New vs Old Land Rover Defender: Up-Hill DRAG RACE & Off-Road Battle!

[@AntonioPalmucci]

good...now do that against the Fiat Panda 4X4, and then we talk again

[@paolamalato8661]

you've got a point

[@eddiespall5651]

or a jimny lmao

[@VanekLarson]

Getting famous off of comments day 144, so I can live the dream, live life to the fullest .🤙🤙🤙

[@AntonioPalmucci]

@Aaron Lhungdim ahahahah so happy about this comment!!!! i like this channel 🥰😂

[@Luckyjo21]

do ittttttttttt

[@arnom1885]

The old Defender just looks so much more in its element!

[@craig__07]

What I said in another video

[@120fornovo]

the new one is a SUV stuffed with electronics, i want to see when it fail, what happens

[@Sam-gf6ue]

And I guarantee when the next defender comes out (if there will be one). This one will look more in its element.

[@stinger_3454]

The old defender looks and feels like it can take on some extreme situation

[@Huffly123]

Thats right

[@autonewstv86]

the old Defender is still as cool as Steve Mqueen.

[@indrabendi3300]

Yes, i prefer the old one

[@georgedowns4034]

old defender is cool yeh but nothing on the coolness (if that's a word) of the latest one in my opinion

[@Zahoodo]

The new defender is the same as discovery it has no links to the old beast

[@ArcherTheGolfer]

Nothing cool about driving a out of date old tin can thats so uncomfortable to drive 😂

[@georgedowns4034]

@@Zahoodo yes cus it looks sooooo different to the old one, is rubbish off-road & only got 2 seats. The new one is much better in my opinion

[@Aaronburf]

To be honest, off-roading is not about speed but it’s about how far it can go. Old defender is gonna last wayyyy longer then this new one. Especially as water and electricity don’t mix and if you go through floods with snorkel it’s easy with old. Edit: Old defender is easy fix as it has bearly any electronic stuff so it can be fixed with a hammer, spanner and screwdriver!

[@ThatIcelandicDude]

Plus let's not forget the most crucial element. The old defender looks like an actual off-roader.

[@mhanke1]

You mean oldoldold Defender. Already due to current norms, the lst "old" Defender had enough electronics to make a well-equipped repair shop mandatory.

[@duncanmcewan1049]

@Bass Corp I am fairly certain the "full" Range Rover can wade up to 900mm as well. OK, the question is - who would take a £90k+ car off-roading / through a deep river, but that's another story :p

[@mercobenz10]

Really ...yeah the old defender is known for its reability hh

[@carguy3292]

Bruh did you not know the new defender has a wading depth ( how deep it can go on water) is 0.9 meters but the old one only have 0.5 meters and the new one has a higher snorkel and it's electronics is water proof

[@radarsh1967]

Still love the old one, a true icon.

[@Ansm071.1]

New one look odd for me atleast

[@PGee.]

Both are🤮

[@MorningNapalm]

Best comment so far, not about better or worse, just about how much we like them. I love them both, but unless I was starting an off-roading company in some remote part, I would take the new one. I just hope that they can get it reliable.

[@ashleygentle6501]

I feel the same about the ex-wife.

[@jackbirchley4609]

@@MorningNapalm With all those electronics, find an old defender with little or no electronics.

[@antonvalentine]

Let’s be honest, people respect the old Defender more.

[@antoinewilliams129]

Well ofc. It’s been proven. The new one has to go through the ringer in order to be respected.

[@boilet-masclecolin156]

I will never sell mine❤

[@dularar8934]

new one is a fat panda

[@peterfuchs187]

@@dularar8934 lol

[@nathanwabre]

You respect it because the farmer that’s driving it

[@brelade-gb]

Don't get me wrong. The new defender is amazing at off road, but 1 thing that everyone keeps missing is parts. My 110 TD5 defender has had numerous new parts on it, and they're cheap as chips, AND i can fix it in my driveway. Defenders are utilitarian, the new defender is (in my opinion) a more off road orientated Range Rover

[@atarvhegde5210]

Well , due to the luxury their other SUVs provide , Land Rover has become more of a luxury car than off road car. Don't get me wrong though, all I am saying is people expect Land Rovers to the luxurious and comfy , not utilitarian. The situation was different back in the 70s and 80s though

[@1979jon]

Reshelled disco sport

[@agilchrist73]

Form or function - a Defender was always function first. If this bloke could drive off-road, the old defender would be towing out the new one from a ditch

[@magnustan841]

Can you imagine if they brought out a 2020 car and it looked, felt and drove like a military vehicle? No one would buy it... The new Defender has to offer a sprinkling of premium, while still being roughty-toughly. I think they’ve done an a decent job, I wished it just it looked a touch more like it’s predecessors, just a little. The only thing that’s familiar is the rear...

[@Mr.k3n]

@@magnustan841 a person in the comments who actually has common sense!!! Fuck my life!!!

[@travelforlife3080]

Might have been fairer to compare against the short wheelbase old Defender. Also, would have liked to see at least one water obstacle, especially with that snorkel on the old Defender - all of those electronic advantages could evaporate in an instant!

[@chimei-tekinaneko8318]

Yep, modern cars in general have way too much computer bs in them.. even as a tech guy, i would always prefer the old boy, cuz they are built simple and strong.

[@robburt8588]

I’ve got both old a new defender 90’s. Never had the old one stuck which I can’t say about the new one. The new defender will never become an icon like the old one is….

[@CieplinskiPawel]

Personal opinion: the old one looks way better! Can't shake the impression new one is just baby Range Rover...

[@VeyronBD]

It is, same platform and chassis, suspension etc just a new body and some specific changes.

[@GBIGBIGBI]

totally agree, the old looks so much cooler!

[@BikingChap]

Of course. It’s only similarity to the old one is it’s name. If I wanted to go off road I’d rather have a new Jimny than the new defender. 🤷‍♂️

[@raewambia33]

Truee

[@antontudor5724]

True !

[@harrybowsher3430]

Considering the age difference and the price, the old defender still does well

[@jamesmitchell6231]

The old defender is worth more then the new

[@yattonjunction]

Come back after 100000 miles and tell us which one broke down most!

[@johnlatsch9720]

If they would take the anti roll bar off the old one and let the axles flex it would do a lot better. Or unplug the wheel sensor on the new one. That would shut off the traction control and hill decent.

[@brycepaoli8531]

@@johnlatsch9720 My Landy doesn't even have anti roll bars (Its a 1988). Kind of sketchy when going around those roundabouts... Almost as if I'm in a rollercoaster! an old... rickety rollercoaster...

[@Shauryaaya]

@@brycepaoli8531 that's surely scary lol

[@lawsonjones2285]

40+ years difference in technology and let's be honest most people would still prefer the old one

[@soe_tv]

This man is spitting fax

[@modelreviews3705]

It's true I prefer the old defender 😁😊

[@thecremeegg]

No chance, they're HORRIBLE cars for anything other than going over rough ground. They're cramped inside, handle awfully and are incredibly slow. I don't get the love for them

[@soe_tv]

@@thecremeegg if u love Defender u don't care about those things 😒

[@lawsonjones2285]

@@thecremeegg you are right.... But people still love them

[@dtns4551]

I think the old Defender would fair better in long-term ownership and possible modifications. The new Defender has lots of electronics that could be expensive to fix later on.

[@chimei-tekinaneko8318]

there is way too much electronics, they just break at some random point and give ya a headache combined with a large repair bill.. modern cars in general should start to chill out with all the electronic crap and go back to just being "simple but sturdy".

[@keving8750]

the old defender has a ford engine. They break easy

[@Bobbystar50]

​@keving8750 that is because this has the puma engine from a transit. Swap it for a 200TDI 300TDI or TD5, and it would be much more reliable

[@autoapex1641]

"Land Rover turning owners into mechanics since 1948"

[@oakleydoakley4225]

So true👌

[@aaronadkins8234]

Oh, very clever. Never heard that one before...

[@atarvhegde5210]

Nice one. But are the old ones also unreliable?

[@FransJindo]

@@atarvhegde5210 especially the old ones

[@atarvhegde5210]

@@FransJindo Thanks for the info

[@VoloKinProject]

Moral of the story - if you can't drive don't buy the old one.

[@MarkWright1963]

Totally agree

[@trocpoc7563]

They just tried to look the old one like a rubbish. I think the gap is a bit shorter.

[@lcsighteken2248]

​@@trocpoc7563 The old one could have made that final course. I have driven sedans off-road in more difficult terrain. I don't agree with the outcome of this video. To get a better right turn radius, he could have moved to the left a bit to create enough space for the turn. I think these guys could have done a better job with the old defender.

[@leegroenewald6045]

Agreed! LOL...LR is working OVERTIME to convince people that this is a better 4x4 and for whats its worth, YES, it can be. Especially with someone who doesn't know how to drive off-road. With all the driver aids etc, helping one get unstuck or preventing one from getting...the new Defender has its merits... given. If you're a clueless weekend warrior...go nuts! But that is the last thing you need when out in the middle of nowhere! I can do the same with a Range Rover...doesn't make it a good choice for the purpose no matter how awesome it looks splashing through the water. First thing would be... don't take anything you can't fix yourself on the fly. (That includes one's vehicle and the first mistake with the new Defender). Second... If you can't drive, don't go! Ability, reliability and adaptability is crucial when far from help.( Anyone who thinks they will tackle Africa in this thing is going to be sorely mistaken. There are only two vehicles you'll find out here in the sun and in the outback of Australia etc... Land Cruisers, (the odd Patrol)and old Defenders... anything else is a death wish other side of a weekend away). No guesses who's gonna need a tow or a lift to the nearest village. If it'll let you get towed..wont be your choice either way.

[@joshuasimonangra9981]

This is just Bloody Lousy Driving.

[@stevedrake1965]

The new defender takes all the fun out of off roading The whole point of off roading is to have fun and hone your skills

[@petemiller519]

The Old Defender has solid axles, manual transfer case shift, little computer input, and is built to last. Not only that but it looks a hell of a lot better. I'll take the ol' Defender any time of the day.

[@andysibthorp4584]

Take both cars to africa for a year and give them a set of tools in case of repairs. Lets see which survives.

[@khailils446]

Very odd use case for the normal consumer

[@Shane-zx4ps]

Why not just buy a Toyota Land Cruiser and leave your tool at home ad you won’t need them

[@worldwidehiphop8843]

How many people take their defender to africa? Answer: no fucking one. Worst they ll see is a muddy field somewehre in europe and thats it. Like 99.9 % of all "off roaders

[@viralbarot3203]

@@worldwidehiphop8843 Most of our safaris here in Botswana use the land rover defender. So I am not sure what your talking about.

[@viralbarot3203]

@@ragingmill8088 I am from Botswana and most of the safaris here use defenders. The defender even managed to cross an empty river which was deep and full of sand.

[@jackalmuiz]

I'd still choose the old defender any day, anywhere.

[@modelfarmer8124]

Yes

[@Kassiusday]

Yea of course The short version of the old is so cute too !!! But which one is the more comfy ?

[@gromo2955]

same

[@sithmijayawardana9262]

This man is not like to old defender

[@jackalmuiz]

@@Kassiusday with the interior done properly, the old defender is still my preferable choice for comfort. It's both practical and comfy.

[@luissalgado8777]

Fair play: lets wait 40 years to find out how good is the new "defender"

[@indlovubill7100]

In 40 years the 'new' Defender will have been recycled into beer cans.

[@josefastboats5874]

@@indlovubill7100 And people will still be riding in and restoring the old Land Rovers LOL

[@Brato1986]

All the electronics will fail in some years, good when you are out in the bush.

[@timrains5011]

40?! Try 70.

[@rscosworthfan]

@@NJ-pt3oz means old model not old age

[@kingarthur5110]

Land Rover turned the Defender into a Discovery, the Discovery into a Range Rover and the Range Rover into a Bentley.

[@cosy1914]

The new defender is a better off road vehicle than the disco. Full stop.

[@LouLope]

20 years from now the old Defender is still running, while the new one is crushed and recycled with failed electronics and no factory support.

[@AaaaandAction]

Exactly my thoughts. Old series especially 1,2,3, etc is owner fixable in the field, this new SUV is just a competent modern car needing serious support network. You’re not comparing like for like and the target audience/buyer are completely different types.

[@catalinstavaru5355]

Steam locomotives are still running today :)

[@GenaF]

Exactly my view. They won't sell well second hand because nobody will want to touch all the electrics whereas LR owners traditionally have always worked on theirs so the new ones will sell to the country gents/gamekeepers/caravan pullers but those who spend their weekend doing mud runs at various courses around the U.K. the true LR enthusiasts who love going off-road, they may look at the new ones but they'll never get rid of their OG Defenders for a new 1.

[@koitorob]

@@catalinstavaru5355 Only a few...

[@rajivrsimon]

The future... foretold 😂

[@jakobkondera1023]

the old one is just a lot cooler isn’t it...

[@Dilbagh0210]

100%

[@AaxXxeE54]

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[@Mika-85]

And if they would have turned the bloody diff lock on it would also have gotten through those holes with ease. It's not a fair comparison. If they want to compare it the way people drive it they should have used diff lock on the old one. Anyone that does serious off-roading with an old Defender will have Diff lock on. Same as with the new one people will probably not turn diff lock on. This comparison is just so far from real world scenarios.. To me it seems Landrover sponsored the video to get more sales on the new Defender.

[@EngMecanica-wd9ed]

No. Its a garbage

[@georgedowns4034]

Nope- I much prefer the new one

[@lolpartyparrot]

Spoiler: the Defender won in all of the challenges.

[@atarvhegde5210]

New defender: I have got more tech to help off roading be safe and easy Meanwhile Richard Hammond: Still manages to crash it

[@judeairy]

“Hammond you idiot”

[@generalkweizr7091]

which defender?

[@atarvhegde5210]

@@judeairy HAMMOND!! YOU BLITHERING IDIOT!!!

[@MCA_from_CPT]

CLARKSON!!!

[@sk8punk318]

99.9% of owners of that new Defender will sadly never utilize all those cool off-road features it has. Being able to set the speed for going downhill is pretty cool, never seen that before.

[@yorrickcorreia1655]

The Toyota Land Cruiser is even better

[@MrLince-hr4of]

So sk8punk318 knows all 100% of the owners of the new Defender and ask them ALL personaly ! great work 👍👍👍

[@Car-crazy]

@@yorrickcorreia1655 I would agree. I actually do own a Brand New Land cruiser. It is a great rig

[@Elvis-mg6vb]

If Mat could actually drive the results may be different for the older vehicle. Plus, I think Mat is slightly bias towards the newer vehicle. Just saying ...

[@jerome4995]

His driving is a joke! And his bias was obvious.

[@sic22l]

Old one wasn't allowed to lock the diffs.

[@jhndijkman]

Mat is a joke. Errrrr, I mean plonker! Just saying. 😋

[@jerome4995]

@mrmarcus ! I can see where new technology can definitely help in traction and sensing wheel spin. However, when in a not very technical and you are in low range?? That sealed it.

[@youtoob8166]

If he didn't make the new defender look good, landrover wouldn't have paid him

[@FisheeC3]

The new defender beats the old one in every category, except for the most important one - Desirability.

[@johnny_bravo9990]

🙌

[@tonybaksh7597]

And durability. If you drive across sahara in the new defender it won't stand a chance . Even tho the old one is 20+ years I still respect it

[@shawtravis7384]

not quite - axle articulation is crucial off-road, not displayed by the new def

[@MarkoCoomo]

Desirability .. modability, coolness, price, accessory range, roadside fixability, less junk to go wrong, community ...

[@baller7387]

@Seamus McShamish I didn't see anything make believe about the tests in this video. You sound like a salty fanboy for the old Defender who can't accept that the new one is better in virtually every way off-road. If you can't believe that, feel free to watch the video again for empirical evidence that this is the case, lol

[@jamesnield]

Be interesting to see how many new defenders are still on the road in 20yrs time. Because most of the old ones will be.

[@victorvlog1940]

Mat: worried about damaging the car Also mat: resting feet on the dash and seat 🤡

[@KevinTalbotTV]

the real defender is obviously better off road in the real world!

[@aydenebert277]

Hey Kevin Talbot I watch your videos!

[@MarcusAntonius415]

Umm no. Did you watch the video?

[@eokwuanga]

As opposed to the simulation it was driven in in this video?

[@iqbalali5678]

Tyres make a BIG difference

[@Scarlet_Soul]

For off-roading you've got to expect the occasional knock which would you prefer to take off road

[@chrisdooley6468]

an old Defender drove me across the Sahara in Mauritania and did things that should’ve been impossible when I was young. There’ll never be anything greater imo

[@taurauross9576]

Wow!!..I envy that experience.. I'm keeping my old trusty defender.

[@MD-uu5nt]

Yeah... A TOYOTA is going to be much better in almost every area.

[@chrisdooley6468]

@@MD-uu5nt I agree but my experience was with Defenders the year I was there and the year I was in Mali. Toyota’s were all over too but that Defender we used never broke down that I remember and that was two decades ago lol. But the engineering abilities of the locals to repair stuff efficiently without a steady influx of parts was amazing.

[@Adityakumar-jm1jv]

Was anybody else angry when he kept his dirty foot on the seats and on the dashboard.

[@harryluteshi7487]

Well we would if it was the old one, who cares about the new one

[@sinuslebastian6366]

Aditya kumar +1

[@ensoelmeri3288]

@@harryluteshi7487 agreed the new one can go to hell

[@Pia-ho9dm]

@@ensoelmeri3288 what??

[@Pia-ho9dm]

🤯

[@Bruh845]

I own a ‘96 110 and I can tell you here, it’s an absolute joy. It is so far from perfect, which makes it even more perfect. I call mine “Herman”. I personally don’t like the new defender, they’ve made a proper off roader into a family SUV, full of electricity when landys were always supposed to be basic. It also shows how much bigger cars have got over the years.

[@marcoshernandez745]

I’d still have the old defender it just looks incredible

[@EleanorPeterson]

Yep. There's also the benefit of simplicity. In an out-of-the way place like the Australian outback or the African bundu, I'd feel a lot more confident trying to keep an old Defender running (with a hammer and spanner) than trying to cope with the new one and a blinking light on the dashboard above the diagnostic port: 'Unspecified System Failure: Return to Main Dealer For Encryption Code Reset.' Huh? 🤔

[@thomaslohr2864]

The old Defender looks like the James Bond baddies arrive, the new one looks like a soccer mom's new Dacia..

[@mulidubicus1473]

I thought it u said it

[@PrezCow]

You hit the nail on the head with that one

[@cristiandemirel1918]

it's incredible the new Defender managed to do half an hour of off-road driving without a check engine light popping out on the dashboard!

[@danhopkinson2811]

i wouldn't call that offroading

[@Clavinovaman]

Really? Any road test -from anywhere in the world - so far suggest that there are issues with the engine lights popping out on the dashboard?

[@josephndazi5863]

The TFL defender had a check emgine light after offroading. The new thing broke down on the first day out!!!

[@loganholmberg2295]

Check out TFLnow to see how their new Defender is going in Colorado....you won't be surprised.😅

[@danhopkinson2811]

My mate recently had one at a hot air balloon show. The plastic cheq plate thats supposed to support a person standing on it cracked when he put his body weight on his hand, he snapped the plastic trim off the roof where a roof rack mounts, snapped a bunch of interior parts and clips, broke the ash tray, pushed on the rear lights and heard plastic cracking......he said the whole thing is made of cheap brittle plastic. Its all creaky.

[@MChill111]

Well done on basing the review on only about 1/3 of the reasons we own/use (original) Defenders/Series. The rest of the time we want to know that they are cheap and easy to fix, with quick to bolt on/off parts and plenty of access. We then also want to know that we can chuck stuff in it like hay, feed bags, and mucky kit, and be happy rinsing it out with a hose rather than have to do a full valet. And then, last bit definitely not least: ANYONE who’s owned a modern Land Rover know that their electrics and computers are APPALLING! All those screens and soft touch buttons are great to look at, but I don’t know a single owner of a modern era Range Rover or Discovery who has had to return their car to the dealer multiple times for such issues. I loved my Rangey when it worked, but it averaged 3 or 4 service visits a year for electrics/loom etc. So, for the job my 90 does, you’ll never catch me buying one of the new versions.

[@long_view]

Considering there's around 70 years between the designs, it shows how incredible the old LandRover/Defender actually (still) is.

[@RandallSlick]

It was average 70 years ago, and slowly declined with age. That's what happens when you have a company unwilling to spend any money on R&D.

[@AlexNijv]

and way cooler

[@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20]

The old is 70 years old design only in looks. It has been technically completely revamped at least once and minor updates done countless times. Basically / technically / underpinnings wise the old defender is the is same car as Range Rover Classic, with a modern engine.

[@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20]

For example suspension, which is very important in off foading, was originally leaf springs based. After about 80's it has been coil springs and supported like in the first RR. Engines are modern ford, and land rover, etc.

[@irenelim5134]

The old Land Rover was 10 seconds slower cos Matt was the driver.

[@maus_boyv6842]

Exactly

[@awakhiwemaxmpofu1323]

I agree.. The Old Defender is and always will be The best

[@duncMAC150]

the car with the biggest turning circle lost its that simple and the old defender has bigger turning circle.

[@jody024]

Where the old one wins: Reliability and value.

[@a20axf]

And if maintained properly it’ll still be running after 50 years.

[@samueljohnclark]

With front and rear diff locks fitted (which are common accessories), the ‘old’ land rover would not have had ended up stuck with‘cross axels’!

[@eazy-EPB2020]

I thought the same

[@carguy3292]

Well land Rover didn't want that in the old one and fitted it to the new one to make it better than the old

[@i.k.91]

Ja but has traction control and the guy has it off. Should be on to see what can do cause TC helps the vehicle extremely well!

[@heathm5151]

Aesthetics: New Defender - 0 points. Old Defender - 10 points.

[@georgedowns4034]

Rly? Why? (Just curious)

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

Yeah he can have all of the points with the new one. Why are all the girls hanging around the old one?

[@heathm5151]

@@georgedowns4034 My eyes, they burn.

[@heathm5151]

@@georhodiumgeo9827 Because they are most often driven my handsome men, women or Vera.

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

@@heathm5151 I own a 94 D90 so you have made me smile so big you can see all 3 of my teeth. LOL

[@nochops1781]

The new defender is school run junk. Old defender every time.

[@garthrichert5256]

You have found the truth.

[@killianhaugh3819]

Take off your nostalgia glasses and realise that its evolution and the defender needed it

[@nochops1781]

@@killianhaugh3819 The defender is supposed to be farm utility vehicle, update it by all means. The new model is just a grocery getter and there are already dozens of those available so what's the point of producing another.

[@marciliojunior4919]

@@killianhaugh3819 People Just dont like the look of the new defender and how unreliable it is. If Land Rover pulled the Gwagen card and made the new generation identical to the old one no one would complain

[@mariahrusca7347]

Yes! some one understands!

[@Blueboy1175]

Anyway this looked like a show trying to promote the new defender by making the old defender look bad on purpose.

[@De_Real_Dude]

It was so obvious... They actually stuck an automatic driver in a manual car

[@4wdflying]

Agree, you could easily devise some tests the old one could win involving more ground clearance and tow a trailer with at lest two tons on it - and some sheep in the back. Then the price difference.. not going to appeal to the old core market who want a working vehicle to throw mucky stuff in the back.

[@trocpoc7563]

Exactly

[@leegroenewald6045]

The driver aids are brilliant in a pinch when off-roading, but far from necessary when over-landing through Africa. It just gives more clueless wannabe's the motivation they need to get themselves and others into a lot of trouble.

[@amateurtorque6709]

@Martin Svensson does having the centre diff locked not mean that all four wheels should rotate at the same speed?

[@HeliRy]

People smile when they see an old Defender. No one smiles at the new one. They only laugh.

[@someinternetdude4159]

When your new one breaks down, you tow it with an old one.

[@markone4191]

awesome!

[@naufalkeandrerizqulloh3343]

when the old one breaks down, you tow it with a toyota land cruiser

[@someinternetdude4159]

@@naufalkeandrerizqulloh3343 I also like the old Land Cruisers. Good cars.

[@farvacarramrod3672]

That aint no shit. TFL tested one... they have been through 3 now all of them breaking down with electrical issues.

[@mattyp80]

This is the subject skirted over by this review: when you do get a breakdown with the old one in the middle of nowhere, you can get out and fix it there without having to have a degree in electrical engineering! An addendum: spoke with my brother this weekend and were discussing this very topic (he works for Jag/LR) and apparently the testing for reliability is incredibly rigorous, finding and solving any issues it might have had, making it as reliable as the old one! That said, if something does happen it will still be more difficult to fix in the middle of nowhere!

[@chrisashwin8548]

Let's face it 99% of new defenders sold will never see off the road. So it will be a status symbol on the school run. 99% of owners will have no idea how to engage half of those features.

[@WouterB76]

Falls test , next time arrange somebody who's got terrain driving skills.

[@georhodiumgeo9827]

Yeah, this driver reminds me of the guy that gets stuck in a blanket on the Snuggie commercial, LOL I love it. I don’t know anybody that wheels any Defender with the sway bars still engaged. I’m a Defender owner and I can tell you any time you mention wheeling there is a 20min conversation about wheel articulation headed your way. I just hope they got paid for this.

[@joshw8180]

It would only be fair if they got some people that know what they are doing

[@ivanidea1190]

Agreed...

[@ryanwaugh1]

He was so biased. Even the wheel travel thing he tried to make it a draw 🤣

[@EnglishwithMrSam]

Which means, the old one takes a lot of skills and sweat of the driver whereas the new one does the job itself. Am I wrong?

[@ie1961]

I had a 1993 110" Defender - I'd go over these obstacles without even thinking.

[@emreisikyildiz]

new defender is too digital and posh for it's own good..a more "jimmy" approach would fit it it better. They completely missed the point why old defender was a legend.

[@ApothecaryTerry]

Exactly- they tried to make it the most capable off roader, but that was never the whole point of a Defender even though it was very capable. The new one is too similar to a Disco in purpose.

[@kaliko70]

Why do all the writers say, "something remotely close to what made the classic Defender great simply could not float in today's market. There are just too many restrictions and constraints in place regarding emissions and safety, with some of them responsible for taking the old Defender out of the picture in the first place"? This can't be true, at least in the US. I see brand new Jeep Wranglers of all types all over the place here, both as private and rental vehicles. They look more like my Series IIA than the latest Defender and don't appear to have any more in the way of "safety" than the original Defenders. Surely it's a specious argument, right?

[@ApothecaryTerry]

​@@kaliko70 The old Defender became illegal in the US in 1997 due to its poor safety- you don't want to be in a crash involving one, whether you're in the Defender or being hit by one. Most of the safety kit on the new one is mandatory in at least 1 of its major markets (I'm assuming Europe and US). As for all the other electronics, they can presumably mostly be turned off. That said, it could be more rugged (i.e. less luxurious) and manual...I suspect what most of us really wanted was a big brother to the new Jimny.

[@mauritsvw]

@@kaliko70 The simple truth is that Land Rover know they can make more money out of soccer mums than adventurers. Nothing to do with restrictions and constraints, that's just a convenient excuse.

[@ApothecaryTerry]

@ Not entirely untrue...I don't want to get hit by any car. Old Defenders really don't do well in crashes though- they're fine if they just roll slowly while off road but if you're hitting a barrier at speed you're safer in a Smart car (but look stupid).

[@nicolascorre1er]

I had to stop halfway through. I live in the Amazon Forest, 70 to 95% of humidity, you don't want that electronic to fail big time in those harsh conditions when you're 200kms of muddy roads away from the first mechanic. The og Defender was meant to overcome that. The soul is lost.

[@valentinolupi1]

New defender: more technologically advanced, old defender: absolutely no advanced technology but way cooler and fun. I'd take the old one without doubt

[@nickb5391]

me too, less things to go wrong too

[@aliadel3290]

Better looking too.

[@Tom-gt6qp]

this should be called: "new discovery VS real defender"

[@wiktor4040]

Let’s all be honest, the old one is much nicer looking.

[@atarvhegde5210]

Yes

[@TheoDaJunk]

Tbh it looks like a train with wheels No hate guys just my opinion

[@xali2008]

the old Defender looks like it means business.

[@nexu2]

And yet everyone would still have the old one.

[@saatviktyagi4800]

It's only u👍

[@uww.v]

@@saatviktyagi4800 yeah the like ratio proves your point!

[@charlesdickerson1858]

And proof that the old Defender lovers can't be swayed and don't really care about the capabilities. Change is good.

[@nissanpatrol8950]

@@charlesdickerson1858 this was light off roading... take both to some trails in australia and see which does better

[@charlesdickerson1858]

@@nissanpatrol8950 Statistically speaking, If the new Defender did better in the "light off road" it will still do better in Australia. If the old Defender cannot handle the light off road setting then it won't do much better in tougher conditions (Without major upgrades of course).

[@miguelcvidal]

That's not a proper offroad test. Offroading is about passing obstacles, not a race. Take them to mud, water and rocks and then we'll see.

[@phillipjswanepoel8044]

And then stacked for new. 1) need to run visa versa also. 2) new some slots, clearly not as smooth as old's road. 3) know turning circle, so make sure tree circle need to be small to allow new to win. 4) 5)................

[@gc2234]

Here you go then... kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnvXqpWqhaiaidE

[@miguelcvidal]

@@gc2234 much better but I'm expecting a harder test.

[@airport4173]

when you've bought a landrover defender the ONLY REAL TOOL is YOU.

[@ButchE30M3S14]

Why the hell would you put the old Defender in low gear for that stupid course...Also that old Defender has traction control. Just a big, paid ad for the new defender...

[@slooriginal1727]

Yes

[@georgedowns4034]

Jeez calm down

[@onetonlandrover]

The old one had traction control turned off, which is why it couldn't complete the last obstacle. It would have sailed through with it on.

[@lazomutiz6924]

Do you know how to drive a manual car mate😂😂😂

[@ruandevilliers8946]

@@onetonlandrover you cant turn it off on the 'Puma'... unless they pulled the TC fuse🤕

[@mythosim1031]

The old looks like a military vehicle,and the new like barbie' s new toy!

[@blessedkamayou7790]

My choice still remain...OLD DEFENDER.

[@ikhoonyejelem2967]

Why?

[@NkwasiasemAkwakwa]

@@ikhoonyejelem2967 off roading is not about speed , let's wait 10 -15 years from now and do the charlenge again , let's see how the new one holds up !!!

[@APlayer7967]

Yea why new jeep can't go wild and muddy?. Old Defender can go anywhere

[@christianm2026]

@@ikhoonyejelem2967 the old one is so much cooler

[@dv2045]

@@christianm2026 they should have redone the Defender with the old look. Sure winner but instead they did a Evoque with Defender logo

[@TheSussexpillbox]

I'd like to see each model used by the British army for 6 months and return. The ruggedness and utilitarian nature of the old Defender is why it was successful. The new Defender, although capable, is a sports SUV. The old Defender is a drivers vehicle, where you are connected to the experience, not detached and letting the vehicle drive for you.

[@jbhk7977]

This is not a test. Go off road, but this time for real.

[@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg]

Yeah... this course was pretty specifically designed to fail the old Defender and play to the strengths of the new one. LR probably had a hand in producing the video. There are plenty of videos out already of the new Defender getting stuck or not performing quite as well under real-world offroad conditions.

[@Keoponloeu]

@@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg have you driven it yet before you complain?

[@Keoponloeu]

@@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg if the old defender is a they say very capable. I’m sure it would go over everything. Just say that you hate how the new one looks.

[@ranichso735]

Exactly. I have been competing across Salisbury Plain in a Series One against all sorts of such modern all wheel drives and the Series One just keeps going but over the course the electronics never survived.

[@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg]

@@Keoponloeu The new one is quite good at what it was built for, but it's just not going to be as good as the original in many ways. Nothing is going to 'go over everything' and both vehicles have strengths and weaknesses. It's just that this particular course was designed to make the new version look good, under the guise of a 'fair' test. And as I said, there are already quite a few videos out already showing the new one having difficulty in places that older Defenders were getting through more easily. And there are some showing the new traction control system doing things an older vehicle couldn't do. But you cannot say that the new Defender is as rugged and versatile as the old one, and those are qualities which count above all to many people. How are all those fancy electronics going to do while fording water up to it's window line? In a few years when the warranty disappears, is your local mechanic going to be able to pull it apart and fix it no problem for reasonable money? And for that matter, what if you need to repair something in the field? Are you going to be able to get home with a basic tool kit? The new Defender is a fine vehicle for people who want a fun offroad toy to play around with for a few years -- and that's fine. The old one is an investment that will continue to pay dividends well into the future. We can't pretend one is actually replacing the other though.

[@AngelsLoveErbil]

The problem here is Mat trying to belittle Manuals and not going wild with offroaders.

[@BikingChap]

The problem here is that any broadcaster that relies on the manufacturers to supply them with vehicles to test is never going to be in the least bit critical of their latest machine.

[@koitorob]

No, the problem here is Mat is a PILLOCK!

[@BikingChap]

@@koitorob He’s probably just a normal guy trying to make a buck but everyone thinks they have to be ‘funny’ and ‘entertaining’. Top Gear has a lot to answer for.

[@brakenoodle105]

It's about long term ability, reliability and ruggedness not driving the latest iPhone, which WILL electronically fail.

[@loganholmberg2295]

Check out TFLnow to see how their new Defender is going in Colorado....you won't be surprised.😅

[@Bobbystar50]

Get and older landy like a 90 or 110 before the defender, with a 200TDI or 300TDI or TD5, then it will last much longer than the new defender. Add some air lockers and it will be more capable. Add some dislocation cones and a disconnecting anti roll bar, and youll have a much better truck with lots more suspension range. Old land rover could also have done alot of the obstacles in 3rd gear low box fir more speed...

[@warunapinnagoda2858]

Old one is gold 🔥

[@Chocosunned]

am i the only one who feels like this is a paid review?! #disappointed Ps: I've driven new defender and I still like the old one better .

[@Mojoke]

paid review to trash the old car. It doesn't demonstrate how much better the new car is,. it shows what an idiot and a bad driver the reviewer is.

[@leegroenewald6045]

They are all bias....

[@DrivenHard]

THis whole channel is a PAID review, that is why they have lost all credibility in the journalism world.

[@althafrafianto]

@@DrivenHard source?

[@DrivenHard]

@@althafrafianto its widely known and talked about in the automotive journalism community. Lots of the other big names journalists have said this. Tfl for one just talked about it recently.

[@grgr6720]

Mat is like: It's not my car who cares if it breaks.

[@rudranshakulwar1429]

Old one is still the father and king. Because at this age competition like this is just 🔥🔥

[@modelreviews3705]

I love the old defender because it's better and better looking than a FREELANDER look alike

[@qaisfiaz4925]

This wasn’t a comparison it was an advert 😡. You’ve let yourself down Matt! Don’t try and pull the wool over our eyes. Take some reality lessons from Clarkson!!!!

[@Nibbix1313]

Exactly

[@pelina72]

This add sounds so fake...

[@stephenpupe8553]

If it wasn't broke why fix it. This doesn't even deserve the defender title.

[@punithtamasha200]

@@pelina72 yeah..

[@luke78333]

It's not even that well disguised. Some kind of cash for comments going on here.

[@JackJarman]

Such a shame that the cars weren't on similar tyres. Makes a massive difference

[@millomweb]

The older Def looked better shod.

[@dbclass4075]

Perhaps those are the default tires that comes with the car? Granted, the old Defender's tires isn't necessarily brand new, but uses the same specification.

[@millomweb]

@@dbclass4075 If one is buying a 4x4 for a reason, it's fair to specify tyres for that same purpose too ! I suspect many are bought by the ignorant, perhaps for looks or size rather than capabilities. On that bass, it wouldn't be good for suppliers to default to full off-road tyres !

[@dbclass4075]

@@millomweb Exactly. Due to unpredictability of the users many tires of off-roaders tend to be a compromise between street, and off-road.

[@millomweb]

@@dbclass4075 I wouldn't even say that ! I see many with pretty much road tyres - they might be a harder rubber or more durable but the tread pattern looks deffo for the road - to cut down road noise. Many of the off-road videos, I see hybrid tyres with perhaps just under a quarter of the vehicles having true off-road tyres. Even then, they're off-road car tyres and not proper off-road tyres which are not designed for on-road use!

[@ivnxnvi]

8:42 This explained everything... I wish you another 10 millions subscribers ;)))

[@NathanAlderGigaBITNate]

I feel like Matt isn’t rly a car guy anymore, Matt seems happy to have everything automated, assistances everywhere instead of the pure manual!

[@gregoryg.402]

there is a time in every mans life...

[@platinumguitar]

Define a "car guy"? Is someone not a car guy if he doesn't always want to drive a manual, without any driver aids, or airbags, or a seatbelt, or lane assist, or automatic collision detection? Of course there's a case to be made about automating the tedious things about a car. Especially one that isn't a sports car. Have you driven an old Defender? I have. It's not fun. The gearbox is really not fun. Removing that part of the experience is only a positive. A manual in a car can be fun, sure, not in the least in a manual 911, but with new cars comes tech that undeniable makes old cars look, well, old.

[@bendover-bz4bc]

I hate this new generation of car community. Bunch of wannabe petroheads who try to devalue every electronics to gain attention. If you are so fond of old classics then go drive vinage cars on indian roads in peak summer.

[@advaittilak614]

Hill decent control is technically hitting the brakes so what's the point! -_-

[@Fred_P]

And on top of that, the new Defender went across the grooves in the ground which slowed it down even more, so it's another unfair advantage.

[@robertjusic9097]

Its bullshit from CarWow made to promote the new defender. Wonder how much they have been paid for the new one to beat the old one

[@bobybob2331]

To promote "better" useless tech...

[@BobbyDazzler888]

No its not. Uses transmission gear and engine breaking.

[@benswift2566]

@@BobbyDazzler888 the brake lights are on 🤔

[@alastairross9169]

Remember back in the day when defenders didn’t cost half a house

[@ACURACALABAR11]

. Im pretty sure back in the day you still have to be in a good position financially to buy one mate. How much was for a house? And how much was for the defender? when bob marley bought his it was the only one in jamaica at the time.

[@ricchburglar]

@@ACURACALABAR11 you are a wise man. I am proud of you.

[@krys8494]

Rich Burglar 😂😂😂

[@the80386]

Alastair Ross - Me neither (once you account for the cost of ownership)

[@ViveSemelBeneVivere]

@@ACURACALABAR11 traditional Defenders are _appreciating_ in value. Other than rare sport cars, that doesn't happen.

[@theidahoan1240]

The defender is my dream car, wasn't sure about the new design and seeing them side by side, Id still take the old one. Its a true landrover.

[@pasinduthilakarathna1706]

This is an advertistment for the new defender .That is all I've got after watching this.Still my favourite is old one .Old is Gold

[@vanderz1012]

Buy an old one, put some money into it: lockers, a lift with some other gear and you'll do better than the old one for much cheaper still

[@soulz2422]

@@vanderz1012 true but new is fine tho not bad

[@vanderz1012]

@@soulz2422 the only problem I have is you'll pay through your arse for one and given the price of old Defenders, its a lot more cost effective and reliable

[@soulz2422]

@@vanderz1012 lol if i would ever have to get an land rover i would just get an nissan patrol or land cruiser they are the same price way more luxurious then this new land rover even with the old one i would get an land cruiser

[@dominikbibic5394]

Yep,you just buy old defender,put some AT or MT tires,rear locker,or front and 2 inch lift and it will be a lot more capable than new defender but still much cheaper

[@Ervin2v]

2 things I learned from this video: The new Defender is not a Defender Matt hates driving manual.

[@ZachBrimhall]

🤣

[@RDJ2]

@Unintended Consequences A Discovery in disguise.

[@stevewilliams587]

Demonstrating that the driver who can't drive looses.

[@matthewp9015]

I think what it shows is that the new Defender can still perform better than the old model without needing to be driven by an expert.

[@JHsadler]

@@matthewp9015 instead, it requires on complex electronics, which is failing on brand new Defenders already, let alone ageing ones. Traction control is useless when it stops working, which it will.

[@ensoelmeri3288]

agreed

[@fabianm2819]

exactly. I've had my licence literally a year and my clutch control is better than his. he's purposefully driving like a tool

[@ensoelmeri3288]

@@fabianm2819 I have only drive like 10 times and my clutch control is better then him too 😂

[@muhdalamin3585]

The old Defender is actually a really sturdy and solid car

[@johnlummis5119]

irrespective of what wins the challenges, the older one looks better and will be easier to fix in the real world when the new one's electrics break down in the jungle or desert

[@ApothecaryTerry]

I feel like this is why everyone in the jungle or desert buys a Land Cruiser instead, easy to fix but rarely breaks anyway. Land Rover seem to confuse "rarely breaks" with "rarely brakes".

[@nathanwabre]

And for sure the old one will need to be fixed 🤣

[@richardthomas6890]

The review wasn’t fair to the old Landy and as someone that uses the old defender I wouldn’t go out and buy the new imitation as it’s not been designed as a work horse, And at £56k what land manager could afford it Land Rover have designed themselves another Chelsea tractor for the London set. Shame

[@millomweb]

Neither of these vehicles is a Land Rover. A Land Rover has many options: doors, roof, windscreen, electric welder, winch, circular saw, crane.

[@christianmagno984]

@Drink Water Your are s..t!

[@christianmagno984]

@Drink Water To be fair you have no idea! I bet that you live in a dog box. Anyway " Old " Defender a real 4×4, workhorse, tourer! New electroplastic a city car to show off when yammy mammy bring kids at Scholl and to go at the shopping center until the computer says no...

[@millomweb]

@Drink Water Where are you based? Not all farming is vastly profitable !

[@millomweb]

@Drink Water Maybe the farms around you are a lot better off than those around me.

[@atol_pp6118]

For the second challenge, the Old defender just use its engine. The second use the brakes. ( electronic use brakes...)

[@abdelhakim1678]

no it does not

[@jerome4995]

@@abdelhakim1678 yes Yes it does

[@lunseren]

This challenge but with ROCK CRAWLING.

[@KissTheGreat]

All this has done is proven that Mat can’t drive off road.

[@lochrandoherty9218]

He's not too bad.

[@cameronharris-aldred9594]

@@lochrandoherty9218, on an off-road playground. Get him in some real-world off-roading and the cars will probably drive better without him in them!

[@terryanthony8200]

Try it into the heart of Borneo

[@DavidKnowles0]

Which just proves how good the new one is, he can't drive off road and yet in the new defender he is able to do all the tasks why the old one couldn't do the last one.

[@KissTheGreat]

@@DavidKnowles0 doesn’t prove it’s more capable just that it’s idiot proof 😆

[@kerimsalihovic3132]

Really just ruining the clutch and everything else on the old one. No need to get it into low gears and just rew the hell out of it. It is.made to go SLOW in LOW GEARS and not to race. Just the diff lock in 4H would pass everythin on the course with ease. Disspointed in the driving tbh not the cars fault

[@elvislibietis3045]

ok boomer

[@kerimsalihovic3132]

@@elvislibietis3045 Just saying the facts. I owned many off roaders (G class, Nissan Patrol, Suzuki Vitara a Series III ) and now a Defender 90 and know what I'm talking about

[@BoskiM]

@@elvislibietis3045 do you even own any car?

[@jamesdecker4166]

@@elvislibietis3045 Stfu ur probably like 13

[@JontteBack]

Agree. This was down to driving skill, and lack there of, in the proper Defender. My 2.5 NA would laugh it’s way around that track.

[@deldridg]

For *real offroading*, less tech almost always translates to greater reliability. A touch of water in the wrong circuit and your whole family could be a goner. Having driven many thousands of kms in remote parts of Australia with my family, I trust only vehicles that can be repaired on the run. Entertaining none the less - if not somewhat farcical! :-)

[@PrivacyEnt]

cant you just mod the car so all circuits are in waterproof box

[@willc5911]

@@nihalreddy4417 that is literally the comment of someone who has only driven a car though no more than a puddle on the road.

[@Γιάννης-ξ8μ]

@@willc5911 nonsense. On specs it seems the New Defender is more capable off roader and is better with dealing water. But realistically the old defender has less stuff to go wrong and is easier to repair in case something eventually goes wrong. If you want to travel all of the time and explore all places and want something easy to repair: Old Defender If you're like me that will travel once every 6 months at holidays to somewhere nice and actually want to go offroad and have fun and rest days use it as a daily driver with many features: New Defender.

[@georgechilman6250]

Difference is that the old one will keep on going and the new one will break down after a couple of months 😂

[@pistonhedd]

😆

[@johnpirie3800]

I'd still take the old one against the new one, all day long. Its instantly recognisable, quintessentially British and the best 4 x4 , not by far, but ever. In my opinion of course. Everyone stay safe.

[@pijusPP]

That was just an ad for that stupid new defender😐🤦

[@beaviccoon470]

You mean the absolutely superb new DEFENDER.😂😂

[@pijusPP]

@@beaviccoon470 😂😂

[@zacle3985]

Matt, race the last 3 generations of the Porsche turbo s

[@car-enthusiast3141]

@Cristian Selfa but as usual the new one would win easily except the break test.. I think.

[@jaisal_mehrok]

That would be epic

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[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Eh, I don't care. Everyone knows what will happen, unless you just wanna see it happen.

[@Kjca_1998]

You can have all the fancy electronics and horsepower in the world, if I pull up next to one of these in my TD5, I’m still looking down my nose at it! 🤣

[@paulog8813]

When using the Hill Decend Control you are actually using the brakes, so you cheated.

[@ekxxx123]

He clearly didnt.

[@owenathanael]

@@ekxxx123 The HDC system uses the brakes

[@thatdoocoo5658]

But did HE? tap the brakes?

[@Kensclassics]

@@ekxxx123 the computer automatically applies the brakes when needed in the new car, whereas in the older car the driver was not allowed to apply the brakes clearly the new car is made for people who have no off road skills, an 8 year old child could off road it,

[@jonesracingteam9782]

Agreed

[@MatrixDiscovery]

Old one: Manly with a square off jaw. New one: A 4x4 that gets you to Starbucks.

[@robc8593]

Don't mock, those speed bumps can be vicious...

[@generalkweizr7091]

The Land rover is flat just like the earth

[@heneedsomemilk2877]

Lol

[@MatrixDiscovery]

@@generalkweizr7091 oh wow another fake KZbin CIA fake account attacking me. Oh gee.

[@axel3895]

Exactly how things should be.

[@seanflynn8467]

I’d personally prefer the older Land Rover, there’s really not too much in it except the price, plus the older Land Rover is more practical when it comes to replacing parts, big respect for both vehicles though

[@desertrover]

For real remote offroad Expedition the old one is the Choice, the older the better, the less electronics the better

[@ASuperBambi]

My only issue with the new defender is that it is a car that relies on electronics, made by land rover. And after dealing with electrical issues constantly on the disco 2 and 3, along with a plethora of mechanical failures I'm worried this car will be the same

[@markc6714]

Yeh when you break down in the middle of nowhere all those electronics leave you with a pile of junk that needs towing

[@andydavis7254]

@@markc6714 That’s when you bring out the 25 year old Land Cruiser 😀

[@markc6714]

@@andydavis7254 absolutely

[@thomasmn66]

I've had two disco 2s and now a disco 4, never an issue over a 13 years ownership in total.

[@markc6714]

@@thomasmn66 well maybe one day in the future you'll start the engine and even take it out of the garage 🤣🤣🤣

[@johnnydebeer9409]

Yes the world needed another soccer moms car. The days of landrover being a true off-road are now past

[@BikingChap]

Sadly they’ll make what sells. You only have to look at the tiresomely common SUVs and the death of the saloon to be saddened at what the market is buying currently. This gin palace will sell well but not to folk who need to use them as a rugged tool off road I suspect.

[@koitorob]

@@BikingChap Yes, true. BUT they have wiped out a complete market that the 'go anywhere throw what you like in the back' buyers will now have to look elsewhere for. STUPID DECISION and i hope it bites them in the arse!

[@BikingChap]

@@koitorob I don’t disagree. I know all all the journos were saying ‘how will they satisfy the purists?’ Clearly by just giving them the finger. Honestly the current Jimny is more in keeping with the spirit of the defender. If Suzuki had design in the option of a lazy 2 litre or used fiat 1.6 tdi it would be even better.

[@Boccherini64]

I suppose you're entitled to your opinion.

[@BikingChap]

@Aditya Chakrabarti true, and we got this. 🤷‍♂️

[@edgebe]

New Defender looks like City Boy Toy., Daimler didn’t make that mistake with model g...pnuematic springs and all that electronics, prime to failure in worst possible Moment...I go for Bollinger