New Trifox carbon aero disc frameset - thorough review

[@Hambini]

I've just cut up a trifox, results were quite interesting

[@stevenleffanue]

You going to publish video on it?

[@luishurtado8015]

Oh man, don’t tease. What have you found?

[@Hambini]

@@stevenleffanue yep it's coming!

[@DeepakKumar-lv4te]

@@Hambini does it have swearing in it? If not, I'm not watching.....

[@KickTurner]

yeah ham! ...u gonna put a video up abt the 'tryfox' u sliced up??

[@durianriders]

Good vid Steve! Ive got an X8 coming for review. The finish quality in your vid looks as good as my SL7 S-Works tarmac.

[@stevenleffanue]

Ah yes the x8 is the light frame...just right for you Harley :)

[@guineapig13]

Really? Looks pretty horrible to me inside the head tube and BB area 😬

[@javisan6001]

Thank you! Ultra detailed review, regards from Guatemala!

[@hellodisdat]

This is a really good walkthrough of the bike man. Huge props! Would love to see the inside of your other carbon frames in comparison using the endoscope, I think that's a really interesting viewpoint that I haven't seen on other carbon bike channels, usually they just talk about ultra-sounding for voids; though Durian has spoken about it and tried to show internal weave from frame openings particularly on his Pragma frames, your endoscope stills are able to put an internal image to what so many people talk about but can't present. Great video. Looking forward to the next!

[@willum5175]

I would be interested in seeing the frameset scanned for voids and any other issues that can’t be seen from the outside. Basically, have Luescher Teknik do a non destructive analysis of the frame. He is also in Australia…

[@stevenleffanue]

Yes good idea but he is in Melbourne , 680km away from here.

[@Cesttoileusername]

@@stevenleffanue Bike packing trip? :)

[@roveism]

This is such a good point, I would love to see what Luescher says about the frame after he has scanned for voids. All those internal Wrinklings makes me nervous about buying a frame.

[@roveism]

@@stevenleffanue Just send it over, you dont have to drive to him. Do a channel collab, share the cost of postage? $100-200

[@wasupwitdat1mofiki94]

Exposed cables in the frontal area? OMG! That's going to slow you down a whole .02 seconds in a 40 mile TT. 😁

[@johnnytyj1]

But your belly weights will slow you down more than 30 minutes

[@PhiyackYuh]

@@johnnytyj1 you cant tell mamils that 🤫 they know they are pros in their own world so with fat gut but complains the bike has exposed cables lighter than their 10kg visceral fat 🤷‍♂️😂😂😂 it will slow em down 🙃

[@derosa67]

I thought having exposed cables was a huge plus!!

[@julest2503]

Love your video as always mate! Very informative and a good amount of fun! I really love the camo decals on thar Trifox 🥰

[@leftymadrid]

Nice! Looks like a great bike. And seeing the carbon work actually is a plus for me.

[@huhummmmmmm]

That's one ugly paint job, though.

[@jamessmurf2929]

tbh its all subjective. i have mates who would agree with you and others who thinks its the best thing in the world.

[@reginaldmorton2162]

Very good review and its what I've been looking for.

[@BMWPROGRAMMINGJAMAICA]

chinese carbon constryction is weak quaity, aviod buy from them. Their carbon frame are internaly ugly made.

[@josefedericopresno6668]

Muy buen analisis. Saludos desde España!

[@mannimix]

Steve, you outdid yourself in this video. I like watching your tech videos, but the video close ups of the inside of the frame in this one were great. They really gave a different perspective from other bicycle frame review videos, where the reviewer just guesses how its put together. I really liked it....Question, how much weight did you have to lose to squeeze into the frame.........😉

[@jasperverkuijl]

1st of all, very thorough review👍, I've done a review video of the Trifox recently as well but after initial inspection didbt feel that good about it. Few things I see from your vs my frame/experience: - even though the finish of the carbon/paint wasn't that good on your frame,mine was far worse. The carbon around the headset was so rough I couldn't get the bearings in at first, the paint job wasn't nice at different parts, the caliper mounts where completely covered in paint (including the holes) and more... To me it implies the quality isn't consistent.... What do you think? Another thing I'd wanted to mention/ask is about your "hand squeeze" test of the rear and front fork, what would you actually take from that? It's very random and doesn't say much? A frame should be designed to have certain characteristics with the wheels and axles mounted imo, as the axle is part of the structure. Testing them without the axle... What would you get from that? (A big difference in stiffness from reach chainstays was visible but what does that tell us? A frame is never stressed like that in normal usage)

[@stevenleffanue]

Hi Jasper.Yes, previously their road and mtb frames have been pretty rough. This x10 is from the latest batch of frames which Trifox claim to have improved their quality control. Hambini is doing a cut up of one soon. Flexing the stays and forks simply shows some frames flex more than others....what this translates into should be increased frame stiffness but of course may also transfer more road vibration. Need to ride it to find out yet.

[@jasperverkuijl]

@@stevenleffanue flexing the fork only shows the flex in a way the frame will never flex or is not designed to flex in any circumstance, since there will always be a wheel in the fork to prevent that and that is actually part of the structure of the frame. So saying a frame is stiffer than another because the fork flexes more than another when you take the wheel out and ''test'' it the way you did, sorry I cant go with that. If you want to compare stiffness, compare it in a way a bike would normally be stressed when riding, than you can have an actual comparison. I'm still with a previous frame (x16) so the QC wasnt really good at that one...

[@danielbum912]

Paintjob (or lets say combination of carbon finish + decals) on that thing is absolutely banging

[@rozscyclingadventures]

Frame looks cool, especially the carbon weave. Looking forward to the final build and the first ride video.

[@chriscross5689]

Yoleo R12 and the trifox are almost identical. Both look very similar to the Cippolini NK1K . Trace velo on KZbin has done a build on the teifox bike.. disc brake. Poss different model.

[@pmcmpc]

I'd put money on that threaded BB sleeve debonding from the frame after a couple of years. It looks an absolute mess.

[@fastlanerc8]

Hi, nice to see more videos from you!! Nice looking frame

[@glennoc8585]

I haven't been anyone in Adelaide on a Trifox frame so this is interesting. Better to be packed well. Looks good Steve.

[@cyclinglover3721]

Mario cipollini is having stomach cramping every time he seems all this videos showing copy's of he's bikes

[@edmundscycles1]

Looks like a cervelo S5 but with a bottom bracket that is a good design . I like it . 👌

[@Sam-cy6cd]

Which is better build quality? Yoeleo or Trifox? And why?

[@galenkehler]

My Yoeleo r12 sure looked cleaner on the inside, and Yoeleo has even gone to silicone molds now which should be even better.

[@theolang155]

Many thanks for you vids ! Very instructive ! Also, just a comment : If I understand properly, if the frame of the bike is flexible, you must first fold the frame, before turning the wheel? Correct?

[@stevenleffanue]

Not sure what you are asking Theo?

[@theolang155]

​@@stevenleffanue So, should be more rigid frame more responsive than the more flexible one ? Also less energy is absorbed and dissipated into the rigid frame ?

[@stevenleffanue]

Yes. However the stiffer the frame the more vibration is usually transferred to the rider. So riding a frameset is the best test.

[@theolang155]

@@stevenleffanue Yes, Things become clear : When i say : 'the more the frameset of the bike is flexible, the more you must first fold the frame, before turning the wheel' it is referred whih the image of a 'a flexible rubber lever, which must first be bent before lifting the nail' According to the compromise 'stiffer-reponsive-vibration vs flexible-dissipative-comfort' , i remember - Peter Sagan such a shocks absorber on the bike's handlebars - and Canyon with a shocks absorber in the saddle This should compromise both .

[@paulhyland4653]

could you see what they used to insulate the aluminum and carbon to stop galvanic corrosion ? it didn't look like they used any thing on the rivnuts. i live in a wet country at the see and i have seen plenty of it .Thanks

[@dido1803]

great observation!! Great point to look out for.

[@greywolf271]

Seriously mate, I thought you were about to give an OH&S talk about the danger of using scissors.

[@SirBender]

do I see it right? It´s not high modular CF? I mean I only see fine woven Carbon fiber

[@Sr.D]

Spain built Orbea... imposible nowadays...

[@996driver1]

Really love your builds and I am looking forward to the subsequent videos. Thank You, Scott

[@luishurtado8015]

Great overview!

[@gerard45gh]

Very informative really enjoyed your review 👍

[@patrickparisienne1917]

I must say that it is one nice looking frameset!👌

[@gregboyd5815]

That patch in the head tube could be hiding any on the "sins" displayed in the steerer. Hope its OK

[@stevenleffanue]

What I don't understand is why would they bother covering up something nobody sees Greg?

[@gregboyd5815]

@@stevenleffanue Could be a void could be nothing - Who knows? Just hope it is OK

[@artix4635]

it would be interesting to do the same with a frame from a recognized brand, specifically the camera test inside the frame

[@stevenleffanue]

I have done so with the Canyon Aeroad...mite put the vid up some time.

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

all that foam but nothing on the end of the steerer. main thing is we are screwing up the environement well and good.

[@OnRoadVintageBikes]

Great video, all important said. Thank you.

[@lexa5051]

Hi Oz Steve, youve reviewed many chinese frames but ever heard of Java bikes?. It's a Chinese made bike with "italian theme and supppsedly designed by Italians".theyre popular in Bankok,Singapore and the midEast, and I heard abit known in Australia. They have hi ends and entry levels also. Please do a review on them, if you have the funds.😄😄.Thanks

[@anthonyduncalf-uk]

Max tyre is 25C on that model according to their spec chart . I have an Airwolf YFR029 frame which is rim brake but the design of the frame is exactly the same. Mine is 25C max too. My 25C tyres aren't really close to the frame at the front .

[@DrVinylBcn]

0:12 Chinese are improving the skills in the bike industry, but that's not good for your country... because increase the unemployment. Welcome to a global world 😂😂🤣🤣

[@trekkeruss]

I am not liking the camouflage; it looks cheap. But of course beauty is within the eye of the beholder.

[@jamiedwyer3619]

Just got the ELVES Falath! 2 weeks to make & custom paint, then 4 days to get here 🙌👌

[@jamiedwyer3619]

Well made & super light!

[@stevenleffanue]

Yes Elves make nice framesets

[@daihat]

Amazing bikes, and im very curious which one you prefer to ride the most? I mean ride feel, comfort and speed ;-).

[@stevenleffanue]

R12 most comfortable.

[@Froxdj]

nice work buddy :)

[@Fungi.are.cool.]

Very nice video! Could you do a review of the ICAN cycling A9 disc frame?

[@stevenleffanue]

Yes , if they send me one 😁

[@76booge]

That's a rough looking frame internally, but you get what you pay for. Always wondered about these frames. I'll give them a miss

[@trekmadone936]

Super review this frame what you think the stiffness compares windspace .

[@Hard_Work_Is_Rewarding]

Hi Steve, great review, thank you. What upsets me is that most modern frames would only allow 28c clearance. If we accept the fact that there are measurable losses if the clearances between the frame are bigger, there is nothing to prevent manufacturers to design frames for 30 or 32c tyres. With those miniscule clearances, which, in itself, may not be such a great idea.

[@ethanlin7984]

Hi Oz, this video has been on KZbin 1 year, do you still recommend this frame to consumer?

[@stevenleffanue]

Yes, it's still excellent value for money!

[@pratomoardianto336]

what size is this again? I’m 179cm, considering this trifox. but it looks like i need to go for the S size??

[@stevenleffanue]

Mine is Large , so Medium would suit you

[@pratomoardianto336]

@@stevenleffanue thx for the reply 🙏

[@Froxdj]

what does it ride like? thinking about buying one

[@stevenleffanue]

I'm just doing the build and ride video now , should be up soon. Rides very well , I wasn't expecting it to be so nice. Comfy yet aggressive feel.

[@Froxdj]

@@stevenleffanue thanks for that buddy, you and @hambini has twisted my arm :0. think I am going to get the X12. was going to get a winspace but now you have changed my mind ha ha :)

[@FJJ18]

The tape in the headtube, could it be to cover up any rough seams so as not to accidentally gauge the fork tube?

[@nizamnizam289]

Bro i was really amazed to see the vedio about trifox im waiting for your ride experience

[@TheGotoGeek]

The external routing of the cabling at the bars is a plus, not a minus.

[@velobey7832]

In mechanical aspect, little compliance though lateral direction for both rear and front dropout is required to prevent performance issues for disc brake and also general comfort as well as cornering stability.FYI

[@DDGB08]

Great video

[@griff1709]

great review!

[@selder03]

The real question is... Will the BB fit a hambini BB?

[@lucperon9600]

I am 190cm, riding a 60cm Trek Domane, would the 58cm be big enough?

[@stevenleffanue]

If you are young and using for racing, yes...otherwise you will probably need a larger size

[@leggy5294]

Dont know much, but when hambini likes it it cant be too shabby.

[@evanchan7207]

thanks for the review very well explained everything

[@KyrosHouseCycling]

Nice video! 👍

[@wazirtan6801]

nice 👍

[@ginti4725]

Great video, as I was thinking about getting this frame set for my next build. Love to know how it rides.

[@Sills71]

I have shipped 100s of bikes... spacers in the fork.dropout make NO difference... if something "crushes" the box, the carbon will be damaged, spacer or not

[@stevenleffanue]

Please put spacers in your frames....most damages are not from major crushing forces but by other luggage or handling. With carbon it only moves so far then breaks suddenly.

[@jef722]

Love your collection of bikes mate! Great video too

[@waleed7596]

Excellent video. 10/10! Love the detail

[@roadiemuhsil9821]

Where is ride experience bro

[@stevenleffanue]

Upload very soon

[@eeul]

Great viewing inside the frame! And thanks for the thorough instructions on how to inspect a carbon fork

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

very thorough review, thanks

[@hotcakes1117]

The carbon work on this frame is a horror show!

[@TheNationalTrails]

hmm on the loose fibers on bottle cage bolts?

[@JonCannings]

It looks a nice bike that.

[@Ganelin]

Thank you a lot for the review!

[@klausdietrich9475]

Hi Steve! Please check the rear bolt (& hole) of the saddle clamp mechanism. Mine did slip into the seat post when sitting on the tip of the saddle and the saddle became loose. I did file away some of the seatpost around the rear bolt and put some shims between the seat post and the bolt. Now nothing is moving!

[@stevenleffanue]

Yes I found it was a problem too and shimmed it. Thanx Klaus

[@KiKi-gd5th]

UCI approved? Also can I ask, if a frame is not UCI approved does that automatically mean is bad? Or does it even matter?

[@stevenleffanue]

Doesn't matter. It's a testing which if past you need to pay for the certificate and listing.

[@chriscross5689]

Also, the bike with those wheels you tested looked really good.

[@fastestmilkman3840]

There is a lot of plastic.. 😂

[@triben4881]

What ever happened to your test of the Trifox frame?

[@stevenleffanue]

Coming

[@triben4881]

@@stevenleffanue hurray. I mucked up the paraffin waxing but followed your instructions to the T. Ptfe just arrived too so time for a rewax

[@allyp7]

great video as always. love the frame decals, enjoy!

[@Punisher5926]

Would be interested in seeing a follow up to chain waxing using Graphene instead of PTFE.

[@stevenleffanue]

Graphene isn't readily available worldwide....yet.

[@Skylab01]

Why do you prefer threaded bb instead of press fit?

[@stevenleffanue]

Press fits have reputation of developing creaking.

[@byrondixon4648]

Bit heavy? Yoleo better?

[@Tethysmeer]

I just bought a CFR696, as far as I could see it is beautifully made. They really have come a long way in the last years.

[@driesvandenbroecke1697]

I have a Chinese dengfu fm098, beautiful bike and still perfect

[@PaulCyclist]

Does Trifox or another PRC carbon frame make a Endurace geometry road bike?

[@stevenleffanue]

Yes there are a lot of Chinese gravel framesets

[@BenSietze]

Perhaps one of the worst paint jobs I’ve seen on a bike frame. At least I can’t think of any frame paint job that I dislike more than this one.

[@stevenleffanue]

"Beauty is......"

[@BenSietze]

@@stevenleffanue that is absolutely correct. Just in this case I’m not the beholder 👍 Keep up the good work and your fantastic videos!

[@picshooter]

Thanks for the review. I assume you didn't have to pay for it, I know I wouldn't.

[@roberts8783]

any videos of comparing Taiwanese Carbon ?

[@stevenleffanue]

Not yet but there is one about a Korean carbon wheelset Robert.

[@keithtse6834]

Why can't these chinese brands come up with better names? "Yo, Leo!". Winspace with 80s Pacman font.

[@stevenleffanue]

Yes I agree

[@DeepakKumar-lv4te]

Their language works in a completely different way given the drawn symbols. You should read up on it, it's quite interesting.

[@sebbelito2975]

@@DeepakKumar-lv4te I am interested, what should I search for to look it up? :) Any videos as an example, links? :)

[@whitebeardcycles]

Another great in depth review

[@lyrooo326]

Oh wow! Nice.

[@frangonzalez6511]

As always a great work!

[@YujinTakenouchi]

What happened to the full build?

[@stevenleffanue]

Been ridn it for 5 weeks now , will put video together soon

[@meegel3689]

Will you review elves vanyar soon?

[@stevenleffanue]

I will ask them if they want to send a frame over

[@dido1803]

great review!!

[@fucktheworld1207]

You have a fine collection of bikes, mate 👌🏻

[@black_coobra]

Good job

[@stevecrump1375]

Nice👍

[@Cobrakai147]

Are you able to go Di2 on the frame?

[@stevenleffanue]

Yes

[@paulhyland4653]

looks good

[@sepheralidosti9039]

Hi mate, im about to buy this frame, what are your thoughts on it?

[@stevenleffanue]

..can't wait to test ride it

[@sepheralidosti9039]

@@stevenleffanue great would like to hear the verdict on it mate.