NEW RULES! Emperor's Children vs Aeldari | Warhammer 40k Battle Report

Emperor's Children fans! Are you tired of not actually having a real detachment to use? Well, Lawrence has written you a whole detachment entirely for free! Check out this battle report to see it tested out against one of the best armies in the game - the Aeldari!
There are plenty of nods to older edition rules and the updating of some of them for 10th Edition in here, whilst also keeping the distinct flavour of what an Emperor's Children army should be compared to the existing Death Guard, Thousand Sons and World Eaters.
These rules are intended to be a supplement to the existing Index Emperor's Children that you can download from Games Workshop.
The rules are entirely fan made and in no way official or endorsed by Games Workshop Limited. Permission is granted to download the PDF rules below for personal use.
See you on the battlefield!
Lawrence
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[@crazyshak4827]

Lawrence: "Fine, I'll do it myself." Looking forward to seeing the new detachment in action! Great way to start my Saturday!

[@aris895]

A hell of a lot more interesting than the patch job fix GW are calling an "Index" - Nice work Spider - They look fun and very playable without any OP abilities that normally can be a byproduct of custom made rules.

[@tabletoptactics]

Glad to hear. It was intended to make them fun to use and decent enough to compete with. Nothing too crazy!

[@LoneWolf20213]

@@tabletoptactics do you plan to work on the thousand sons next, many people complain about the lack of phykic dreadnoughts in the army making them almost not worth bringing, which is odd considering they do exist

[@Luciusthestorms]

@@tabletoptactics have you made any updates to the index lately? Wondering what icons would do under this new index since the EC don't seem to use dark pacts.

[@tabletoptactics]

@Luciusthestorms I haven’t updated it since the game. There are a few things I would change already, such as re-rolls 1s to hit in combat or ranged attacks instead of the +1WS or +1BS. I would have to take a look at icons too :)

[@LoneWolf20213]

@@tabletoptactics do you plan to change the thousand sons, their dreadnauts are especially bad

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Haven't watched yet but read the rules and they're really cool - the Revelry in Discord enhancement especially is an awesome idea! Interesting use of battleshock

[@Malllttt]

Screaming ravens rule pack when?

[@warp-smith]

Hi Paul!! I think u should do something like this w screaming ravens!

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

​@@warp-smith I did lmao. At least a first draft. I made a video about it

[@warp-smith]

@@PaulIsBadAtStuff ahh my bad- I think I was busy when it came out- I’ll give it a look tho!

[@Yalnif05]

Great to see Lawrence with his beloved Emperors Children!❤

[@Malllttt]

It’s awesome to see you spearheading community rules packs, complete with play testing. Would love to see more!

[@LoneWolf20213]

i feel people would rather play by tabletop tactics rules instead of the official due to the fact these rules were made by fans who understand the army better than GW will ever be able to

[@alsbartrr]

David Bowie singing on 40k. You guys made my day 😂😂😂

[@yuridezanet7560]

That's a really cool homebrew however I do have a concern: the +1 to ballistic (and I think also weapon even if it didn't came out during this play) seems to be a bit much, it gives a lot of fire power especially considering the "ignore malus" rule. I suggest a fix with: reroll 1s to hit for ranged/melee weapons.

[@tabletoptactics]

Thanks for the feedback, could definitely change it to that :)

[@josephmakarov6908]

COME AND SING THE SONG OF SLAANESHHH!!!

[@tabletoptactics]

🎵 🎵

[@warp-smith]

Saxophone playing intensifies 🎷🎷

[@demon1103]

Memories of Maraviglia creep back in............*shudders*

[@michaelhansen2309]

THINGS SHALL GET LOUD NOW! 🎸🎸

[@broony77]

Great content recently. Well worth my on demand subscription. Thanks TT!

[@tabletoptactics]

Enjoy and thanks for the support :)

[@TsarLuna]

Was awesome to see the Spider having fun with his new toys. Any game with Bard is always a pleasure as well. Thanks legends for a great battle.

[@tabletoptactics]

Thanks for your support my friend :)

[@WarmasterIrraz]

Really great rules Lawrence! I think the only thing I would change is have any leader that can lead chosen can lead noise marines, so you can have a sorcerer or Fabius Bile as well. I can't wait to try these rules myself!

[@isawaryokage]

Loved the idea of this detachment! Specially that it does have good powerful things without relying on rerolls. Super cool stuff!

[@LayingLionII]

I loved watching this. I am happy to the attention on the EC army and the sheer enjoyment yall have. We need more of that good sportsmanship and fun.

[@corvaxblackfeather6529]

Nice to see the Spider doing battle again! Go evil one! LAUGHT, PRANCE... RIP the reality asunder!

[@ridleyvaliant3738]

Having had a watch and a read, I think its a cracking effort at homebrew rules. Hoooooowever, my immediate feeling is its overtuned slightly. Army wide ignore modifiers is hellishly strong. Especially into Eldar for example where their entire defensive agency is built largely around modifiers, especially when combined with + to hit, or also ignore cover. I would probably replace the ignore modifiers with something else but I can't say what, thematically, that would be. Criticals to hit and wound on 5s maybe? Fatal Sonancy felt cheap. The ability to throw out mortal wounds is still very strong. The change I'd make however is make it cheaper and better, go off on 3s but one use per battle. The strats however all feel on point. I'd possibly change sonic grenades to -1 to hit on the charging unit when they attack, rather than -2 to charge. But thats just an opine, it certainly isn't broken. Hellbrute change looks good. Minor addendum needed on the elixirs. My assumption is the +1 strength is melee only? That's my take on the rules and honestly think you've done a great job with both this and the Harlequin detachments and would love to see you all take a crack at some other armies that are sat waiting for codices.

[@thewhitesamurai]

that Lucius model looks great would love to know how to make one myself

[@Fluxram]

I dont know if its been said but +1 to WS/BS alongside ignore modifiers is crazy good, maybe rerolling 1s would be a better option. Also the main rule is like the doctrine equivalents many armys have but instead of 3 for 3 turns its 5 for 5, I would drop the FNP and the +1 move if I was making the decision. I think bringing that in line and fixing the +WS/BS thing would make a really solid but balanced ruleset in line with what we see elsewhere. Regardless its great work and I hope we get something this interesting when the book eventually drops.

[@PhilipRikoZen]

Been saying it forever, 40K can be easily fixed from Community ruling and homebrew, only tryharders and gatekeepers are against it, happy to see a pillar and expert stepping up to the plate to lead the way, well done!

[@syvus1307]

never watched tabletop tactics, but i love the energy of the guy piloting the aeldari, hes got the energy of a cbbc/horrible history presenter in the best way possible

[@georgiots1409]

I love your emperor's children army, Lawrence. It inspired me to start my own. I'm building it cautiously because I don't know what would be included in a codex but I'm very excited.

[@SEA_SLOOG]

Can't wait for the EC codex to release!!!

[@sammeffert3736]

Others here mentioned this as well: the +1 to ballistics skill seems very strong. A possible suggestion for balance would be that for shooting in that turn, the unit must pass a leadership test (perhaps with some sort of bonus) or not be able to take advantage of it. This kinda fits the them of the army and some of the other rules. The flavor being that they cranked the noise so loud that even they got distracted. The idea could apply to any other rule/strat as a minor balance shift.

[@stinkygnoba9964]

Amazing battle ! Love the content and the amount of fun you guys have when playing. I love to see the emperor´s children on the battlefield in all their glory! I really want to paint some myself but i am new to the hobby and i cant find any like the ones you guys have.... Keep the good content up .

[@VarakClawbinder]

The Srar Lance song and the fit of laughter that followed are shining examples of why I still watch this channel when I've given up on almost all other battle report channels. You guys have fun and it makes it fun.

[@AdamOnAnalogue]

Great fun to watch. Fyi - Banshee's have 4+ Invul against melee attacks, but easily forgotten amongst all the carnage and laughter.

[@andrewt9128]

I'm sure someone else has said it but the Blastmaster Single Frequency is 3 shots, not 1 Love seeing EC on the tabletop

[@Nipponson86]

Great battle rep and I love the painting jobs of the both armies

[@daemonnexusknight]

I love this! Been playing EC since I started in 8th and it is cool to see them having fun and fluffy rules! Great job with that Lawrence. :)

[@warp-smith]

Woo! More cool homebrew rules like this and the custodes pls!!!

[@lgiproperties3574]

Great job Lawrence, this looks very interesting!

[@Waffle-Habit]

I love creativity in 40K. I miss it being a bit silly. Excited for this.

[@neilbatterham8370]

Loved this one as it's my old army vs a version of one I'm working on now. That moment in turn 2 when the dreadnaught ignored the d cannon shot almost made me shout out give me the d thankfully I'm supposed to be a grown up so settled for a quiet chuckle.

[@azachan237]

That was awesome! Great job on the detachment! Doing Geedubs job better than they do! Would be keen to see more for armies that are spending too long waiting for something new!

[@VaneHartless473]

Nice Batrep! Good job on the flavor of the rules

[@Johnnythat1dude]

I love these rules ya made! They aren't OP, but they're clearly pretty tough, but very cool. Also using a lot of staple rules we know and repeating some stratagems well.

[@ChainsawDunDeez]

YES.... as an EC player...Im very interested in your detachment idea + references to old EC options + love Spiders Army... I've just been using Zealots detachment.. all infanty have Mark of Slannesh, all vehicles ( landrider + Laz Pred) + transports ( rhinos) with the mark of Noise (nurgle) as 5+ Susstained affects firing deck weapons .. it has worked well.. but only had 3 games of Pariah Nexus

[@asmo69]

Great Work! Really want to try these out. FYI though... you forgot to add the OC 2 for Noise Marines into the document :)

[@thatguyyoumightfindatthest9807]

Okay but in all genuine seriousness, I'll be using any data slates and detachment lists you folks make. The quality and balance of your battle reports shows that you've got a real talent for making better things than GW, and I'm all for it. Love to see your work in the future!

[@knackigbrot]

My two armies fighting? This can only be great!

[@Nihilistyx]

Love this - looking forward to trying it out.

[@boothbytcd6011]

Good stuff Lawrence (and of course Bard as well).

[@Kalemvir1]

I clicked on the vid like "what new rules? Gw just put a 2 sheets index that says 'play generic chaos lol'" then you open with "well we made our own!" "Oooh, now im interested, carry on!" Great content ^^

[@jameshennessy1507]

I think the rules are well done. They remind me of Gladius Marines how they can choose their ability based on what will be handy to have each turn.

[@brainstorm90]

who makes that amazing Lucius mini?

[@d3fepona]

Hears lash of submission, gets instant ptsd.

[@dlw4822]

this is AWSOME. Thanks Lawrence!!!😃

[@xEzekielx1]

Where is the lucius the eternal model from? It's amazing, best I've seen of him

[@bobbywatson2737]

It's a unique conversion from Siege Studio iirc

[@gtspaint4749]

Thanks guys. Super fun. Do you ever think about doing a kill team game?

[@3ggh3ad]

i do love the "temptation dice" of hedonites of slaanesh in AoS , hopefully they get something similar in 40k

[@adept5500]

Good fun! And a good reminder that for super-official and balanced isn’t the most important part of playing toy soldiers with friends.

[@Faqmevafan]

I so believe an EC list should have less vehicles and add some termies. Of course also include fulgrim.

[@ssmedja]

Wow! Love the Lucius model!

[@saddonkey4499]

I really enjoy your Community Index for Emperor's Children. It all feels very balanced and thematic. I'm especially enamored with the name for your army rule, "Adorn the Canvas Eclectic." Brilliant! I was curious about your Strategem, "Intoxicating Allure." Did you consider making it a dice roll to prevent an enemy unit from Falling Back instead of forcing a Desperate Breakout?

[@mattiasgamin3891]

This is awesome Lawrence!

[@tabletoptactics]

Thanks, glad you like it :)

[@kimsebimse6603]

i hope you have sent your rules to GW, Lawrence :)

[@tabletoptactics]

I may as well 😄

[@kimsebimse6603]

@@tabletoptactics i know you say in the video that you hope GW is watching it or something along those lines.. if i were you i would make sure they saw it by sending it in :D just saying :)

[@wrongkilo]

Hell yeah!! I love this concept

[@peterlaszlo9830]

Read the rules and loved it Its perfection 😉 Only had one thing to comment and that is the super good Enhancement Fatal Sonancy. It should be 30-35p not 20p Right now its a must have in your army. You could downgrade it att keep it thematic instead and do 6 dice on 6+

[@tabletoptactics]

Thanks for the feedback - yeah could make it go off on 6+ for sure :)

[@bobbywatson2737]

​@tabletoptactics : I think 20pts is quite balanced ; the stat is on average 2MW for 20pts, that seems ok, 30pts or more would be overpriced.

[@bobbywatson2737]

6dices on 6+ would be 1MW on average. For 20pts it would be far overpriced !

[@ChrisNihilus]

I'm going to play it next week.

[@peppermintshore]

Love it the sons of Slannesh vs the Parents of Slannesh

[@dmeep]

Eating all the soulstones like candy

[@HighlandPhoenix]

I approve these EC Army rules…!

[@DaFalk216]

GW: "What's your source on all these cool new rules?" Lawrence: "My source is that I made it the f*ck up!"

[@dcdcc7742]

The emperor has spoken

[@StrangeKvol]

Those rules seem fun :D

[@dorzimm]

Fantastic and flavorful rules - you really DID do GW's job. Love this for constructive ways of criticizing the official laziness, much like common sense and balanced D&D homebrew.

[@williamlyon7553]

Now, all we need is some homebrew Fulgrim rules😜, jokes aside. i think the rules look great!

[@shade419]

A great game! Love these custom rules for the Emperor's Children! I do have a warhammer related question, but it's not about the game. Do you folks have any interest in playing Wrath and Glory for your next TTRPG?

[@cullenasaro2229]

ok but where are you getting the intro music from your videos always have bangers

[@yuridezanet7560]

Would you consider to make a format where you routinely try out the homebrew from your subscribers to see how they work?

[@The_Blackshield]

Now this is how to start the weekend. :D

[@shadowblaster124]

Magic disappearing die at 18:46

[@jamescococokelet6668]

some times i feel the armys have detachment or army rules to compensate foer things built into their points cost. but who knows.

[@jonathanhaynes9914]

Looks nice, Spider.

[@tabletoptactics]

Thanks mate!

[@timostegemann9738]

EC have so much Potential. Its just discouraging that they need soooo lang for the second wave of these armies like with world eaters

[@natemendelson9284]

I really would like to know where you got the custom helmets for the elder. I would love to get my hands on some for my army

[@danielwideman5255]

I think Lawrence has made a great detachment. I'd like to see it against a better matchup. It literally seems to negate every Eldar advantage at a time when they already have equal attacks at less hit and wound chance on more fragile platforms. This game wasn't as close as the players seemed to think it was.

[@francismetherell4919]

Hmm. Bard's rolling vs. Spider's rolling. Wonder how that'll go? :P

[@OniFeez]

About Fatal Sonancy, I think 20 pts is probably too much actually, given that for free you have access to the grenade strat. I guess the only difference between them is that you can use that in addition to the Grenades strat and presumably in combat. But it's also possible that you can not get any mortal wounds out of it, even over multiple turns, so that's why I don't think this is worth it. Perhaps just change it to a 20pts item that you just automatically inflict D3 mortal wounds on a target if within range. As to all your special rules in general. It kinda just feels you have taken essentially the Blessing of Khorne mechanic and made it your own with a bit of Emperor's Children flair. It's interesting I suppose, but honestly I would probably just take the Feel No Pain response the entire game through. I mean, at some point being BS2+ but ignoring modifiers to hit feels just superfluous, and while the WS or BS change is cool (but once again ignoring to hit modifiers in conjunction with that feels, while not OP does feel lacklustre in comparison) I can't really think of any situation where I would want that over the fnp, even the small fnp anyway (I am trying to think of other sources that give fnp within the army).

[@tabletoptactics]

Thanks for the feedback :) It is quite similar to the grenade strat, which is what makes it a little more tricky to keep unique and balanced. I’ll have a think :)

[@blade2453]

Did you change the blastmaster single frequency? You didn’t mention that change, but you only took one shot with it (at least in turn 1) and it normally had 3 shots

[@the_musing_kravist]

If you keep fixing the rules like this (loved the Custodes batrep) I might end up watching and playing this game again. 😏

[@ChernobylKid]

that was fun

[@rudigerschwake4234]

Greetings from Germany Great to see the EC Rules. I like it. Go on and add Fulgrim. And maybe a EC Sonic Version of the Forgefiend. Or a Sonic Version of a tank.

[@lieutenantartus]

I really hope they remake the sonic dreadnought into a new helbrute kit when EC are updated

[@lite165]

nice vibes

[@francescofranzini7090]

I have a question: on minute 1:01:00 in the Aeldari turn you are attacking Noise Marines with Jain Zar and howling banshees in an attached unit. When you resolve Jain Zar attacks you use the Aeldari reroll and then you use it again with the hit roll of the banshee Exarch. Is it correct? Because I thought that as an attached unit you could use only one reroll, because core rules say that attached unit count as one single unit. Thank you

[@thierrysultan1468]

Well I'd say ... Thanks !

[@mrviking8450]

Star Lance single release when?

[@silastrafford7181]

Can anyone show me how to make my aeldari like this guys? I love that the shining spears have the wraith lord look!

[@bastionwargaming7965]

Very good battle rerport! These EC rules seem so offical, and awesome. :) GW use Spider's idea! Though i wish there was more focus on other aspects of slaanesh, not just sound. On a side note, it so irritating that Asuryani are called Aeldari in the codex, the same as the name of the whole race. It makes Dark Eldar/Druhkari as if they aren't Aeldari. So confusing.

[@xandermcdonald8543]

Actually, Dark Eldar do have the aeldari keyword too, it comes up when playing an Ynnari army that can have up to half the army as Dark Eldar as the detachment rule and many of the stratagems can target any Aeldari unit including the dark eldar (most rules that let you include other factions, like daemons in CSM, don’t work like this). Very useful to get those rerolls on dark lances

[@bastionwargaming7965]

@@xandermcdonald8543 Agree. :) I'm aware of them havig the Aeldari keyword, but the names are misleading. Aeldari is the name of the whole race not just Asuryani. It's even weider when there are a codex Aeldari and Drukhari separately, strengthening the idea of Drukhari not belonging to the same race. :) So, I'm not talking abut the rules, bur rather lore. :)

[@henrywilson1578]

Banshees get a 4+ invun against melee attacks!

[@brokenheroics8223]

Let's Go.

[@DanRobotMan]

The name of the detachment is redundant. May I offer an alternative? Profligacy Perfected

[@ElGrompho666]

These rules seem fun, decently powerful (but not overpowered) and GW should steal them. The fact that their rules team couldn't come up with something even remotely similar when you just sat down for half a day makes me think that they probably didn't try at all. Which then makes me hope that Emperor's Children aren't too far out and actual rules are already being written for them. I know, I'm a dreamer.

[@arvidsteene7197]

you´ll get a codex soon so I think it would be a waste to have it have an detachment

[@MrDangadave]

My 10th ed faction are Emperor's children/CSM... I painted all my boys in "burn your eyes out" 🩷 pink. From the first game my pink hell brute got the name Kurt Cobain. Bloody amazing at what he does but.... always fails dark pacts and hazardous so..... Yep he deads himself.

[@burnbobquist8999]

Iam planing to do the same for Inquisition/Agents, because the Agents rules are dumb and make no sense. Since we are playing a Crusade campaign right now the need to balance it is well secondary. xD

[@davidedwards267]

How close were you to writing Fulgrim rules?

[@tabletoptactics]

I was very tempted 😅

[@Cursedsama]

As a relatively newer player that loves EC, thanks for not only a cool glimpse into some older rules they used to have, but also for doing the work GW could have done at a bare minimum!

[@Nero24200]

Can you write the AOS Slaanesh Index too? I'm writing this before watching the video so I have no idea how good your EC rules actually is but GW have set the bar for it very low.