Interview: Michael A. Singer on The Untethered Soul

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Michael A. Singer, author of The Untethered Soul, in conversation with New Harbinger Publications' VP of Development and Acquisitions, Catharine Meyers.
#untetheredsoul #michaelsinger

[@dorijoe]

Really like the interviewer as well. Finally someone who is not trying to dominate or impress the audience but just simply curious and authentic.

[@beautifulrose8619]

I love your comment. I agree.

[@c7eye]

She asked such great questions. I’m glad I was along for the ride. I wish she would interview him again !!!!

[@rachelariel8]

Coming over from Blossom's interview, I couldn't agree more

[@brandnewyorker]

Soooo true, couldn’t be more grateful

[@jeffreyc.mcandrew8911]

I can see why people are attracted to Michael Singer. His ideas about self image are interesting. Our identity is formed by what we are able to control and what we are used to day to day. What Singer is talking about is developing a stronger inner awareness, so that significant outside changes cannot damage the inner self. With this greater self awareness comes the capacity to make better quality decisions.

[@elizabeththompson3140]

Awesome conversation has changed my life at the age of 61, we are students for life.

[@excusesbegone]

Elizabeth Thompson I so agree We are in EARTH SCHOOL

[@sylviarochelleamaro5888]

Elizabeth Thompson Where do l stand? Especially now that, l also have found new ground. I am 73 and feel Gods' Love for the first time... Thank you Mickey.

[@sylviarochelleamaro5888]

Miki. This is completely remarkable ⛰

[@dinomiles7999]

We are students for and of infinity not just this time space demention . It goes on for ever . [e-mail].. Eyes and mind wide open no fear!!@

[@djc6nk]

Elizabeth Thompson i discovered at same age.

[@easeyoursenses]

This man speaks with so much love and wisdom. He makes the most difficult things understandable.

[@sulmez1]

I'm 48 years old. I've been trying hard on my spiritual journey. You made so easy for me. I'm in a good place. Thank you so much. Love from Bahrain. We are one.

[@carolpessin4006]

Thank you very much. I am grateful to connect with my self when ever I want !

[@myrabrasfield1796]

Pin down a bit

[@OrichalcumHammer]

Everything Michael Singer teaches is knowledge of kafirs from east and his practices promote shirk. You will burn in Jahannum if you accept and perform the practices prescribed by Michael Singer. The gift of Muslim exist only Allah is god for each and every 1.8 billion Muslims .

[@sanbenitohiv4075]

Thank you!! Been working on releasing my blockages. It's been three years the justified anger hurt and so much pain!! I'm amazed I was able to contain so much. Used drugs to numb myself but never realized how much pain I was carrying around. This separation within my mind and my emotions!! Repressed memories of trauma created another personality within myself to protect my inner child. As I forgive and release I feel empathy and compassion for a woman who felt so unworthy of love. Black sheep trying to blend in to receive love but that peg won't go in. Doing it for so long I lost who I am. Today I AM ENOUGH!!Thank you for inspiring me to finally speak out and stand in my truth!! Used to hold on for dear life thru the storms.. Finally learning to dance in the rain!!! Love and light!!!

[@rodrogers3756]

❤

[@catherinethorpe4717]

Imagine being a child raised bye present contented souls, what a gift.

[@tanyathomsonabrams9085]

This interviewer is impressive. Love the thoughtful, calm approach. Singer’s teaching offers much to those willing to listen.

[@mellievern1161]

Amen to that!

[@mkeesee]

Watched this last year, almost an annual year ago, after reading the book the first time, and wow how much has changed about my understanding of this and what we truly are. Thank you Michael ❤️

[@katarinamatic2278]

I am 17. I am sooooo glad and greatful that I found and read your book. It's AMAZING! Also because I heard this. You are one smart person. I can't explain how much you changed my life. Thank you so much Mr. Singer!

[@markog.2319]

Bravo Katarina

[@stevrgrs]

You are a very wise 17 year old. If you’re searching for this knowledge at your age you will be VERY successful in life :) God Bless you on your journey !

[@Maisa1974]

lucky girl! i wish i was as lucky as you to start my life with this.. i stated it when i was 43

[@luccabetta5238]

Wow Katarina! So at 17 you have resonated with the depth of this information. Would you recommend it to other people your age?

[@nicholasusansky9073]

That’s really cute

[@lesleymicuda4041]

Every sentence is a novel..... sometimes, I just read one or a couple of pages at a time.... put the book down and just ruminate and contemplate on those bits... it’s a lifetime lifelong read and re-read book... so significant

[@judiat1945]

10 years after reading this book, it is still with me. Thank you. I learn and relearn truths every time I pick it up.

[@jaouadiiheb9112]

Don't underestimate the role of the interviwer in this masterpiece!

[@Graciarocks]

I feel blessed having watched this. Thank you to you both.

[@lightbodyvehicle]

dyer, I have been a lifelong seeker. I have found Adyashanti, Buddha, Jesus, Mooji , Ramana, Prapupad, Tony Robbins, Eckhart Tolle, Caroline Myss, Wayne Dyer, etc etc etc.... But it took till 2019 to accidentally discover Michael Singer in the midst of yet another long bout of depression and anxiety. Wanting back the life that was I once had and lost through time, age, children going off to college, divorce, death, etc etc etc. Thank you for reminding me again of the transience of life and attachments to it.

[@beautifulrose8619]

I feel you Naia. I am the same. I know most of the people you mentioned. I am wanting to buy Mickey's books, but right now just listening to him on youtube just resonates with me. I am slowly healing.

[@JnTmarie]

I am older. I want to let go of hurt and resentment. I want to be free from regret, fear, I do but I get caught in the loop. Maybe his book will help. You inspire. I’m a loving person who used to fight for justice. I’ve accomplished some. I’m tired I’m a vegan to help the world💗🌺💜❤️🙏🏻💃💪🏻 be well love to all.

[@karlasnyder645]

I figured out on my own everything he spoke about in this interview after my mom passed away and I ‘woke up’. I wish everyone could experience the perfection of life and true harmony.

[@willchristie2650]

One of our political parties does not want anyone to wake up. In fact, they mock anyone who wakes up.

[@Joshuatree7746]

@@willchristie2650 Oh, you mean the party of that orange hair clown?

[@douglaspurcell5825]

Well done

[@lesleyelalami2562]

Ooooh I'm on the right track!!! After feeling happy living my seemingly disorganised life I've realised that it's not disorganised at all. I just go with the flow, I'm not regimented, what gets done gets done, what doesn't is there for tomorrow. Thank you for organising and explaining some of my thoughts/feelings. x Very engaging to watch. x The only downside is those with a negative agenda see you as a walkover, accepting of everything, working on that, in the meantime I just say to myself OK, time to move away from the toxicity to somewhere more pleasant, bless them.

[@willchristie2650]

When someone annoys me, if I am aware at the time, I tell myself "God loves that person as much as me".

[@Joshuatree7746]

I would say, "I'm probably more annoying than him. If God can bear me, then I bear that annoying guy."

[@robin-vt1qj]

@@Joshuatree7746 1upping.. very annoying 😋😁

[@conniebailey9809]

I'm so impressed by your intelligence. I sit attentively in anticipation anxious as to what's gonna come out of your mouth next. So smart and such compassion. Finest most knowledgeable human being, informative and solid. Relatable, open and kind. Sense of humor taboot! Interviewer was keen conversation flowed perfectly. I look forward to reading your works. Struggling in my awakening. Thank you thank you

[@yvetterodriguez9411]

Mr. Singer makes this all seem so easy. Actually, I know in my heart, God never intended for us to suffer so much but the world has just taught us to make it more difficult than it is. It's a challenge to be in the present but it's the best way. It takes work but it's all WORTH IT. Thanks, Mr. Singer. 🙏🙏🙏

[@lolitamorris2943]

The interviewer let him talk, so glad.

[@ThuNguyen-ep7pk]

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[@bigfletch8]

That is how consciousness flows via conversation energy. Be a clear unabarated channel and it flows through you whether you have the gift of writing or speaking. It does not matter. Human BE ing.

[@lolitamorris2943]

Revisiting 2 years later in such difficult times :) 💜🌱💜

[@jennifercowell6317]

What you define and orientate yourself as originates from deep fear and anxiety, True spiritual realization is understanding that you can transcend fear by understanding that you have the power to look past it. Or as Singer says, you take down the walls and let the light in.

[@excusesbegone]

This interview is so good She dug in and asked the needed questions!!! Thanks!!

[@sohara....]

Yes, it is a pleasure to watch. I do like her intro which gives the flavour of how the interview is to be. The interviewer never once uses a phrase like "top author," or "bestseller": instead, she gives information (the number of sales), and lets anyone listening who hasn't heard about Mr Singer's books know that they help people, and have helped her as well. (I only heard about Untethered Soul a few days ago.) Love the low-key style: words that flow, and flowing with them, rather than getting distracted by a pitch, and having one's adrenalin stirred up. 🌞 Love it. Thanks

[@vjmbraam]

Thanks for the mirror on my life by giving this e-learning. I am grateful to all the people around me that lead me to this interview, your book and primarily you as a person. The story is so much spot on that I immediately feel released (and tired, in a good sense). Amazing how these things work. Especially the purity, simplicity and humor is very appealing. "There is nothing more rational then spirituality, haha, great!"

[@naseermuhammad8780]

This book is profound thank you so much for your service to humanity! :-)

[@HoernchenxD]

Can’t tell how often I’ve watched this... life changing! Thank you so much Michael! I really want to learn to live like this, from a place of consciousness, truly! And I’m paying the price already 🙈 life is not going how I expected it atm... well, we shall be carful what we wish for 😋 life may make it true, but to get there, holy shit... 🙈

[@bigfletch8]

Lisa, it is not life changing, it is illusion disappearing. Wanting requires future, but there is no future, just here and now. One thing many people love to do is to travel; to experience new places, the unexpected, but when we travel through life, we try to avoid the unexpected. Being carefull is the blocking as he said. It holds us back. 'Wishing for' restricts what will come your way , based on the time and level of consciousness when you made the "careful wish". That is equivalent of hitting the break on your car or even throwing it into reverse.

[@flyingfig12]

I'm practicing releasing and relaxing every time he says right

[@AshtonDuffy]

😂

[@AdrianaGirdler]

The Untethered Soul will always be an all-time favourite for me. I also love how Michael Singer did the audio book, The Untethered Soul at Work. He has so much business experience as well as spiritual experience, so his ability to bridge the two was truly wonderful. Cheers!

[@keshakellogg5995]

Thank you for mentioning this! I will check it out.

[@beholden1663]

I got the Audio book recently it is absolutely phenomenal

[@kenike007]

The best and simplest explanation I have heard. Yes, to die daily the thousand deaths.

[@moralebooster8437]

Nothing has impacted me so greatly than this conversation right here. That makes sense because I've only got 23 years of experience under my belt, but wow am I thankful and glad to have found this video. Thank you for sharing this powerful information 💗

[@reenasingh-id9zh]

Sometimes i feel jealous of you ppl who are in this journey of conscious living ,you have so many precious years ahead to find yourself ,bless you all ,i am 47 and i think i got it really very late . All the best and love

[@beautifulrose8619]

@@reenasingh-id9zh I know that I personally struggle with envy and jealousy and I know that is because I compare myself to others. When I no longer do that, I know that I will have made great strides to being free. I was reading the comments and saw one person was 17 and was discovering Mickey's teachings. I immediately felt envy. I wish that I could just be naturally happy for others. Then I read a woman who was 73 and was just discovering Mickey's book and teaching. I thought well at least I am a little younger. That is me comparing constantly and it is extremely painful. I know that this journey we are on is difficult, but I believe that you and I and all others who are looking for peace will find it.

[@reenasingh-id9zh]

@@beautifulrose8619 ❤️❤️yes i get it ,besides now we have more easy access to these as compared to the past . You are so sweet ,blessings .

[@beautifulrose8619]

@@reenasingh-id9zh that is great point. I heard a comedian talk about how we have more things to compare with now. He said a scenario where a poor man would only see his house and family and thought he was doing well. Now on KZbin you can see much further than your own life. I know I do better when I stay in my own little world. As soon as I go out, I feel bad. I'm not as pretty, well-dressed, nice car, etc. Endless things to compare. I actually have improved with my anxiety, but seem like I have a long way to go. I want to get to the point that Mickey talks about. He reached the point where he is joyful and content. That is beautiful and inspirational. Happy 2021.

[@thomaslakson6629]

@@reenasingh-id9zh Not everyone gets to live to 47. Enjoy the experience!

[@susanwale8887]

Michael is amazing. What a beautiful soul on this earth. I read the book, The untethered Soul, and today after months I listened to his talk about Yoga and what an eye opener. I understood so much and why I am still searching . Now I really know why. Thank you so much Michael 🙏🏼❤️

[@RiazMotlagh]

Thank God and New Harbinger for bringing this wonderful interview with Michael A. Singer to us! What a blessing to be introduced to the clarity, spontaneity,... of this beautiful soul! Thank you thank you thank you...

[@kardoyle]

I just love this particular interview!! So spot on !!

[@alimbo9436]

I have only been recently turned on to Mr Singer and so glad I did! What a special man - his smile, words and his energy light me up and inspire me to know myself deeply.

[@westraiser8702]

Truly admiring this interview, I recon this is the best Micheal A. Singer's interview I came across. The range of questions are the basic, but requires deep answers that Michael A. Singer beautifully presents from a wealth of wisdom. THANK YOU.

[@edwintepuendikum3527]

Amazing,Amazing thanks so much 🙏🏿🙏🏿. Life changing message, I’m born again at the age of 38/39🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@rickyjones4119]

Wow I've read his book twice, have never seen him or knew who he was but he really puts in perspective how F***ed this world makes us.!!! Thank you so much for this book.!!!

[@_chinmoku]

Since reading the book, I can not get enough of his teaching. There is no end to education, especially at Michael Singer's level of consciousness & understanding....

[@shoegal7]

Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful interview. Michael Singer's book has changed my life.

[@maxalwaysgoesbyboat7715]

This is absolutely what I needed to hear right now...i knew this in the 90's then got lost in Self...and now i've found 'myself' again...what a long strange trip its been huh Jerry? Thx to this wonderful man for this insight!!

[@candyzhere1773]

I lost my daughter May 6, 2020. If my world wasn’t already turned upside down due to CV. Everything on the outside of me was not matching the picture I had on the inside of me. In fact I feel like the picture on the inside of me has been wiped clean. The outside will never be the same. And I am feeling so unattached to physical places, people and things. I so want to find the true me. I have the urge to go sit with the yogis in a year long silent meditation. That’s silly to just want to quit my life like that. I am so alone though I am surrounded by many.

[@jc10907Sealy]

My heart ♥️ breaks for you. I pray your pain transforms into peace knowing your daughter felt your love. You will see her again.

[@cecele77]

You have the right to be okay and to feel okay

[@merveyoneyman7282]

this book changed my life completely. I am grateful. I never had such a clear vision of how the mind works. we are always told by spiritual teachers to "stay in the moment", "be observant". but I didn't understand how at all... thank you Michael Singer and thank you for sharing and the interview :)

[@audreysegura8933]

This was an awesome interview! Wow fantastic deep questions and a great exchange between the two ! Really got a lot out of it and listened 3 times so far ! Thank you for this fantastic video !

[@randecolley7054]

Dear Mr. Singer, Perhaps you will cover the techniques that will work for people living with physical pain every day?

[@FaulknerLeanne]

What a legend! I wish there was more of your conversations going on Micky xx

[@pesthlm]

... a little paralle here; I was scared of the dentist for 35 years - until I decided to follow in his work. I went through the fear. Did not even try to escape. Now I have brand new teeth both above and below and was never afraid of the process.

[@lolitamorris2943]

He is great; she is also excellent

[@selfesteem3447]

"In there, it's COMPLETELY your world, you get to do ANYTHING you want to with it" I just had a bad start before but now...🤗

[@KSB67119]

i found this goes even deeper into rhonda byrn book !!!its wonderful ty so much it came me when i was in middle of relationship troubles i guess and helped me so much i will continue to watch and learn ty so very much im sending love and peace to everyone effortless abundance ty very much

[@Peterbircsak1]

Such a great teacher to relieve the pain

[@luluraven5528]

Deeply insightful read Thank you Mr Singer This has been life affirming ExpanSion TranscenDance I woke in my 50's 57 now 🙂 Blessings Sensei 🙏 💖 🌱

[@xstansa]

I’ve read all of Michaels book, listened to all his podcasts and courses multiple times. They are all awesome- but this interview brings everything together so amazingly. I could almost use this as a meditation daily and something I plan to do. Great job!

[@susanwale8887]

Thank you so much for this interview, it made what I read in the book clear, I have been practicing already and there is no stopping. I have been following a few masters and reading their books, watching their videos and after over 20 years I can at last say it struck the cord to enlightenment. 🌷💕❤️

[@kardoyle]

This interview is outstanding!!!! His best !!!!

[@jewel2022now]

Wow, so simple, but so powerful. Thank you for sharing.

[@amnamumtaz4038]

Bravo katarina! U r one smart cookie to take in the wisdom at this tender age!

[@GoldenHawk441]

so brilliantly simple & powerfully clear - thank you Michael!

[@ladyaqua6468]

Michael you put it into.terms that I can understand and use in everyday life. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom 🙏

[@mariselamoreno5787]

Thank you Michael Singer. Excellent questions and your explanations are so clear and straightforward. I love your teachings ❤️🙏🏻

[@mikeware69]

@34:53 Priceless..... He nails that point😀👍

[@Aceofcups111]

Mike Ware thanks for the pointer I really paid attention at that mark and I heard it !!

[@trustlife23]

Thank you Michael Singer for writing this book and for everything you do! God bless you! 🙏🏼

[@wuska5203]

The best interview that I've ever seen... Unlike Tony Robins and his wife atleast the interviewer let Micheal Singer talk. And it was amazingggggggggg listening to him. ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[@CoachKidane11]

You have defined yourself and created a self concept of your experiences. Love this! Work your way through that panic...be okay without the bodyguards. 👍🏾👍🏾

[@silversonik1064]

thanks very much for this beautiful interview Michael Singer! :)

[@anoridinaryhumanbeing70]

One important chapter is "contemplating death",, on that book. It should be done everyday. I repeat,, every single day,, to live life,, unattached. And therefore, without any stress. (Jiddu)Krishnamurti said it right,, "to live, to really live, is to die each moment". 🙏❤️ Death is a teacher, a blessing,, not a fearful entity. Infact, it's the ultimate antidote to all worries and fear. It's the flame of detachment while livin'. 🌹🌹🌹,,

[@sylviashuller5557]

Thank you 🎉 This message is so Helpful. I don't allow my state of Be-ing or behaviour to depend on another or to circumstances. I allow myself to Feel Safe and Happy 🎉 in changing circumstances. I AM GOOD❤ Right NOW 🎉 Thank you 🙏🏾 for this show 🙏🏾

[@crankman88]

Just read the book and by far the most important one ever in my life. Thank you for all the efforts :)

[@Vibrantlifestyle]

Brilliant! The age old question, “Who Am I” a deep introspective thought provoking book, I highly recommend the book

[@elizabethmollner]

This was a fabulous interview and would love to see more of this as it really helped me understand Michael's work which is beyond brilliant in my eyes as I have been a life long seeker and this thinking is extremely powerful & helped me get why I am really here! I would love to start a support group of sorts perhaps like a discussion group around his work that was helpful in supporting it's members to stay on track and continue the process of shifting out of the thinking mind!! Thank you for this powerful interview!!

[@lindag2513]

What if what’s disturbed inside is knowing your spouse is having a 3rd affair and your retired and stuck financially with observing and suffering daily. What is bothering me and what do you do about it

[@acrobbins3602]

Absolutely Love and Respect & Admire Micky Singer (not to imply the audacity that I have the right to call him Micky). It is also worth noting that Catharine Meyers appears to be a very sweet, beautiful human being. Never even heard of her before and I already admire her. Besides, a pretty face is simply a pleasant means to reflect inner beauty. :)

[@TheThunderlake]

I read this book years ago. At the time I did not have any defined faith in God. Listening to this interview is bringing back what I had learned after reading this book. The love and peace inside is the Holy Spirit to me, I have given much of my attachment to this existence away. God is our creator and our soul is what lives on to eternity with Him. The human experience, our journey, many lessons to learn while in this experience. I have learned much of what Singer is talking about through my faith in God. However, he is teaching many souls an awakening and path out of this material world.

[@popolokross444]

This is the interview that i've been wanting from Miki for years!!! thank you for asking the question in-depth especially that Chapter 5 part! i love you!!

[@excusesbegone]

popo lokross YES YES

[@dawnhopkins9178]

Thank you! Love your book so much. Now I get to know me instead of identifying with a role or position. Love it, very liberating!

[@bobwallace7487]

I love you. Your ability to verbalize consciousness changes the world. Infinite blessings🙏🙏🙏

[@theresabowman1155]

Ppl response to moments that are beyond their control is because we as ppl have programmed our minds to react to our emotions depending on the events or situations. For instance if something happens tragically we automatically feel the emotion of crying heartbreak pain break down and we say oh that's being human or that's a human nature reaction but is it truly a human nature reaction or is it the reaction we choose??because that's how we think we're supposed to respond to tragedy.

[@henrykanottingham9810]

' Michael. A. Singer - 'I Have Fallen In Love' ..... 'With YOU'. ..... 'It's A Very Long Time Since I Felt Love - 'And NEVER This Way...... My Soul Says 'Thankyou' To Your Soul. .......xx

[@jandodson2431]

I found Michael and I'm so happy I did Thankyou and great interview the questions were spot on again thankyou x

[@timkay4386]

Thank you for all you do, all you have done and everything you have yet to do! You are truly a gift and blessing for any soul that listens! We hear you Michael 🙏

[@aries-seventhseal2473]

Timeless. Thank you. Beautiful beyond measure. 🕊️🌅💫🌞🔑🌟

[@sandra02111978]

Love this book! It’s on my top three list. Right up there with the power of now!

[@nicholasusansky9073]

Sandra A what’s the third book? X

[@beautifulrose8619]

@@nicholasusansky9073 Yes, What is the third?

[@beautifulrose8619]

which is the third book?

[@Vladyyy]

Same here!

[@embodiedauthenticity]

"Do you believe people have a soul? [...] No! People don't have a soul, they are the soul. That's what the word soul means. You - Who you are. You don't have one, you have a car, you have a purse, you don't have a soul." Love that!

[@siddharthaganguli5299]

The most profound thoughts expressed in simplest of language; I can never thank all of you involved with this book enough. My deepest gratitude and regards...

[@josongeorge5]

1:05:07 Thank you Michael.

[@yog.prachar]

He is a pure genius. Thanks a lot. gratitude

[@priyasankara32]

Wow - beautifully explained- thank you to the host and Mickey

[@eyrie.8624]

Thank you for the wonderful conversation ❤

[@LindaKordich]

LoVE him. Authentic - passionate - brilliant… but mostly incredibly wise.

[@markkent3363]

Dr. Singer, thank you so much. We love you and your work you shared to the world.

[@ledasoldatou]

Every time I hear you, the only thing I can say is "oh my god!". Again and again! Your truth is one of the most well and simple explained! I never named anyone my teacher but you... I can't help it! I am grateful for your enlightenment. Grateful! Grateful for what you shared with all of us! 🙏🙏🙏❤

[@lusaramakhanya6808]

Michael Michael Michael why do I hear you so much . You sooo deep . I’m awakening

[@realizethefuture]

Thank you so much both to the interviewer and interviewee. It was fantastic 👏👌I learned alot and such a great book.

[@deelehey2827]

I have read this book 4 times now. It has helped me get great inner peace.

[@jeffreyc.mcandrew8911]

Also a good point, regarding how we conserve our energy. Negative energy can drain a person's soul very quickly.

[@FranciscoGarcia-bo2mk]

I read untethered soul and I want to read it again. I'm refreshed I love my brother Michael. Hes good man

[@dipasinha663]

Thank you 🙏, Today I have got the actual meaning of Meditation & Yoga. This is the" SELF REALIZATION". In short It has changed my life. I will follow my own meditation for 15 minutes ,not other's..... Thanks once again:)

[@marklangley999]

i love Michael Singer opened my eyes

[@archbishopcorrinesheemaame2574]

THANK YOU SO MUCH MICHAEL 💗💓💛💖❤♥💗💓💛💖❤♥💗💓💛💖❤♥💗💓💛

[@gaurav3290]

Beautiful video 🤩

[@sedaylmaz2236]

What a great interview. Absolutely life changing

[@kellyhusted4509]

This conversation has penetrated! Thank you 🦋