TimesTalks | Julian Schnabel and Jeff Koons

Don’t miss this rare and exciting opportunity to see award-winning and wildly popular multidisciplinary artist and filmmaker Julian Schnabel in conversation with Jeff Koons, the critically acclaimed and controversial artist that rose to prominence in the post-war era. The duo will discuss their illustrious careers, creative processes and Schnabel’s upcoming exhibition “Julian Schnabel: New Plate Paintings,” on view at Pace Gallery from Feb 24th - March 25th. Inspired by the roses growing in the cemetery near Van Gogh’s grave in Auvers-sur-Oise, France, these works celebrate the artist’s first solo show since his return to the gallery. Throughout his career, Schnabel has sustained his use of found materials and chance-based processes, transforming the conventions of painting and opening the door for a new generation of young artists. Please join us for an unforgettable evening of spirited conversation between two visionaries and long-time friends.

[@Joefalconeri001]

What a BOOOORRRRRIIIINNNG interview.

[@chrisraymondmusic]

This is great!

[@lizking385]

Narcissism is a prerequisite to become a conceptual artist.

[@JadenJahci]

“This is you Julian” ~Randy

[@iwonkarts]

AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!! Jeff Koons

[@altausseulysse]

...before you were an artist, you were a commodity broker?... I WAS ALWAYS AN ARTIST!..

[@Johnconno]

@Roy Rogers. Christ, is that the best you can do?

[@heaven7360]

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[@leann7236]

想請問有人能翻譯成中文嗎

[@cliffdariff74]

"I was always a commodity broker" would probably be more honest...

[@sergiodelamo]

lol

[@hjcvskggiuuhbhjdrt]

So true lol

[@yz4043]

The interviewer was very nervous lol

[@beateschuler1667]

This interviewer is a real pain. No sense for timing and flow.

[@cliffdariff74]

He's doing fine, he is allowing them to bring out their stories very eloquently.

[@sergiodelamo]

I think he is ok. Julien likes to put people in a tight spot whenever he gets the chance though...

[@3589546]

The interviewer is painful to watch. Needs to let it flow.

[@gregoryborlein2015]

57:17

[@fluffyb2424]

😍❤❤

[@heavenscow6945]

Clash of the Titans!

[@ChrisCoombes]

A bit of a shame the interviewer didn't respond to JK's final bit about the gazing balls piece before they opened to questions.

[@elflaco6654]

If I were there I would've asked Koons if he prefers riding the rod or licking the crack? or maybe how often do you take golden showers? LMAO... His work is a great example of devolution. The shine'ola represents shit. His so called (passionless) art is nothing more than the relieving of ones bowels.

[@heaven7360]

and the bowels of a crumbling decade when they got their "start."

[@hthomasackermann]

These people make no sense and seem utterly dysfunctional. P.S. a great lesson in Unfettered Hubris

[@renzo6490]

Let me begin by telling you that when my brother was just starting school, he rebelled at the rules of spelling. Why did words have to be spelled in a particular way? Why couldn't he spell them as he wanted to spell them? He resented the rules and he resisted the authority of those who made them ! Keep this in mind. I think that Conceptual art comes from people who could not and would not do the difficult work required to become a 'traditional' artist. Can't master the necessary skills ? Can't understand how to use color to create mood? Can't master composition? Can't draw or understand human anatomy? Can't figure out how to express your feelings with image? Can't be bothered ? Well then, belittle the importance of those skills and debase the notion that they are a prerequisite to creating art. Instead, create an art genre that you CAN do. A new genre...conceptual art. Conceptual artists claim that IDEAS and CONCEPTS are the main feature of their art. They can slap anything together and call it ''conceptual art'' confident that viewers will find SOMETHING to think about it no matter how banal or trivial the artist's concept! There is no way conceptual art pieces can be judged. The promoters of this art have attacked the motives and credibility of authorities and critics who might disparage the work. They have rejected museums and galleries as defining authorities. They reject the idea that art can be judged or criticized . All of this results in a decline in standards. And when you jettison standards, quality suffers. There really IS such a thing as BAD art ! We know this only because we have standards and criteria by which such things can be evaluated. It seems that conceptual art comes down to a basic idea: No one has the right or authority to make any judgments about art ! Art is anything you can get away with ! A whole new language has been created to give the work an air of legitimacy and gravitas. Conceptual art is 'sold' to the unwary public with ....."ArtSpeak". ArtSpeak is a unique assemblage of English words and phrases that the International Art world uses but which are devoid of meaning! Have you ever found yourself confronted by an art gallery’s description of an exhibition which seems completely indecipherable? Or an artist’s statement about their work which left you more confused than enlightened? You’re not alone. Here are examples of ArtSpeak: ''..she manipulates architectural structures in order to deconstruct socially defined spaces and their uses and test novel and playful possibilities." Or ' 'Works that probe the dialectic between innovations that seem to have been forgotten, the ruinous present state of projects once created amid great euphoria, and the present as an era of transitions and new beginnings.'' This language is meant to convince me that there is real substance to this drivel which is being passed off as 'art'. But I don't buy it. Plenty of other people DO buy it. But not because they understand or love the work. They are laying out enormous sums in the belief that their investment will bring them high returns in the future. One Jeff Koons conceptual piece is three basketballs suspended in a fish tank. Here is Koons' own ArtSpeak explanation of his floating basketball 'concept' verbatim: “ This is an ultimate state of being. I wanted to play with people’s desires. They desire this equilibrium. They desire pre-birth. I was giving a definition of life and death. This is the eternal. This is what life is like, also, after death. Aspects of the eternal” Rather lofty goals for 3 basketballs suspended in a fish tank!! It sold for $350,000. I wonder what it would have fetched without Koons' name attached to it. _____________________________________ Something radical has happened to the art scene in the past 50 years. Cubism slid into non-representational art....what is called Abstract. Abstract or non-representational art is a legitimate and often profound genre. But to many people, it appeared as if this new style had no structure or principles. It’s markings seemed random and arbitrary. Something that anyone could do. Any composition of blotches or scribbles was “Abstract Art”. This was the slippery slope that led to the abandonment of standards in art. Art is what I say it is ! And lots of people jumped on the art bandwagon. A tacit agreement forms among critics, galleries, publications and auction houses to promote and celebrate certain artists and styles. Objects with no artistic merit are touted and praised . Their value increases with every magazine article, every exhibition in a prestigious gallery. And when they come up for auction, sometimes the auction houses will lend vast sums to a bidder so that it appears as if the work of the particular artist is increasing in value. The upward spiral begins and fortunes are made. And many are reluctant to declare that the Emperor is, in fact, naked lest they appear boorish unsophisticated Philistines ! This now the state of Contemporary art. The love of money is the root of all evil. It has corrupted politics. It has corrupted sport. It has corrupted healthcare. It has corrupted religion. And now it has corrupted art. But, there is reason to hope. As much of the wisdom of the Greeks and Romans was kept alive through the Middle Ages in small pockets of learning and culture, ateliers have sprung up around the world that are devoted to preserving and handing down the traditional visual arts: drawing, painting and sculpting to each new generation. And when this craze for conceptual art has burned itself out and when visual art is no longer looked on as mere decoration and when schools that have dissolved their art programs want to reestablish them again, the world will find these skills preserved through the atelier movement.

[@xiaozhenshe4672]

Whats so great about being able to draw anatomy and express your feelings though artwork? Whats so bad about artworks being just about ideas? Do you know the idea that artists being mastercraftsmen/talent was an idea generated during Renaissances? How do you determine which idea/perception of what art is more valid? Art essentially reflects our society's overall emotions and thoughts. One example is when a society was looking forward and optimistive, artists like Picasso and Monet are celebrated historically while master artists like Jean Gerome remains less known. There is no absolute good or bad tastes, a taste is only valuable relative to a certain culture and time. Look at the world we are in now, after the optimism and experimentations from Modern period, after the period when artists were all looking for the new and the absolute truth, we have the cold war and existential threat from Nuclear weapons, it won't be a surprise to see some artists question all the knowledge( what art should be/ what is taste, meaning , etc.) that we acquired so far, or in Koons case, stopped worrying about absolute meaning/ preconceived notions of taste and do what One believes in. I am not saying that Koons is a great artist, because saying that one would fall into the trap of endless debate. However, his art does reflect our time, fragmented truth, mixture of high and low arts, controversies. As for money, almost every artist would love a wealthy patron.

[@dbueilrb]

Renzo you have poor artistic taste and knowledge. Go back and study art history again, properly.

[@xiaozhenshe4672]

@Mark Miles ya, I was mentioning Renaissance period instead of Hellenistic period because people started treating art and artists more seriously back then , thus easier to compare with contemporary art. During Hellenistic period , art doesn't have a place like today's.

[@heaven7360]

I like some conceptual art ... that is conceptual art by someone who is intelligent and honest....not these phony boobs

[@alejandramorales48]

Surprised at how bad Jeff Koons is when speaking about his own work. It's as if he memorized a few sentences & references that sound smart & just keeps them at hand even though they make no sense.

[@heaven7360]

The Warhol/Koons segments from Robert Hughes's "The New Shock of the New." This is on yourube

[@elflaco6654]

The Koons at 57:50 would be greatly improved w/ a turd on top. Koons's soul is on his shoes not his art, his work is void of emotion and passion. The work at 1:02:30 is ugly and down right tasteless, it would be greatly improved by blowing it up!!!

[@76kitt]

OMG! Didn't anyone teach this interviewer how to breathe? Awful!

[@ailimaimaiti]

I agree

[@vujasin87]

God, this interviewer is painful. Stark, feels void of energy and almost anxious. Schnabel starts poking fun at it around 40 minutes.

[@heaven7360]

They all deserve each other

[@teeniebeenie8774]

koons is kostabi on steroids

[@altausseulysse]

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[@elflaco6654]

Koons work does nothing for me ever after his interpretation explaining his intent behind the work. There are so many artist that create much more interesting art work than Koons. The elitist collectors that back these guys work are only interested in these works of crap as investments. The prices that these elite collectors spend on such works of art is beyond ridiculous. It's insane!!! If I were a multi millionaire I would collect works IMO that are more interesting. They just don't have the name(brand) these two artist have. I'll name some artist that I would love to be able to collect. Here goes my blue chip list, Elizabeth Murray, Robert Longo, Jose Parla(a fairly new young artist from Cuba), Carlos Alfonzo, Doze Green, John Alexander... These are fairly well known artist. I have many others I would love to collect as I dream on but for now I collect small works by talented artist that are within my price range. Maybe I'll hit the lotto one day and be able to buy an Anselm Kiefer and Gerhard Richter. If I ever did hit the jack pot I wouldn't collect Schnabel but I would like to buy a large Jeff Koons just so I could set it on FIRE!!! LMAO...

[@heaven7360]

He's baby puke. I don't know how he got to be so popular except that he makes smooth colorful bright things that I'm surprised don't glow in the dark. When I think of the great work overlooked (for me, women artists) for this stuff it is criminal

[@davidlubotsky7908]

Money laundering plays a roll and the associations are often with very sick and very rich people.

[@lizking385]

Your truthful rant is a work of art itself!

[@JadenJahci]

“Come on come on come on come on come on now touch me babe!....” ~Jim Morrison

[@JadenJahci]

One to many “Come on’s”. My apologies to the chef. Sincerely, “One to many mornings” ~Bob Dylan

[@SculpTV]

snoozefest...

[@ailimaimaiti]

This host is awful isn’t it?

[@j.v.6263]

man this interviewer is lame. can keep watching.thumb down

[@cohencohen54]

The two worst ‘artists’ of a capitalist system.