New Stove for Christmas - Keeping it Simple in 2025

[@PaulMessner]

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[@jeffreyalmond7376]

Looks like a good setup stove pot and holder. Spent too long watching men boiling water, rather than getting out there and doing it myself. I resolve to watch my own water boiling.

[@MikeDay-kj4ei]

You could film it as well😉

[@browsman2328]

I’ve had this pot stove combo for six months and I’m very happy with it, stove lights first click ever time. I think the aluminum Alzheimer concern is with bare aluminum not anodized because the anodization process forms a hard crust on the surface which is food safe. Happy New Years and cheers!

[@chrishamilton2527]

You’re correct. The issues come with anodising getting scratched or wearing away.

[@kevinroche3334]

Aluminium pots are pretty much totally safe now. They are produced using a different manufacturing method now than in the 40s-60s, when the health issues arose (which was mainly from dissolved aluminium in water in Japan). The anodising simply prolongs pot life and provides a certain degree on non-stick. Stop worrying - the EU would certainly have banned their use if they were considered unsafe!

[@wandering_not_lost]

Paul, for me, your West Highland Way videos were the best that you produced in 2025. I really like the videos where you do multi day walks.

[@peterhuggins9267]

I’ve been using my Trangia for a bit, but am moving back to a canister stove with my Olicamp XTS pot (with the heat exchanger system on the base.) The boil time difference is pretty significant (2:45 vs 10:15.) I appreciate your videos - they’re pretty straightforward, and I always get the sense that they’re for everyday folks going out camping.

[@Mohdock]

I've paired it with a soto windmaster, worked brilliantly and I can get everything in the pot: Gas, microfibres cloth, lighter, folding spoon, soto windmaster and triangular pot support, scotchbrite thingy and a jet boil canister stabiliser. When set up it is very stable.

[@philipwhiteoak2386]

Have the same setup and on my tests it performed slightly better than my jet boil flash, quicker and a bit less gas

[@terencecallaghan8719]

blow torch guy here, the hottest part of the flame is just above the crown of the gas. (blue spikey bits coming out of the gas nozzle) Oxy / Acetylene torches are the same although a lot hotter. Looks like a really good pot to me! I'll definately be having a look for one. Cheers!

[@SpyderLEE]

The hottest point of a gas flame is the tip of the lightest coloured triangle 👍 this stove they are low so it will be better closer. I learnt that in my apprenticeship when we were acetylene cutting 😂

[@colinme2672]

I've been using one for a while now. I think the oerfect stove for it is the Soto windmaster with the optional 3 armed attachment. I still carry the 4 arm one for bigger pots when car camping.

[@nickporter3531]

Looks a bit like my Primus one that I brought about 12 years or so ago. Still use it and it’s never failed me. The heat exchanger on the bottom of a pot does make for a quick boil (but that’s compared to what I was using before).

[@DwightFitzmorris]

At 71 I am advancing from overnight kayak camping trips on rivers and lakes to 3-4 day trips on the ocean. Many of your kit reviews have helped me save on expensive trial and errors. Happy New Year. Dwight.

[@billtbodger]

Here's to a great 2025 for you and Jo, also for all of your followers, I am hoping to finally be able to start getting out again despite a few health issues, big love

[@1fitchy]

Love your honesty pal. I’m sticking to basic alcohol stoves and keeping everything as cheap as I can. Up to now, I’m doing alright with Temu, eBay and Amazon stuff. I have to admit that I’m ex forces, but I’m always looking for ways to keep the weight, and price down. Keep doing what you do mucka. Your shared experiences are much appreciated.

[@freddiecampbell]

I prefer the modified Trangia, for being unbreakable, compact and light. When walking I get away from targets, and measures, and a minute or two time saving is the last thing on my mind.

[@NottinghamshireMadness]

One take is the future! My challenge when camping was put the coffee pot on the gas then have the tent set up and be sat in my chair ready to drink the fresh coffee just before it's ready.

[@charlesperry1051]

If I only need to boil water for coffee and dehydrated meals, I prefer my jet boil. It does one thing and does it very well!

[@valentinlafosse3697]

I have the Fire Maple G3 configuration with the Soto Winmaster and the triflex support. It works very well and since Christmas I have the latest Fire Maple G2 pot which is the equivalent of the Stash jetboil but less expensive. Pot G2 configuration and the Soto Winmaster plus triflex or the Forclaz MT 900 stove from decathlon. Happy New Year to you all!

[@leobloom4526]

I'm a new subscriber I don't even do your hobby or plan to but I enjoy listening to you .

[@Ecknives]

I have this and love it , fast boil or slow I brought it for the safety aspect of it , rather than my titanium cup having the risk of sliding of .

[@schnedrefti7845]

Welcome all in ´25 ! ;) Bought it also but changed to heavy Lid against DIY-one ( sheet metal ) as well as i remove the also heavy handle ( use small towell/handkerchief or gloves ) ;) The MINI BRS also nearly fit if you safely angle the feets a bit ;)

[@snoopy10411]

My preferred current setup is a Kelly Kettle Trekker with a pot stand and hobo stove attachment partly because at heart I'm probably a bit of a prepper and like the idea of being able to boil water even when gas canisters are unavailable, also because I find the process of lighting a fire using bits of stuff round lying around really satisfying. I usually also carry an MSR Pocket Rocket 2 and a small gas canister and a Sea to Summit X32 combo as a backup for areas where lighting a fire would be frowned upon or just inconvenient.

[@PhilWaud]

I use one of those on an alcohol burner. They definitely boil water quicker than a pot without the heat fins, but it's diabolical in any kind of wind. Stick a windshield around it makes a massive difference, reckon you'd have a boil in less than three minutes.

[@pcc2001]

I treated myself to that setup (minus the fancy stand) a few months ago and it's brilliant. Tested it against my Brukit and it boils 300 ml quicker and using slightly less gas.....and weighs less. What’s not to like 👍 The bacon comment made me giggle btw 😆 Happy New Year to you and Jo.

[@pootlingalong8928]

Happy New Year Paul and Jo 👍🏻 Great to see the first vid of the year from you and looking forward to more of the same in 2025. I think your plan to not have a plan, only a flexible idea of what you want to do is excellent. Plans make for burdens. Just do what you want to do as it comes along and you’ll have plenty to look back on come next Christmas. I like the one shot style with minimal editing - the pram made me laugh out loud 😁. Keeping it real! Like seeing you do stoves and camping equipment, you’re very good at it! Keep it loose Paul, and don’t let any negative comments get to you this year - you only get them because folk get jealous 👍🏻🤗

[@jj2536]

just got myself a Planet X 900 Stove. 20 quid and pretty sure it does everything the Fire Maple or a Jet Boil does even if a little slower. i'll just have to look at the scenery for a bit longer!

[@kurtwagenman4327]

I just used the G2 version of this stove with my soto Windmaster. Here in northern Utah, it's kinda cold, 22 degrees or I think -22C and a approximately 5 to 8 mph breeze. Melted snow to get 650 ml of boiling water for some coffee and oatmeal. Kept the isobutane canister warm with those little chemical handwarmer packets and this combo is the best Kit I've used in my 31 years as a Search and Rescue Ranger. Truly all kinds of weather and attitudes. The only difference between the G3 and G2 is the new G2 is a little larger. On behalf of all of Us Rangers here in the States, Happiest of new years to you both. And keep hiking safe...

[@kurtwagenman4327]

Oh I almost forgot, 4 min 18 seconds in that environment, Wind 5 to 8 mph, altitude 8644 feet, great performance from snow to boiling.

[@kurtwagenman4327]

Sorry one last thing. Soto sells a three prong pot stand for your stove, and I always place the supports in the groves. Drastically improves performance. No external wind guard used, just the stove and pot .

[@lntkernow]

ive been using that pot with the SOTO windmaster and triflex pot stand for a few months now, i bloody love it! its as fast as my jetboil minimo but less bulky!!

[@scotbotvideos]

I've got that Firemaple titanium cannister stand, and I'll tell you this -- it's way better than the MSR equivalent which struggles to keep the cannister snug whereas the Firemaple does.

[@taber247]

DEPOPULATED. Thanks again for sharing. Got mine June 2024, after a couple of uses I modified a slightly larger Heat exchange pot to include the 3 slots. Got my BRS 3000 and bent the pot stand arms to set radial for use with these pots. I sent off for the FireMaple jacket for the G3 Petrel pot too. Super little kit. Glad you are pleased with yours. Happy New Year to you and yours

[@wyregrasser7540]

Oh well... It looks like I'll have to wait an extra 50 seconds to eat my delicious freeze-dried meal. In that sense, "fast" being better...might be debatable. Happy new year 🎉 Cheers mate!

[@anninwhack1998]

More stuff with basic kit. Great advice! Cheers for 2025🎉🎉

[@SmithandWesson22A]

I always thought the taller flame was better. Thanks for the test.

[@108adams]

I haven't watched you vids recently, but today you appeared on the feed and it's like visiting an old friend - all the best for 2025!!

[@Speck-p1x]

I love my Petrel pot. I use it with a campingmoon XD-F2 stove and a soto 3 arm pot stand. Out performs jet boil style stoves and can run on propane, butane or isobutane. It my favourite setup

[@BradleyHoward]

Last year I sold my JetBoil and replaced it with the same pot as your video plus a soto windmaster. Everything fits inside the pot, it's smaller, and it was much cheaper.

[@pamelaklemp5615]

I'm thinking 🤔 it Wouldn't-be Christmas without a new stove appearing at the Messner household. "Mrs.Santa 🤶" comes through with a GOOD 👍WIN!🏆

[@judithbarker7621]

That fire maple is meant to be the antidote to expensive jetboils and it can at least simmer.

[@craigcadagan635]

Just watching this video in my tent and my wife has got me the same pot and stove for Christmas and it's ace You're right about the gap on a standard pot but with these I think they sit closer so it can channel the flame at 90 degrees to go through the heat exchanger

[@Tformosus]

I picked one up to use with a Soto windmaster with a three arm pot stand. I am not sure the boil time advantage of using slots or not with that stove, but the main reason I like it is that the pot is secured when it sits on the slots. For a company that made knock off jetboil type systems, Fire Maple have come up with a elegant and simple idea to improve things.

[@BrokenBackMountains]

I bought a petrel for my wife last summer. I was so impressed,I got one for myself. My aims for this year is to stay out of hospital unlike the last two years😅 and to get out on a multi day hike. That will be a huge achievement.

[@mattj630]

I have one of these, amazingly fast and surprisingly wind resistant with a pocket rocket!

[@HardyBunster]

The petrel pot works well with the Svea 123 as well. Perfect. 👍

[@NeilHorner]

I have the same set up except I have the regulated stove without the self igniter . You can get it boiling in around 1min 30 seconds sat in the grooves in warmer weather. The cold makes a huge difference to mine. Had a couple of good walks over Christmas with the stove for a hot chocolate pit stop. No camps though. My gear is definitely 3 season at best 😂

[@TheCcponyboy]

Good format. I like the gonzo set up. I'll keep watching the no bs reviews. Happy New Year.

[@tomhamer7838]

HNY Paul , Thomas in Oldham..Been using this for a while now , brilliant piece of kit . I just got the G2 pot which is 750ml and better for doing food in .Any 3 legged stove will fit as long as the legs fold straight out 120 degs. each and not fold round to 120 degs. Green Peak 2 ( not 1 cos it has rivets on the fold out legs and they don't fit in) fits , as does the Soto Wm with 3 leg fitting , MSR Pock. Rock 2 , and any stove of that 3 leg design fits . For the money its about one of tge best out there withoit spending 3 figures . Great little setup.

[@seankirk333]

I use my fire maple petrel with the oex kuju stove, its second to none on performance,... although on Extremely windy days a wind shield is advisable as all stoves,. The build quality on both pot and stove are not perfection but very robust and more than capable that should stand the test of time at a minor price bracket,.. in comparison to other major brands,

[@Pete40-b1u]

New stove. What’s not to like. 🤣. Looking forward to one take vids in the future. I feel it makes it more real and less scripted. Keep up the great content all the best to you both for the new year. Cheers Pete 👍👍

[@bobbafett3050]

"If you had the estimate the number of minutes spent watching middle aged blokes boil water" I feel attacked. But you're spot on, it is many minutes hahaha.

[@graemesaunderson4218]

Hi Paul .Happy new year .I think keeping the video`s simple will make the experience more real.

[@paulpartridge2674]

The actual stove reminds me of the Soto wind master. Looks to be a good piece of kit

[@CDPOutdoors]

I'm with you about the bacon 🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂

[@jaysonwilliams1278]

For what its worth I prefer this more natural organic video that you have here. They feel far more real and connected with life and not a crafted production. I almost reached out to grab that woman's coat tails when she passed between you and the camera. "Can't you see this man is recording lady!! At least an 'excuse me' would be nice!" Well done and Happy New Year

[@Dave-gi1eb]

love the videos Paul. when you did the first boil you took the water from the flask but the second boil was from the cold water bottle. For a true comparison you should have cooled the cup with the bottle and then refilled it with the flask

[@davidjackson8829]

Used with a Soto windmaster, it is amazingly quick

[@JS_1183]

WOW.. NICE GEAR,, HAPPY NEW YEAR PAUL.. MORE VIDEOS AND BLESSINGS TO COME, GOD BLSS YOU ALWAYS

[@Steve.j.like2hike]

Fire maple are very good products for the price 👍

[@miarosie]

I love the fire maple stainless steel kettle (also the orange handle one but the stainless steel one is brill)

[@NeilHorner]

Yep , great gear !

[@johncheetham4607]

I'm sticking with my alcohol stove. It works and there is no messing around.

[@neilcrompton4270]

I bought the petryl with the polaris stove last year, really impressed. Certainly not looking to replace it with anything else.

[@jonarific8504]

Didnt know it was possible to have more stoves than hot dinners until I started watching this channel.

[@iainday]

😹

[@jayhoney2422]

I've got twelve 😊

[@pootlingalong8928]

We’re a select bunch! 🤗

[@3GingerCats]

I think the big thing there, is not performance, but the wind can't blow the heat away. nut the more important part of a design where 3 legs fit into 3 slots. (apart from 4 legs always have one shorter than the rest, which creates instability) is the fact it locks itself in position and cannot possibly slide off, spilling boiling hot water all over you or anything else! hence why some "click lock". but those ones have a separate problem... (the separate attachment to be able to put a regular pan on it!)

[@MrHumlebaek]

Been looking at that pot for some time now. But as you say, do I really need another one...😊 2min or 10 min in boiltime doesn't matter much when I'm enjoying the outdoors. Been selling of the heavier ones since they only lay around. For 2025 i will do some more multiday trips, treated me with a Robens Couloir 350 for the 2025 season that will be tested in the Swedish forest and hopefully the mountains as well.

[@verykeen2please]

its like watching water boil haha. Happy New Year.

[@Northeast-SouthwestOutdoors]

I know you're a fan boy of jet boil, I've paired petrel with mighty mo for close to a year, 60 quid combo👍🏻 I'm still an alcoholic when it comes to cook sets tho don't know why? I just love and always go back to trangia 😂

[@stuartwooding8689]

Can’t wait for the grass-growing episode! 😂

[@TrevorH-l6f]

Hey Paul 👋 Nice test 👍 Strikes me that the grooves might provide more stability and reason to 'Get into the groove, boy you've got prove....'🎵🎶🎵 Looking forward to whatever camps ⛺️, tests or discussions you present in 2025. In the groove in North Borneo 😅

[@barryhobbs8695]

Interesting experiment. It’s funny, I’ve never quite understood the need for super fast boils when camping. You have hours and hours of time to use up and then we panic about water taking too long to boil!

[@20yearsagotoday1]

Exactly 👍🏼

[@limchoonteck1]

To me is more of saving on fuel and carrying less.

[@feldgraufox4927]

Fast boil times are nice when backpacking though if you're trying to do a lot of miles. Sometimes it's nice to be somewhere near your planned stop before it gets dark to find a good pitch. Or say for example, get down off a Moor or summit to somewhere more sheltered.

[@Chris66able]

@@feldgraufox4927 Exactly, people who go on about time not mattering are just salty Trangia users !

[@Vladimiradventurephotography]

longer times, more fuel spent

[@alfmoonmoon2002]

Eyup Paul I hope you both have really enjoyed Christmas n New Year 🎊and your a natural brilliant video keep up the good work n all the best for 2025

[@jacquigreen2203]

Thanks great video again 🙂 yeah my Xmas because I'm a solo person was a really great solo camp at an animal sanctuary 23-27th. Blisssss

[@johnwilliamson7020]

Awesome video Paul, if you’re ever up north of the border, it would be a great experience to camp out with you

[@davidhale1568]

I bought the firemaple pot when it was first available, mine wasn't particularly well made i needed to adjust the slots and foil to make a good fit. .

[@Ko-gl2dd]

Interesting test. Agree,i would minimise editing i watch for content and not the editing. But i dont want to watch a kettle boil or in this case try to listen over the sound of the kettle boiling. But your going in the right direction,haveing people pass,saying hello,.makes it more real/interesting as long as it does not detract too much. Good luck.

[@WhiteBeardWandering]

The design of the pot is designed to maximise heat conductivity. The metal fins provide the heat flux [the form and function of a material to transfer heat]. When the stove is in the grooves of the pot the flames [heat source] heat the fins that are attached to the pot, providing the most efficient heat flux.

[@fyvewytches]

I have this pot and their Green peak stove. Great stuff. There is a new 750ml pot (G2 iirc) and the Green peak II stove. I might get the bigger pot.

[@simoncee9011]

Happy New year. Great format.

[@AndrewMurdoch-h6p]

A year in with Petrel and the fire maple Polaris (pressure regulator, simmer control). Works well in all conditions, half the price of a jetboil and as awesome as Messner’s beard.

[@johnboyle243]

I think the problem occurs Paul when you cook acidic foods in aluminium the acid leaches aluminium into the food which can cause health problems

[@TheMrJuhis]

Stash has the grooves in the pot stands to kinda keep it in place. Terrible in wind tho. I usually just use the stash pot with soto windmaster when i want efficient boils with low weight. For terrible weather i take my reactor :) That fire maple system looks great for the price though.

[@The-Yorkshire-Man]

I bought this pot and use it with the MSR pocket rocket deluxe - great combo - ideal for day / 2 day hikes. Still prefer my minimo though. MSR are bringing out a similar pot to the fire maple this year. Wait for the middle aged men spending hours watching water boil 🤣. Happy New Year mate. Clive.

[@gavinmiller690]

They have just brought out a 750ml version with wider bottom that boils even quicker. Have your version andd use it with my Soto Fusion Trek which is great combo.

[@CraigJohnBoylan]

I went for the MSR Windburner as it's quicker than the Jetboil in windy conditions.

[@symy92]

Happy New Year to you and Jo!! All the best for y'all in 2025....Susan and Roger in Texas :)

[@TheEnigma64]

Happy New Year Paul...and you are so right...the hours I must have spent watching guys boil water! 😂😂

[@garethwalkinshaw286]

I use this exact pot with my Soto Windmaster and the 3 flex support and it’s just an amazing compact and especially rapid cookset! Great content Paul, all the best this year ☺️👍

[@lntkernow]

same, i prefer it to my jetboil minimo!

[@stuarthardy6829]

As you like alcohol stoves, I have the tomshoo titanium alcohol stove together with this pot. It has fold out feet and pot stands, also comes with a snuff out lid. The stove nestles nicely into the three grooves of the pot As the stove is titanium it cools down fast so you can poor any leftover fuel back into the container.

[@camping_guru_uk]

I have to say I'm looking forward to the new look, keep it real Paul. The G2 750ml pot is even faster due to the wider base. You were asking what we've been up to, well I did my first winter camp for 39+ years on the 29th Dec on the edge of the Kinder Plateau with a new tent. I'm still recovering now because I'm not fit enough. I made a crappy video with terrible audio if you want to check out the Robens tent I used. Anyway, happy new year and I can't wait to see what you are up to this year. Gary

[@petercruz1993]

I think the best things about this stove is that: - it saves gas so you can get more boils out of a small canister - it makes the pot way less likely to fall off

[@robertmcriley9568]

He also mentioned wind protection, that would be really useful if it’s significant as it saves faffing with a separate windshield!

[@petercruz1993]

@ yes very true also. I don’t think this thing is over hyped. You can get the pot for about £22 and the greenpeak ii & for about £25. For a long term kit that’s great imo

[@GarryCollins-ec8yo]

I have been using the Fire Maple with my MSR Deluxe stove. It uses half the fuel than using my Toaks pot. Well worth it. Lesson learned, do not let it boil dry, it will burn through the pot bottom.

[@PaulMessner]

I’ve seen people use aluminium pots in the fire before and got a very similar result 😂

[@GarryCollins-ec8yo]

@PaulMessner I think the aluminum being anodized makes it safe but I am no chemist.

[@jackduckworth1100]

The Petrel G3 is the same height and diameter as the large aluminium pot in the Soto Thermostack, and can be used in its place inside the cosy and the smaller Soto pots still fit inside. I’ve measured the boil times for both the large Soto pot and the Petrel G3 using the Soto Windmaster with Triflex and it dramatically reduces the fuel use. I’ve called it my Frankenstack after one of your recent videos.

[@PaulMessner]

That’s really good info thank you. To be honest with you boil times aren’t as important to me as fuel efficiency. That’s why I really like the heat exchanger pots.

[@jackduckworth1100]

@@PaulMessnerAgreed. I bought it to get more out of a single fuel canister on backpacking trips. The only downside to the setup now is that the fuel canister won’t fit in the mesh of the cozy because of the Petrel handle, but carrying the canister separately isn’t a big issue for me.

[@andrewbrown9889]

The petrel G3 on the Soto windmaster with the triflex pot stand takes some beating​@@PaulMessner

[@awatt]

I have never found a peer reviwed paper that links aluminum with any sort of health issue.

[@bertman4]

Happy New Year! Would like to see more of the Featherlite 700 in use. I love mine! Even got a dyneema pot sack for it.

[@firstname4337]

this is THE year -- you and Jo will spend a week on the Camino de Santiago

[@SoonerUnitedKingdomOffical]

It's a good pot coupled with the Soto Windmaster and Tri-flex support.

[@fraserconnell21]

A watched pot never boils😆. Id heard the thing about aluminium pots causing problems with noggins too. 👋👍

[@Mike-qx6gy]

I believe originally supposed to be paired with FM hornet 2, creating gap. Greenpeak stove has regulated winter version also.

[@INSOLESandLACES]

Happy New Year, before Christmas I treated myself to a Primus Ulti that's very similar to a MSR Reactor but remote. Have had the Reactor but found it difficult to light in windy conditions so sold it, so far so good with the Primus but still early days to give any more details.

[@dynamodav]

You can’t go wrong with titanium or stainless steel. It’s bare aluminium or coated that’s a bit questionable. Boiling water though doesn’t really wear out any coatings so it’s probably Ok. Cooking requiring harder wear and washing I would stick to titanium or stainless steel.

[@Scott-lt9dr]

I would think the grooves help with stability a bit too?

[@GeekfromYorkshire]

As an owner of a JetBoil Sol, how is it any better? When I got that JetBoil never came close at the time. That Ti canister stabiliser may help with warming up the canister as they cool down and so slowed down, as metal transmit heat better than the plastic we usually use.

[@twiglet2214]

‘Fiddlesticks and flippers!’ said Paul to Jo. ‘We’re going on this camping trip, and I forgot to pack my toothbrush and my towel. And did I bring the soap? Wait a minute. I’ll just check. Have I got it? … Nope! ‘Daisy chains and doughnuts! I didn’t bring spare socks. I meant to bring my flashlight too but left it in its box. I didn’t bring the frying pan, the sausages, the cheese, the camping stove, my bedding roll … How could I leave all these? ‘I think I left the tent pegs in the kitchen by the door. It doesn’t matter, ‘cos I left the mallet on the floor. Pepperpots and pumpkins! Of all the things I meant to bring with me, how could I leave my brand new camping tent? ‘Oh, Paul! We should have made a list of all the things to pack!’ But Jo had no reply ... She’d forgotten to bring Paul.

[@tequeena]

😂 Happy New Year 🤣🙏💗

[@twiglet2214]

@@tequeena And to you too ! May your stoves glow brightly xx

[@62pnpn]

AI rules!!

[@DaveyL1954]

And a very happy new year to you too Paul. A new stove. Bring it on. My collection is doing well: I've a petrol stove, a double gas burner, a single gas burner, a Jetboil Zip, and a double size wood burner. Can't have enough stoves. 😋😋😋