Frame Issues - Loss of Camber | EP50 RV Life

[@ifly64s]

Open Roads rocks! You guys have unparalleled patience.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Yes! We wouldn’t want to put fuel in without it! Thank you!! 🙂

[@ibrewalot]

You two are what I've been looking for in fulltimers to follow...not pretentious, easy to listen to, just regular people who like RV-ing. And...you do a great job with the videos! We've had 2 travel trailers for the last 18 years and are moving to truck and 5th wheel next year. I learn sooo much from folks like you!

[@LandCruiserMidwest]

Welcome back to the Midwest Again - enjoy the pre-summer cruise !!!

[@MidlifeDetour]

We definitely will enjoy! 🙂

[@waynecornwell2321]

Thanks for bringing us along!

[@MidlifeDetour]

🙂

[@chrisstanley2743]

I continue to watch your journey. I have a new 39FBB and am about to put Solar by Dry campers on it and then a month later IS from Morryde. All after watching you guys do what you do. I hope by doing this early we can prevent some of these frame issues (I hope Vanliegh corrected them) and enjoy out rig and not have to go thought your saga. Stay strong and keep doing the deed.

[@joes2771]

You are at the right place for a frame issue. If Lippert can’t make it right, then it’s time to bite the bullet and figure some way to unload it and get something better. After all, they build all the frames.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Counting on Lippert making it right and look forward to getting it done and over with..👍🏼

[@jamescorcoran4684]

I feel so bad for both of you. Nothing like getting kicked to the curb. They should give you all your money back, then some. Continued success, God Bless

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thanks so much for your comment! We are looking forward to being on the other side of this!! 👍🏼

[@michellesewell6364]

OMG, so funny... just before you showed the Brinkley sign, I said to my husband - get your money and run to Brinkley! You two are amazing. You are weathering this big challenge with such style and grace. Thank you for sharing your story. We are learning so much - not just about RV challenges but about how to make it through some huge challenges in a great way.

[@fuzion430journey3]

The problem is every RV is on a Lippert frame!!! so Brinkley did a great job, except they built a great house on the shit foundation

[@davidwaddell4550]

I am quick to point to Lippert frames as a source of many problems but just how many of these frame issues are the result of modifications made to the frame by incompetent RV manufacturers.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you so much! I think we are kinda afraid to run to anything after all this but if we did, it would probably be a Brinkley! 🙂 thank you so much for your very kind words. This community has really been with us, sticks with us and most of all, encourages us. You really don’t know how much that has means! We will get to the other side of this and we are really looking forward to that journey! I’m glad we can all learn from our experiences and if they don’t change us then we didn’t come through it right. 😊👍🏼

[@fuzion430journey3]

@@davidwaddell4550 like what mods do they do to the frame ? Example?

[@user-pg2zk6zb6w]

Hi folks been watching the fun you've had since the start. My Goodness but glad the industry is seeing this.. We have a 2020 Forest River Impression that has the same camber issue. Prime Time Industries the manufacturer wants us to return the unit from Northern British Columbia on our dime and was quoted $21,000 USD plus to have the sides replaced due to delaminating and breaking around the major slides and have the camber reset. Although we are still talking we are looking for help closer to us.

[@MidlifeDetour]

First of all, thanks for sticking it out with us! Wow that is a ton of money for transport! I sure hope you guys can find somewhere closer and avoid those costs! That is outrageous! Good luck to you, keep us updated on what happens! 👍🏼

[@peterkettelkamp7162]

You guys are so patient. I hope this issue gets resolved properly and that will be an end to your major problems. I hesitate to replace our reliable 2017 travel trailer with a small 5er because of the low quality across the RV industry. It's seems to be such a gamble as to what you will get. The industry needs higher standards, better warranties and a lemon law. Thanks for the cargo net suggestion!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you! We are looking forward to getting it resolved and then be at the end of repair for a LONG time! 👍🏼 I would also be hesitant especially if you’ve had a reliable TT. I completely agree with you and we LOVE the net! 🙂👍🏼

[@nowonehere]

I feel for you! This is not normal! You should look at the Riverstone line by Forest River. You will NEVER have a frame issue!

[@MidlifeDetour]

We have looked at Riverstones in the past and have friends that have had great success with their unit. We might have to take another look.

[@joemiles6917]

You guys have been through so much. You have to be the most patient, nicest people in an rv. I don't know how Lemon law works for rvs, but with vehicles that I think would be a great candidate for it.

[@MidlifeDetour]

We have been through a lot 😏 can’t wait to be on the other side of this and doing what we set out to do. Thank you for your kind words! We really love this community that encourage us so thank you for that! 🙂👍🏼

[@shelleywalker6225]

{{HUGS}}💛💛

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you! 🙂

[@zmom62]

Oh no, big hugs Sara (and you to Ryan 😉)! It’s crazy what you guys keep enduring but keep that positive attitude each morning and you’ll get through this…or you’ll just crack and go buy that Brinkley!! 😆

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you so much! ♥️ Definitely will get through this and can’t wait to be on the other side! It’s coming! 😊👍🏼

[@michaeljuers574]

GOOD GRIEF!!!…I started watching you guys 7 months ago when be bought our new 21’ Viking trailer. I couldn’t believe what you were going through then and it’s still going on😜. I gave up after our first and last trip from Wisconsin to our house in Florida. The day we were to leave the refrigerator quit working and we found out a dozen mice had moved in through a hole in the bottom of the thing they didn’t seal up when it was built. When we got to Florida we found out the refrigerator was unable to be repaired. They sent a new one but all the repair shops were two months out so we had to replace it ourselves. Unfortunately we couldn’t get the old one out the door. When I checked with the service department they said “ya that is a problem, you have to take the whole door assembly apart”. After a day of screwing around we put the new frig in and sold the damn thing. You have way more capacity for this pathetic industry than I do!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Oh my goodness you had a lot! 😳 I don’t blame you for wanting to get rid of it. We definitely have our days!!! 😳

[@doodlebug4022]

They should definitely call this a LEMON! Tiffin it’s time to step up and do what’s right! Give them their money back now.

[@rvfuntimes6144]

That aint happening account its Thor now who owns them.

[@chemcody5119]

You are handling this so much better that I could. Hang in there guys!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you for the encouraging words 🙂.

[@jimmyduramax8296]

I hurt so bad for you guys having a special needs camper, especially a Beacon. We have not had the Beacon problems you’ve had with yours, but we don’t have the miles you have either. Your channel is so unique due to your camper problems, and it being a luxury camper like it is with the past unquestionable quality that VanLeigh use to have. I hope you take this the right way, but your pain has been to our enrichment. How’s that!???? You might say? Let me number a few: 1) My wife and I would have never gotten to know the four of you. 2) I love the way you and your husband respond to the ongoing tragedies of your Beacon; your responses are stellar. [It makes me curious about your faith]. 3) Your problems and those you’ve collaborated with come to the forefront for others innocently entering into similar problems, even outside of Tiffin products. That service for others is invaluable. 4) Both of you explain and illustrate the problems and solutions perfectly. Love the graphics. I do hope this journey of yours turns into a money maker for you rather than a money taker. Much more, but it’s time to go.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Your comment came in at a very opportune time this afternoon. I appreciate your kind words as you gave us strength today.

[@robertnasser9937]

My KZ lost amber that resulted in heavy cracks on both upper slides. It was picked up by KZ and they did a great job, frame re cambered and cracks repaired.

[@MidlifeDetour]

That is excellent!! 👍🏼

[@monicalifornia_]

You’re handling your trial so great.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, it has definitely been hard some days! 😬

[@N2it4Now]

😒😒 Rock on MD!

[@davidwaddell4550]

I cannot imagine having your patience. I have owned four motor homes and three fifth wheels and have had problems with all of them. Workmanship was always lacking but most issues were from third party suppliers and unfortunately most of those products are now from one major OEM. My last fifth wheel had serious brake problems, bent axels, broken spring shackles,leaking leveler cylinders and leaking slide-out hydraulic cylinders. I would like to start RVing again but now feel that most if not all manufacturers are forced to use the same low quality components. I wish you the very best in getting your home repaired so that you can enjoy your journey.

[@MidlifeDetour]

You’ve gone through a lot! Unfortunately, I do agree with you about the low quality. Thank you so much! We hope to get out and do what we’ve been waiting to do! 🙂

[@rtoadontheroad]

Wow good grief! We have just about given up,the idea of getting a newer rig and full time! Dennis

[@MidlifeDetour]

Don't give up - when we stop through Idaho just stay away from our rig which will be easy to detect with the dark cloud following it through the treasure valley. All seriousness the lifestyle is amazing outside of our problematic unit. Thanks for continuing to hang out with us!

[@HSTWXMAN]

Brinkley, Brinkley, Cant wait to see you in the Brinkley:)

[@MidlifeDetour]

We are parked next to the proto #1 Brinkley unit tonight - first one ever built. I might just hook up to it when we pull out!

[@HSTWXMAN]

@@MidlifeDetour They have learned alot since building that model, I'd take a more recent one:)

[@MichaelMclerran-ko3oz]

Was in the Walmart parking lot eating breakfast when you were filming. Subscribe at that time from the logo on the front of your Rv. Love the content hate you guys are having so much trouble.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Ha! This is awesome. I always attempt to be a bit covert when I film in parking lots I guessed I failed this time! Thanks for jumping on with us!

[@ellenbright546]

Happy Mother's Day, Sarah!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you, Auntie El! Same right back to you! ♥️

[@williamcarley7435]

I feel so bad for you guys it seems like no one knows how to do their jobs. I wish I had your patience I would not be so calm. Good luck

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, thank you. We have our days but really pushing to get on the road so we can do what we set out to do! 😎

[@egregg57]

Ohhh.....My.....Gosh......

[@MidlifeDetour]

Yah us too

[@hannahrose5924]

Oh goodness- you guys have been through so much! I hope you can start more adventures very soon!!!

[@MidlifeDetour]

We can’t wait to be on the other side of this! It’s coming! 🙂

[@suzannewiggins7729]

Happy Mother’s Day Sarah! Glad you made it out of Red Bay. Hope you’re able to start adventuring soon.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you so much! Sorry it took awhile to respond! We are looking forward to adventure coming! Soon! 🙂

[@MSparks9509]

It’s time to ditch that trailer and move on to something you can *actually* enjoy! Life’s short. You’ve made about as much lemonade as you can make out of that lemon…time for something different

[@MidlifeDetour]

Unfortunately it’s not as easy at it seems but we are working to get resolution -one way or another. Thank you for your advice 👍🏼

[@jeffreynoya9134]

From a smiley face to a straight face to now the frame has a frown. I hope you guys get resolved. I feel very sad and upset for you guys spend more time in a shop then out on the open road, it’s not right.

[@grayfox9911]

Well, I'm sorry you still aren't able to travel.😑 I'm at a loss for words now without being ugly...🤨

[@MidlifeDetour]

I am also at a loss for words at this point. 😕

[@benedavis6900]

I hope you’re able to get the camber issue resolved and get back to enjoying Rv life!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you! We do too! Looking forward to it! 👍🏼

[@josephscheneck1540]

You two are both models of patience. I would be so calm -- Tiffin is NOT doing right by you and they are a disgusting company with no honor. They should buy back that lemon now. So sorry this is happening to you.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thanks for your comment! We hope to be at the end of our struggles and will be happy to move on!

[@cindyrandyfinamore3887]

Thor needs to step up and buy this unit back from you. You two deserve better.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you for the kind words. When we started our service trek we really thought we could round the corner for repair. Our unit is really a problematic unit. We pray we are close. Thank you for hanging out with us.

[@karenf1604]

Ryan, another artfully done video! I love the music. Sarah, your outlook on ‘a brand new day’ (fits the music) really resonates with me. I don’t know how you stay so positive, but I’m cheering you on! Oh my stars, guys, more repairs? Maybe it is fate that lead you to IN, and the Brinkley factory! Hmmm. I am so eager to see what’s next.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Always love to hear from you! Thanks for sticking with us and for your encouragement! It means a lot! Little scary thinking about going to something new after our experience! But we will see! 😎

[@leeworsdell1410]

Time for a Riverstone trailer.

[@MidlifeDetour]

We have had multiple recommendations for Riverstone and have some friends that are really happy with their unit. We are in Elkhart and may have to do a tour.

[@brittabrand6645]

We’re so terrible sorry. Have you checked out the “LEMON LAWS” where you bought this 🍋?

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you and yes we sure have.

[@sandylafleur6330]

I just am 🎉🎉 with the positive attitude I Realy think the company should be providing you with a new 5 th wheel of ur choice with all the add ins you have done … my goodness. Love ur fur babies

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thanks for the 🎉 😉 We are looking forward to being on the other side of this! It’s coming! Our pups are the best!! (We are pretty partial though! Haha)

[@curtisjansson7297]

It was fun chatting with you! "We got this!" Remember, fuel not gas...😂

[@MidlifeDetour]

We absolutely loved meeting and talking with you both! Look forward to seeing you again! We definitely “got this” 👍🏼

[@johnhaithcock1919]

Hang in there!!! It will be okay. You are out there getting it done and providing great info for others who may have the same problem. I am heading to the TSC end of June and I hope I don’t see you there. Lol.

[@MidlifeDetour]

We are definitely hangin in! 😎We do NOT want to see you at the SC but maybe in a better setting! 🙂👍🏼

[@cindyrandyfinamore3887]

Your continued saga makes me wonder how many other Tiffin owners are experiencing similar issues and not know it.

[@MidlifeDetour]

It seems I run into more and more. Its unfortunate.

[@TakeATripTogether]

Very cool that you're in our neck of the woods again but so sorry it's for the reason that it is. I honestly have no idea how you guys have maintained your sanity and been able to stay out on the road with all of these issues that you have had with your RV. With these frame issues will they finally swap out a new rig for you??? They really should. They're getting pretty horrible PR from all of the stuff you guys have dealt with.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Sorry I didn’t catch this comment! We are still in your neck of the woods, I guess! 🤪 Hopefully on the road in a couple of days! Definitely won’t swap a rig for us but that sure would’ve been nice when they were still in business! 👍🏼

[@TakeATripTogether]

@@MidlifeDetour Yeah, I would think they should consider upgrading you to a different rig in one of their other lines. I can't imagine your frustration. Hopefully you're able to get back out on the road soon.

[@eddiehunter9616]

My wife and I met you in Red Bay last week. We’re the ones who wanted to kidnap your Samoyeds. Anyway, wish you guys good luck with your 5th wheel. I know it’s frustrating and you guys seem to be handling it well. Don’t know if I could. Safe travels and hope to run into y’all down the road.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Yes! Haha. It was so nice to meet you both! Maybe next time we cross paths you will have a little white fluff ball of your own?! 😎

[@jimm2442]

Thanks for the tip on the cargo net. Do you suppose that it might be time to cut your loss with that Vanleigh?

[@MidlifeDetour]

Jim that cargo net on the bikes is fantastic - loving it. We ask that second question to ourselves daily and have recently realized we havent addressed this to our viewers. We plan on providing additional explanation shortly.

[@jessepitre7095]

Hey guys with all of your video documentation on your endless quality issues you should really consider contacting Ron Burdge with the Burdge Law firm. He comes highly recommended by the RV wingman Alan Warren. He is an RV lemon lawyer. They would review your case for free and advise whether or not you have a solid case which you guys definitely have. I would file suit for complete CASH refund then either get a Grand Design or a Brinkley!

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thanks so much for your advice! We so appreciate it! Selling our Grand Design was a huge mistake and we knew it the moment it drove away from us. Best rig! We love the Brinkley! 👍🏼

[@rickgriffith1]

What a great demonstration of your slide being out of alignment. Awesome editing and production! That’s what I’m going to focus on from here on out with your channel is your excellent editing skills since I’ve given up on that trailer and Tiffin many miles ago. A company that I once held in high regard has changed my opinion of their products, including their Class-A models as products non-grata because of what you’ve gone through and the fact that they won’t do what’s right by you and give your money back. There’s no way I would trust investing my dollars with them now. Good luck with what you’re having to unfortunately deal with.👍🏼😎

[@MidlifeDetour]

Rick I appreciate you. Thank you for continuing to hang out with us with your positive perspective!

[@josephvolk3585]

They should be talking to you about buying the rig back. May be time for a lawyer

[@dawg7915]

unbelievable that Tiffin hasn't stepped up and replaced your rig. total swap. Youve put up with more than i could ever do,

[@MidlifeDetour]

Well, we are looking forward to being on the other side of this…it’s coming! 👍🏼

[@henryford2736]

Unless they have some special "magic" in my opinion bend frame can't be fixed. The insurance should write it off.....

[@MidlifeDetour]

I have met several folks with this same issue that had work done with results that vary. It seems Lippert is able to correct the issue by heating the frame and adding supports. We will be updating you about our process shortly. Thanks for hanging with us.

[@bigrandall1969]

I’m surprised you guys still have that rig.

[@ouRVisionnomadicliving]

Happy Mothers Day Sara! Did you get the opportunity to attend the Lippert Owners Classes while you were there in Goshen? Inquiring subscribers want to know...LOL. Boy you "four" are racking up the miles..back and forth, back and forth. Enjoy some amish home cookin. I hope they give you some good news. Safe travels! Sean & Angie

[@MidlifeDetour]

Thank you so much! 🙂We didn’t get the opportunity. It was a super quick assessment and we were out of there! Definitely racking up a lot of miles…looking forward to some fun racking of miles coming soon. We have heard the food is great and someone just told us about a bakery we are going to try. Thanks so much for coming along with us! Always! 🙂

[@bkschieler]

Time to trade that thing in something better.

[@abry-1719]

So curious….. why do you keep this RV and not get another one?

[@MidlifeDetour]

Good question. We have recently realized that although we discuss this continually personally we havent addressed it in a video. We are putting this into an upcoming video.

[@ricktaylor6373]

I’ve watched you two and was critical about your unit. Trade it, lemon law. I bought a big class C brand new two years ago and paid cash money for it. Had I had to go a fraction of the shinnanigans you’ve had to deal with I literally would have smashed it with my pay loader and had it hauled to the junk yard. You’ve more patience than I could ever had. And I would have sent the picture to Gulfstream to show the end result of their “quality “ rv. Just get frustrated seeing what you deal with, so sorry.

[@MidlifeDetour]

We are definitely weighing all options! Can’t say we haven’t thought about smashing, dropping off something really high etc 😬

[@speedster9622]

You have too much weight on the back of your trailer.

[@s.b.4230]

Get rid of that 5th wheel! It's a lemon!!! Tiffin should have bought that from you way before this promlem.

[@williamfriddell4933]

Do you think it may be time to get a lawyer?

[@JoeT.1960]

Poor people. That 's not camping. 😒

[@MidlifeDetour]

Definitely not camping for sure 😏

[@christopherross3894]

Worst rv ever, no wonder they went out of business!!!😢😢😢

[@keithrowell8895]

These have got yo be the worst RV.OUT there.i see a lot of 5th wheel travel trailers with problems. Im sorry for all that your going through. I would be pulling my hair.out.

[@MidlifeDetour]

Can’t say we don’t agree with your first sentence! Thank you though and I have noticed a lot of hair loss the last 6 months 🤔

[@roadhog6603]

Are you still in Goshen?

[@MidlifeDetour]

We are in the area - currently in Elkhart!