[NEWS] X-Transbots Menasor Trailer: Outrage or Opportunity?

[@jayvierra8672]

Oh and DX9 Dragstrip was just released. That info is all over the place. And I got the DX9 Motormaster for 140 from Bababobo. You don't have to get your stuff just from TFsource.

[@mp_reviews]

Hey, Jay. Thanks, man. Another lesson learned: do more research, or don't talk about it. LOL. Also, I buy all over the globe; I was just using TFSource and BigBadToyStore as references for U.S. pricing.

[@jayvierra8672]

@@mp_reviews Sorry man. Didn't mean to come off like a dink, after re-reading my comments. I get too caught up in the the FT haters. I buy bots from all three main lines, DX9, FT and XTB. And I know everyone has a pref. The wholes XTB price increase just tweaked me. I was in on the XTB Locke. And to release it at 30 dollars more than the third release price of Koot, they are just out of their minds. And I also had a Dr. Egg on pre-order... But man, I am not paying that for a 9 inch ok looking essentially a statue with a few low grade electronics... Then I saw your video. And just caught me already pissed with XTB. haha

[@mp_reviews]

@@jayvierra8672 No worries, Jay. Thanks for saying so, though. I'm no brand-loyalist. I go where the look, feel, and price of the character and my curiosity take me. I love my #FansToys Phoenix! That thing looks like what the cartoonists for the original TV show might have been basing their Jetfire character design on (instead of the other way around). You know what I mean? And I chose Fans Toys Quietus as my Cyclonus, because it looked like the best option for MY collection. Any frustration I have with Fans Toys now comes from how "toon-accurate" they're making them (but that's the trend anyway). My taste is different than what Fans Toys is making now. But I TOTALLY hear you about Dr. Egg not being worth $175!!! Whatever XTB's reason was for making that thing overly-complicated and high-priced, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if that, the Menasor Trailer and accessory kit, and Locke set #XTransbots back with the fan community for a while.

[@mfdoomtree3753]

Tfsource is a rip off!! Showz all the way!!

[@mp_reviews]

@MF DOOMTREE Um, okay. Point made. Your opinion has been noted. 👍

[@TheComicReliefCrusader]

North American retailers tagged on the extra cash for the trailer because this trailer is: 1) a bit heavy 2) shipping costs The actual price is $200 for the trailer like at Show Z Store! Dr. Egg is that price because it's mostly die-cast and packed with electronics and motors!

[@mp_reviews]

Mike! Good to see you jump in from Facebook! 👍 Thanks for the knowledge drop. I didn't know Dr. Egg was mostly die-cast! Holy crap. I still could've done without that and the motors if they would've given us a cheaper cost.

[@TheComicReliefCrusader]

@@mp_reviews I’m full of it!

[@mp_reviews]

@@TheComicReliefCrusader 😆

[@maxroberts1031]

great video really helped me decide which of the three to go for cause I've been thinking about it for a while but after watching your video I think I'm gonna have to go for the DX9 version

[@mp_reviews]

Hey, glad I could help! 👍 It sounds like you're on track to save yourself some money, but please be aware that some commentors have pointed out mistakes with my pricing. It's a tricky bit making the cost comparisons since prices can go up after the initial releases of each bot. However, I have recalculated prices based on those I found at ex.tfs-express.com , and DX9 still comes out as the most affordable option (see the updated video description).😁

[@dropdemon979]

Fan’s Toys Motormaster did not come with any combiner pieces, accessories or instructions on combining; All that will probably be released with or after deadends release.

[@mp_reviews]

🙏👍 Makes sense. Thanks for that input. I wonder what price FT's Motormaster would've been if they had included the combiner pieces.

[@jayvierra8672]

DX9 is my choice. But the pricing you are using from TFSource is the aftermarket type pricing. I have the preoder for dragstrip right now for 119. I got the wildrider for 110 and the white one for 110. From TF source. So be fair. That is not what FT cost if you bought it on the preorder and not the aftermarket limited availability type prices.

[@mp_reviews]

Awesome. Everybody should go with what they like. I wasn't trying to be unfair; the pricing I used from TFSource is an accidental mix of retail and aftermarket; I'll be more careful. Thanks to @michael mills for showing me that mistake. And I'm not trying to convince anyone that they need to got with XTB; it just happens to be what I went in on, and the trailer cost ticked me off, too.

[@NickLeb]

Show z had them for 89.99 and free shipping. But the shipping did take twice as long. Plus my account hasn't gotten hacked yet did happen twice with tf source. Just a warning

[@inflewence]

I'm probably late but, FT is including all combined parts with last bot. I'm in for both FT and XTB. I'm pissed at the XTB situation but still waiting for the trailer to get here lol. I think the price outrage for me is the quality aspect. XTB makes great figures but never been up to the quality of FT. They kind of "skipping the line" I'll pay the FT price because I know what I'm getting. I may be out on future XTB products. Just did a review on the Transform mission set.

[@mp_reviews]

👍 Thanks for watching and chiming in. Good point about XTB versus FT in the quality department; it's good to hear that thoughtful response since you appreciate both companies. We'll see if #Xtransbots prices come down in the future (hopefully). Would you mind posting your Transform Mission Menasor review link here? 🙏 Oh, and the first part of my XTB trailer and accessories review is up now if you want to see what you're missing so far 😆: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIa5iGaCi8uUgMU

[@suprasport9118]

Great video!! But I think Dx9 is 1st. The Dragstrip is already out. It was already out on Toydojo. We don't even know how much the Fanstoys is going to be at this point. Not to mention there all Sold Out everywhere. If you missed out on the Fanstoys Pre-orders, it's a wrap. To be honest imo that accessory kit is a must have to complete the Menasor. I agree Xtransbots over do it sometimes. Especially with the trailer Battle mode and the all the Gimmicks on the Dr. Egg. They look Fantastic! But you have to buy at least Quintesons. So your looking at over $400. Imo, that Havoc is not even an option. Specially if you have a toyworld constructor, or Zeta toys Kronos or Armageddon. Xtransbots looks absolutely fantastic, but they should of included that accessory pack with the trailer. Great video!!

[@mp_reviews]

Dude, thanks for the kind words. 🙏😁 And for the correction about DX9's Dragstrip (D17 Giuliano). 👍 Glad to hear you think XTB has been going overboard, too. I really dig the Havoc, but, you're right, out of the box, it doesn't scale with the current MP combiners standard.

[@suprasport9118]

@@mp_reviews no, I agree with everything you said. The Xtransbots Menasor looks absolutely beautiful. Unfortunately we just gonna have to bite the bullet this time around. I think it would of been not that bad if they included the Accessory pack with the trailer. That Fanstoys to be honest might be close to $900. We don't know how much the actual frame may cost, especially when you think of Fanstoys. There figures are solid and heavy because of the Diecast. So those Joints are going to have to be Rock Solid, if not...his not gonna be able to hold the weight or he maybe Topling over..we just don't know? ..But if there was ever a company that could pull it off ...its definitely Fanstoys.

[@mp_reviews]

@Supra Sport Yeah, definitely biting the bullet on this one from XTB. 😖 I totally agree with the idea of including the accessory kit with the trailer. They should've done that. I hope #XTransbots is listening to us fans about the crazy costs of Dr. Egg and Motormaster's trailer. So, it sounds like you'll be happy if Fans Toys does right by their Menasor. I just don't want to spend that much on the Stunticons.

[@nicholasstein2567]

Just a heads up showzstore has the Xtransbots trailer for 200 and the accessories pack for 65

[@mp_reviews]

Thanks for the tip! What's their shipping cost like?

[@nicholasstein2567]

@@mp_reviews are you in the United States? If so it’s usually free but can take up to 2 months sometimes for it to get delivered...but free shipping and no tax plus it’s already cheaper than the other U.S. Retailers so you wind up saving about $70 give or take.

[@alc4528]

So the deal with fanstoys is that motormaster 170, deadend will probably be 220 with the combiner parts, and the rest of the limb bots retailed for about 105-125.

[@mp_reviews]

😕 At those prices, #Xtransbots Menasor (with the accessory kit) would be coming WAAAY TOO CLOSE to Fans Toys all-in cost. #Xtransbots better be careful. It seems like what we're seeing with these three different brands is a classic example of three different buying audiences: (1) luxury buyers (Fans Toys), (2) mid-price buyers (#X-Transbots), and (3) bargain buyers (DX9). And I'm not saying that that means anyone's brand preference is inferior to another. I think it just might help explain why these three companies are so dominant right now in the 3rd-party arena. To the point of some commentors here, #Xtransbots better be careful treading into Fans Toys territory, if that's not what their usual customers are looking for from them.

[@fordfocusonme]

I'm surprised you didn't say anything about the actual size of the bots. You can say their "MP" scale but I think many would say the limb bots for XTB are a bit small. It's also believed that the XTB combine mode will also be shorter as well. So even though the prices are that far off the sizes are thus the lower prices for the limbs of XTB.

[@mp_reviews]

LOL, true. I might be surprised once I open them! 😁 I don't know yet what "MP-scale" means for the #XTransbots Stunticons. But the information I was able to find on combiner sizes was about 19.5"/50 cm for DX9 and about 19"/49 cm for XTB. Strangely, I couldn't find an approximate height for Fans Toys. But the two limb bots in XTB's combined mode do look small on Menasor's arms in comparison to the 1980's G1 cartoon and both the renders I found for DX9 and Fans Toys. That's why XTB added those fake car parts to the accessory kit they're selling in addition to the trailer.

[@Youwillnotlikemyopinion]

Really like the video, being subjective I'd never use TFsource prices, completely extortionate website. Personal site of choice is Show Z, just find them overall cheaper. Fanstoys 'apparently' will be including the combiner parts with the final limb bot & it'll be close to the teams leader price, not overly convinced though.

[@mp_reviews]

🙏 Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for sharing your opinion about TFSource and the tip about Show Z. Yeah, I'm hearing other people say similar things about Fans Toy's Menasor combiner parts and price of the final limb bot. That would be awesome if it came out to about the same price as their Motormaster. 🙂

[@cyrax2112]

Thank you for doing this comparison. I was really thrown for a loop when I saw the price of XTB. I was about to sell off my Stunticons and go another route. But this really puts it in perspective. Thanks again.

[@mp_reviews]

Hey John, I'm glad it helped. It still makes the Trailer and accessory kit a bitter pill to swallow. Also I've received good criticism from folks in the comments here about the prices I quoted not being accurate for Fans Toys, but I'm almost to the finish line with #Xtransbots Menasor myself, and I still wouldn't want DX9, and I don't want to got through the likely hassle and expense of getting Fans Toys bots at this point.

[@alc4528]

So I think why people are so upset is because DX9 released motormaster with the trailer/combing parts for 180, fanstoys is releasing their combined parts with a limb bot for 220, and finally XTB is releasing only the trailer/combing parts for 225. So I just don’t get why xtb’s trailer/combing parts is so expensive compared to everyone else

[@mp_reviews]

That would be a good reason to be upset. I don't know why the XTB trailer is so expensive, but I do know that I didn't need that trailer base mode. 👎 If having that was a major reason for the price, #Xtransbots shoulda left it out. 😑

[@theintangiblecog5157]

Hi, just fyi for anyone not in the know. But, the FansToys first release prices were lower than claimed in this video. They go as follows: FT Breakdown $100 USD; FT Motormaster $165/175 USD; FT Wildrider $110 USD; FT Dragstrip $125 USD; FT Dead End price unannounced. But rumor is, that FT Dead End will be coming with the combiner parts, and supposedly be around the same price as their Motormaster. So far that's $510 USD for the FT set, and possibly $685 to $785 USD when all is said and done. XTB full combiner is about $705/710 USD, that's including the accessories pack XTB said would come with the trailor at no extra charge (now untrue,) and may be necessary for a better combined mode. We're looking at maybe $25 less to just a poultry $80 more for the FT Menasor. And to be clear I started collecting from both companies, and the FT version is better quality for my money. But, it's okay if you disagree about who's is better; I just think people should be aware of more accurate information.

[@mp_reviews]

Thanks for sharing that knowledge. Shows how much #XTransbots screwed up with their build of Menasor. For the record, I wasn't claiming (but I was assuming) that the prices I found were the original retail prices. Where'd you source those original prices from?

[@theintangiblecog5157]

@@mp_reviews The prices were what I've paid on pre release of the 1st issuances (i.e. pre orders.) There is merit to what your saying though; for someone who wants in on these figures now, the after market prices have increased significantly. So, thoughtful consideration should be that persons frame of mind when choosing. I'm not going to say what someone should buy because it really depends on there preferences, whether it be price, fandom, quality, etc. I just like it when people can get what they truly want while knowing they made a well informed decision before hand.

[@theintangiblecog5157]

@@mp_reviews Op, sorry... Forgot to say where I got my figures from in my reply. The prices I paid were all from American E-tailers; TFSource, and ToyDojo. To my understanding all the American sites preoder prices, when talking specifically about the 1st release of each figure, were roughly the same... save for a couple of bucks here and there, or a coupon. I am aware that you can get collectables cheaper by going with overseas sellers too. But I'm specifically siting American pricing.

[@mp_reviews]

@The Intangible Cog Oh, cool. Good to know. Tracking down original pricing is apparently more tricky than I thought (@michael mills). 👍

[@mp_reviews]

@@theintangiblecog5157 Me, too. Whatever someone wants for their collection. I just hope that my experience with collecting might help. 😊

[@sgisaza]

really digging the content.. thank u... what are your thoughts on DX9 closing doors?.. I feel 2021 is going to be slow in figure release.. I am going to concentrate on how to display my pieces... ikea & moducases are going to be getting my business nxt yr.. keep these vids coming.. thanks again!

[@mp_reviews]

Hey, thanks for watching! I don't know the news about DX9. Is that the rumor? I hope 2021 isn't slow. There's so much that can still be done. I hope this XTB trailer/accessory mess doesn't slow #Xtransbots down in releasing the other Quintesson characters after Dr. Egg. But they could simplify what they offer (motorized? really?). For display, I've got a bunch of #IkeaDetolfs, and I've got a #Moducase on order that's supposed to be here this month! Can't wait for that.

[@miaouew]

Glad I went with DX9. I love it. Also Dragstrip is out right now. Waiting for it to arrive in the mail.

[@mp_reviews]

Yeah, no unpleasant surprises for you. Thanks for that correction about Dragstrip; my mistake. Enjoy combining Menasor while I'm still waiting for my trailer. 😆👍

[@dropdemon979]

That can’t be true, DX9’s Dragstrip isn’t even available for pre-order. Someone’s ripping u off.

[@aldrinabesamis8098]

same here,,

[@darkaeons21]

If people had a better idea in the beginning that it might only cost 45 more to get FT, I bet xbt would have lost a lot of sales. I have all xtb stunticons by the way. I think the trailor for dx9 being longer is a minor point because most people will combine it. And you made the point for a lot of mad people the the xtb trailer cost the same for the motor master and trailer for dx9.

[@mp_reviews]

Yeah, I think all companies are going to need to do better in how they communicate what the ultimate cost might be, like start with the most expensive piece, or just offer it as a box set from the beginning. The DX9 trailer length is just a detail that led to me choosing #Xtransbots, as I like my bots to look fairly realistic in their alt modes. I'm glad I could call out XTB for collectors on the cost of their trailer compared to DX9's Motormaster which CAME WITH THE TRAILER FOR THE SAME PRICE! 🙂✌️

[@Mrpeppino444]

So happy i went with dx9! Already completed it! And its the one that looks better! Am i the only one here?! Nice review!

[@mp_reviews]

Haha, nice. To each their own. Nice to have it on your shelf though, I bet. 😆👍

[@YasapYaakov018]

Same here

[@dropdemon979]

How could you complete the DX9 menasor, they haven’t released their version of Dragstrip yet!

[@Mrpeppino444]

@@dropdemon979 lol of course they did! Check tf robots! Where i purchased it! If you want one they still have it online available! Otherwise i can sell you one as i purchased two!

[@philippotter2569]

I've paid £55 for breakdown £59 for dead end £60 for dragstrip £57 for wild rider and £179 for a motormaster pre-order all including postage £410 in total ($551.25) this for the dx9 set

[@mp_reviews]

Postage included?!? Good deal! That's a heck of a lot cheaper than I found prices for on TFSource. Where do you buy from?

[@philippotter2569]

@@mp_reviews bababobo00712.com/ for the pre-order of motormaster and bought the rest from eBay just set the location to worldwide to get more options usually find it cheaper

[@primus699]

Good thing I can afford fans toys, better quality you get what you pay for. Amd I rather pay for quality

[@mp_reviews]

Yeah, you gotta go with what you want in your collection. I don't care which company it comes from as long as I like it. 😁👍

[@miyinan]

Fanstoys has already said that the final bot will include all combiner parts which will certainly cost more. They never said how much more but one would assume the final bot will be at least the same price of their motormaster.

[@mp_reviews]

Thanks for sharing that info. 👍 That's going to stink for those few Deadend collectors out there who don't care about Menasor. 😆 But, expecting a price around Motormaster's seems reasonable.

[@davidez4640]

Beside the outrageous trailer price, all re- releases of past figures also tend to cost like double the price they had... and they are older figures! As for new figures are they really expecting to buy a Kup from them that is more expensive than Fantoys one? We all know the quality won't be comparable with that

[@mp_reviews]

I never knew about XTB price increases for releases. Hmmm, interesting. Yeah, a point for you on the scoreboard about the price/quality question. I didn't realize XTB's Kup was that much more expensive that Fans Toys' Kup, but price can also be a result of where and when. I just found prices on Fans Toys Kup ranging from $100 to $200.

[@davidez4640]

@@mp_reviews Well yes, you always need to compare the pre-order price, cause in the secondary market price might increase due to scarcity or demand. I use ShowZ as reference, their Hoist used to cost 86$ years ago, now they are selling it at 130, their Scourge and sweeps trio used to cost 294$ and now costs 399$. A big price increase for figures who are also pretty old. Plus asking 179$ for a non-transforming Quintesson is also pretty outrageous, it's just an egg with faces, they tryed to justify it with lights and motorization pretty much no one cares for.

[@mp_reviews]

@@davidez4640 Yeah, I definitely wasn't asking for XTB to give me a motorized, light-up, non-transforming Quintesson. Quintesson? Yes. $100+? Never even imagined it. So you bring up an interesting topic: should the pre-order price be the price which is considered the original retail price, or should the price the item is when it is officially released be considered the original retail price? Given what you're saying about the price adjustments going up with e-tailers as time goes on, it might be difficult to figure out what the "original retail price" was for an item. This is easier to do with official Hasbro/Takara (and any other official brand sold at U.S. retailers), because they provide that price to the retailers, and it would be bad business for companies to have volatile prices on things. What are your thoughts? What should we as Fans consider the original retail price?

[@Sideswipe5236]

Agabyss is a great route to run, plus when Fanstoys MM came out I payed $170 for it, and when Fanstoys Breakdown and Wildrider came out I payed $100 a piece for those, so a drop right there taking account for what prices were before trump and his hate for china. And Dx9 Dragstrip already released. Good video though, I enjoyed it. Thanks.

[@mp_reviews]

Thanks for checking out the video! 👍 Did you buy them all from Agabyss? Thanks for the correction about DX9 Dragstrip. I'm definitely hearing that a lot. My bad. 😆

[@Sideswipe5236]

@@mp_reviews yup, all from Agabyss

[@mp_reviews]

@@Sideswipe5236 One last question: were these pre-order prices?

[@PicklerEntertainment]

Yeah, your FT pricing is based on the secondary releases. For those of us who were able to purchase the items for retail, the pricing was much lower. The original retail for these figures was $199.99 for Roadking. Spoiler was $104.99. Magnum was $114.99 which was raised $10 due to Covid and Shipping increases. It's original price was $104.99 like Spoiler. Then we have Smokey which is $129.99, which we should receive soon. These are all based on my paid-for pricing. Current estimates have the last figure, which will contain the remaining parts needed to complete their combiner, at around the $199.99 mark. So its $750.00 for the FT version. As for XT, I'm showing XT at $715 w/ their Trailer and Accessories pack.

[@mp_reviews]

Thanks for the FT price corrections as you experienced them. 🙏 All told, it does seem like the final cost for the #XTransbots line-up is going to be far too close to #FansToys for my liking. But I do often like what #Xtransbots does, and I honestly like the overall aesthetics of their version of Menasor better than either DX9 or FT. 👍

[@PicklerEntertainment]

@@mp_reviews Yeah I get that... When it comes to these releases, I always go back to the beginning. During those initial releases it was said that XT was going to be the budget friendly version with Dx-9 coming in the middle, then FT being the most expensive. And, even more recently they said all those added pieces were to be included w/ the trailer package. So they really messed things up with this release, which is unfortunate. But, after seeing Ben's video, I have some major concerns w/ their trailer. For me personally, I like the added details found in their release, more than the Dx-9 version. But, I prefer the proportions, stability and size of the Dx-9 option more than the XT version. XT's smaller size and weird proportions are big issues for me. So, now it's up to FT... I'm really hoping FT can give us the added details like the XT option with the size, proportions and stability of the Dx-9 release... So my fingers remain crossed.

[@mp_reviews]

@Shodaximus As long as FT doesn't pull an XTB move and redesign their line-up into a consumer headache, right? 😁 You know what I just heard? XTB's Motormaster ISN'T EVEN NECESSARY for the Menasor Combiner mode!!! I'll be able to confirm or refute that soon since I just received my copy of the trailer and the accessory kit. 👍

[@PicklerEntertainment]

@@mp_reviews From what I've seen... Their MM isn't necessary from a visible standpoint. But, I do believe there are some tabs, on top, in the back, and on the rear sides, that make the combiner mode more stable... But, you can probably get him in a standard A-pose and be okay without him...

[@mp_reviews]

@@PicklerEntertainment Oh brother. 🙄 Well, I’ll report on the XTB combined mode soon.

[@dare2727]

xtb cost is a combination of bad business decisions i.e. redesigning the height to be in scale with zeta and underpricing the first bots to stop them from being ko'ed. transformission combined mode is iffy at best. the ankles are very cool engineering but not functional at all. sidenote dx9 is the first to finish. their dragstrip is shipping now. great video

[@mp_reviews]

Is that why their first bots were so (relatively) cheap? That's amazing. Thanks for the heads-up about Transform Mission Havoc's combined mode. And, yeah, I was wrong about XTB crossing the finish line first. Thanks for the kind correction. Haha. 🙂👍

[@donovanjd3]

I fell slapped in the face by xtransbots. I will never buy another product of theirs again.

[@mp_reviews]

It was a shock to be sure. 😲 "Never" is a long time. Are you really that mad at them?

[@spolknopp]

I feel the same. They are charging FT money but is not close to FT quality. Never XTB again.

[@dropdemon979]

Same here, I’m down w/Fans Toys & DX9.

[@javilopez2515]

The only thing I've considered is price,cost,shipping and taxes. I went to transformission havoc love the set!!. For the price. The others look fantastic but expensive. If you got the cash to there do it. Overall I'm satisfied with my purchase. Thanks for the review really helps.

[@mp_reviews]

Awesome! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment. 😀🙏Glad I could help. I picked up Transformission Havoc, too. Haven't opened it yet. Thanks for the insight.😁👍

[@nashtatersgaming7450]

Great video. You did your research and it showed. As a new youtuber myself, I have learned that people really enjoy videos where people rid of their "uhs" and "ums." I suggest perhaps spend more time editing. Keep it up!

[@mp_reviews]

Glad you liked the video! And thanks for the editing suggestion. 👍 Limiting the "uhs" and "ums" is definitely a challenge. It looks like your channel's rocking it! Congrats! 😁

[@nashtatersgaming7450]

@@mp_reviews Takes a long ass time. In the beginning I was doing tons of uhs and ums and any other types of pauses. Over time you just have to pre write some scripts for some content. I enjoy free willing and ad libing though myself, but the nervous tick is a thing, you see like pro announcers do it as well, A LOT. But over time we can fix it. Keep the videos coming, I am a big collector myself.

[@mp_reviews]

@Nashtaters Gaming Awesome. Thanks for being a part of my collecting experience. Let's both keep up the good video work. 😅👍

[@NickLeb]

I shopped with show.z and paid 160 for motor master. 80 for wildrider and breakdown. And 90 for dragstrip and dead-end. So I paid around 500 hundred for the set. And motormaster used to be a double trailer so the long trailer doesn't bother to much. And they have the xtransbot trailer for 200 if you wanna save 30 dollars. They shipping will take a while though.

[@mp_reviews]

Alright, you got the DX9 set for a decent price. Nice! I like Show.Z. Thanks for the buying tip! I just discovered a combo deal of the XTB Trailer with the accessory kit at TFS Express for $200 + shipping ( ex.tfs-express.com/x-transbots/-466-x-transbots-mx-12b-gravestone-trailer-mx-12c-accessory-pack.html )!

[@NickLeb]

Thanks for the tip. I am collecting all 3 sinse menasor and surperion are my favorites. Not fond of the add on set though. Is it just me or does it make dragstrip's wheels look upside down and to long!?

[@bigfanboi]

I should have gone with the DX9 because of the trailer turning into the frame...for me that would be only two more bots for the arms...not that I wouldn't feel like its incomplete, but if I dont see the bots I wouldn't be so pressed. Now I'll just wait...I can feel a box set coming by one of these companies.

[@mp_reviews]

It does seem like DX9 packaged things right in comparison to both #Xtransbots and #FansToys. I mean, if XTB had sold their Motormaster with his trailer ('cuz, let's be honest, that IS the complete character) that price would be at least $300 with PRE-ORDER prices (Trailer - $169 @ ohmyprimus.com ; Motormaster - $130 @ TFSource). Boxed sets of all Stunticon lines would be GREAT!! 😄

[@halieus56]

I heard a rumor that Fanstoys will come with the Mensaor body with Deadend. I doubt it will come in at the $100 range.

[@mp_reviews]

Yeah, how could it if it has the combiner parts with it?👍

[@YasapYaakov018]

First comment of XTB being the first is wrong. DX9 is first and cheapest at a total preorder not secondary cost of $450.00. This is inline with Zeta Combiner.

[@mp_reviews]

Yeah, you're right about XTB not being first; my mistake. Good point about DX9. I wasn't trying to mislead anyone, just trying to show that people who bought XTB weren't as bad off as it might seem, though I definitely don't agree with the trailer price and don't really like the fact that you have to buy an additional accessory pack to get extra Menasor and Motormaster faces.

[@pqdzzz]

dear god, 229? FOR A TRAILER?? I get that it transforms and all but atleast other offers had trailers

[@mp_reviews]

I know, right? But it's still not what Fans Toys is gonna cost.

[@marcgriner9263]

My question is when did you get these prices? I am looking now at dx9 and individual ones are over $100...Dead End alone is $130 on TF Source

[@mp_reviews]

Yeah, though I did get the $100 prices for the DX9 limb bots from TFSource.com, I assume the price for Dead End must be rising like a couple of commentors have pointed out tends to happen with the Fans Toys bots over time.

[@marcgriner9263]

@@mp_reviews yeah I've actually found a website is cheaper, still around $75-85, so I might order.

[@mp_reviews]

@@marcgriner9263 Cool! Would you mind sharing which site it is?

[@marcgriner9263]

@@mp_reviews Well it is TFSource but its not dx9's version its the XTransbots version. They have 2 versions of all of them some are preorder and some are out now. But they are cheaper than dx9.

[@mp_reviews]

@@marcgriner9263 If you’re going the XTB route, it might be worth looking into the trailer and/or accessory pack at ex.tfs-express.com . They have the trailer for $150! And the accessory kit for $49! I bought both, and the only trick was the tax/shipping cost of $80.

[@roosjen]

Just saying, the Motormaster toy had a small Roller-like car included. That’s the “6th robot” on the Devastation-Menasor.

[@mp_reviews]

Haha, cool. Thanks for sharing the knowledge! 👍

[@acampbel26]

Exactly. Just like the original G1 figure.

[@Wildstrike277]

Huh. So that’s where that extra car came from.

[@davidez4640]

I have the normal version of Transformission Menasor and i got a 3d printed addon to make it a bit taller and to extend the shoulders, pretty nice

[@mp_reviews]

Cool! 👍 Where'd you get the add-on? Shapeways.com?

[@davidez4640]

@@mp_reviews i think so it was years ago

[@mp_reviews]

@Davide Z Thanks for the info! 🙏

[@bradkrekelberg8624]

Fanstoys Motormaster didn't come with ANY combiner parts. They will need another Menasor frame over and above Motormaster, just like XTB.

[@mp_reviews]

Oh shoot! Seriously? Oof! Thanks for that information.

[@davidkubitzki8082]

Yup, everyone seems to miss that detail. That and you can guarantee it will be at least as expensive as the txb trailer.

[@jayvierra8672]

@@davidkubitzki8082 The combiner parts have been announced to come with the last limb bot. It might be more. But it will still be purchase of 5 unless the rumors are wrong.

[@acampbel26]

@@jayvierra8672 I can confirm that too. Not sure about the price of Deadend though.

[@lowellmartens6135]

@@jayvierra8672 It's supposed to be about the same price as their Motormaster.

[@bobby101a]

Bencollectibles has Monolith the add -on is mainly for the X-transbots toy version . So not required unless you want it. Fanstoys you will need to buy a seperate trailer according from Tman was reading from the owner of FansToys so it will be 800.00 + would be realistic .

[@mp_reviews]

Thanks for sharing that knowledge from Ben's Collectables. That's good to know, but, if you don't get the accessory kit, you don't get the extra Menasor and Motormaster faces. 😔 About FansToys, are you saying that the entire set will be $800+ according to TMan978?

[@bobby101a]

@@mp_reviews Yes FansToys when said and done will be around 800.00 Fanstoys with motormaster and the three limb bots about 635.00 so far. add 129.99 for the 4th and second trailer that will give G1 or IDW version. EST 160.00 because it's FansToys. So 800-900 in that area . DX9 so far is the cheapest of the 3 companies.

[@mp_reviews]

@@bobby101a Alright, we have more data. I ran comparisons of prices using costs from ex.TFS-Express.com, and DX9 is definitely the best price. It'll be interesting to see what the final cost comparisons are, but I'm sticking with XTB.

[@bobby101a]

@@mp_reviews I just bought the trailer myself I went in this far

[@mp_reviews]

@jokerkidone 😆 I know what you mean.

[@RID01S]

I think I might go with the Transformission option, that thing looks badass

[@mp_reviews]

I know, right?!? In these comments somewhere I think someone said that there were 3D-printed upgrades for it, too, when it was new to the market to make it taller.👍

[@Khanmanlol]

I thing I hate about the Stunticon/Menasor 3rd party figures is that they treat the limbs as plug-ons to already-existing limbs of Menasor and not full limbs. Say what you will about Combiner Wars, but it did give the limbs of Menasor the distinction of being ACTUAL limbs and not just "addons."

[@mp_reviews]

Agreed. Talk about a "parts-former", right? To be fair, though, Menasor is shown in the G1 cartoon as if the arms bots are just kinda snapped on (tfwiki.net/wiki/Menasor_(G1) ). Lazy design or animation. 😑

[@Khanmanlol]

@@mp_reviews There are some cases where I prefer show or comic interpretation (like BW and such), while other times I prefer closer to toy aesthetic (like a Bruticus with a silver chestplate).

[@mp_reviews]

@Khanmanlol I hear you. I'm no fanatic for how things looked in the cartoon. I prefer my Masterpiece TFs to look as realistic as possible while not sacrificing their G1 bot mode resemblances.🙂

[@lowellmartens6135]

Your outrage is still justified. They pulled the bait and switch at the end, and their quality is just not that good. Pulling people in with a affordable price and then getting it all out of you in the back end without forewarning. Kieth sold the first ones cheap to shake off a KO company. There is no justification to then turn around and pay your customers back by supporting you by punishing us. I am out for not just combining this set but I am out from purchasing XTB. This is just not a good way to build loyalty in your fan base. I wish I would have gone in on the DX9 as my second set (first set is FTs). Maybe DX9 will put out an all in one set. The Dr Egg first started souring me on XTB. I passed on that on will continue to pass. Their prices are going above FTs and they are just not that good of quality. Thanks for the discussion.

[@mp_reviews]

Thanks for being a part of the discussion. 🙏👍 Yeah, I'm definitely not happy with the over-engineering and price of that trailer. But I'm not convinced their intent was bad, or if they just hadn't planned well-enough to deal with the competitive race between them, DX9, and FansToys along with the impact of the worldwide pandemic (which has affected shipping prices and manufacturing globally). I think COVID-19 should be taken into account when comparing #XTB 's previous prices with their newer ones. However, I'm not saying that they didn't raise their prices a little further than needed; they could have decided to try to shift their brand perception into a higher-end product than they've been seen as in the past by raising prices; if this is the case, it's obviously backfiring. However, the G1 MP-scale products they've been teasing over the past 1-2 years have all grabbed my attention (Dr. Egg, Autobot X, Locke, and most-recently the Quintesson Prosecutor), and I do prefer their style to the more boxy and, generally, more plain look of #FansToys 's recent "toon-accurate" releases and teases.

[@lowellmartens6135]

@@mp_reviews, that's fair. It just feel disingenuous to load the back end so heavily, especially when it raises the combiner price over DX9s. Their quality is just not high enough for me to justify that price. I can, right now, on EBay, order all the entire DX9 combiner for about $525, and it does not need an add on kit. I was mostly in on XTB because I respected the place Kieth was in and his response to it. I would have even been fine if he would have raised the individual bots as they came out, but if they came with FTs pricing, I would have been out. I don't like their aesthetic more then FTs, and definitely find the quality to be quite a bit less. I also was out on Dr Egg. I don't "play" with my figures, so I don't need all the electronics. I could not justify the price on that figure either. I don't believe they had bad intentions, just bad business decisions that they are getting their fans to more then pay for. It is not their customers fault they designed their combiner too small. Toy Worlds Devy was already out their to set the scale. It was their bad decision to make it too small, thus requiring them to redesign it. Good discussion though.

[@mp_reviews]

@lowell martens Haha, thank YOU for this discussion. 👍 We fans are all in this together. Great insights and knowledge #Xtransbots. Fans Toys prices for X-Transbots would definitely make me think twice. I actually hadn't known that the KO issue was why the limb bot prices were so low. That's amazing. Without that knowledge, the trailer price and the accessory kit can definitely look like a greedy cash grab, basically seeming like XTB was holding the final combined version for ransom. I'm with you, though; I don't suspect that their intentions for us as customers were bad. 🙂

[@wonderbread9038]

The price is completely outrageous! First off there is no comparison between FT and xtb. I purchased the xtb bots because of a great balance between price and quality. I am happy with my purchases and don't regret making them. BUUT, I cannot support xtb in selling the trailer at that crazy price nor can I justify buying a separate accessory set which adds to the cost. If they were to have spread the cost between the set it would have probably been more palatable for some people. However, by increasing the price per bot this would have priced them closer to the other sets; and personally I would have purchaesd FT or DX9 instead.

[@mp_reviews]

Hey Wonder Bread, you're right, the price is outrageous. 💲😲💲 I don't know about you, but I just wanted to be able to complete the XTB combine mode. I didn't need the stupid trailer to be a battle station as well. It seems like they over-engineered the trailer maybe to try to justify the price. I think you're right about spreading the cost out over the entire line. We all would've had a more realistic idea of what kind of final cost we were looking at. I hope this is a #3rdpartymasterpiecescale lesson for every company in the industry, and I hope third-party companies can afford to develop their entire lineup upfront so there aren't these kind of broken promises and unpleasant surprises. I still prefer #XTransbots overall Stunticons/Menasor aesthetic to DX9, so I'm sticking it out with XTB. But they need to take a hard look at themselves and their high prices for needlessly complex products (e.g., the trailer and their Quintesson Judge, Dr. Egg). 😕

[@wonderbread9038]

@@mp_reviews I like my xtb set very much however I have to speak with my wallet and I hope xtb is seeing this. I will NOT be buying the trailer! XTB dropped the ball big time. That being said I am satisfied with displaying my set as individual bots due to thier size they look great next to the mp autobot cars. Happy New Year!

[@mp_reviews]

@Wonder Bread Makes sense. Protesting by not buying definitely sends a message. I hope #XTransbots is hearing ALL of us. I haven't unboxed ANY of my XTB Stunticons yet, so thanks for the info that they look good next to the MP Autobot car bots! Happy new year to you, too. May it be a better year than the last.🙂👍

[@magnusprime27]

Deadend is more cos of led for headlight

[@mp_reviews]

Thanks for joining the conversation. 👍 Which brand’s Dead End are you talking about?

[@magnusprime27]

@@mp_reviews xtransbots

[@robertdahne8972]

I was in on the X-Transbots because it was less expensive than the others. All told, Motormaster is over $400. I think the 'outrage' is that we were all expecting it to be cheaper overall. I got the first figure for $39.99 when it came out, then they slowly increased the prices, until Motormaster was over ten times the cost of the first one I bought. Plus, on their facebook page they said the accessories were included with the trailer, and now they are not. When these companies put out figures one at a time, we are all taking a huge risk that they will still be around to complete the set, which could be years away. And we pray that the next bot that comes out will at least be similar in price to the ones we've already bought. We have to trust that they will not gouge us, and for the most part, they have not, until now. They are coming out with a Defensor, and I am hesitant to invest now. It's not like we can wait and see what happens, because if we don't buy in the beginning, it may be too late by the time the last one comes out to get the first. It is structured to get you hooked, then it's too late to stop, or you've invested for nothing, and can only hope you can resell without a loss, if you want out out.

[@mp_reviews]

Agreed; the outrage I felt was from feeling like I had been bait-and-switched. 🎣 The prices were fine until then. If the trailer had come with the accessories and had cost $200, that still probably would've stung a little, but it would've been A LOT easier to swallow. Going back on their word about the accessories being a part of the trailer purchase was definitely a mis-step and something they shouldn't EVER promise lightly about again if they want to retain loyal customers. I agree that we have had to be trusting of these companies to deliver and NOT to gouge us. Us fans take a big risk in committing to a Combiner lineup which could die before it's completed. I hope this is a #3rdpartymasterpiecescale lesson for every company in the industry, and I hope third-party companies can afford to develop their entire lineup upfront so there aren't these kind of broken promises and unpleasant surprises. Price hikes due to events outside of a company's control like a worldwide pandemic or a sudden shortage of materials are things we can't really blame a company for (within reason), but #XTB needs to take a hard look at themselves and their high prices for needlessly complex products (e.g., the trailer and their Quintesson Judge, Dr. Egg). 😕

[@robertdahne8972]

@@mp_reviews For Dr. Egg, it's just one price, no surprises, they could have sold a non electronic version for less. At least they didn't sell us a face at a time, then charge us $300 for the body.

[@mp_reviews]

@Robert Dahne LOL! 😁 Point taken.

[@darthcoconut]

Just to let you know a few things, Fans Toys' last bot release will include all of the torso and accessories to make-up the Menasor combiner. This was confirmed by Fans Toys themselves just under a year ago. It is projected that their Bandit (Dead End) will be of a similar price point as their Roadking. I don't think there is any more accessories for DX9's Menasor. Their remaining Dragstrip completes the set. There is a video from China that shows the full set and combined. It's a 6 minute 40 sec video. KZbin link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGTGoqppipd9oLs Cheers

[@mp_reviews]

👍 Thanks for sharing the knowledge! Soon(?) the Menasor race will be over. 😆

[@rickys.creations1120]

All they want now from us is money first they started cheap and now that we are hooked we’ll prices go up!

[@mp_reviews]

I think it goes deeper than that. And by "deeper" I mean it seems likely that #XTransbots dug themselves in to a hole while developing the Berserkars lineup. And then they HAD to ask for more money in order to stay in business. I heard that Ben's Collectables (kzbin.info) had something to say about this.

[@nicholasstein2567]

I can eventually get over the outrageously high price of Xtransbots’ Menasor, but if after I purchase it and receive it in my hands...if there is something wrong with that combined mode after all of this time and money, I will freak the hell out. lol

[@mp_reviews]

LOL. I understand where you're coming from. 😆 XTB still won't be as expensive as Fan💲 Toy💲, though.

[@nicholasstein2567]

@@mp_reviews yea I know...I ended up going with Xtransbots’ Menasor because I liked them better than the others companies...and I got some good deals on all of the stunticons so it won’t be as big as a hit to my wallet as some others...I’m up to $355 for the cost of all of the stunt icons so far.

[@mp_reviews]

@Nicholas Stein Nice! Care to share where you got those deals? 😆

[@nicholasstein2567]

@@mp_reviews I got Motormaster from showzstore for $112 by preordering when it first became available...one of my tricks is...if you think that your gonna be interested in purchasing a figure from showzstore preorder it as soon as it’s available because they always give you the lowest price that it was ever marked at on their site and you get it for that price even if the price starts to increase on their site, your locked in for the lowest price...also you can always cancel your preorder and turn your deposit into store credit if you end up changing your mind...it’s just that you have to cancel your order before then balance is due or else you lose your deposit if you change your mind on buying it.

[@mp_reviews]

@Nicholas Stein Great #preorderhack! Thanks for those buying insights for ShowZstore.com . 👍

[@JoseFlores-xc7wu]

In your video you forgot to tell the people that the FT figures yeah they are more expensive but they are also bigger than xtransbot and some people are having a lot of qc problems with their xtransbot stunticons. The price on that trailer is too ridiculous and I don't think it was worth all the changes they made to it just to add a few cm to the height of Menasor plus it doesn't look as good as the first version they show

[@mp_reviews]

Good points, Jose. I wasn't trying to do a detailed comparison of everything, though. Just trying to share my thoughts on XTB's crazy trailer price since I was already in on their Menasor.

[@wisemenbough1]

I have ALL of the DX9 STUNTICONS

[@mp_reviews]

Awesome. I'm down with everyone collecting what they want. I'm still going with #Xtransbots on their Menasor, but that trailer price was not a small pill to swallow. 😖😵😆👍

[@zamuelwartower459]

The price for the trailer is fine its the seperating the accessories for extra cost that is a scumbag move.

[@mp_reviews]

Do you think #Xtransbots just didn't plan for their line-up well? The accessory kit looks like a mixed bag of things that should've come with the Motormaster truck and things that could've come with the trailer. It seems like an after-thought and that they didn't want the trailer to be $300+ if they included all of that (like they should've).

[@zamuelwartower459]

@@mp_reviews maybe X-transbots gauging the market seeing what collectors will fork over. I mean they did pay a lot for mp-44 but that is Optimus Prime. If the numbers are low for preorder maybe they will lower the price to what it was suppose to be, or maybe Xtransbots is invested in better manufacturing equipment and qc and is ready to compete and feels they are asking a fair price for this product. We will see I know for a fact I will not preorder this and wait for the release to see what the community thinks about this product. Maybe X-transbots really stepped up there game maybe not only time will tell.

[@THEWATCHERISLOOKING]

Wonder how a Toyworld will be.

[@mp_reviews]

I don't know. Could be cool. But, for me, they'd need to nail the bot modes and combiner mode. And, so far, I'm relatively happy with XTB's version.😁👍

[@m1v111]

tfm havoc still the best deal for a menasor

[@mp_reviews]

So, you have one? I can't wait to see the metallic version in-hand! I'm going to look into 3D-printed parts to make him taller, too.👍

[@howardle1798]

Actually Spoiler was 110, magnum was 95 -124 initially, those prices you showed were 2ndary/reissue hikes due to ebay prices. Getting tired of chinese companies getting greedy and asking too much for these toys..

[@mp_reviews]

Ahhh... an ebay influence, you say? That makes sense. Thanks for the corrections on the #FansToys prices. 👍 If it's true that there are more of us collector's now than in the past couple of years, and with the effects of COVID-19 on economies everywhere, then it'll be interesting to see how high prices go. 😕

[@romanov3937]

G1 Menasor was basically Motormaster using his subordinates as armor.

[@mp_reviews]

😆 I can see that! 👍

[@darkharleydavisdongang418]

I Will buy the FT MENASOR OFF COURSE !

[@mp_reviews]

Haha, cool. You must have deep pockets, my friend.

[@walkers198]

13:40 canceled my Egg immediately when I saw that price. 😂

[@mp_reviews]

Hopefully #Xtransbots gets the message. 😆👍

[@reymed1670]

Lol they can keep it

[@mp_reviews]

Hear that #Xtransbots ?

[@asaphmartinez4225]

Motormaster doesn't come with anything just trailer. Fanstoys r expensive but u get ur $$s worth im in on all of them. U should check Showzstore and Toydojo they r way cheaper than Tfsource. I've spent thousands @Tfsource an had i known about Showzstore @the time I would've saved alot of $. Dragstrip is out for dx9 @Showzstore he's been out for 2weeks now

[@mp_reviews]

🙏 Thanks for sharing the wisdom of your collecting experience and the knowledge about Dragstrip. I was definitely mistaken about that (as people keep telling me). 😆 One question: are you talking about Fans Toys' Motormaster not coming with anything except the trailer?

[@asaphmartinez4225]

@@mp_reviews yeah motormaster comes just with the trailer attached part of transformation. Dead-end supposedly will come with the combiner parts

[@mp_reviews]

@Asaph Martinez Thanks for the clarification. 👍 What are XTB, FT, and DX9 gonna compete about after Menasor? 😆

[@johnbirkenmaier6641]

So FansToys is the ultimate choice just for paint, sculpt, and quality. That comes at a higher price. Xtransbots did say to fans that all the accessories were going to be included with their redesigned trailer. So it’s a cash grab by Xtransbots. FansToys Motormaster only came with a gun, sword, and an extra face. All combiner parts are coming with their Dead End. Xtransbots quality is far lower to FansToys. They were a cheaper option, for fans, and they asked us to purchase them to prevent them from getting Ko’ed. It’s tough to compare two different companies with the same figures. We third party fans like quality. We pay more for it. This was a bad move for Xtransbots, and I won’t be getting their Protectobots over this hike in costs.

[@mp_reviews]

Hey John, so it sounds like you like(d) both #FansToys and #XTransbots up to this point? Me, too. 👍 I go where the look, feel, and price of the character and my curiosity take me. I love my #FansToys Phoenix! That thing looks like what the cartoonists for the original TV show might have been basing their Jetfire character design on (instead of the other way around). And I chose Fans Toys Quietus as my Cyclonus, because it looked like the best option for MY collection. Any frustration I have with Fans Toys now comes from how "toon-accurate" they're making them (but that's the trend anyway). My taste is simply different than what Fans Toys is making now. Though XTB's trailer debacle initially felt like a cash grab to me, too, I'm not convinced that XTB intended to do us dirty like that. Going back on their word about the accessories being a part of the trailer purchase was definitely a mis-step and something they shouldn't EVER promise lightly about again if they want to retain loyal customers. But I wonder if they simply backed themselves into a corner with the design of Menasor altogether (the arm bots in combined mode DO look small compared to the animation model, which pretty much necessitated offering those car shells in the "accessory" kit to make the bots look bigger) and with the low price points for the limb bots. XTB's Menasor would've been fine without the car shells in the accessory kit, but it seems like their plan for executing changed mid-course. I don't think it was an intentional greedy cash grab as much as it was desperation to remain relevant and profitable in the "toon-aesthetic" market. After all, profits are the only reason they can continue to give us new products. 😁💸 Not that that changes the initial gut-punch feel of the costs of #Xtransbots MX-XIIB Menasor Trailer and MX-XIIC Accessory Kit.

[@monkeyguy80]

Fanstoys are always very expensive! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mp_reviews]

But they do have a good reputation for quality. It's usually true that you get what you pay for. I just don't care for their current "toon-aesthetic". But, truth be told, I don't like the "toon -aesthetic" Takara is doing with their new Seekers either.

[@acampbel26]

One of the most thorough, concise and well made comparison videos I've seen so far about the whole Menasor wars situation. Kudos.

[@mp_reviews]

I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's awesome that we fans have so many options out there. If it was left up to Hasbro/Takara alone, where would our collections be?

[@carlsommerfeld3207]

Shows and oh my Primus have had the best prices for the overrated xtb

[@mp_reviews]

😆 "Overrated xtb"! Next time, maybe I'll be able to save some more money. Thanks for the heads-up. 👍 I haven't bought anything from OMP yet. How's their service and shipping speeds?😆

[@primus699]

Dx9....please, the trailer is horrible, its longer then my arm.

[@mp_reviews]

Yeah, I couldn't get onboard with that super long trailer either. It didn't look realistic to me (and not accurate to the G1 cartoon character's trailer either).

[@denisscheer7118]

I think you are wrong. DX9 already finished their menasor. And is way looking better and not so outrageous expensive €230,00 euro. And it is only on Pre Order the Xtransbots. When will you ever display the cars. Never I guess. Only the bots or the combined one. Only one question remain. Where did you get your info on the dragstrip DX9 release date 2021 / 2022??? In a few word. XTRANSBOTS JUST swindled us with their combiner. Every one was expensive then the one before. And then they hit you with this one.

[@mp_reviews]

Thanks for your comment, Denis. I was wrong about X-Transbots being the first to finish their #Menasor lineup. Others have corrected me about that, too, but thanks for pointing out the inaccuracy. 👍 I got the mistaken idea that DX9 Dragstrip wasn't going to be available until late 2021 from the TFSource listing (tfsource.com/dx9/d17-giuliano/) which stated that Dragstrip was a pre-order item. My assumption was that he hadn't been released yet, but I guess that listing was for a restock of the character. Though XTB's trailer debacle initially felt like a cash grab to me, too, I'm not convinced that XTB intended to swindle us. I wonder if they simply backed themselves into a corner with the design of Menasor and with the low price points for the limb bots. I wonder if their plan for executing changed mid-course with the apparent redesign of the trailer. If so, maybe they were simply desperate to remain relevant, competitive, and profitable in the "toon-aesthetic" market. I hope this is a #3rdpartymasterpiecescale lesson for every company in the industry, and I hope third-party companies can afford to develop their entire lineup upfront so there aren't these kind of broken promises and unpleasant surprises in future. But #XTB also needs to take a hard look at themselves and their high prices for needlessly complex products (e.g., the trailer and their Quintesson Judge, Dr. Egg). 🙂👍

[@primus699]

Truck itself with wheels that turn on thier own. Garbage

[@mp_reviews]

You mean X-Transbots's Motormaster?

[@solomonwitt475]

motor master 130... trailer 225 add ons 75= 430? Pffffft.....Keith can kiss my @$$ for that price. x trash bot

[@mp_reviews]

Well, at least there were options between DX9, Fans Toys, and X-Transbots. Not the best foot forward from XTB for sure, though.