonna compare it with the Ultimate since it's the closest comparison but it clearly says Pro and not Ultimate. It's meant for pro gamers who only care about weight and latency and not any of the added features of the Ultimate. That's like complaining that a F1 car has no features or anything when it's clearly serving a different purpose.

[@steelsteez6118]

Dude LOVE your absolute honesty. For someone who has as many subscribers as you and can speak their mind freely like this.....HUGE respect. Liked!

[@Blacktophero34]

To answer the weight question, plastics require colorant and depending on the color more or less color will need to be used to change the color of clear raw plastic, black is an overpowering color so less color to plastic ratio and the white usually requires a higher ration to really punch through solidly so the added colorant will effect the end product weight, from someone who works in plastic injection molding

[@Andy9742]

My laptop only has USB type-C ports. Would I able to connect this mouse wirelessly to it at all?

[@LvckyVII]

the dock is literally what makes me NOT wanna switch my ultimate, its so convenient then having a loose cable laying around. wish this had that feature

[@Evan-xs8ts]

Its made the weight heavier though which is worse for aiming

[@randomfrankp]

@Evan Lol, no.

[@Evan-xs8ts]

@@randomfrankp yes. Rather have 15 grams less then a docking feature.

[@batmansteel778]

@@Evan-xs8ts the docking feature adds less than 3 grams u clown. Most ppl would've wanted that. I'm keeping my VPU

[@Itz_xero1]

imagine actually caring about the charging method. let alone that being the deal breaker

[@R3ZZY_EXE]

I feel like since Logitech got away with it made Razer want to test the waters themselves with that kind of greed so I'm definitely gonna wait on a deep sale for this down the line. The G Pro X Superlight was trash too as an upgrade.

[@Badookum]

this one is worth it imo

[@LordMidichlorian]

What about the wheel? Is it still the same as in the Viper Mini and Deathadder Mini?

[@donaldroehrig7817]

Non tech question....What is that knife you use for the unboxing. I'm looking for a desk knife like that, but can't find one.

[@Moultronn2.0]

At first I was like, dang I just got a Viper ultimate 5 months or so ago.. but after seeing the V2 I'm happy with the Ultimate. Not a fan of the missing features.

Same, this is why I never understood the G Pro X craze here on the internet. The G Pro is the perfect balance between features, weight and price. Same with the viper ultimate. those 10-15g less won't make anyone a better gamer lol

[@adsadsaddFQ]

Same. It's light as fuck as it is, no need to go lighter.

[@Zeie]

pro - for pro play and pro performance, achieved with the extreme sensor and low weight

[@s2iGGY]

If I don’t have the Viper ultimate already would you guys say to just get the old one or get the v2?

[@Skylda]

the reason why the white version is heavier is because there are microparticles in the paint that are supposed to prevent the white from turning yellow at some point due to the effects of light. therefore the 1g more.

[@petersziraki7672]

I agree. For that price and with those missing features, this is a hard pass for me. I think it is time to buy a spare pair of the Viper Ultimate and the Deathadder Ultimate so that I can still have these with the charging dock in case Razer eliminates those from their product range.

[@Feewiee]

Its for competetive players. For me I play valorant professionally, I dont want unnecessary features, dont need 2 extra side buttons. Not for casual gamers

[@Someone-pg3on]

Imagine prioritizing a charging dock over weight and performance. Spoken like a true casual gamer

[@Unavenged]

GPro to GPX was the same.

[@leet2888]

I already owned basilisk ultimate and naga pro. Wanted to get viper to complete my set while waiting for this. Man what a let down, I'm going to get viper ultimate at this point

[@connorwhite9716]

While I agree $150 is expensive, Logitech did the same thing with their G Pro lineup and their newer, lighter mouse with less features (G Pro X Superlight) sold out several times during different drops. I have played on both the older mouse (G Pro Wireless) and the Superlight, and I would definitely the 18g difference in weight improved my gameplay significantly (currently diamond 2 in Valorant). So while they might be alienating a lot of people, I think they did so on purpose to challenge the Superlight as the ultimate competitive (pro) mouse.

[@colejohnson9902]

Yes plus the fact that people don't realise that razer has the fastest sensor and switches on the market rn along with a solid shell(no holes) under 60g and not to mention USB C.

[@tenspeed4140]

I have the RVU. Barely a year in and the paint by the shell has started to chip, revealing the grey plastic underneath. I've also seen the same thing happen to their other peripherals in the Mercury and Quartz colorway. Unless they have fixed this issue, I might have to pass on this. OR get the black and put a skin on it. :/

[@gregg2k]

Whats the big mousepad we see in the video ? Thanks :)

[@jaded265]

I was always curious on why exactly the V2 launched at $150 and this video pretty much validated what I expected. Thanks!

[@McMintyMP]

If it's lighter then yes it's better. Features on mice for FPS should be shape weight and sensor. Anything else is just gimmicks.

[@diamonshade7484]

So wireless is a gimmick

[@McMintyMP]

@@diamonshade7484 No you're right forgot about wireless. Wireless is a must now.

[@diamonshade7484]

@@McMintyMP for OCD

[@mel-ju7kp]

Casuals care about RGB and dumb docks

[@Z4d0k]

You've missed the point of the Pro label; it's designed for ultimate performance, not ultimate bling and features that negatively impact performance.

[@vitaliyivanov7768]

Really hope there is a version in the future with a charging dock but without the LEDs

[@reinrev_]

I’m sticking with my viper ultimate :3

[@JonoFlex]

I love my ultimate even tho the charging dock is frustrating i dont think i will upgrade anytime soon

[@PostWazone]

Yea, I'm also gonna stick with my Viper Ulitmate. I thought about replacing it with new versions but for me it's not worth it.

[@PostWazone]

@Sebastian Crisostomo For me battery life of current one is not a problem. Like Frank said it should cost $80 not $150. Charging dock for me is very useful.

[@mega_1st]

@@PostWazone the superlight should cost $80 too then, right? I also don't see why plugging in a charger is that hard either, but I personally don't have a wireless mouse.

[@PostWazone]

@@mega_1st Yea it should. Why Glorious mice can cost cheaper and other brands cannot? Oh and i just like the idea of putting the mice on dock, im planning to buy Razer Basilisk Ultimate and then it's gonna be even more comfortable, if battery of one of them dies i just put it on dock and start using another. Plugging it is also good but i prefer dock while not using for cleaner look on the desk.

[@mega_1st]

@@PostWazone Glorious hasn't made mice that are at the same level of performance as the viper v2 pro or superlight. if they did, then I'm sure they would make them $120+

[@alexatwood6205]

Just bought a viper ultimate yesterday, thought I was missing out, after hearing you lose wireless charging, RGB thumb grips just for it to be lighter that I won’t be able to even tell, glad I pulled the trigger.

[@delvv81]

Great video Frank, that value analysis really gave me something to think about

[@TechBeard]

Completely agree with you on this. The dock for the Viper Ultimate was such crap I don't even use that mouse anymore. Taking away features shouldn't equal a higher price tag. Yeah it looks a lot better, but not at this price point. Keep up the great work dude!

[@gleerevs]

I've been waiting for this news for months! Finally they removed the rubber on the sides

[@ernestomoreno6814]

Hi Random which speakers do you have in setup

[@MuppetChops]

Does it still rely on a razer proprietary shape usb connection like the v1 viper ultimate?

[@luckymark571]

But frank you recommended buying the Logitech G Pro Superlight, it was the same concept as this mouse and costed the same (And didn't even have usb-c) 🤔🤔

[@randomfrankp]

In that video I also said the price was also too expensive and I don't recommend.

[@luckymark571]

@@randomfrankp Yeah I know you did but you recommended that one and not this one and there practically the same?

[@randomfrankp]

@@luckymark571 Completely different scenario. GPX lost side buttons and RGB. V2 Pro lost side buttons, RGB and wireless charging while still charging the same price. GPW was still around $100 retail when the GPX launched, the Viper Ultimate was down to $60 and $80. The features, pricing, and market competition make these 2 scenarios completely different.

[@filipbunalti]

@@randomfrankp but Logitech didn't upgrade a single thing. Razer upgraded the sensor, switches and usb-c whereas the superlight only removed stuff, didn't improve a single feature other than weight. And this still costs 10$ less than Superlight, which has been increased to 160 officially.

[@randomfrankp]

....I didn't recommend the GPX in my review. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHWxgGCelrSdhsk Want to try your comment again?

[@frebasaurus2331]

This looks really nice at a first glance, but I really dislike some of the changes they made. No dock, no extra side buttons, both are things i loved about the mouse. The dock made the mouse have its value and made it much more unique in the market but seeing as its not there anymore is a really big let down :( also im a right hand user, but i really loved using the other side buttons for things like play/pause, like its literally muscle memory now so i really just cant use mice that dont have at least one extra button alongside the main clicks and 2 sides. But hey thats just me, this thing still looks cool for the people its targetted for!

[@taylorwillx]

I’m so glad I pulled the trigger on the Viper Ultimate when I did. I saw this information in the leaks and thought that I was missing something when I saw less features in the replacement model. Also, the docking station is a game changer for me and I don’t want a new mouse unless it supports something similar.

[@willwunsche6940]

Same I'm shocked the newer one doesn't have a charging dock. It's worth 1/3 the value of the mice easily once you have experienced it

[@Zakkary]

Literally. I think the first model is signifigantly better, with more pronounced "cool" features.

[@aandersson650]

are the m1 and 2 buttons still fimsy and curves if you press them hard enough?

[@budzee313]

This is one of the mice of all time

[@gigglewumpus]

agreed

[@dako91196]

Ah yes, this mouse is very mouse

[@joaquinflores2741]

Definitely one of the mice ever

[@8UDDHA]

It's compraing directly to gprox superlight which costs the same at 63 grams with same compromises logitech made from gpro wireless to superlight.. and the whole industry went bonkers for it also considering it comes with USB C I'll take it over Logitech any day.

[@8UDDHA]

well for the other stuff people complaining it and want at the price of glorious should consider the issues that glorious comes with also RAZER has the lowest latency thanks to its optical switches .. also considering razer tax and r&d expenses of a bigger brand $130 is explainable 🙏 so not a big deal for me though

[@FlavioF95]

I use ambidextrous mice with 2 buttons per side because I actually use all of them ( yeah... With the ring finger and the pinky). I know that it sounds strange, but I'm so used to use even the left side of the mouse that it's definitely a deal breaker to not having 'em.

[@bcsuperfan17]

I just bought the Superlight a couple days ago debating if i should return it and grab this. I feel like the switches make a big difference and because of debounce time. Idk tho because its an early batch too… mouse experts guide me in the right direction please should i stay with Superlight

[@FrankGV]

I used a Viper Ultimate for a few years. It was great at first, but eventually the rubber started peeling off and the thing refused to work without being plugged in. And yeah the dock never worked. Razer shouldn't be charging 150$ for something you will definitely be replacing in 2 years.

[@fittedpanda330]

Frank. I think it’s pretty obvious your take on this release is to stir up a little bit of controversy for your channel. But The fact of the matter is that Razer has released a pro grade mouse completely tuned for FPS performance. A literal chess move to compete with the Logi GPX. They needed to make this mouse and price it $10 less than it’s Logi counterpart. You can’t compare an $80 Glorious or Bolt to a V2pro Those mice are full of issues. Razer V2 pro has a solid shell. No honeycomb. USB C (Logi still refuses to). Weighs 58 grams, 30k sensor and new optical switches. They checked so many boxes here. I may stick to my GPX and Starlight 12 but I am very hyped on this release for FPS players.

[@nickfosley2882]

I don't see why they needed to make it only $10 less than GPROSL to compete, if they released all the features you listed at an $100 price point, they would still move units. The mouse was hyped the moment it was leaked. This mouse would break new grounds at an $100 price point. I think it's pretty obvious they only priced it that high because people accepted that logitech did it. If we allow these companies to keep that same mentality, it'll be like graphics cards and instead of $300-400 being a mid-tier graphics card, nowadays it's $500-$600 MSRP (before chip shortage). Don't let $150 mice be the new norm.

[@nickfosley2882]

So many people are saying the $150 price is too high, and that is a true statement for a mouse, no matter how good/fine tuned/optimized/perfect it is.

[@fittedpanda330]

I feel you on that. I love saving money. But $100? On opening day how could Razer be expected to release this thing cheaper than a Naga v2 or a Basilisk Ultimate? FPS players want the shape and the 58 grams this thing brings to the market. There’s the premium. I’m sure later this year on Black Friday it can be had for $40 off or something and eventually be a $79 mouse as the industry progresses on and all these other brands figure out how to correctly engineer them. But for now I can count all solid shell 58g mice on 1 hand and this is the cheapest.

[@nickfosley2882]

@@fittedpanda330 I know R&D has a price, but this is through the roof. I personally don't THINK they priced it at 150 because of their own lineup of mice, but instead to the GPSL, but who knows.

[@JohnPap21]

Is there any left handed ergonomic gaming mouse with right side buttons?

[@raymondtan892]

i used both the White version RVU and the new Razer Viper V2 Pro black version (I prefer white tho), well for me i think I missed the charging dock from the RVU, extra side buttons and the RGB lighting. The 30k DPI was not necessary at all, the weight is lighter yes but I don't think that affects my gaming experience noticeably, I do notice the side buttons have better tactile feedback and a soother sound to it. My left mouse button sound has lower sound click than my right button which is weird Overall I still prefer my RVU mercury edition than the Viper V2 Pro. If you're upgrading from the RVU to this, better don't.

[@Dobrinja1921]

Franky boy never disappoints. As soon as he said "those other content creators who will justify this price..." I went looking for couple of the usual ones. And boy oh boy was Frank right. They tried so hard defending this joke of a price that it's just pathetic and said. You barely can trust any reviewer out there, that's the reality

[@Jeffnvz]

You know, 'The Techne' comes to my mind when you said that, even if I haven't checked his video.

[@Dobrinja1921]

@@Jeffnvz oh damn, on point my man :D Techne was literally the first one I checked. But he´s not the only one unfortunately

[@sirtoasty9293]

@Sebastian Crisostomo idk if you’re joking or not

[@SuzkiFPS]

not serious right ? the gpx PINK costs 160 and ton shit of ppl buy it is it a scam? yeah? do pros care? no because it’s light and it doesn’t have extra shit other than different color ? why isn’t this the same ?

[@mamamo5790]

Disagree. This mouse is better of for people who want the best performance especially in esports. There is a reason why the GPX was a massive success.

[@zrose3240]

this mouse is called pro cause it aims at mouse enthusiast and pro players , in the pro scenes pro player doesn't need a charging dock, RGB and other gimmicks, all they need is a good shape, well performing sensor(sensor positioning includes too) , good switch, weight, and build quality. I am using viper mini right now, even if the old viper ultimate comes down to $50 i still wouldn't buy it because of the right side buttons. I'm using fingertip grips and that would just prevent me to performing well on that mouse, i would rather just stick with my viper mini

[@colejohnson9902]

Yeah there's alot of mislead souls in these comments including Frank

[@sheddz6662]

are the main clicks as mushy as the viper ultimate with side wobble or tis gone better?

[@ItzDrewzy]

what mouse pad were you using in this video?

[@jongsooyoon4779]

You're being extremely hypocritical of praising the superlight in your review video and then going around and being extremely critical of the v2 Pro. Razer invested money into newer gen optical switches as well as an updated sensor. Do I think paying $150 for modern wireless mice is good? Of course not. But I think Razer deserves much praise for the release of the v2 Pro. I just wish they priced it somewhere between $100 and $120. But your review video just seems way too hypocritical for my taste. If you're going to hate the v2 Pro, at least call Logitech out on the same flaws. Also, other reviewers aren't allowed to have other opinions? Seems unfair

[@randomfrankp]

....I didn't recommend the GPX in my review. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHWxgGCelrSdhsk Want to try your comment again?

[@jongsooyoon4779]

@@randomfrankp Your opinion also isn't consistent. As an example, you praise the Starlight 12 and put it as one of your top 5 mice of 2021 despite it costing $190 and having QC problems. Yet you don't dissuade your viewers and criticize the mouse in the same way you voiced your opinion on the v2 Pro. Also, the way you were gatekeeping other reviewers and their opinions was really a low class act.

[@asiandrainer]

in a few months this mouse will be 80 bucks on amazon anyway lmfao

[@ThaRealAnti]

It’s still 100 even 2 years later😭😭

[@asiandrainer]

@@ThaRealAnti its over

[@debbywebbie12]

I just copped 😂​@@ThaRealAnti

[@timbillins1848]

The new delux m800 with the 3370 sensor is about $40-$45....USB C, RGB, 70 grams.....gotta be worth saving the money and getting that instead right??