New Zealand rugby pundits react to the Springbok injury crisis | The Breakdown

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[@redhowell7856]

Hey there panel - I respect and I love your contributions but there's no smoke and mirrors here. It's simple really: Boks have 6 guaranteed games before a potential QF play-off. You are all highly knowledgeable pundits so you well know the risk of injuries in the 6 weeks ahead (see eg. Ntamack + V Poortvliet). Ergo: RassNaber name a fully fit in form squad and keep Pollard and Am squarely in frame as potential backline replacements under appropriate player management for if / when we lose players. The only snafoo here was Nienaber's use of the word "de-select" - clumsy and unnecessary. RassNaber are disruptors and calculated risk takers and they think ahead - Case in point: Acquiring Jean Kleyn and see how brilliant that was with Lood's unavailability. We'll be fine and we're set up for what may / could / will probably happen. Go Boks!

[@bryanantolik9900]

100%, Jacque has been pretty candid and answered all the questions. No spooks here.

[@struesbob7493]

Well said boet

[@redhowell7856]

Thanks Swaer@@struesbob7493

[@DirtyDawgSailing]

Bang on!

[@jtp5144]

Not this time around pal

[@michielgeldenhuys2116]

The coaching team explained that in 2011, the Springboks carried too many injured players in the, then 31 man squad. So much so, that at one stage, they only had 17 players training. They picked experienced guys and big names, but they couldn’t do anything. Not even in training to help prepare the available guys. They named these fit 33 as the squad so that they, as a group, can prepare to the best of their ability. I believe Pollard and Am will eventually be ready, and don’t think anyone is trying to keep that a secret. They also explained the 4 scrum halves, as a way to have two full teams train against each other. Again, as a way to best prepare those playing whichever next game. Only Jaden and Cobus are specialists 9’s as Faf and Grant both can play other positions. I agree that there are no mind games. Just a leadership group that understands what their players need in order to prepare to the best of their ability. Good luck to the AB’s, you guys are once again coming in Hot! We have our work cut out for us, but we’ll give it 100%! Such an exciting tournament! Let’s go Bokke

[@mthunziphakathi4215]

Jaden can play fly half as well.

[@redhowell7856]

Well said !

[@diepadda]

Brilliant explanation 👍🏽

[@gideonvanriet8906]

Well, this video aged like milk. Lol

[@christosnyman6386]

Keep dismissing and disrespecting the Boks. Just like 1995 and 2019. We are ok with that. 😊

[@patrickchilds2987]

But they didnt dismiss or disrespect the Boks in the content. You introduced this Bok underdog narrative yourself, no one else did . Why would you do that ?

[@jonathanmyburgh4140]

its gonna take u another how many years... lol

[@msihlpat717]

​@@jonathanmyburgh4140Well, looking at it, 1995, 2007, 2019. We might just skip only 2023. How many titles your own country holds btw?

[@frankbunce]

@@msihlpat717Boks have won 6 of their last 30 tests against NZ. Disgraceful. Only Bok fans hang on every RWC win.

[@youngsimba6714]

​@@jonathanmyburgh4140we wait 12 years at most all blacks 24 if I am correct right?

[@stevedavidson666]

I sincerely believe that Rassie will eventually go down as one of, if not the best, rugby player/coach/managers the world has ever seen. The Boks may not win the RWC but they'll be very hard to beat thanks to his - and of course Jacques - fantastic leadership. I also strongly believe that his - and South Africa's - input to the whole rugby world has already been positively immense and the game will hopefully grow, as long as the English and (sorry guys) NZ influence is reduced. For example the letting off of Farrell is disgraceful (and I support Saracens!) and Steward previously (and noting his yellow for a ridiculous 'tackle' last Saturday which many poms are trying to say was the wing trying to kick him in the head!) which has brought so much harm to the game.

[@tiaancloete7301]

If the Boks can keep playing like they did last night they will indeed be hard to beat. Even France and Ireland had to dig deep last year to keep them down, a bok team in world cup final form is very dangerous.

[@tiaancloete7301]

Interesting to hear what you guys have to say about the 35 - 7 result last night...

[@GilbertMay]

😂😂😂

[@lovedlover2667]

😂😂😂🎉

[@kierontreas5971]

Boks living rent free in this panel's head lmao

[@hermankern3939]

😂Caption of the day......

[@diepadda]

There is no mind games. It’s simple - there is a return to play protocol after injury and the injured players are not available and not ready, and so are not in the main 33. They are giving other players minutes which is exactly what you want. It’s all simple and straight forward - there is no conspiracy but if someone gets injured then you can bring in a standby player.

[@christoduplessis8177]

Its not games, if you understand the history of the Boks with injured players at the world cup you'd understand. Just go back to 99.

[@dutoitdeetlefs931]

If it's a mind game, it obviously works, looking at your reactions😂

[@kierontreas5971]

Legit 😂

[@pauljansen6650]

Lol

[@mjribes]

4 scrummies and 1 flyhalf just blows my mind. But in Rassie/Nienaber we trust

[@mariusmarais9750]

Do not fear, their is acctually 4 Scrummies and 4 Flyhalfs that knows both the styles Rather worrie what France is going to do now.

[@joswan4719]

“We”….. you mean you.

[@mjribes]

@@joswan4719 Seems I mean every South Africa except for you and your ilk.

[@busisiwetshetu3036]

@@joswan4719well i also trust Rassie!

[@rorysullivan4913]

Amazing how everyone likes to nail SA rugby. May just work for the Boks. Looking forward to RWC and hoping to see Aussies come good under Eddie. Bok supporter.

[@timmado8441]

This show talks about all teams not just the boks

[@frankbunce]

You’ll need your usual piss easy draw. Unlikely this time round.

[@tiaancloete7301]

Piss easy draw you say? ask nz if Sa is a piss easy draw after last night...@@frankbunce

[@frankbunce]

@@tiaancloete7301 dead rubber. NZ traditionally struggle with dead rubbers. Hong Kong Bledisloe’s, 1999 3/4th playoff vs Boks. When a game is on the line, they step up. Hence why they’ve won 25 of their last 33 tests vs SA.

[@devonsolomon4153]

@@frankbunce Here’s a Stat for you about stepping up when SA make a final in a WC we win idiot we don’t choke can the same be said about NZ now go cry some more junior!

[@Epicsportfix]

The disrespect towards a two time world championship nation is just disrespectful

[@LittleBigMediaCo]

Has Kirwin ever opened his mouth without putting his foot in it? Let's not forget that he led the charge for the break-up of southern hemisphere Super Rugby so hat New Zealand could align themselves with Japanese money ... and look at how that's worked out for the level of competition NZ players test themselves against on a weekly basis, the money coming in, the (poor) television reach of the southern hemisphere replacement competition minus the South African teams ... Kirwin's anti-South Africa personal agenda is costing NZ rugby big money and big rugby development potential. When are they going to put a gag on him?

[@gertvanniekerk46]

Yours Always a Brilliant program! Of all the wars we fought, The 3 Anglo Boer Wars, Germany WW 1 & WW2, Korea and Angolan, those against the All Blacks stays those for which we prepare with everything we have-Super fitness, cunning, spying, DECEPTION, Talent, Decoys, crying when we lose, Biltong and KWV Brandy-Figured which team I Support and Pray FOR????

[@raywne1]

AB should be worried about France in the pool stages.

[@deanthechamp5669]

Is Bryce Lawrence going to be there?

[@robroy8485]

They are scrum “halves” don’t forget, so South Africa 🇿🇦 needed to take 4 of them if they are actually only needing the 2😜

[@Karma-qt4ji]

Dad joke for the win!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@GoldenGoalposts]

This is all noise, Springboks depth is amazing and they'll be absolutely fine

[@speak_your_truth.]

At 13? Really? Name them.

[@GoldenGoalposts]

@@speak_your_truth. Damian de allande, Jesse Kriel and possible Esterhuizen and Willemse

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@GoldenGoalposts Even Moodie. That kid is determined to play in the first team!

[@doppies2000]

the Panel is overthinking this !

[@rylanhartze7914]

Aged like milk

[@Ausin204]

he's like a legend

[@ansiebam2967]

Quickly look at last nights match 25 aug SA vs NZ in england. Bokke bo!!!!!!!

[@tsurumichan]

Anti-Bok brigade boiling up......

[@danielf4503]

SA vs AB should be a show case for Rugby Union- a Barbarian tyoe game as agreed by both parties

[@Wolf-hh4rv]

We also thought there’s a game going on. But no the squad will not be changed without injury. Crazy but true.

[@benvisagie8844]

So after the ABvs Springbok game last night, the injured players are not gonna make us loose the WC, but will surely help us to win it. But no crIsis guys, sorry…..

[@renewablefuelsanalyst8263]

Its quite simple. The players in question (Pollard and Am) are looking promising with recovering from injury but its senseless to name them in the squad because something can affect their recovery process and now you have wasted 2 spots for 2 fully fit players. Its too risky. By leaving them out, they can bring them in later. Its just simple risk management! Intelligent!

[@peacefulheart1431]

Mind games are part of the game & within the rules....no red card this time 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@rivaldodebruin3774]

Uhmm, I think SA had to name their squad early because they were leaving SA and wanted to make a public announcement :)

[@charlesvanonselen6251]

The South African Management are hedging their bets regarding player recovery. It is not a difficult concept to understand. There is no game being played here!

[@taraiasiqaranivalukoli596]

Well this clip aged well 😂

[@Bushboybee]

Just love how these 2 starts playing mind games with themselves every time Rassie changes his underwear...

[@gerainthopkins7576]

what injury crisis South Africa just hammered full all blacks

[@strijdomerwee7493]

Hindsight on all this Springbok criticism is going to be intensely humorous. Especially showing the Springboks win over Scotland already

[@isaaclesibakgomo1938]

This pundits talk as if South Africa is the only nation that in the world cup that has no clue what they are doing, silence is golden 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@imaadpeters4690]

Looking forward on hearing your "analyses" on today' "warm up" between the SB's and AB's on Twickenham. Let's hear it....Any hypothesis on going forward

[@rashaadebrahimkoff2546]

The best are kept for last for the Springboks. It's best to keep it up the sleeve.

[@markshaw222]

JK is the biggest fool of a pundit

[@davealston3881]

He is a knob of note. Thinks he’s Uber cool

[@RassieErasmustheGOAT]

I thought I was the only one that noticed... Ignorance and arrogance 😂 You'll know the results when he's not on set.

[@speak_your_truth.]

Waste of space. Goldie is not far behind him. AB mouthpiece 🤡

[@hermankern3939]

Why the mud-slinging and foul-mouthing? Have'nt you 4 been tought any manners, poor reflection on your childhood.

[@khumomolefe5064]

😂😂😂 hectic this is an analysis

[@alec1113]

Being a jock , it's good to hear from the kiwis that they think we have a chance to get out of the pool of death . One other point ,any chance you guys will let the scots beat the all blacks in my lifetime 🙂👍

[@pierre-3253]

I think the AB should be capable to take on the Scots aswell as the French, but, France might be a bit of a bigger challenge, or maybe I'm wrong ?

[@karlernstbuddenbrock371]

Let Rassie teach you JAYKAY

[@denverkirsten4027]

JW and JK SA have focused on one factor we have been very poor in the past, depth, we even playing players out of position. Good luck for WC.

[@xavierresego4335]

Don't be surprised if the boks win the world cup again

[@davidjooste5788]

:If you're playing a mind games its not very good " say they with their minds firmly gamed. This is the sports show equivalent of a Steven Seagal movie.

[@andrewkelly7799]

That wasn't a mark at 7:20 minutes, but what was it? Nobody explained what was going on, now I'm baffled.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

The ball was kicked so hard that it popped. Really!

[@JeyesFluid]

Crisis, with their depth, good one.

[@washidc1]

Mind games ? Guys are we looking to much at what springboks do?

[@TheRuwan87]

Pollard is the most reliable kicker

[@Karma-qt4ji]

77% for the last two seasons in a Bok jersey....

[@draterlarebil4506]

Pollard historically plays very well versus all-blacks.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

Not entirely true. In the 101st test, it was Elton Jantjies who came on and steadied the ship for the win because Handre was terrible. Wasn't the first time either.

[@stevedavidson666]

Oh and BTW WTF did NZ rugby get this woman from?

[@redpilled9595]

We have great depth, we will be fine

[@ronaldokkers5472]

We are the rugby nation beat you guys 30/7 South Africa is good world cup belongs to South Africa Go Bokke Go ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@jacquespg]

nzl laughing at the springboks, maybe they should start taking notes

[@keegz87]

I question why Am played against Argentina - it was not necessary and a risk not needed A big error by the springbok coaching staff

[@mtabrahams]

Tbf he needed game time, his been a bit off kilter since he too returned from injury

[@speak_your_truth.]

He needed a run out of course 😂

[@helixcirdan7320]

I have the feeling that Scotland will create the big surprise by eliminating the boks or the Irish. The Scottish play fast and well, they have the weapons to qualify for the quarter-finals. This group is called the group of death, it is justified

[@Rustie_za]

scots don't have it in them

[@MrAhuapai]

They are a banana skin in waiting

[@melishek0001]

​@@Rustie_zaclairvoyant?

[@christoduplessis8177]

Dude, Boks at the world cup haha really. Delete Japan and then go and look at the record again.

[@Rustie_za]

@@melishek0001 No, just understand the stats. Go look at them you might learn something.

[@shaungoodman4924]

All due respect 2 Libbok,, it's IMPOSSIBLE! 2tk H.P 2a R/wc &nt play a single match

[@avalanx]

Seems the Pacific ocean is particularly salty. Smart move by Springbok management, it is a game of strategy after all.

[@bongoseakhoa5092]

We'll this aged like milk 😂

[@davidpells4298]

This team announcement was just a publicity exercise for the broadcasters Supersport ..The actual naming if the official team to come at a later date . No ..No games ..Just playing the bills .

[@stephdegoede8316]

Hey guys. As a Springbok fan I think Erasmus and Nienaber have “overplanned” and “overplayed” this RWC prep. They didn’t back local talent like Wandile Simelane and Ruan Nel, both who are younger and more talented than Kriel. And now that Am is ‘out’, they have to play mind games??? They have seriously lost the plot here.

[@stevedavidson666]

You may be a Bok supporter, but you obviously know stuffall about international rugby. Ultimately it all comes down to experience and Kriel has got it in bucketloads. In fact it would be cruel to put your two blokes into an RWC with so little of it. And really stupid.

[@kaalvoet]

Really hope you wrong but your pionts are valid this team might end up not making play offd😢😢😢

[@Karma-qt4ji]

4 days ago I would have agreed with you. Then yesterday happened and Kriel was exceptional. I even had to detract my previous comments about him but to be honest I am happy to be proven wrong.

[@stephdegoede8316]

@@Karma-qt4ji Indeed, Jesse did prove us wrong. He has always been incredibly talented, and maybe just needed some consistency to come right. But, that does not detract from the fact the J+R did not create a contingency plan. Again, why was Libbok not started in those 4 EOYT games in 2022? Like you, I am more optimistic about the Boks now (anything less than a 25 point win over that Welsh team would have been cause for concern). But, there are still some questions that need answering. Let's see how we fare against the ABs this weekend.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@stephdegoede8316 Well now we have Moodie at 13 and I am excited to see how that pans out. I don't think RassNaber are that bothered about winning or losing this game, I think they are trying to tweak a few things, polish some others and most importantly, give ZERO information to Scotland or Ireland.

[@martinsimkiss2755]

Careful with your statistics. Are the total minutes you are comparing under the same rules/laws/interpretation?

[@robinstigling2827]

What injury crisis? When you have a team with the depth of the ocean,you dont cry over losing some water. Go Bokke,peaple always hate on greatness,look at Hamilton,Patriots,Floyd Mayweather😂Rocky Balboa,just to name a few. So hate,it just means we great.

[@stefwessels955]

Having seen the Twickenham game the past weekend. 😂Manie libbok at fly half, Canan moodie at 13 and Franco Mosterd at 5 lock did just fine in that record for the ages annihilation of the mighty all blacks. Just fine🎉

[@glennmolloy3212]

2 know alls that talk shit continually. Watching SA school boy rugby over easter. The future of bok rugby looks so good.

[@nardusvisser]

😂😂😂Typical wingers Wilson & JK. Most of their brains are located in their calf muscles.

[@mikespencer4922]

South Fricans have a very apt expression for someone or something that spoils a situation. " Nou is daar n drol in die drinkwater"....(now there is a turd in the drinking water". John Kirwan is that "drol". He has consistantly fouled what should be a good discussion panel, namely The Breakdown, by his endless bullshit about South Africans and the Bokke.

[@gillesboisacq4156]

Is that man wearing swimming goggles?

[@jeremyreid9582]

Why are we not discussing the selection of the referees, TMO’s and lawyers (!) that will officiate the WC ‘23 ??? They (specifically their inconsistent and laughable decision making) will have a far greater impact on the results than any single team or player may ever hope to have ??? 🤔

[@tebogomogotsi2458]

Let's Gooooooo Bokke!!!!

[@DirtyDawgSailing]

So contradictory... Come on boys. Love the NZ coverage normally. Read the script back once in a while

[@masibam7752]

Fear is real

[@neo71897]

What i know is never never and i repeat never trust rassie erasmus pollard and Am is 100% in the WC team just see

[@snrtackle]

Hows this working for you now??

[@user-gk6ft7dk4m]

35:7

[@rew3363]

It is what it is

[@redpilled9595]

The half backs can play wing and flyhalf

[@chenjeraigurupira3430]

You should be worried about France lol

[@MrAhuapai]

Is it a game? yes its called rugby union

[@shabbangesmoney6245]

chest pains in human form😂😂😂

[@andrewmakin8151]

fascinating to question a motivation from one’s own point of view rather than put yourself in the mind you don’t naturally understand. in the context of our unique history, putting yourself in the mind of the other is something south africans have had to totally embody, a reality we live in. ‘oneself’ comes to mean both what you might naturally be, think and do at the same time as what ‘the other’ might be, think or do, even if these are opposites. the singular lens with which to see, understand and respond to ‘reality’ has become unviable in south africa, and we are continuously adapting to this survival necessity. contrast the certainty that these panelists seek in their analyses or the way eddie jones communicates, with the way rassnaber [nice! and another obvious example of two being one!] and springbok players explain anything, including in pre and post match interviews. or compare the game of chess with the mostly east african game of bao …

[@kurupt7154]

You’re just yapping at this point

[@shinsvantil8642]

If it IS. A mind game then it’s working on these clowns in the studio..

[@elliotkebe3168]

what about Elton Jantjies, Handre pollard all excuses are made about him not for Jantjies ,Why

[@shaungoodman4924]

Bcaus elton hd sex outside of the team 😅

[@robhughes645]

He's rubbish?

[@user-lv9ts3jb6c]

South Africa have shown the world how to beat the All Blacks...they've literally choked under pressure...

[@stisti8431]

Praat baie.

[@hocake8242]

Not sure they’ll win without Pollard

[@nj-ns4sb]

Kiwis paranoid as usual 😂

[@franciscobizzaro]

Low levels of Selenium in the soil

[@jeremyreid9582]

Now we know why Kirwan was always placed far out on the wing … he has very little to contribute towards an intelligent conversation - especially regarding rugby.

[@topteamproduction_9559]

Worry about NZ they will be beaten this world cup😂😂😂😂

[@chiva2507]

Qst; True or false.???

[@danielf4503]

I am afraid you are bs baiting - why not the simple story as it stands.What possible gain can there be in delaying?The explanation lies in transperant integrity

[@martinbrits653]

The presenters on your team honestly get so much egg on your face. 😂 Stop writing off and disrespecting South Africa. You wanted South Africa out of Super Rugby, and it will come back to haunt you. Your arrogance and ignorance as to the passion of SA Rugby is so not what New Zealand stands for. 😢

[@ebenbotha5462]

just because of all your negative attention it proof your scared of the springboks and so you should and also of France and Ireland

[@ebenbotha5462]

where oh where is the mighty all blacks

[@Inthemixmedia]

twikinhim jiff

[@user-su8ks9lf3c]

Some useless information for your day 🤦‍♂️

[@mariusmarais9750]

😹😹😹

[@elliotkebe3168]

I think it is just done to exclude Jantjies on purpose they dont even discuss Jantjies they just mention him when it is asked about him he is 100% fit why not taking him instead

[@ebenbotha5462]

other teams is just better

[@russellturner1909]

It's the end of rugby in south Africa ☠️☠️☠️

[@RassieErasmustheGOAT]

😴 Attention seeker.We don't entertain this in a bok camp.All the best