New RV New Roof + Leaks + EVERYTHING is breaking | EP26 Full time RV

[@craigmiller8760]

Your video is sending chills down my spine. The wife and I just bough a 2022 Beacon 41 LKB last month, put it in a nearby park until we are ready to go and sold our house. We are going full time and are moving into it this weekend (Memorial Day). If I had seen this video first I don't think I would have purchased our VanLeigh. I also just finished watching your horrifying water leak video. Not a comforting feeling. I really hope we don't share you luck. Hope things start going better for you. I subscribed and will be keeping tabs on your progress. Best of luck!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Congrats to both of you and we wish you the very best on the full time adventure! Selling our home was SUCH a big effort but such a relief once it was all said and done 😎 We do believe our Beacon is an outlier and has MANY MORE issues than most...unfortunate for us but hopefully promising for you! There are more issues coming up on our channel (unfortunately) but we hope to share a lot more fun and a lot less issues! Thanks for watchin! 👍

[@ibznu]

From videos I've seen from other VanLeigh owners it seems suspension and frame issues can be a big problem. So much so that I'm going to have all the leaf springs replaced and have the frame reinforced before we hit the road. I'm wondering if those issues might be coming up in one of your future vids. Guess we'll know soon enough.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Yes...you will know soon 😐 I think you are on the right path with the reinforcing and checking those leaf springs too! 👍

[@georgemulligan8958]

They were purchased by Thor and now are overpriced junk. I owned 2 and traveled non-stop for 5 years with zero major issues.

[@falcorthewonderdog2758]

So many quality issues with 5th wheel trailers. I'm in a 20 plus year old class A that is still holding up better than the newer RVs. It's a National Dolphin LX I guess they were pretty well built. I got mine with 12k miles on it. Put 30k on it in 4 years. No roof issues no hardware issues. Minor maintenance on engine and of course new tires but other than that it's been incredible. On my 5th year full timing in this rig.

[@rvfuntimes6144]

We've owned our 2017 Vilano 325 RL since Sept. 2016. We visited Danny for our first time when they were still in Belmont next to Belmont Diesel services, and it was only one Bay. Oct. 2016 He said next time we will be coming to the new Building at Tishomingo. This was the first yr. we have missed having our unit not have a annual check-up. Love the whole bunch there at TSC. look forward to stopping in this fall for some TLC from which ever Service Man we are assigned. We are presently volunteering at the Tetons and will run by TSC on the way back to Florida for the winter. Keep smiling guys.Oh best move you've made is taking it to TSC.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Yes, we really like Danny. He has helped us through many fixes and we’ve appreciated all his efforts! We have yet to visit the Tetons and look forward to doing that once we get back out there! 👍🏼

[@robertmeyers8884]

i’m feel for both of you,my wife and had the same problem on one 5th wheel and the frame broke .we retained an attorney sued for lemon law got all our money back,attorney fees then baught a motor home nothing but problems they don’t build them with any craftsmanship

[@seymourscagnetti1413]

I am sorry to hear you are having so many issues with your brand new "Van Leaks" fifth wheel. Many others here have commented that this coach is a Lemon. I have to agree.

[@pugetlexus]

dropped in on a few of your videos, i was compelled to. my logic told me this story had to get better- a happy ending. im still waiting for that happy ending. my next service center call would have been to a product liability lawyer...bless your hearts for persevering....i think.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thanks for watching! I know it’s been a rough road but we keep pushing forward. So glad to have you with us!! 😎

[@CatFoodDraino]

Dang my friend. This is just wild. I know this is an older video and I’m working my way thru your newer ones. I hope things get better for ya!

[@azstargazer912]

I recently stumbled onto your KZbin channel. I think this is only the second video I have watched. But I have to say, you two are saints!!! Keeping a good attitude after what has happened to you during this episode shows a lot about your character, which is amazing. I look forward to seeing more of your journeys. Stay safe and happy travels!

[@MidlifeDetour]

THANK YOU for all your KIND words! I think you made our night! 🙂 It has been challenging at times but we choose to stay positive. So far, things are getting addressed and we are hopeful that we can really start enjoying our travels. Thanks for watching! 😊

[@Liimpy]

Reaffirms while i will never buy anything but northwoods products again, they may not be the biggest or fanciest rigs, but the quality is unmatched, i couldn't find a single issue when new, the fit & finish was perfect and 7 years later still not a single problem

[@MidlifeDetour]

7 years problem free! Can't beat that! wow. That is awesome! We had a Momentum that only had 2 easily fixable warranty items while we owned it. That was a fun rig! 👍

[@bfn6ghh]

I'm surprised I thought this Tiffin Beacon is top of the line with quality. I was shocked that you had so many problems. You both are very calm. This really sucks. I hope things get better

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you! We sure hope things will get better...seems like they have to! 😜 We have our days or moments of discouragement but we try to keep positive because if we didn't, we wouldn't enjoy any part of this journey. 🙂👍

[@johnhaithcock1919]

Awesome. I own a 2018 Vilano 365 and have been to the service center 3 times. It is a fabulous place and they do wonderful work. I will be watching your other videos. I found your site because I am looking at adding solar to my RV and your installhappened to come up and I saw you had a Beacon. I have been full timing in my Vilano since Dec 2017. Hang in there!

[@MidlifeDetour]

We are definitely hanging in there! 🙂We love our solar! I think that’s our favorite part about our rig! Haha

[@oldguysrule5895]

You two are saints. No way could we deal with all of what you have done. Beacons are beautiful and we have thought about one. Having seen yours, no way no how. I’ll just keep my current rig. Hoping you get it all squared away. Good luck.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, thank you! We have our moments! 😉 We know our Beacon is an outlier…but we agree keeping your current rig could be the best decision! 👍🏼

[@shelleywalker6225]

I hate that you had so many issues but thank you for sharing your experience. Having access to that service center is awesome. I wish more manufacturers had similar facilities. Looking forward to your follow up video.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, we really don't want to be negative and try not to be BUT we also feel like we owe it to our subscribers to be as transparent as possible. Yes, the service center is such a better alternative to the dealership! Thank you for watching! 🙂

[@richbradbury]

Great video, I’m glad I built my own, I converted a bus. I used all plywood, it has a permanent steel roof, home plumbing, custom built cabinets, 1800 watts solar, 8 KWH LifePO, heated floors, dual furnaces (propane and diesel), mini split AC, 100 gallons fresh water, ceramic tile bathroom, barn sink, queen bed, on demand hot water heater, no slides, two TV’s, Starlink internet, five 24/7 security cameras, two Alexa’s and a 6x7.5’ roof top deck (synthetic wood). I’m currently at 9000 feet camping for free (views are stunning). I haven’t plugged in for 8 weeks. It’s not as big inside as that fifth wheel, but I’m a high clearance bus. Total cost about 40K US dollars and 1200 hours of work.

[@MidlifeDetour]

That sounds fantastic! We have used Starlink since December and it has been awesome! Ryan is a camera "tech" guy so we have always had a plethora of them in our home and now in the rig! Thanks for watchin! 😎

[@princessmarlena1359]

Niiiiiice!

[@kerryloper6142]

One of my biggest issues with manufacturers and dealerships. Each one of those entities should have been thru the rig to make sure all was ok and in working order. They have quality control departments at the manufacturer for a reason and the dealerships it’s all about the money. Only you will truly care about your rig. I’ve seen the same video for almost all manufacturers and dealerships. Well not all but you know what I mean. You are a pillar of patience!! While I have patience, my house falling apart and destroying essentials like floors and items not working like air conditioners would put me over the edge. I hope they do you right!! It’s sad that these are being pumped out without the quality. My best to your family as you travel. Be safe!!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Yes, we know what you mean! We keep hearing we have a lot patience 😎 We trust there are a lot more adventures ahead for us! Thank you for the well wishes and for watchin! 😊

[@bghall46]

Omg, I just started watching your videos but really enjoy them. I feel like I am only 1 or 2 problems in my RV before my wife would make us quit. After watching your videos and how you keep a positive attitude with all the issues you have had, I applaud you and wish you well.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, can’t say we haven’t struggled with feeling defeated with all of our issues. We want it to work so much. We are determined to stay positive and learn and take in as much of this life as we can 😎👍🏼 thank you so much for watchin! 🙂

[@rtoadontheroad]

Wow…I would be throwing in the towel at this point. From one Idaho person to another , you patient!

[@MidlifeDetour]

The towel was in hand a few times, trust us! It has been quite a journey of mixed emotions and back and forth with how we feel about our rv! 🥴

[@kbVACArestatecarsnrvs]

And this helps to understand the breaking news today from Tiffin and Vanleigh production being stopped for good. It's just not the market, inflation, stock, etc.. The product not being so quality in numbers will be a warranty nightmare for any company. Sorry for all of you who bought. I've had my share of years and problems with a Forest River Class A product so don't wish it on anyone!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you so much for your comment and feedback! Sorry you’ve had your fair share! We look forward to getting things resolved and moving forward! 👍🏼🥴

[@HSTWXMAN]

Oh my goodness, I can’t believe you have had all those issues in your first months. I just replaced my roof in my 1998 coachman truck camper:)

[@MidlifeDetour]

We look forward to adventure ahead! Thanks for watchin! 😎👍

[@Drvinnieboombatts]

Wow in a VANLIEGH

[@andycommonsincanada]

We have an 2021 Alliance 36 V 11 Toy Hauler and like you nothing but issues, that said Alliance have been absolutely fantastic to deal with sending me parts so I can fix most of them. Yes it really does matter about the back up service eh.

[@MidlifeDetour]

ABSOLUTELY! We know that to be true of Alliance! It is really about customer service! We met Bill Martin when we did a tour and Ryan has talked to him and received guidance from him even though we don’t own an alliance! They definitely have that part right!! 👍🏼

[@janebray9392]

We bought a Taylor Coach, custom made to what we wanted, has a 4 year build warranty. We are travelling 3k miles to get it, sooo exciting! Hope all your issues are now fixed! 🙋‍♀️🇨🇦👍⛽️⛽️⛽️‼️

[@MidlifeDetour]

Congrats on your new coach! We traveled 2,000 for ours so we know what thats like! Really exciting! Good luck to you!! Thanks for watching! 😎👍

[@gwwj]

Crazy! Scratch that one from the list. You guys are much more patient that I could ever be.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Maybe we are more patient than we should be...We do believe ours has some underlying issues that are not common with other VanLeighs. 😐

[@jimmyjimjim3054]

HOLY COW !!!!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Yah….that’s a good way to put it! 😬 🐮

[@MichaelRyan-bv4hp]

oh wow i feel for you guys

[@TilFurtherNotice]

Wow! I think you guys have had more issues than we have with ours! Smart to book out at the service center. Great attitude! Great editing too! Hope you can get back to traveling and enjoy your rv now! Maybe we will see you out on the road! Safe travels

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, honestly, at the time of this video, we were only showing about 1/3 of the total issues and since then we have added. We are working to get everything resolved the best it can be and truly believe ours is an outlier. Hopefully you and US can enjoy our travels! Hope to see you both on the road! 😊

[@TilFurtherNotice]

@@MidlifeDetour yikes! We thought ours was an outlier as well. Sorry you are having so many issues!

[@LandCruiserMidwest]

after I watched this I bought more duct tape and super glue stock !!! Keep buying it !!!

[@rbriggs2536]

So sorry you are going through this. The bright side is you are still under warranty. Just be sure you don’t have mold that is starting. If you can find someone that has an infrared camera, that would detect where all the moisture is. Good luck…sending you positive vibes.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Yes, we are under warranty and thats a good thing! GOOD reminder about the mold with all the water! Thanks so much and we are definitely keeping positive and looking forward to adventure ahead! 😎

[@keithrowell8895]

@@MidlifeDetour. I wish you 2 the best in your future

[@rbriggs2536]

Keep us updated! 💙

[@MidlifeDetour]

THANK YOU SO MUCH! 🙂

[@peggypreston6466]

We have had our RV for year and half and the dealership has had it for about a year getting stuff repaired. We only use less than 10 times.

[@MidlifeDetour]

OH WOW! That is way too long and extremely frustrating, I am sure! I hope you get to enjoy it without issue! 👍🏼

[@garyp9906]

Our 2019 Coachmen Catalina has been nothing but problems since we bought it new. First, it was raining and I had the air-conditioner on. I noticed water dripping from the air-conditioner. I thought it was condensation. Nope. The dealer checked it and the air-conditioner was so loose, he said that he could almost turn it sideways!! OK, got that fixed. He noticed they didn't bother to put caulk on one side of the RV. He took care of that. Next, when slide is retracted (closed) and it rains, I have a couple of gallons of water sitting on the top of the slide inside! I replaced the seals myself and it still does it. Next, I noticed one wheel is wearing uneven on the inside. All other 3 are fine. Probably a loose wheel bearing. Next, the power switch on the bumper power lift broke. I had to replace that. I could keep going, but it would take several more paragraphs to write. I'm almost scared to take the camper anywhere now, for fear of something else going wrong. They make these things like junk. Anyway, nice video and thank you for posting!!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Wow, we are so sorry about ALL of your issues and know how you feeling! When the issues are relentless it sure does put a damper on travel adventure! It is NOT not just ONE manufacturer, it is a growing issue among many! 😐We hope for LESS problems in the future for the both of us!! Thanks for sharing your issues and good luck to you!

[@maureenrebele2071]

We were at the service center on April 18-20 and they did an amazing job. Our unit is a 2017 325rl and luckily our repairs were minor. Even after 5 years. we look forward to our visits there. We travel from NH but make it a part of a longer trip. The week we were there it was packed. It looks like during your stay it might have been a little quieter. Good luck with your rig and i hope they have addressed all of your issues.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you! 😎The service center has done repairs for us. We are so glad your repairs have been minor, We have friends who have had very minimal and we wish that could be us too! We met some friends there a on the 18th! YES, THEY WERE PACKED! The most we've seem there.

[@maureenrebele2071]

@@MidlifeDetour Best of luck to you . We did have some major repairs in the beginning (not nearly as many as you) but once everything was taken care of, it got a lot better. Keep the great videos coming. I really enjoy them.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, thank you! So glad you got yours taken care of, We know and understand that RV's have issues and were prepared for THAT but not THIS . We hope for lots more adventure and less repairs 👍 Thank you for watchin and for positive support! It means a lot!

[@rvfuntimes6144]

Just curious what your 325 last three digits our. Ours is 325.

[@maureenrebele2071]

@@rvfuntimes6144 485

[@jeffgerritsen972]

Wow! What an ordeal you folks went through with the Beacon!!!!!! In Dec 2020 (we live in Boise Idaho too) I purchased a 24 foot car hauling trailer and converted it to a toy hauler. After watching several of your videos, it gives me a sense of contentment that I did my own cargo trailer conversion. Yes the fit and finish is not as good as a Beacon, but we've already spent two winters in AZ with Friends without any issues. We were thinking of someday purchasing a "nice" 5th wheel, but after seeing your videos, I have great pause! Maybe I'll get a bigger car hauling trailer and do another conversion! With lessons learned from the first conversion, the 2nd would be much a much nicer build.

[@MidlifeDetour]

That is awesome! I can’t say a conversation hasn’t crossed my mind as our experience hasnt been stellar. I would love to see your rig the next time we are in Boise if you are open to it. Reach out to us through our contact form on our website at midlifedetour.us

[@princessmarlena1359]

My fraternal twin brother was able to negotiate for a much cheaper price on his airstream trailer when he found all of the faults with it. He was able to talk them down and do all of the repairs and upgrades on his own and it worked out great for him. He no longer owns that trailer (sold it for a tiny house, then later sold the tiny house so he could build an actual house on his property).

[@MidlifeDetour]

That’s excellent! Sounds like he worked out a great deal and has had many adventures! 😎👍🏻 Ryan loves Airstream!

[@hannahrose5924]

Oh boyyy.. this is such a good video! I’m sure you’re excited to get back on the road for more adventures!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you! Yes, we are hoping for GREAT adventures coming soon! 😎

[@ouRVisionnomadicliving]

Hey you two. Fantastic video as always. I find your videos so fascinating as you take us along for the journey. Ryan your quite the story teller and you certainly keep me engaged. Wow, as you were taking us through many of the issues you have experienced with your new rig I was just sitting here shaking my head. I can only imagine what a roller coaster of emotions the both of you were dealing with as one thing after another kept happening. Being out here on the road does have its issues, its always an adventure; however after watching this video I would think many would just throw in the towel. Angie and I have RVed for over 30 years and we have experienced a variety of issues with each of the 4 rigs we have owned over the years, but nothing in comparison to what you two have had to deal with, You must have went to bed at night wondering what would go wrong the next day. Crazy. All that said, it sounds like Vanleigh is trying to get all of these issues resolved. Lets hope once they resolve the issues that have manifest, it will be smooth sailing and miles and miles of big teething smiles for years to come. Take Care and Safe travels you two!! 🍻 Sean & Angie

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, once again you made our night! We are glad you enjoy our videos ! Ryan IS definitely a great story teller and he is so talented with the editing. (He would tell me NOT to talk about him but he isn't here so I can do what I want! 😎) We know our rig has way too many issues and we are really trying to stay positive. Thanks for sharing about your experience...its good to know there are good rigs out there and that this isn't normal. Our Grand Design had a couple of very small issues. It sure was a good one! 😎👍 We do hope that there are less fixes and more exploring in our future! Thanks so much for your support! Be safe as well! 🙂

[@robert153448]

ppp0

[@crazyprepper5400]

Lol my 05 same everything. Good luck

[@MidlifeDetour]

Sorry!! Good luck to you as well! 😬👍🏼

[@codyor4483]

You may want to investigate the Lemon Law in Idaho. I'D be shocked if you didn't qualify. There is an RVguy on youtube, alan "Wingman" warren who has the name of a good rv attorney who specializes in Lemon RV'S. You might want to contact him. Good luck. You two have the patience of a saint. Iwould have reported it stolen, and lit a match.

[@kevinmulkin3002]

You said the key words ... be flexible! A recent trip back to our local dealer was only side skirt and fender well damage due to a tire blow out on our last trip in the fall. I just picked up our fifth wheel on 4/29 ... 6 months after I dropped it off. I could not blame the dealer since they could not proceed without parts from the manufacturer. I would have considered trading in as is, but prices are absolutely nuts right now ( double what we paid 6 years ago ). Hopefully the bulk of your issues have been taken care of. Happy travels!

[@MidlifeDetour]

WOW. 6 months. Sorry about that! ugh, The service center was so appealing to us because you can stay in your RV and they only keep you for 4ish days and get it done quickly..unless you have a plethora of issues and cannot fix them all 😐 You are right that prices are so much higher right now! We hope we can get on the road and travel MORE and SOON! 🙂

[@ArcticEngineerNP]

I hope you have better luck in the future. That seems like a lot of work for a newer rig.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you! We do too! It really is a lot for a new rig...and we know new ones will have issues to get worked out, just not this many 👍

[@adamtaylor5590]

I get that things brake but it seems everything broke I would have never expected so much to go wrong on a high end rig like this but also so quickly I’m glad your getting it squared away and you both handled everything like saints!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Definitely were not expecting all of the issues. It has truly been such a disappointment as we had such high hopes for this rig being our “home” but things don’t always turn out how we plan them (as you know) and we had to refocus and keep our chins up and that is exactly what we continue to do every day. We are finding adventure and learning so much as we go. Thanks so much for watchin! 🙂

[@chipangelicamartelle802]

Another awesome video. Glad they were able to get it fixed. Thanks for sharing

[@MidlifeDetour]

THANK YOU for watchin! 😎 We are very thankful for the help we are receiving from the manufacturer 👍

[@mikeventi637]

Just stumbled upon you giys. Great video in all respects of editing how you blend things like topics, music....we to are in a Vanleigh Pinecrest. Knock on wood not the same problems as you guys, and you have a great deal of patience. Can't wait to watch more. Hope things improve. Safe travels!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, thank you so much for your really kind words! Makes our day! It's Ryan who does most all of the creative editing 😎 He's pretty awesome but then again...I am partial 😬 We have friends with a Pinecrest and they love it and have had minimal issues. They are really nice and I love her gray interior! Hope to share MORE adventures than anything else! 👍

[@robinmccune3438]

Sorry to hear about all the problems. We follow another channel who traded their almost new Grand Design Solitude for a smaller Vanleigh fifth wheel. They have had many, many problems. Sounds like both families should have stayed with the Grand Design family. Hope things continue to go better. The other channel - Til Further Notice.

[@MidlifeDetour]

We are looking forward to lots of adventure ahead! Our Momentum was a fantastic rig. We definitely miss it! 😎👍

[@garyhelmers1052]

great video! sorry for your problems! hopefully good adventures ahead, looking forward to your next video!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you! We are also hoping for MORE adventure and less fixing! 😎 Thanks for watchin

[@craigmiller8760]

Well, we did it. We moved into our new Beacon 4 days ago and started our new adventure as full timers. After watching your videos the fist thing I did was inspect all of our systems for things that have gone wrong with your rig. Our list is already disturbing, but nothing close to what you have gone through , YET! After all, its only been a few days. My biggest question for you at this time is, in your video you explained that your roof membrane had some bubbles in it. Is this alone a reason for a membrane replacement? I know your roof also had additional issues that required its replacement. My reason for asking is that I went up on the roof and found multiple bubbles (well over a dozen) in our membrane. I assumed the membrane would have been glued down for full contact across the entire roof. It looks more like it lays unattached over the majority. Did your new roof have any bubbles. Knowing you have resent experience with said issue, I just wanted to get your take on it before I call VanLeigh, assuming they would just give me feel good answers hoping I would go away. Thank you for putting in the effort to produce these videos, I know it is very time consuming, but your are actually doing a great service to other RV'rs like use.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Craig - Congratulations on going full time! Vanleigh will for sure tell you that bubbles in the membrane is normal and to some extent they are correct due to their application process. However there are exceptions. I spent two weeks speaking with Alpha Systems (membrane manufacturer), Vanleigh, installers, third party inspectors and different technicians both private and at dealerships in regards to how Vanleigh does their roofs. Vanleigh will also provide a document from the manufacturer stating why bubbles exist and how it is a normal process of a RV roof. First the good; Vanleigh does secure extra membrane by almost a foot in the front and then 1.5 foot in the back which is then stapled down to the back wall prior to placing on the fiberglass cap. With this process it would make it difficult for the membrane to become detached at the front or rear. It is standard for a Vanleigh to have a "bubble strip" all the way down the unit about 6" in from the edge and this is due to how they build their roofs. They construct the main part of the roof first but leave the last 6 inch edge for when they place the roof on the unit. Once placed they then roll on the glue to the remaining areas and stretch the membrane over the sides of the unit securing with the gutter. In almost every Vanleigh I have been on that strip is present where they do not get the glue to meet up with the already prepped and finished area. Not all Vanleighs have bubbles outside of that strip - Any other bubbles that exist in the membrane around the AC units, skylights or randomly throughout the decking are a direct result from improper installation / light glue application, or not properly smoothing out the material during that application process. Vanleigh will argue that those bubbles are there for expansion and contraction of the membrane. This argument is inconsistent as units built at the same time, curing in the same regions have different results. There could also be light membrane attachment at the decking seams due to the tape they place in those areas to make it smooth - however a proper installation would not reveal that. With all of that said - we all want perfectly flat and smooth roofs but if you have some small bubbles I wouldn't be concerned. I would take the small bubbles and the strip along the side any day of a roof replacement. If you would like additional information feel free to reach out to me directly at [e-mail]

[@virginia2139]

So sorry you have had this experience. They should give you a new one and pay for your hotel and meals.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you so much 😕

[@amyjones5584]

Awesome video thank you for keeping it encouraging . I do have one question , What was wring with the ceiling fan that made it sound like that ? Did they fix it or just replace it ? Mine is making that nose .Stay well and Travel safe .

[@MidlifeDetour]

This was a hard video to make as we really want to keep our channel positive and about adventure BUT when it is so much of what our "adventure" is, thus far, we want to be transparent in what our full time life is like. Honestly, we aren't sure how they fixed the fan but if we look into it and figure that out, I will let you know! We look forward to all the good stuff ahead! Thanks for watching! 😎👍

[@backtoasimplelife]

I am surprised at all the issues you guys are having with such a high end rig. I am sorry to hear all of this. We have a 2018 Palomino Columbus that we purchased as barely used last June. It's been great so far with just a wiring issue with the outside microwave and a few loose pieces of base trim inside, but we don't live in it. We have two small bubbles on our roof, maybe a few inches in diameter. I had done some research and it was indicated that bubbles are caused by not allowing the glue to set long enough before applying the membrane and it should be nothing to worry about as long as the bubbles don't grow. What happened to your membrane?

[@MidlifeDetour]

Our wood decking under our membrane had become separated and unattached from the unit so the decking had to be replaced. Likely the bigger issue was that our roof was elevated as our cabinets and bedroom walls were too tall. To correct this they had to lift our roof up and cut the top of our cabinets down to get the roof to fit down correctly onto the unit. The membrane was replaced during this process. We have a friend that had a Palomino and had great luck with his rig with minimal issues. Thanks for watching!

[@N2it4Now]

Noooo, oh no. You're so calm and patient. I would not be able to talk (too busy shaking my head), and completely bald from pulling my hair out. I would need another gift give away from you for bail money although me shooting someone over this might be justifed!😊 I applaud you both on being so calm and matter of fact. I have to admit I laughed out loud when you showed the fan and your face & comment. On the serious side, I realize Tiffin must be working with you, but has it been "easy?" Have you forwarded all these issues to your 3rd party inspector for their feedback? But on the positive side, it can only get better!! This must be testing the old saying of "roll with it" but hang in there guys. And the rig really does look good!! AND a big thank you for sharing your story. It could not have been easy.

[@MidlifeDetour]

You all keep saying we are calm and patient and I guess we never realized that! We really want to and look forward to a lot more adventure and positive content in the future! BUT we also want to be transparent and keep it real. NOT everyone has so many issues up front but it IS our experience and part of OUR story. The manufacturer is working over time to help get things resolved and we are so grateful for that! 👍😎 Thanks for watching!

[@N2it4Now]

@@MidlifeDetour First a huge thank you for sharing a difficult time/issue. I am really happy to read Tiffin is helping you get things right. I think we're trying to be very supportive when saying you're so calm. Knowing the manufacturer is behind you would help tremendously. So, on to bigger and better days for you guys. Thanks for posting and rock on Midlife!!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, thank you for all the support and kindness AND encouragement! REALLY! 😊

[@Berrypancakes229]

There on camera.

[@tiarewilliams9186]

This is horrifying. I just found your channel and after seeing this would never consider a Vanleigh. I havent seen more videos but I hope this got resolved.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, we are glad you found us! Still in the process of getting things resolved 🙂👍🏼

[@rickgriffith1]

It’s amazing and disappointing to see what’s to be expected even in high end rigs! It really gives me pause. Being flexible is one thing, but the laundry list of items that needed repairs or replacement was just ridiculous on a six month old $150k investment. And on a Tiffin! So much for their reputation. I’m thinking that I might as well spend a lot less on a rig like an Alliance and take my chances. Good luck to you and God bless!👍🏼😎

[@MidlifeDetour]

Yes, we are highly disappointed with the performance of the RV but still hoping for resolution on all the issues and a lot more good travel! We looked at Alliance! They have excellent costumer service and a very loyal following! 👍 I think you should go for it! 😉

[@crazyprepper5400]

You should have had more insulation put in when the roof was off

[@MidlifeDetour]

You are sooo right and I couldn’t agree more. I had taken the pics of it opened up and by the time I had thought about it the membrane was going on. I hate that I missed that opportunity.

[@deanmorris6679]

It's good they are fixing the issues. How much did you pay for this set up?

[@MidlifeDetour]

Far too much for the issues we have and continue to have…A LOT. 🥴

[@brock7118]

You need an Airstream

[@MidlifeDetour]

At one point we talked about getting a Airstream! ! 🤔 They are pretty sleek!

[@mikeventi637]

@@MidlifeDetour lol...we started in a 5th wheel...due to some issues..we moved fulltime into a classic 30..then to a classic 33..now back into our Pinecrest..well that is funny

[@topout26]

Dang no QC at that manufacture facility.

[@MidlifeDetour]

They actually had several steps in the process…🤔

[@jeffkelley4055]

Unreal

[@MidlifeDetour]

Sometimes we have to laugh about it. Hoping for resolution to all of it so we can enjoy our travel. Thanks for watching! 😎👍

[@paulac5830]

Sounds like you bought a lemon. Sorry to hear that there are so many problems.

[@MidlifeDetour]

It feels that way sometimes but we are getting everything addressed and hopefully we can enjoy this crazy adventure more! 😎 Thanks for watchin!

[@spoolin55psi]

This terrifies me to get a newer model I got a 2007 keystone Raptor lived in parked for several years since then it’s prob had 150k miles put on it full time living and ive only had 2 water leaks from the pex pipes 1 refrigerator power control board replaced 1 microwave and some trim repairs nothing major and when new it did have slide repairs done under warranty other and within the last year the garage door has gotten a small leak but other than that this thing is a tank. Maybe just updating mine is a better option

[@MidlifeDetour]

I am envious in reading the miles vs issues. We did love our rig but it sure has been problematic. I think if I were in your position I would keep racking the miles and enjoying the Raptor.

[@no_worries_van]

This is why I got a bus instead lol

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, maybe thats not such a bad idea!! 😜

[@jesserevilla992]

Man you folks have patience; i would had flipped that 5th wheel. Forget warranty work. Beacon look great; but awful manufacturing.

[@MidlifeDetour]

I am not sure why we have patience. We are trying to stay positive and hope that once things are all resolved we can enjoy our journey more! It definitely is a beautiful rig...

[@jesserevilla992]

@@MidlifeDetour Blessings man, great example to many. How to stay positive; me on the other-hand OUCH we subscribed although we're not 5th wheel folks, yet we have a 2022 Grand Design XLS 22mle which is our 2nd TT we traded up to.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, thank you so much! We had a Momentum 395 and we only had a couple of items that needed fixed and that was such a good rig! We do miss it! BUT don't miss the size! We are remaining positive but we have our days where we are pretty worn out! Still keeping the faith that we will get everything resolved and will be traveling more! 👍😎

[@alkraus8818]

Just put a Deposit on a 377FL Vilano. Would you buy the Vanleigh again???

[@MidlifeDetour]

That is a hard question to answer, especially with what we are going through. We have met a lot of happy VanLeigh owners and we truly believe ours is an outlier. VanLeigh is working to address our big issues and we hope for NO NEW ones anytime soon. 🙃

[@robertnasser9937]

Lemon law ?

[@crazyprepper5400]

Its crazy all the money people spend for something that is falling apart.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Definitely 👍🏼

[@JauntJunkies]

Crazy how even on these high end units the quality control is this low.

[@MidlifeDetour]

We really think ours is an outlier and know people who are happy with their units. I think quality control across the board with manufacturers is suffering 🤔

[@JauntJunkies]

@@MidlifeDetour 100%

[@joespanojr]

Anything made within the last 2 years are junk and the government should step in for those of us that have been dealing with garbage craftsmanship

[@MidlifeDetour]

We have heard this many times and have to agree that there has been a lot of poor craftsmanship throughout the entire RV over the last couple of years! 🥴

[@keithrowell8895]

Il give you this if it was me I would be Hot over this.this is not good. Them 5th wheels are not cheap. Sorry for your trouble

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you! We have definitely had our moments! We are hoping once all the issues are taken care of that we will be able to enjoy travel more! 😎👍

[@joemiles6917]

Did you guys buy your TV new?

[@MidlifeDetour]

I assume you mean tow vehicle. We bought our 450 a year old and got a screamin deal on it...compared to what it would go for now days! 👍

[@joemiles6917]

@@MidlifeDetour I'm sorry typo, I meant your rv. You answered the question in your video. Sounds like you went through a lot, not what I would expect with that price of and class rv.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Haha! I was wondering what it meant for sure so just guessed! We WATCHED IT GET BUILT! ALL of it! 😮 We have a video on our build if you care to watch that. Just blows us away that we were there and had no clue of the issues that happened right in front of us! 🤔 we hope to be on travel more and fix less! 👍

[@davidnoyes3373]

Bet you regret not going to grand design

[@stephen5147]

Legal action is called for. Criminal behavior on the part of Tiffin.

[@kingair350]

No wonder they stopped producing

[@Iamk2jones]

Your rig is the reason vanleigh is going out of business. They can’t afford the warranty work. Haha 😊

[@MidlifeDetour]

The warranty work has been very expensive!

[@monicalifornia_]

Was never full time but defiantly had some troubles with our rig. I hear they are ALL pretty much garbage regardless of price. Rigs on California lots have sticker that say “Not for full time use. Recreational use only”. Even the dealers know they won’t last long.

[@MidlifeDetour]

I think most do have SOME issues and we know ours has more than average. We hope to get it all taken care of and enjoy our travels! 😎👍

[@dawg7915]

I understand why Vanleigh is shutting down now... Dont think this is a lemon... they're all built like this.

[@MidlifeDetour]

It has been a bit of a rough road for sure.

[@steve345]

Your Rv should had been hauled to the factory and every person who worked on the affected areas should had been made to go thru it and then wrote up for poor workmanship then the RV left at the plant for a reminder to know what not to do and a replacement that had actually been quality controlled checked been given to you.

[@silaslongshot941]

OMG, what a piece of total junk! Wow! Even with a 3rd party inspection, all this falling apart is insane! No going back after selling your house & full time. My temperament would have a lawyer up the corporate backside for this kind of shoddy construction.

[@jc7052]

Why didn't you take i t back to the dealer,get a refund and start over somewhere else ????????????

[@josephalberta1145]

I can see why this company is shutting down.

[@jimmyerbe768]

Do you ever scream into a pillow?

[@philhealey4443]

Fairly shocking construction approach; not a lot of foam core fibreglass composite wall and roof technology going on.....

[@marksmit9688]

You are having to many problems, trade it in, I think it got a bad built. Grand design Rv are great.

[@MidlifeDetour]

We did have really good luck with our Grand Design and miss it.

[@NavigatingChaos]

The unfortunate results of poor workmanship due to all the highly experienced craftsmen leaving the manufacturer. They were replaced with low skilled ones who cut corners, and just aren't as knowledgeable about how to do things. My hubby and I are currently looking for a travel trailer to start RVing more (we were past tent campers). I am refusing to even look at anything from 2020 and newer.

[@MidlifeDetour]

We can't say we disagree! Looking at older is probably not a bad idea! Good luck on your search for a new one! 😎👍

[@bigeleonard]

wow vanleigh should be embarrassed for building a pile of crap like that.

[@MidlifeDetour]

We are trying to get things resolved and also enjoy our travels but sometimes its challenging!! 😐

[@dgc7321]

Unfortunately people are paying good money for garbage!

[@leeworsdell1410]

Thats insane amount of issues for a new trailer. One the cost and arm and a leg to i would be some pissed sorry. But things built during covid no one cares.

[@MidlifeDetour]

A lot of issues. We are thankful the manufacturer is working with us to resolve things. 👍

[@paulgrimm]

RVs are not built to live in. They are fragile built for lighter weight .Buy a 7 year warranty !

[@MidlifeDetour]

Our rig isn’t falling apart because it’s lived in, it’s falling apart because of manufacturing issues. The good thing is that it’s still covered under warranty! 😏👍🏼

[@quagmyer7230]

The amount of money charged for an RV, and the construction quality do NOT go hand to hand, not everyone can afford a new RV, it’s considered a luxury and for many a necessity, it’s disrespectful to the American people to do such a shitty job, and this goes to ALL manufacturers.

[@georgemulligan8958]

Vanleigh was a great company. Thor is junk

[@petevezmar9821]

Garbage rolling treehouse . PLEASE DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU BUY !!

[@MidlifeDetour]

We did more homework than most. We also watched it get built and had a 2 third party inspections.. There are many VanLeigh owners that have zero or minimal issues and love their rig. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@nellev8189]

OMG! Six months with ours we've had ours in our possession a little over 3 weeks.... I'm having PTSD 🤣🤣🤣funny not funny.

[@MidlifeDetour]

I am so sorry. It got worse for us and we decided to pause our content or we would just be putting out videos about things being broken. I hope yours is getting taking care of!

[@nellev8189]

@@MidlifeDetour I'm so sorry, no it's not going well at all. We are broken-hearted, and frustrated. I'm more embarrassed, we are custom home builders and should have paid better attention. We will see I have a meeting tomorrow in Albuquerque with a Vanleigh rep. I'm so sorry for what you guys have been through it was dejavu for me. Best of luck!

[@dking5454]

any chance you two have unknowingly offended the gods... taken Lord's name in vain... taken sides against the Corleone Family... (asking for a friend) 😳

[@MidlifeDetour]

😂 I sure hope not!

[@Sunny-kn6th]

Come on, a bit dramatic….if you had a 3rd party inspector, many of the things that were not correct would have been discovered. If you had a certified inspector, you shouldn’t have paid them a penny. These people are through and keep records, go through everything and are professional. Did you not discuss the roof bump with the inspector? And you are very familiar with RV’s. I appreciate that you may have had An unusual amount of problems, but AnyThing built after 2020 is having problems. And Vanleigh is one of the few manufacturers that will speak with you, help walk you through problems and if not, will make sure your repair shotp gets parts quickly. You soften up at the end and told the good parts about Vanleigh but the beginning was dramatic and in my opinion, really put a bad light on Vanleigh.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you for your commentS. I had just replied to your very kind comment a few minutes prior to this second comment. . We definitely are not being dramatic. We only showed a fraction of our issues (There are several bigger issues since then). We will continue to share our story and we DO hope that it's more about the adventure and less about repairs. 👍

[@bill-jl8od]

pure junk

[@roadhog6603]

I had a new 2019 Grand Design Reflection for three years. The fit and finish was substandard, customer service was negligible, and it was poorly designed. The best thing I did was to get rid of it. Now I have a Newmar London Aire and couldn’t be happier. Owning a Grand Design was a miserable experience.

[@MidlifeDetour]

We likely glamorize our Grand Design a bit because we had minimal issues or at least the standard RV kinda issues and could reach a support person when we needed one. We have a friend that owned the same model we currently do (the Beacon) and went to a Newmar and couldn't be happier and has been trying to convert us. Newmar seems to be a whole other level. Can't lie I have peeked a few times.