New Right Fights with Ryan Turnipseed

[@OklahomaJones]

Thanks!

[@ThePrudentialist]

Thank you, that's incredibly generous!

[@lowlandnobleman6746]

Nice to hear someone use the term “Anglo-Celtic”. For old stock Americans, Anglo-Celtic is a far more accurate descriptor than “WASP”. A lot of old stock Americans (especially Southerners in Georgia and the Carolinas) are of Scottish descent like myself. There are also some Welsh, but they were never as numerous as the English and Scottish colonists. Good discussion.

[@Vingul]

Even the English are Anglo-Celtic (or rather Germanic and Celtic), so Anglo sort of already has that covered. Not that I disagree.

[@aigeneratedwillywonka]

Too much is made of this distinction. I think this is an American “search for an identity” St.Patrick’s day type thing more than an objective genetic reality at this point. The Celtic and Germanic tribes already shared a common male-line ancestor before a Saxon ever set foot in the British isles. Both majority R1B mutation Y haplogroups. Even in modern Ireland, >90% of the people who identify as historically “Irish” have significant or even majority Anglo genetics.Additionally, it is also common knowledge the Irish have had a large amount of Danish admixture (another Germanic tribe btw) as a result of Viking raids, so it’s more of a cultural/historical expression than anything else. As far as Scotland, most of them are Gaels and the Anglo-Saxon kingdom of Northumbria reached all the way up to Glasgow iirc. That being said: while I do agree that Anglo-Celtic is an overall accurate descriptor of the American identity specifically, I am not offended by the idea of being lumped in with “WASPS” because as english speaking white people, we are objectively more similar than we are different. Regardless of whether or not your grandpa was german or dutch. If one has a problem with the WASP identity, they cannot be said to sit entirely well with the American Identity either.

[@lowlandnobleman6746]

Yes, that’s true. There’s a lot of Celtic (particularly Brythonic) DNA in the English. Same with the French too, really. They’re still pretty Gaulish in their DNA and some of their appearances. Hell, the Spaniards still have some of that Celtiberian mixed in them. I think Anglo-Celtic is a distinction worth making, as many are all too eager to anglicize and broadbrush all the founding stock as being just a bunch of Englishmen. Anglo-Celtic is just more all-encompassing of what old stock Americans were. Acknowledging that it wasn’t an Anglo ethnostate doesn’t detract from the fact the States were all modeled on northwest European culture and values (and made for those types of people). I’m not an Anglophile and generally disdain the common oversimplified Anglocentric retellings of American history, however well meaning. It always comes across as weirdly disrespectful to the Welsh, Scots, Dutch, and Germans who also founded these States. Though I guess it’s a moot point where I’m at. The “WASP” descriptor is just a bit corny to use here in the Deep South. Most people would look at you funny. I imagine that’s not so in the Midwest or the Northeast. But here in Dixie, you rarely hear about “WASPs”. You’re either called a Caucasian or a white Southerner down here. If you know your genealogy as I do, (mostly Lowland Scots and Norman French with later inclusions of Irish, Scottish Gaels, and some Cherokee from my great-grandfather, if you’re curious) you might sometimes call yourself a Scotsman or whatever you’re descended from, but most people don’t even bother going in for such descriptors. Half the people don’t even identify with their home State, which is unfortunate, but I digress. TLDR Sam Francis was right to say Anglo-Celtic instead of WASP. It’s more accurate.

[@dershburns3321]

What does WASP stand for? I understand who it means.

[@TheNeoPuritan-f7g]

@@dershburns3321 White Anglo Saxon Protestant

[@Matt_JPearce]

Gentlemen this was an incredibly insightful conversation. Prude thank you for getting Ryan back on the airwaves. Easily the best 'post election analysis of the right-wing coalition' that I've seen to date.

[@Jacob-pu4zj]

25:18 This is precisely why no one should touch Clay Travis and Buck Sexton with a 40-foot pole.

[@unit2394]

Haven’t heard any new news, I hope Ryan is doing well with his Missouri Synod drama. I am in the LCMS as well and he was definitely treated wrongfully.

[@JoseGomez-n4k]

This is God pushing him towards Catholicism. There is no future for any Christianity that is Protestant

[@LEEEEMO]

The discussion of National Review was fascinating and spot on.

[@johnmorton1026]

That was an absolutely superb discussion. I learnt a lot. Thank you guys.

[@north-sea750]

Interesting discussion.

[@Jigsaw0097]

Great breakdown of the NeoCons. An excellent book on this for any interested is “The Neoconservative Revolution” by Murray Friedman. It spills all the beans so to speak.

[@plumlogan]

Happy Thanksgiving, fellas

[@SigmarAcademy]

Ryan brought up an important point when he said Christian conservatism is not as right-wing as people think it is. I agree with him when he says it has been used to contain the right during the postwar years. Fundamentally, the Christian religion is universalist and this aspect of Christianity is what the left emphasizes in their interpretations of the religion. This is a point which pagan ethnats have made for a long time. Admittedly I was pleasantly surprised to hear it come from a well spoken Christian like Ryan.

[@williamcrawford7621]

I strongly disagree with this. At best, Christianity is not as nationalist as some people think. Nationalism does not equal right-wing. It has historically equalled right wing in the 20th century, but it was liberal in the 19th century. Nationalism tends to be right wing in some respects, but it can also tend towards populism, which is a type of democracy. I suppose it depends on how one defines what is right wing. I define it as the term arose historically. The French right were those in the Revolution who supported the King, the aristocracy, and the Church. Therefore, the right is spiritual, anti-democratic, and hierarchical while the left is materialistic, democratic, and egalitarian. By this understanding, Christian conservatism is neither more nor less right wing than the pagan right.

[@Vingul]

​@@williamcrawford7621 It also depends on how you define nationalism. Some insist it came into existence with the nation state, to my mind it goes back to ancient times if not pre-ancient times.

[@GMGMGMGMGMGMGMGMGMGM]

If you're talking about the Germanised, post-modern, degenerated Christianity of America and Western Europe that Ryan was raised in, then you might have a point.

[@ethansnyder3401]

Xianity is going to be problematic for any Right winger to justify. It's fundamentally goyslop that emerged out of the Roman Jewish wars. Jews could not defeat Aryans under conventional means so they attacked them through religion and culture. As they have always done through various cthonic Dionysian cults in previous iterations. You can even still see those elements present in the typology of Jesus.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

What we need to be careful to do, is to define our terms in a way that removes ambiguity. There are those who want to claim that right wing is one thing and others want to claim that right wing is another thing, but the most important thing is that we don't conflate one thing with another thing when trying to describe the thing we are interested in defining.

[@Ngrman166]

in my humble opinion, Turnipseed is pretty much the only archetype worth listening to on the e-Right these days.

[@MimiRAM0NE]

I miss when he was the main OGC guy

[@MutantAndMona]

This stream rivals Turnip’s stream: The Church and the Redpill with President Hawk (these both have been PROPERLY archived) 🤍

[@need_bath23]

Always great to hear Mr. Turnipseed in a podcast!

[@MutantAndMona]

“The SEED must be WATERED by US.”

[@Talk378]

“A lot of good stuff happens there” is not a way I’ve ever heard Missouri described.

[@laborunit]

IM WAITING FOR

[@paladinyyz6868]

Bigfoot Turnipseed back on the scoreboard

[@StephenCarter-y5k]

I am an Anglo southerner who converted to Catholicism. Nearly all the Anglos who take religion seriously at all are converting to Catholicism or Orthodoxy. Clinging to a dead label of ‘Protestant’ because some of your ancestors had that label is illogical- they didn’t hold that identity because it came from their ancestors, far from it! They held it in contravention of and contempt for their Catholic ancestors. They were woke progressives of their era. Now their great grandchildren are returning to the Church to repent of the sins of rebellion and leftism that the Protestant movement was all along

[@CountArtha]

Protestantism stopped being Protestant when it became anti-nomian. The Big Three reformers (Luther, Calvin, and Cranmer) were all pro-nomian, affirming the fundamentals of Nicene Christianity against certain innovations of the Roman tradition. Now the shoe is on the other foot, and a lot of nominally Protestant churches are run by atheists or universalists who deny key tenets of Christianity. EDIT: The solution is not to go Catholic, necessarily. We should be reforming the mainline churches (and many of the non-denominational ones) to be Christian again.

[@fegeleindux3471]

Well to be fair to Protestants the Roman Church in the 1400s and 1500s was just a worldly power similar to a corporation with cardinals and bishops acting like princes like the infamous Borgia and all of this was justified by forged documents (pseudo-Isidorian documents). Repenting from sins of rebellion ....... yeah sure the old crypto-Augustinian (absent in Eastern theology) obsession with guilt and Manichean importations for which he was criticized in his own times even if he left Manicheaism. Catholic theology was condemned to this dualism because the Greek and Syrian fathers were lost in the West as for 1000 years nobody could translate their writings into Latin (the reverse is also true as the Byzantines didn't have many Latin writings as they didn't even care) and this why both Catholics and Protestants are heavily Augustinian in their theology After seeing the early modern Latin Church and the westernized Russian Church after the reforms one understands that these churches were already taken over and embodied sin itself. We are currently living the consequences of their unrepentance, hypocrisy, and sinful pride.

[@Richard-iw1dd]

Bingo

[@HugoGlz56]

I watched last JRE episode with Mark Andressen and It jumped at me when he was talking about Elizabeth Warrens independent agency i was like "Oh the main thing He is about is banking for gambling, pimps, whores and drug dealers". You can also see it with Simone and Malcom Collins Insisting on taking the "Rigth Wing" label but their Calvinist disposition making them opose any movement torwards goverment social policy.

[@bigben8502]

my two favorite zoomies

[@korbin9906]

Go off kings 🔥 o7 o7

[@Henchcorp]

I think this is the least I've ever heard Prude talk in a video of his.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

Does that mean he agrees or disagrees with his guest?

[@MutantAndMona]

25:16 💎

[@ClearLight369]

Does your podcast age like raw milk or pasteurized milk?

[@wvmcc82]

Huh. And here I wasthinking that Ryan and Prude were the same people

[@gregoryross1693]

Guys, you barely have a national winning coalition and I'm hearing talk about purging. Be careful.

[@copudesado]

Exceptionally silly thesis. Communists weren't just abroad, they were IN AMERICA, manning key positions and doing their absolute utmost to destroy America. The idea that a "crusade against communism" was somehow wrong is ridiculous. We can, however, criticize the anti communist crusaders for not turning their troops on internal enemies...

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

Anybody that says the things that you're saying has to be someone who knows what's going on...

[@LEEEEMO]

I understand the bafflement over MO passing the abortion amendment, Amendment 3. It passed due to 7 counties. The margin of defeat in the other counties was very large. The state of MO is bifurcated in culture and politics I can't speak much abou5 KC, but the St. Louis area is a world unto itself and has been since Germans began to move into St. Louis city in the 1840s. If you call MO a mid western state, you understand the political commitments of the white population of the St. Louis area, but you misunderstand the political commitments of the rest of the state. Most of rural MO is southern in voice, way of life, confession, and political commitments. The St. Louis area is predominantly Roman in confession yet, the city and two neighboring counties voted for Amendment 3. IMHO this reflects the increasing liberality, and individulaity of the American Roman laity. Something else to note is that to this day, people in the area love to define themselves in opposition to the "hoosiers" (St. Louis slang for southern, rural people). Thus, if the rural people oppose abortion, that's a sign that i need to favor it so that I don't get lumped in with backward rural people. A silly way to vote but I know people who think that way. So, a sad thing but the Amendment passed when by all measures, it should have failed.

[@abcdeabcde4877]

Depressing to see Americans rubberbanding back into the lolbertarian zone. I thought you guys were finally starting to get it, I guess I was wrong.

[@alternativeavenues7664]

69th comment, boo yah

[@bmc8871]

Ryan coupling Roman Catholic monarchists with ex-Stalinist and Trotskyist as opposed to Anglo-Protestants is desperate cope

[@JoseGomez-n4k]

The only future of Christianity is Catholicism and Orthodoxy and the reunion of those two. There is no place for the leftist revolutionary ideology that Protestantism inherently contains

[@prestoneskridge10]

He was correctly stating that they were all in the National Review camp

[@bmc8871]

@ Making it a coalition of (((ex-Communist))) and Roman Catholics vs Anglo-Protestants is a false dichotomy. Yes, Buckley was a Catholic as were others at National Review. But he was trained at Yale, an Anglo-Protestant institution par excellence and most of the actual left that they were fighting WERE Anglo-Protestants. So this is cope to deal with the failures of the mainline Protestant churches (Anglo-Protestant) capitulation to liberalism.

[@StephenCarter-y5k]

I am getting the impression that Ryan Turnipseed is what Richard Spencer refers to as a ‘racist liberal’. I deeply dislike this type. Basically there’s nothing glorious or beautiful to advocate for, instead what we are supposed to do is try to defend a more racist version of small town 1950s American South. I don’t find that appealing at all. I really hope these guys don’t get any traction, this is the least appealing version of the right. At least with the fascists you get something exciting even if it’s also evil - these guys it’s all about being a rural hick basically and believing bullshit about Locke and George Washington

[@TheEngineerd]

We have a representative from the left side of the bell curve. Welcome, welcome.

[@TheEngineerd]

Here is your free helmet in case you fall over.

[@ironsides982]

Thanks for the concern trolling. Everyone say hello to the regimist Please keep using racism as a pejorative so that I know to place your opinion into the folder labeled "unimportant".

[@RichardPhillips1066]

​@@ironsides982might I suggest the spam folder, unimportant is neutral / normal

[@fancyhitchpin8675]

Cities are degenerate, and Spencer is a ghé man.