NEW Surly Bikes: Latest Model Updates & Why We Love Them! 🚲 | Full Review by an Intergalactic Dealer

[@zeeshimon7138]

Finally a mature and serious video but surely! What a nice and informative review

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

Thanks for watching!

[@erikk7643]

I built a 2024 MS myself. Love the colour! I went with 650b and 11spd grx. My 1st Surly and I see why people love them. Keep up the good work. Those Karate Monkey's look cool

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

Wheels are turning on a MS build. I’m a fool for Fools Gold.

[@jayknudson3534]

I have a disc trucker w/ 26” wheels, started w/frame and bought every part for a full custom build, I love it.

[@johnsini4579]

Great video 👍

[@rhines8513]

Picked up the new Straggler size 50 with the 650b. My first Surly and I wanted soemthing beefy for winter riding as I am a roadie/gravel rider. Took off the knards and put on Rene Herse Pumpkin Ridges.

[@madisondeans5566]

Love your Surly vids,Im a huge fan of Surly & your informative video is so fun! I might drive to Kansass' to check your store out!😉👌

[@hananas2]

I like Surly's approach to bike releases. When you're dealing with a technology that's as mature as steel bicycles, there's really no need to bring out something new every year. They know their customers aren't suckers who want the latest thing all the time, instead get what they need and keep it for as long as it satisfiest their use case. Other companies could really learn something from this, it say something about how confident Surly is that their bikes are about as good as they can get for the intended use.

[@jonmarshall1502]

Surly are a crazy bunch , refreshing in this day and age.

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

I agree!

[@dannyzuehlsdorf3697]

I saw an amazing color on the TRANSITION SMUGGLER, I think it was a 2023 color.... ORCHID. I was one click away from buying it just based on its BEAUTY! The only reason I didn't was because I already have a full squish Canyon! Thank you for the video.

[@OutLan]

That Krampus is beautiful!

[@ZenEndurance]

New Krampus color is awesome

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

I agree!

[@MrGoodaches]

Wife and I have a pair of 2018 ECRs. I probably need to clarify they are on 27.7+ turned by 2x10 drive trains. We use them primarily for loaded bikepacking. Our biggest trip was GDMBR. These were the bikes I thought I was going to have to custom build but Surly came out with exactly what I was planning. At this time I don’t see a viable alternative to these bikes. A 1x drivetrain is a non-starter for our uses. On GDMBR we rolled into a famous CO bike shop with a dozen others who we had been riding with since MT. Our inspection/repair cost for 2 bikes was less than anyone else for their single bike. I immersion wax chains and run tires at 15% drop (all 4 tires have unique PSI but contact patches end up all same size). Otherwise I don’t do anything special nor have I modified them. Also note, on all downhills, regardless of dirt, gravel, or pavement we comfortably out rolled every other bike packer we’ve ridden with. The 3” tires at the optimized tire pressure were extremely sure footed and the worse the surface the bigger our advantage in rolling speed. I don’t understand why none of the truly competitive Tour Divide racers have not used a 2x10 ECR. Whatever the weight penalty is perceived to be would be offset by the time I see them lose in shops or compensating for some component failure the last 500 miles.

[@dontipton4570]

I have an ECR and my wife a bridge club. We completed the GAP and C&O on them, absolutely love them!!

[@WildOutdoorLiving]

One thing consumers should know is that big brands (Trek, Specialized etc) Dont actually change individual models every year. Most models get a new frame every 3-5 years or longer. They only change the paint and sometimes components every year, but it is the same bike. What they tend to do is rotate frame upgrades between models so that every year they have a few new bikes to advertise and create some bike envy. 3-5 years is still way too often. I really appreciate Surly for being honest about only changing colors and keeping good frames in production as long as possible. Really love the blue oyster Krampus... I already have one in tangled up in blue though haha.

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

Yeah, I agree with your point.

[@Lepercurtidoo]

Hello, nice video with really nice new colors. I love the blue oyster coat Krampus. I do have a question: the Krampus and the Ghost Grappler are very similar geometry. So I wonder if you would sit on a Krampus and a GG with exactly the same bars, seatpost, saddle, wheels etc it would feel exactly the same right? I have a GG and find the reach a bit long...

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

The geometry is slightly different. Bike insights is a good tool to get a comparison. I added the link here. Everything should swap over for the most part. The biggest difference is the stakc height on the GG, but the reach is slightly shorter. bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=633c2fd8d597220023c28861,620ab37aefed3e002360096a,

[@iecrime]

Everyone needs a bike whose color is called new pig smell. :D

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

I agree 100 percent.

[@leefitler4597]

Was hoping you would say the Bridge Club now comes with thru axle…

[@theymademepickaname1248]

And their Preamble. QR works, but it's becoming obsolete. I can't see buying a new bike with an old standard.

[@l2l791]

@@theymademepickaname1248you can aleays have a wheel made for you. I think QR is nice. :)

[@petergibson7287]

@@theymademepickaname1248 That's really weird; I see comments like that often and here I am not at all concerned with having a bike with QR wheel attachment.

[@theymademepickaname1248]

@@petergibson7287 search for a new wheel. You will find hundreds with thru-axles but only a handful with qr. So, it's a problem if you want to upgrade or replace.

[@Mickmeister63]

I will have that white Karate Monkey…..oh yes it will happen!

[@henrythefifth9993]

I am a big fan of Surly since LHT. However, I don't know why they named it silly, karate japs?

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

Right! Forgot to mention the seat tube sticker is multi color vs the silhouette style on all the other bikes. I hope this trend continues.

[@dustythewhale3809]

I have a Straggler with like 14k on it. Its set up flat var SS now. Hand build HED wheels on CK hubs. Its an amazing bike

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

Very cool! Love to see big miles on a Surly.

[@petergibson7287]

I have a Straggler in Chlorine Dream that I ride each day to work. Now that a new colour has been released, it's obvious that I must now have two Stragglers to ride to work.

[@mkrj2576]

KM needs an update…. Geo corrected for a 120mm fork. Frame only available w/o paying for the steel fork most people don’t use.

[@thomasandrews8033]

Do you have a video on their fat bike models? Nice video and thank you!

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

I haven’t done any Fat Bike videos. We don’t have many Fat Bikes in the shop just because we don’t have much snow or good fat bike conditions. I’d LOVE to get a Moon Lander to try out.

[@thomasandrews8033]

@ottawabikeandtrail thank you! Not being argumentative but no snow is needed, I enjoy the benefits of superior traction all year long. 😉👍

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

@@thomasandrews8033​​⁠Oh I agree 100 percent! I love riding them. But, my experience has been fat bikes sit on the floor forever. I have a Surly Wednesday Small in the shop now, and it gets a lot of looks but no one has put the money down on it. I think it has a lot to do with the area we happen to be in.

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

I should add that we do sell a lot of fat tire e-bikes.

[@thomasandrews8033]

@@ottawabikeandtrail for sure. I got my LG Wednesday in Tempe, AZ. Manager said it had been there almost two years, needless to say I got a good deal on it.

[@pedaldriven417]

Cool bikes , I’ll get the one with rim brakes ;)

[@JoeOsChannel]

Ottawa KANSAS? Here I thought you were in Ottawa Ontario Canada. Was thinking it would be a cool shop to work at and a good bit closer to the Maritime provinces and my daughter where I am from. I miss working in bike shops and selling Surly's. Going for a spin on my Bridge Club soon (Thunder Bay Ontario, Canada.. Cheers..

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

Yeah, we get that a lot! We have lots of friends in Canada. Come visit us in the states.

[@JoeOsChannel]

@@ottawabikeandtrail If I'm down your way, I will for sure.

[@henrysilver2134]

Yeah same... I was so stoked to find this cool bike shop selling Surly in Canada! I was considering flying there from Calgary, haha. Canada's capital is actually in Kansas y'all! Haha. If I am for some reason in Kansas. I will definitely check out the shop. Thank you for the informative vids

[@MyBikeAndMyCoffee]

I have a Surly pack rat, that thing can carry so much stuff and firewood for camping.

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

Long live the Pack Rat! Love mine also.

[@MyBikeAndMyCoffee]

@@ottawabikeandtrail Totally robust, durable and utilitarian. I'm planning on using it for biketouring to Quebec from NYC -maybe next year!

[@phelippepx10]

lighten up surly.

[@mazditzo]

Still, my dream frame is ECR with either belgian cheese or tank green. Only able to secure boring black 😤 others sold out fast back then

[@matthewshroyer8548]

Will the ***** grappler be getting a new color this fall?

[@stevebarnes9345]

Where is a PREAMBLE!!!!! ( thanks for the vid tho. )

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

Check my other video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r163fXt8rqeCi5Ysi=HXGHCjRVU5h3AAos

[@IS-xk3iq]

The drive train matters to me. I hate when the drive train is down graded. I love the Ogre.

[@Hurricane2k8]

I honestly don't understand the direction they took the Midnight Special. Not at all. If you look at the communities online where people share their Surly bikes, the overwhelming majority of MS owners gear the bike towards gravel primarily, but still agile on road. I would very much prefer the bike as a 1x setup with 700c wheel and large gravel/hybrid tires. And, this part is purely subjective, I think Fool's Gold looks horrible on the MS. Doesn't fit the frame at all. It was kinda cool on the Karate Monkey, but certainly not on the MS.

[@GordoGambler]

2 years ago I saw a tall guy with a beautiful blue MS, I think it had a 2x with 650B. He said he wanted to try tour with it. 80% of people are buying these other USELESS idiotic steep slope frames with a duck squat rear end. NUTS. Only 1x worth a damn is ROHLOFF14. No pie plate included. LOL I do 90 -120 mile rides on my custom tour build at 70+ lbs. My SA X-RD3 on a 1973 CCM gets me down the highway or city just fine as well. My SA XL RD5w is actually my fastest, but the middle gear keeps crapping around. It's done 46 mph. And anyway, there's NO brake better than the 90 drums, also on the front dyno hubs.

[@ryanschmidt7691]

If the midnight special has a 12 speed cassette, isn’t the 2x just unnecessary dead weight?? Why would someone do this?

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

I think it’s in keeping with the road bike approach. Road bikes use 2x drivetrains allow you to fine tune shifting and maintain a specific cadence over long distnaces on mostly smooth roads. 1x works on gravel and off road because you aren’t as concerned about maintaining cadence.

[@bennettshfd2]

Difference between Krampus and Karate Monkey?

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

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[@nowyourefinished6481]

The Midnight Special is not a gravel bike. It is a road bike. The geometry does not lie. It was a genre-defying fat-tired road bike with quick-handling road geometry. Riding this bike for long periods on rough gravel roads will fatigue you compared to the Straggler, or similar, bike with actual gravel geo. Ride your bike(s) wherever you want, however you want. Just don't call the MS a gravel bike. That is a disservice to your customers. Peace.

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

I agree with Surly's definition "Road Plus Bike That Tackles Pavement & Gravel".

[@bobwhite4748]

what no Moonlander

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

I was going to explain in my video, but ran out of time. We have a hard time moving fat tire bikes in our area. I would LOVE to have one to show off, but can’t justify it. Hoping to get a customer to order one.

[@billyblaze700x9]

If only there were made in usa...

[@mf7513]

Surly puts a lot of R&D into paint colors. Not so much in product innovation

[@SNakeEyes_1]

need more eyelet in fork 😢

[@kevinhavener4445]

Since you're a Surly dealer, if you run across a pre-disc 52 or 54 cm Long Haul Trucker, let me know. My contempt for disc brakes knows no bounds!

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

We had two in the shop in the last few weeks. No one wants to sell them. If I find one I’ll let you know.

[@theymademepickaname1248]

What a silly thing to be contemptuous about. Why?

[@bikeenjoyer32]

I feel like if ur gonna drop that type of money on a bike u should wait till u find exactly what u want​@@theymademepickaname1248

[@TurnipGreen]

​@@theymademepickaname1248 No reason to over complicate the bicycle

[@theymademepickaname1248]

@@TurnipGreen one system uses a caliper to apply pressure to the rim, the other uses a caliper to apply pressure to a disc. It's the same concept.

[@ryanprentice6921]

what's up with Surly doubling down on the super low stack height relative to virtually everyone else.

[@Mickmeister63]

"relative to everyone else". Bingo. Should every bike maker have the same geometry? No, not really that hard to understand. Just go buy the same thing everyone else is buying. Boring.

[@dougpage2730]

I really liked your video but the blasting music drove me away.

[@ottawabikeandtrail]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@Just4Gordon]

Nice bikes, bad decals.

[@deadreckoner5276]

Proud to have never owned a surly.

[@Mickmeister63]

And you had to announce that here because why?

[@deadreckoner5276]

Bored

[@Mickmeister63]

@@deadreckoner5276 that’s a really sad existence then.

[@granthew71]

Major bummer bud. 😦

[@petergibson7287]

Meanwhile, I'm proud to presently own two Surlys, and am ashamed that I had two others that I sold.

[@johnharrington2400]

with a name like Surly (worst name ever) it seems logical they would only use black components. Enough already.

[@markm6488]

It's alright John Harrington. Even with that name, and your narcissistic attitude, we still love you.

[@moronsmorons8913]

@@markm6488 I don't love him. He just drives cars.