Sony Marvel Universe: What Went Wrong | The Sneak Peek

[@smccabe277]

Sony had no idea what they were doing.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

And they still put their faith in Avi Arad as if he knows better than them

[@aaron-downey]

They did. They didn't care.

[@JonReynoldsESQ]

At least 3 of those movies shouldn't even exist.

[@DismemberTheAlamo]

Literally all they had to so was be like "Ok Marvel, you get full control, but you front all the costs, give us 20%, and let us put our name on it" and Marvel would ahve totally taken em up on it.

[@lightsoutmedia73]

At all!!!

[@rayawira]

If an entire slate of movies turns out to be terrible, the responsibility likely falls on the producers or studio. However, since the studio is capable of producing masterpieces like Spider-Verse, it's almost certain that the producers themselves are the real problem.

[@tabathacarruthers5122]

Over promised and under delivered like DC live action movies

[@nuvjoti]

Hiring the wrong writers who don’t have the ability to plan their things together to crossover. Marvel was setting a standard that Sony couldn’t keep up with. Now even Disney can’t keep up with their own formula. I guess these actors’ contracts aren’t easy to work with 😂 So producers hiring the wrong people and not giving them the ability to cook and the studio being hamstrung by contracts that massively favor the actors and not easily allowing for cameos that this franchise desperately needed. Instead they had to just work with what they had. Keaton probably contracted in for multiple appearances so they had him showing up. Hardy had 3 films so they didn’t want to waste him on a cameo. Early marvel had Chris Evans coming back every year. I don’t think we see that again from Hollywood. Doesn’t feel like a big ask but agents of actors don’t want them under such contracts. This franchise could’ve worked if they had Hardy Venom showing up in the spin off movies but the writers couldn’t incorporate him coz Hardy’s deal was only for 3 films. (Probably what do I know lol)

[@CleansHaven]

Do you work in the industry?

[@xristintern5421]

The producers are only working with the material they are given thoe so if the material is shit a producer can’t really make it better

[@losisd3ad]

isn't Sony animation technicallyyyy a separate studio tho

[@hrznxluna1738]

The Autopsy report of Sony is that Spiderman did so good that they thought they could do better in the other films

[@EveryCrazyDay]

Venom: “Eh pretty fun.” Venom 2: “Eh pretty fun but…” Morbius: “This is joke right?” Madam Webb: “Was that a fever dream” Venom 3: “Eh I give up” Karven: “Who runs this studio?”

[@mijo_antonio]

I was not ready for Eric’s venom impression 😂

[@rottenfriedsushi]

why was it lowk good lmaooo

[@Kr-zi1mf]

I feel like you can't do carnage 100% without making the film rated R.

[@daniellindsay5960]

Carnage is the worst of this list in my eyes. I still had hope, and they crushed it.

[@DeRussellMasina]

I’ve said this for years. He is a homicidal maniac and that’s before the Symbiot.

[@THG-3141]

The name alone should tell you what rating it requires. Obviously we know this, is stupifying how they don't

[@chrisrosencrans]

Its like Sony only hired people who weren't nerds to write for them. Like they intentionally got people who didn't know the source material then sent them a 10 minute youtube video that explained the characters

[@mdodds1226]

EXACTLY!!! Not one producer, writer, marketing team member, had the forethought to ask literally anyone who reads comics what they thought??

[@JaxonRoberts]

The Venom movies worked because of the comedy they wrote into the scripts. The others were totally smile-proof...

[@alexwelsh0811]

Except to laugh at just how idiotic they were

[@mrkeishh5145]

They turned venom into a joke. The way he was portrayed in venom 1 was much more satisfying to watch. Definitely the best sony-verse movie to date.

[@cottoncoffin]

the venom movies were trying way too hard to be comical and fr I could barely understand Eddie half of the time

[@reallynow5357]

Venom trilogy for me was just bad, all of em. It was soo campy and predictable, like 2000 era marvel movies.

[@user-fh6yh6jw4u]

Funny. I didn't know that Tom did Venom's voice. I actually think that voice is the best part of the movie and makes it all work. I also found it easy to understand what was being said in all of it.

[@zelbarnap]

Your description of what the craven movies could’ve been is excellent. You know your audience.

[@Pao19088]

None of these movies would have flopped, maybe even done exceedingly well, if they were released in the early 2000s along with movies like Daredevil. The problem is comic book movie fans don't have to just be happy with whatever they get anymore. Comics and superheroes are mainstream, so these fans expect and deserve better films. Their pallettes are refined.

[@NemisisRecords]

Not refined even. The genre is just so big now that people who dont care about the movies are majority of the reviews. Most comic fans still ners out over just SEEING a character in something. These movies are definitely fit for the 2000s though, but they'd still be bad. Spiderman 1-3 still holds weight to this day.

[@takerhulk3163]

Some are def entitled brats to tho or need to make clickbatey youtube vids and reviews since they dont have real jobs. Anyway some of these movies were allright only superhero movies i prob wont rewatch is morbius eternals or the last fantastic 4 movie.

[@stientang3957]

Question: What went wrong? Answer: SONY

[@RayMcElroy50]

*Avi Arad

[@shreyasj6042]

LGTV-+-+ emerged victorious 😅

[@bryanferratt6598]

No, the answer is "Tyrese Gibson" 🙄😒😤😡😠🤬.

[@kortjester71]

They should have brought back Andrew for their universe Spiderman

[@kadosho02]

Given the recent interview between Ryan & Andrew, I would love to see them team up or collaborate too

[@Venemofthe888]

Everyone thought Andrew was the perfect spiderman for this universe and hell even a cameo in one or two of these movies could have done something. Maybe with them all being bad in their own way Maybe it was a good thing Andrew wasn't here lol

[@kadosho02]

@@Venemofthe888 this weird universe concept never made sense. Taking out the character from the narrative, which is essential to the storytelling. But even in some comics the baddies do get to tell their story.

[@reallynow5357]

Nah they're just gonna mess it up like the TASM 2 and ruin his comeback.

[@CompulsoryPseudonym]

Sony exec: So, you’ve got some spinoff movies for me? Writer: Yes, sir, I do! The SPUMC failed because the target demo was too narrow, so we’re going to aim for a broader audience. Exec: That means more money! Writer: It sure does! Remember Forrest Gump? Exec: Of course, but we don’t own the rights. How do we get around that? Writer: Super easy, barely an inconvenience! We’ll just never mention him. Exec: Oh, never acknowledging the central character is tight! Writer: So we’re gonna make a Jenny movie, a Captain Dan movie, and a Bubba movie. Exec: those are people from that movie we won’t mention! Writer: And because we don’t have to mention you-know-who, we can change all the details that made those characters so interesting. Exec: Oh wow, wow, wow - wow!

[@rogerelliss9829]

I liked venom because we kept getting the "over the horizon" promise of Spiderman. By the last dance, I realized it's not happening so I'm relegating these movies to the same box that the dceu occupies.

[@manny3812]

No matter they could have had other characters to go up against Venom yet they kept it symbios they never added any other characters, why not?

[@manny3812]

You know Sony owned 250 spiderman characters hero's , anti- hero's , & villains they could have used any of them to make movies ,they only saw money 💰

[@takerhulk3163]

​@@manny3812they were maybe saving them for the other movies they had planned if things went well

[@rogerelliss9829]

@takerhulk3163 yeah well, that should have went out the window with morbius lol. Madame web shouldn't have even had to be a nail in the coffin, and yet they went ahead and made kraven.

[@takerhulk3163]

@@rogerelliss9829 i liked madame web and kraven

[@patrickraring9440]

Seeing all of Erik's frustration, taking all of ours and seemingly channeling it, might be a better movie than what Sony has given us (outside of Spiderverse).

[@TheMiddleAgedKidVideos]

I still think they keep making these movies to keep "resetting the clock" so they never have to let SM characters go 100% to Marvel Studios.

[@takerhulk3163]

Apparently they are done after kraven tho

[@birck4293]

Here's the thing the clock only resets with the spiderman movies and right now they right against the 5 year window

[@LaDobleA0621]

We got venom trilogy before GTA VI

[@tasteewheat393]

XP

[@JasonGuySmiley]

Pain

[@MarquisTidwell]

Let Rockstar cook sir. We'll be served up when they're good and ready. 😆

[@SonofTruth]

Yeah but there are also spending over 2 billion dollars on one video game....

[@anthonygorman94]

We got venom 3 before Elder Scrolls VI

[@jacobsims8307]

Venom was a BAD movie with a good performance. None of these scripts were good, and they aren’t visually special.

[@radiohostalastor]

That’s a huge lie you just told, all the scripts were good except Madame Web and a very small half of morbius which is what made them good movies

[@losisd3ad]

​@@radiohostalastordidn't know we had Sony-verse defenders

[@reallynow5357]

yikes, i thought the Venom trilogy was just bad across the board, performance was campy, script was cartoonish, fx was not very special visually.

[@ZatoichiBattousai]

Kraven is Wolverine, but with only the Heightened Senses and Emotions!

[@SirsasthNigam.]

Chemical/Magical Enhancement: After Kraven ingested Calypso's mythical potions, his physiology underwent several changes endowing him with superhuman physical attributes. The powers he gained put him 'on the top of the food chain' as they are even greater than those of Captain America, who is himself considered a pinnacle of human evolution. Kraven is far better, stronger, faster and much more cunning than any human, coupled with his skills, Kraven truly is a dangerous and deadly adversary. Superhuman condition with Longevity

[@bryansannicolas]

Avi Arad just needs to not be involved. While he was a producer within the into the spiderverse movies, I don't think he was involved in much of the creative stuff.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Aside from putting Spot as the villain, Phil Lord and Chris Miller were the actual masterminds And the irony of Madame Web is that he wasn't even involved on that

[@jaredhill1197]

I enjoyed all these films. Wouldn’t consider them great movies but they did their job and entertained me for the duration of their run times

[@danieIIemydear]

The first Venom did so well because it also didn't have any competition at the box for months. it had super long legs because the only "blockbuster" in November was fantastic beasts which underperformed massively and then there was aquaman and into the spider verse came out in December.

[@imuv21]

What went wrong?.. Why is this a question in this case?

[@danielquevedo5064]

What went wrong? Almost everything

[@radiohostalastor]

Nothing went wrong cuz Madame Web is their only bad movie

[@therealenriqueparra]

So is Morbius, Venom 2 & Kraven​@@radiohostalastor

[@ethanirving1313]

​@@radiohostalastor 😂🤣 Guess you didn't watch the rest.

[@kevinjkakande212]

I just have to say: Eric's impression of Venom is something I didn't know I needed to hear👏

[@SpencerS.Kwarkuto]

58:03 Too cute Jay😊

[@Venemofthe888]

The issue was aside from maybe Venom none of these characters could carry a film by themselves in terms of a logical story. They were all spiderman adjacent (apart from morbius who was not completely tied to spiderman). Perhaps these characters were best suited to being across from spiderman. Madame Webb was a huge mess just by itself

[@christophermarabella5683]

Actually a voice actor did voice Venom in 2018. He passed away before Let Ther Be Carnage Came Out

[@LuigiFan64]

Both Tom Hardy and Brad Venable voiced Venom.

[@jacobodom8401]

You can really hear the difference. Venoms voice is less scary in 2 & 3

[@arronhorwood9997]

Without even watching this video, what went wrong is Marvel spent several years and films building one story arc culminating with Infinity War/Endgame. The Sonyverse seem happy to release film after film with no cohesion to the next.

[@IsiahBradley]

DAY-AM, this is an intellectual discussion!!! THANKS for this!!!!

[@zelbarnap]

The venom movies are popcorn films to me, but they’re not the true venom that I wanted to see in the screen. Sony has never portrayed venom in a way that I felt was the way I wanted to remember venom

[@SpideySensei72]

A "Kraven's Last Hunt" film wouldn't really work either because you'd first have to establish him in the MCU and then set him up to kill himself in the final act. Not sure how well this would translate in a live action film.

[@Gaberille]

What went wrong? Marvel shoulda kept custody of there characters.

[@chrisrosencrans]

Marvel was facing bankruptcy and they had to sell movie rights to stay afloat. Also *their*

[@Gaberille]

@@chrisrosencrans I get the story. But my philosophy is that there’s always a loophole.

[@SnowOntheThrone]

Marvel wouldn't exist if they hadn't sold characters off in the 90s

[@MoramothHauntz]

Disney has some of the best lawyers out there. They would have found a loophole by now

[@DoubleJDoubleU]

The hardest thing to do is make a villain the empathetic center of your film. Stop doing that, at least until you’ve established the world your playing in

[@michaellawrence7570]

Sony screwed up and they will never admit to it great video

[@PunchSuccaa]

Venom would have been so much more successful if they had kravens rated R bloody action

[@janesjunglesafari]

Love you both together!!

[@barney7822]

As long AVI ARAD lives There's no hope

[@factualopinion4275]

damn. you a real villain😂

[@davechan8613]

“Hello Luigi? It’s Barney.”

[@fayannbanawis511]

stanning Jessica's hair right now 😍

[@Powerdude13]

I enjoyed Erik and Jessica absolutely shitting on these movies

[@RLTango]

Sony's perspective to their film making: Stacking a bunch of *_"Educated Wishes!"_*

[@aschell3581]

Sony needs to realize that movies featuring only Spider-Man villains does not make a blockbuster you need Spider-Man himself in the movie so I believe that it can be a movie like marvel always delivers🤨

[@RayMcElroy50]

If Sony isn't gonna give up on the rights The least they could do is put Phil Lord and Chris Miller in charge of everything They're the only ones that know what they're doing

[@davechan8613]

They already ended their contract. After BTSV, they’re gone.

[@robstein1313]

It was hard to see that Sony and Marvel had so many chances to share and Sony kept dropping the ball when it was their turn to make the next throw. We really should have had a cooperative multiverse by now

[@mattz.7761]

Sony never really got it.

[@tagir9123]

Nope

[@deeonbrown]

Wish Sony just swung over to the 2099 universe and Miguel and throw maybe Andrew over there since he’s already experience traveling outside of his universe. There’s soo much weird but interesting lore and characters there. And please, please leave Miles to Marvel and more deft hands.

[@gninenine]

I think that there are 3 good movies possible with the 3 NON-Venom films, but they tried to stretch them out to match the financial success of the first Venom. The studio saw that success and thought "oh we can just put any of these characters into a movie and it will make a ton of money" which doesn't work. In the end if you go into it trying to make a "hit" then you still only have as much of a chance of making a hit as you would if you just went in trying to make a good movie. The difference is that if you go into it trying to make a good movie then even if its not a hit, you'll still have good movie that will in time find a version of success. What Sony did was make a bunch of films that were not commercially successful, not artistically or technically appreciable, nor simply enjoyable to watch.

[@therealdjx214]

IDGAF WHAT ANYONE SAYS. MY CHILDHOOD CHARACTERS ARE HAVING THEIR OWN MOVIES 🙌

[@lunatic5162]

Meh, better not having it if it's like THAT

[@GuySuperStar81]

Thanks for all the fun discussions. As a super hero fan, i appreciate the thoughts and comic history... the latter I have minimal knowledge of. Side note, I'm loving the Bohner Family reunion T-shirts that i ordered as holiday gifts!!!!!

[@bruskinov]

I am HERE for the Sandra Diaz content. Queen stays Queen!!!

[@JBXyooj]

You know what WB and Sony have in common? They saw Disney making a cinematic universe and attempting to fast track their own universe, and they failed.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

2 words... AVI ARAD

[@TAllanBishop]

All of these movies basically squandered a good initial idea by abandoning most of the core idea behind the movie. Each one individually had a good core idea that the writers took and warped into something else and it wasn't in a good way in any of them.

[@sheapotter80]

It would have been really interesting to build the sinister 6 like Marvel built out the Avengers with Spidey being their “Thanos” threat.. of course built out differently.. and you could have even had the sinister 6 win against Spidey as the big movie to end it all, two part the story and see how that turns around.. it’s just disappointing to have all of these fantastic actors cast to throw it all away.

[@ajragnarok]

Damn I was waiting for that Hypno Hustler movie 🥲

[@ikeapedia]

Counter point to the Eternals take, the same could be said about Guardians of the Galaxy

[@dudder86ify]

Sometimes I do have to put the subtitles on venom to see what venom said but other than that I love all 3 venoms

[@jaynesastarcm4v]

I just want to say you to absolutely make me howl. So so funny 🤣

[@mllkc]

i like this episode... alot of backstory, etc 🥰

[@jorgej.cruzhernandez9247]

No Spiderman is what went wrong

[@russellkellett9535]

Every character has there own movie hello

[@jorgej.cruzhernandez9247]

@russellkellett9535 with no Spiderman in them Hello

[@majorperk2275]

Rs they tryna build everything like we don't even know where tom Holland Spiderman at rn 😂😭

[@factualopinion4275]

bad scripts

[@jorgej.cruzhernandez9247]

@@factualopinion4275 with no Spiderman involved.

[@NFTwizardz]

Andor was the best thing disney has made with star wars franchise. Not every marvel movies needs an avenger in it, same with star wars doesn't always needs to have a Skywalker in it. It's a huge beautiful world filled with dope stories. Point here is "write good stories and people will show up".

[@desmondaresdangelo5733]

Honestly, Andrew should've been in the Venom movies, and Tobey should've been in Morbius and Kraven. And Madame Web could've easily been a prequel to ASM

[@THG-3141]

I genuinely feel bad for the talent. Yes, they took the role. I get that. But there's a lot of really talented people who now have this garbage attached to their names forever. I don't think they knew going in these movies would be this terrible. But, I do think they knew before they wrapped. However it was probably too late to do anything about it.

[@ExploringtheGalaxy]

I honestly wonder if their deal with the MCU included a clause where they couldn’t use Peter Parker in the SPUMC because Disney were the ones who didn’t want any confusion about multiple versions of the character. But if that was part of the deal, why not use any of the other Spider-people for the SPUMC?

[@Primero_Dominicano]

“I’d like to speak to the manager” 😂

[@DRossGaming]

Sony:The kings of giving us what we didn't ask for.

[@joshuamoran151]

Erik, as a die hard survivor fan, I need to hear your season by season thoughts, survivor 47 finishes tomorrow so I need your thoughts on every season

[@Ayejimmeh]

Love the fit Jess!

[@NeroTheAntiHiro]

Carnage should have been a straight up R rated scifi horror film.

[@christophercavazos5667]

should have used Kraven to hunt venom. Not rocket science.

[@matthewtopping2061]

I never saw any of the SPUMC movies outside of the first Venom, which was terrible. Are they worth it? "So bad they're good" kind of thing?

[@franceseppich7284]

Long term strategy, these should have been stories that streamed like Agatha, leading up to a sinister six with Spider-Man that they start negotiating for now.

[@Acefrank787]

Sony needs to work out a royalty deal or something with Marvel. I get not wanting to give the rights back since Spiderman is Marvels most popular superhero, but they are literally pooping on the characters legacy. GIVE SPIDERMAN BACK TO MARVEL!

[@tevwash3949]

The guy playing Sup looks the part... but I'm going to wait for streaming, we'll when it's no extra cost.

[@Avery_Sad_Guy]

My favorite part is when they said "Its Morbin time"

[@Rizky-im2vh]

0:11 the stain in the corner trick me!

[@grizzadams5490]

Eric's off the top version of MW actually sounds watchable.

[@davidbell4626]

All Sony had to do was follow the comics. How did they get it wrong!?

[@theskyybay420]

By not following the comics.

[@Kolnerbigblue]

I never liked Madam Web in the comics but Sony wanted a Multiverse. I'm not a fan of vampire movies so I had no interest in Morbius. That's just my take.

[@denardmoore7051]

I am just Jessica this is what I expect out of Sony making Kraven. Very memeable content something we can laugh at for hour and half

[@dresdenwarlock7978]

What went wrong? The only reason any of them were made was for the rights, not for anything related to wanting to tell a story or anything of any artistic integrity. It did exactly what itw anted to do. None of them are worth watching on any level.

[@Speciimenn]

Sony's a professional property vacuum. They bought Minolta cameras and made it bad. Bought marvel IP and made it bad. They're like Kirby sucking up a power, misusing it, and claiming it's their own. Homies, the original Kirby was just fine. Just Down+B off the side of the map already

[@dellcoc]

Sony either hates the Marvel fans or they are laundering money. There is no excuse for their movies being totally inaccurate with terrible writing.

[@diobility]

When a studio's main goal is to make money, it is incentivized to cut costs as much as possible to increase its profits. That's the difference between Marvel Studios and other studios making hero movies. Marvel Studios prioritizes the content and storyline before trying to cash in as much as possible. Sony knows exactly what they were doing... They prioritized making money.

[@mishking9547]

Anyone who was smart didn't wonder what the title of Venom: The Last Dance meant

[@RegisBodnar]

SPUMC sounds icky! It's perfect!

[@alexwadman]

I'll never understand doing Venom without Spider-Man. I always believed you can't do that before telling Spider-Man’s story with the symbiote. Weird not seeing the iconic logo on Venom

[@evanbell3886]

Tom did not voice Venom alone in the 1st one lol, he sounds good in the 1st. It goes off the rails in the last two.

[@joelsallee2046]

I liked all the venom movies. Didn't see 1 or 2 on theatre but did go see 3. I think they did a nice Trilogy

[@kerutlj]

ATJ’s abs was worth the ticket price 😁

[@BSdetector]

shouldnt it be illegal like false advertising to put things in a trailer thats not actually in the movie? Maybe thats something we should look into.

[@adenlycosky]

Feels like sony wanted/ expected these movies to be prequels for characters to build into this "universe" they needed to come out with those characters strongest arc and hopefully build enough free karma to get a prequel lore of that character that led them into being compelling villian / arch villian

[@alexandermoshenko4416]

Honestly, I blame the audiences for the venom movies. Not a single one of them was good, but they all made money at the box office. Sony saw that success and thought they could implement it with other characters they had no business trying to turn into antihero protagonists. This was a failure of an idea since 2018 and the viewing audience is part in parcel to blame, we told Sony “yes, this mediocrity is okay”

[@nathanwaves1774]

I couldn't have put it better myself, thank you

[@emanuelrodriguez9044]

Naw, I love the Venom films and I’m happy I went to go see them. Blame the company and not the fans for making the other movies not as enjoyable for the mass audience as the Venom films were.

[@alexandermoshenko4416]

@ the company made those other movies based off of the success of that mediocre trilogy, you can’t tell me you saw a PG-13 carnage movie and thought it was a good idea, especially after dropping a hard R Kraven movie, Sony took y’all’s money and ran smh

[@alexandermoshenko4416]

@ and honestly, if you’re saying you enjoyed the venom trilogy as a whole outside of just the first movie then that’s all I need to know lmfaooo

[@emanuelrodriguez9044]

@@alexandermoshenko4416 I’ll tell you right now, I saw the film and I enjoyed it for what it was. I never had a bad time watching the Venom films but other Sony films didn’t even work as decent films you can have a good time seeing.

[@darthdraco3052]

My biggest question in the Morbius post credit scene was, where did he get his Volture tech in this new universe?

[@afrodesiac8064]

The American audience is more informed with cinematic Marvel characters than with their own real-life government and politicians.

[@TOMATO-op6ru]

Sony you went wrong with the PS3, I’ll keep playing my 360.

[@Bar-Del]

18:30 while it didn't make billions I believe godzilla vs kong also definitely belongs in that conversation, as it was the first real blockbuster since the pandemic and it was very successful, not billions successful but it was way before top gun or anything else showed. Movies could still make billions.

[@willschoonover8654]

I would love to see a bladerunner-style Spiderman 2099 movie!

[@LCCoyoteKid]

My local theater didn’t even take Kraven if that tells you anything

[@Jonothan-lt8no]

I enjoyed every last one of them