New Straight Walled Cartridge!

[@rashick11]

Glad to see Michiganders developing cartridges for Michigan. Well done!

[@EricLaney-n1k]

Not from Michigan but I'm excited to have it in ohio

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

We sure like working with Michigan based businesses for sure.

[@JohnUpp-b1w]

@@EricLaney-n1k We are all from the Great Lakes region brother.

[@tylerd8516]

This is what the 400 legend should have been

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

Yeah, they really didn’t do anything real special with the .400 legend.

[@johnparker9139]

Interesting round pushing a 180 grain over 2600 fps. Hammer!!!

[@EricLaney-n1k]

I can't wait I'm stoked to have this finally over 2500fps

[@Mmikejs72]

If these guys designing this cartridge need more testers, sign me up!

[@andyjpgaming8987]

Absolutely would love to throw this into all kinds of different environments and tests!

[@jeffpangborn4943]

Unbelievable footage of the shot! That's awesome.

[@ChrisWilliams-nu1sf]

Very interesting, glad to see a Michigan company working on this. To each their own . Some people enjoy shoot deer at 150 yards, some enjoy shooting deer at 15 yards. Do what makes you happy.

[@121092cory]

I’ve hunted with a 450 for about 6 years and love it. This looks really interesting and hope it catches on!

[@Funting3417]

I really hope this does come out I have a 450 bushmaster now but this is a nice round. I wish you guys luck in getting this to market

[@mike-xh3yh]

Thanks for sharing the weight. Gives a realistic perspective, I know a lot of people that kill 110lb doe and try and call it 150lber

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

I hear that all the time! I keep detailed records of all the deer I’ve taken over the years and she’s the 4th largest doe I’ve ever shot in our neck of the woods.

[@ChrisWilliams-nu1sf]

True, I weighed every doe I shot back in the day in Ingham County. A 125 lb doe is a big one.

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

@@ChrisWilliams-nu1sf this was an Ingham co doe. Small world.

[@muzzleblast88]

Awesome. If it's ever available I'll buy one.

[@paulmapes7223]

Always enjoy your videos! Keep them coming.

[@JohnUpp-b1w]

I own the company that’s developing the 41 Great Lakes the round drops about 20 percent less at range than a 450 or 400 legend. The recoil impulse averages 2.2 pounds more than a 350 legend , the terminal energy is 30 percent more than a 450 at effective range being 400 yards roughly. The 41 Gl was designed to address the general shooting public concerns over the current offerings . We have tested everything from 135 grain JHP to 400 grain sub the latter being a mathematical model. The ballistic sweet spot during testing would seem to be 180 grain to 210 grain though we have tested 220 and 265 the fastest speed we have attained is a150 all copper monolithic bullet we were able to drive at around 2900 FPS.

[@tcburgess2939]

Are your percentage comparisons done with factory ammo such as hornady? Or hot loads such as what bear creek ballistics is producing.

[@Trinitystillmyname]

I respect and encourage new cartridges. I hope you do well with your new wildcat load. I challenge you to show your groups on paper at maximum effective range, whatever range that may be. Look forward to seeing results.

[@adventurewyoming2646]

What's the parent case or case head diameter? Brass availability?

[@JohnUpp-b1w]

@@adventurewyoming2646 Can’t say yet I apologize.

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

@@Trinitystillmyname, I haven’t had much of a chance to do a lot of videoing with this new gun. Just too busy hunting but there will for sure be testing coming and groups being shown on camera. So far it’s been very accurate and I’d say on par with any of my .350’s and .450’s.

[@MooMallo]

Incredible blood geyser!

[@666toysoldier]

Cut off the .300WSM at the shoulder, and you have a straight-wall case that takes a .50 bullet. Any interest in developing this?

[@jackmasters9953]

Nice hunt Gabe!!! New bullet looks like a winner!!!! I know that you are a safe ethical hunter but don’t give the viewers a reason to comment on the homes that are 1000 yards away. Just a few more steps and you would have been in the clear. Happy hunting 🎄🎄🎄🦌🦌🦌

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

Actually a few more steps and there’s a highway behind them and I wouldn’t have had a shot. Tried to stop her about 4 times before that but it’s hard to get them to stop and still get good video. Lol.

[@eddyfoley1765]

Impressive

[@CraigSanders-pk2pb]

Bring it on i want two of them

[@bobwilliams6939]

Great video. Where can i get additional info about the 41 great lakes.

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

Email [e-mail]

[@josh_y9857]

Awesome video! I just picked up a 400 legend and have yet to even sight it in. Then this video comes out and i want one of these now as well! Lol. Is there any info on this yet i could look at or is it to early? Also are you guys working with strictly Ruger or is Savage going to be involved as well? Thanks for any info.

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

Thanks for the interest. I listed the owner’s email in the description of the video so you can email him directly. He’ll be able to answer your questions better than me. 👍🏻

[@wyattarie8905]

Whete did you get the barrel for that American from?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

Douglas made the barrel

[@ryantedesco6993]

I love the new caliber. I did notice her tongue hanging out before the shot. did she seem otherwise healthy ?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

I’m not really sure what the issue. She was a very healthy doe otherwise. I didn’t even notice it until I watched the footage back.

[@jeffhodgson588]

How did the exit wound look and expansion or maybe the bullet didn't exit put the blood sure did fly nice shot

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

Exit looked great. Larger than the entrance and not too much damage

[@loupuleff571]

Real nice shot and great doe I'm already thinking about that cartridge in a handgun !

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

Oh I’ve been thinking the same thing!

[@brazzy1467]

Where can I get a barrel for my Savage model 111?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

Douglas makes barrels, I’m not sure if they do Savage prefits or not. You might wanna try Match Grade Machine too. They do Savage barrels. I have one they did and it’s a shooter! I’m not sure if they have the reamer yet to chamber .41 Great Lakes but they often will have one made if they don’t currently.

[@brazzy1467]

@@FullQuiverOutdoors now where do you get your ammo at?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

@@brazzy1467​​⁠I was shooting prototype ammo directly from the designers. Check out the “.41 Great Lakes” Facebook group for updates and info. Ammo should be available here soon (maybe July/August). Check with their group to find out more info.

[@tcburgess2939]

I’m curious how it compares to the hv 450 Bear creek ammunition? I understand new things are cool and stuff but I feel like ever since the 360bh and 400lg came out we have been trying to reinvent the wheel In an already hurting time for ammo and reloading supply shortages

[@blauer2551]

Exactly. There are different loads for the 450 that will cover most situations. I use the Federal 300 grain in the woods and my buddy uses the Barnes 250 for the fields.

[@tcburgess2939]

@@blauer2551 yea like I said in my other comment new things are cool but why reinvent the wheel… we run the bear creek ammunition and out to 400 yards it’s still capable of taking a whitetail easily with the right shooter behind it…As well as being a great woods rifle. As far as recoil goes my 9 year old nephew uses his cva single shot 450 and with the break installed the recoil isn’t much more than a 20 gauge game load.

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

Totally understand. I also run Bear Creek ammo and have for years. But for a guy that doesn’t have a rifle and wants something that’s the best of both worlds, this is gonna be a great option. The tested numbers for comparable stick Ruger Americans for recoil show the .450 is around 50ft-lbs of recoil while this .41 GL is around 10. It’s not even close when it comes to recoil. Feels like shooting a .350 to me.

[@blauer2551]

@@FullQuiverOutdoors That would put it near the top of the list of hunting rifles, think you might check the charts. That puts the .450 up there with .458 Win Mag and other monsters. No information on the .41 GL I could find but the .350 is 7.08 lb recoil, and .450 is 22.22 lb recoil which is slightly less than the 7mm for comparison.

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

@@blauer2551, the guy who is developing this new cartridge also owns a recoil management company and has independently tested these rifles with these findings. Maybe I misunderstood the 450 numbers, but, even if it is 22ft-lbs, this new cartridge is less than half that in real world testing. I have 5, .450’s and 4, .350’s and can say this gun kicks like my .350’s. You won’t find any info on the 41 GL yet because it isn’t out yet. Still needs to go through SAAMI certification which is next.

[@toddr5732]

nice job! which magazine is that for the ruger?

[@WardenMotorsports]

So less drop at disance compared to the hot 450bush bear creek loads?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

The owner just commented here if you want to ask him more info. They’ve tested it extensively and will be able to answer your questions much better.

[@marais888]

Is the recoil less than a 350 Legend?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

It is not. But, it’s not much more than the .350. Much less than a .450 in the identical rifle.

[@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym]

I like it better than the 400 Legend so far, but whats the BC on the 180gr bullet? Ive also heard alot of misinformation/lying about this round too, which makes me hesitant.

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

I completely understand. Feel free to email me at [e-mail]. I should be able to answer most of your questions. I don’t know offhand the 180gr Fury BC. Sorry. I shot several deer with it and about 5 other bullets. All but one worked exceptionally well. My favorite is the 175gr all copper Bear Creek Ballistics bullet. Out of my 16” suppressor ready barrel it’s still traveling at 2675fps and that’s not quite max load.

[@EC-mc7vg]

Will this cartridge fit in an AR? What is the parent case? What AR bolt is compatible?

[@69burbon]

I was thinking the same thing. I'm starting to build a 350 legend AR.

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

There is an AR already build and it’s running very well with this cartridge. Still testing but had the potential to be the most powerful cartridge in an AR-15 platform

[@EC-mc7vg]

@@FullQuiverOutdoors What is the parent case and what bolt is it compatible with?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

@@EC-mc7vg, sorry but they are not releasing this info yet. I’m assuming that information will be available by spring or so.

[@EC-mc7vg]

@@FullQuiverOutdoors Thank you for the reply.

[@shaunsian4784]

I already want on as long. When is this caliber coming to market?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

It’s hard to say. They are working hard to get everything moving. Check out the “41 Great Lakes” Facebook page for any news.

[@shaunsian4784]

Ok thanks I'll check it out@@FullQuiverOutdoors

[@joeriedel9568]

Are you able to share any information on the round?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

The owner commented just before this with some good info. They have much more info than me as they’ve done extensive testing.

[@manueltoro2725]

Por favor que calibre es el proyectil por favor. Desde Venezuela

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

.41

[@skipperruhl1430]

really appreciate your shot placement. looking forward to the caliber introduction. bigger than the .41rem mag?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

Yes, quite a bit bigger and much more energy.

[@JohnUpp-b1w]

The 41 Great Lakes is a completely new concept I call it a modern straight walled cartridge it’s not an over grown pistol cartridge at all ,depending on the load and weight of the bullet it will run shoulder to shoulder with many classic bottle neck cartridges put to 400 yards.

[@hse785]

@@JohnUpp-b1w Do You have an update on this?

[@steveburlingame1935]

I have not been able to find a rifle chambered in 400legend and now theres this one

[@JohnUpp-b1w]

We been in development since 2019 it’s taken a lot work to get to here . We are a two man company we are very honored you showed interest in the 41 Great Lakes be patient it’s coming soon.

[@steveburlingame1935]

@@JohnUpp-b1w i cant wait to see the comparison to the 450bushmaster thats what i shot ive taken hogs out to 300yards and deer out 176yrds had shoulder surgery the recoil gets me i didnt like the 350 legend

[@normankaster917]

Nice.... But instead of making new cartridges why don't we educate the law makers/the public about the fact that new legal cartridge are faster and go farther than what's currently NOT allowed 🤔... So this new 41 GI sounds a hell of allot like the same ballistics as a 444 Marlin Hot hand load (that can't be used due to the case is longer than 1.80") but 2900 fps is way faster like by 600 fps (feet per second) faster and that's a huge difference. So my experience tells me that the new proto type 41 GI should easily reach 350+ yards with the firearm zeroed at 220 yards. So it's frustrating to me that I can't use something that doesn't compare or come close to the ballistics of the legal cartridge/ case restriction ....I don't want to HAVE to go buy a new gun when I already own one that will work, but I'm told I can't because it "travels" to far and I KNOW that's BS, and your video is just another perfect example of my flusterations... The only thing that's traveling to far is my damn truck driving to the rifle zone to use my firearm to legally take deer. This is the biggest reason I also hunt out of state because if I'm going to travel 4-6 hours north and spend 300+ in fuel, why not just head south and do the same and have had better hunts.... Im not bashing you or the 41GI at all, and I really think this is awesome, that thing would be wonderful for mule deer and even elk as a option hope it takes off.

[@davidvandervelde596]

Totally agree. Model .99 owner in .300 Savage. Can’t use it. Ballistically inferior to most of the “new stuff.” Gotta keep the economy moving while the “old stuff” becomes a safe queen. .300 savage 5 years ago was 25.00 a box. If you can find it now, $75.00-100.00.

[@PassivePortfolios]

The reason for the straight wall laws is to limit range. If something exceeds the range significantly, the state might ban it.

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

I worked on the bill to allow it in our state. It was to help with deer management and allow more effective means of harvest. So in essence, it was to extend the range and accuracy of rifles allowed. It had a sunset that was removed years ago and will remain, irregardless of straight walls developed. Some states like Iowa now allow even necked cartridges.

[@stevekotch822]

Make michigan great again allow the 45-70 in the limited firearm zone (yes i am aware i can use it legally in my encore handgun)

[@austinogrady8832]

What burris is that you're using? And how do ya like it?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

It’s a Burris Fullfield II. It’s not bad. It’s similar to a Leupold Freedom or Vortex Diamondback in my opinion.

[@austinogrady8832]

@FullQuiverOutdoors thanks boss. Been contemplating which scope I want for my 350 legend.

[@MrBirdman123]

How much difference it is compared to the 414 supermag or the 400 legand?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

The 414 is only 1.6” long while the .41 GL is 1.8” so by that alone I’d guess it’s quite a bit superior. I can’t find much for the 414 so I can’t give any real info. The cartridge length of the .400 is also 1.65” so again, less case capacity and smaller diameter. The 215gr Winchester is going 2250fps. If I remember correctly, the .41 with similar weight bullet was tested around 200fps faster. I can’t remember exactly because there’s been so much testing and numbers. But it was significantly faster. And low recoil similar to the .400.

[@johncalliope197]

Looks like 400 legend

[@1GregCB]

So is it close to the new 400 legend?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

No, it’ll surpass the .400’s ballistics by a fair amount.

[@1GregCB]

@@FullQuiverOutdoors very nice I have a Thompson center pro hunter and with them not making barrels or anything anymore I've been thinking about getting a custom barrel in 350 or 400 legend so I can use here in lower Michigan when I'm not up north do you know If it will be offered in different platforms

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

@@1GregCB yes, they have plans to offer it most platforms. There is already an AR built and being tested and performing very well.

[@edwardhoward4708]

If one wanted to sort of game the system for straight wall cartridges, it seems like a steel case with almost no taper, loaded to 80kpsi, would be the way to go. Any cartridge, really.

[@frankbrowning328]

Great drop! Something is wrong with that doe. It shouldn't have its tongue hanging out constantly. CWD?

[@bow_hunter0871]

Glad I wasn’t the only one that noticed that it’s tongue was hanging out

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

I’m not sure the issue. I noticed it but nothing else was wrong with her. She was very healthy at 135lbs field dressed. That’s a big one in our neck of the woods

[@frankbrowning328]

@@FullQuiverOutdoors We have some CWD infecred deer in my area. If it were me I'd have the deer tested. They say CWD doesnt transfer to humans but I'd feel better not eating a CWD infected animal, Just an opinion

[@EricLaney-n1k]

2,650fps sign me up ill take one

[@JohnUpp-b1w]

Be patient my friend we are working hard to bring it to market.

[@EricLaney-n1k]

@user-or9bu9fk3i will it be xhambered in ruger rifles? I would imagine great lakes will make AR barrels for it also ?

[@timhansen14]

Just need to keep it affordable. $40 a box is getting up there.

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

Yeah for sure. But the price of materials is getting ridiculous nowadays. Hard to make affordable ammo anymore.

[@timhansen14]

I’m really interested in the speeds. Most straight walls are not over 2500 fps. Good luck with the development!

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

@@timhansen14, yeah it’ll be pretty impressive. The 180gr I shot this doe with is shooting 2650fps at the muzzle. And there’s still some testing to be done, it could possibly go faster.

[@SteveC810]

That young bucks got a bum leg

[@cassidykk]

What about the buildings inline with your shot?!?!?!

[@jeffpangborn4943]

You didn't see the text on the video that said the buildings were over 1000 yards away?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

People just don’t understand that when you’re zoomed in on a subject at 100yds, the things behind it look much closer. 🙄

[@cassidykk]

I wonder how far that bullet would’ve traveled had you missed?

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

@@cassidykk nowhere near 1000yds. We know the ballistics and know where our safety zones are.

[@jeffpangborn4943]

Buffalo Bore ammunition has some interesting 450 ballistics charts that go out to 1000 yards. With a 300-grain bullet going 2500fps with a 100 yard zero, there is a 1075" drop. That same bullet at 1500fps will drop 1917". I know this cartridge is flatter shooting, but I would think a 9 foot drop would be safe.

[@kevinkerr2847]

Cool cartridge but 1000 yards is nothing for a bullet travel if you were to have missed even if the bullet ricocheted that farmhouse was directly behind your target and well within range of that bullet!

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

We’ve discussed this in the comments already but the farmhouse is actually beyond 1400yds when I actually verified it by GPS and was vacant at the time. It is NOT possible with a limited straight wall cartridge with a flat base bullet that exponentially looses energy beyond 400yds. A high miss would fall to the earth around 400-450yds (47-67" drop) and say I missed high by a foot, it would still not make 500yds. The drop at 1000yds is well over 9ft and a ricochet would cause energy to be lost. So it’s really not “well within range” of our limited straight walled cartridges. If it were, there’d be very few places to hunt in southern Michigan.

[@wallacepoff1994]

Barrel looks long

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

It is a little long. Just seeing what kind of velocity change we’ll have with a longer barrel. After the season I plan to shorten it and hopefully have a suppressor for next year too.

[@bow_hunter0871]

I just wanna know why she was walking with her tongue hanging like that

[@kingfisher302]

I have never seen a deer walk around with its tongue out like that. Only when chased have I seen that.

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

I’m not really sure. When she came through earlier, I didn’t see any of them doing that so not sure.

[@independentthinker8930]

400 legend? Turkey's Opinion has done some extensive testing with it and different bullets

[@jeffreybanaszak332]

I shoot my gun..it go Boom!

[@quentinjackson3778]

Wow another cartridge that we can't do anything with because of the ammo shortage 😢

[@JohnUpp-b1w]

We are working on it be patient with us we are doing everything we can to get it Saami certified and bring the 41 GL to the commercial market.

[@elncalls]

I won’t get my hopes up. Probably never will see a gun or ammo to run it available to buy if not an influencer or in the circle of buddies.

[@geoffshafer4055]

Is that her tongue hanging out of her mouth lol

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

Yes it is. Lol.

[@geoffshafer4055]

@@FullQuiverOutdoors great video

[@rpmorrisjr]

What in the hell does this have to do with a new cartridge? There’s plenty of video already of guys sitting in blinds shooting does. What a waste of time.

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

It’s the first animal taken on camera to be publisized with this new cartridge. If you understand cartridge development these mundane hunts are momentous occasions for the people involved. It’s a moment when tens of thousands of dollars and years of hard work by working class guys are realized and there’s success in the field. Being asked to be a part of this is an honor for me. Obviously I can’t come out and explain everything about the cartridge because this is still the testing phase as I explained. When it’s time to release all the info, you’ll see it here.

[@JohnUpp-b1w]

We are just regular guys like you we have worked very hard to get to where we are in this process we listen to peoples complaints about the 350 and 450 and addressed every one of them in the 41 Great Lakes this is a classic David and Goliath story Us against the industry if you join us in the fight we appreciate it if not I appreciate you listening to what I have to say.

[@jamespeace2369]

Nice but 450 bigger better don’t like recoil get girl gun like 20 cal creedmoor

[@FullQuiverOutdoors]

It has 30% more energy than the .450 at 400yds. Similar to a .300win mag at the muzzle. The .450 may be bigger but you’d have to define better to me. We can’t shoot necked cartridges in most of the Midwest so this will be one of the most powerful options available.