NHI Bill aims to create universal healthcare

President Cyril Ramaphosa is expected to sign the controversial National Health Insurance bill into law this afternoon. The draft legislation which aims to create universal healthcare, has been over five years in the making. Critics say the plan is unaffordable and will collapse the private sector.
Professor Salim Abdool Karim from the Centre for the Aids Programme of Research in South Africa and CEO of RH Bophelo, Quinton Zunga speak to Newzroom Afrika's Aldrin Sampear.
Tune into Newzroom Afrika DStv channel 405 for more.

[@nomadicleopard]

This will be controlled by a party who cant even fill potholes

[@GSGLondon92]

100%, people who work for government companies now don’t even get paid, what makes them think it will change in healthcare, you will have doctors protesting because they haven’t been paid. It will be a mess!!!

[@johnledwaba8551]

You can say that again

[@thandimaluleke369]

💯%true

[@mikeperkins4356]

Heck that was funny… and sadly true.

[@thembazote736]

Exactly. All emotion aside, this is a good idea on paper (like many policies before it) but the management and administration of it by these crooks should be the major concern

[@hgfku-tn6hb]

Let's cheer for this Bill and cry later. This government can't even fix a mere pothole

[@user-uk7cc4nm5c]

That same pothole is going to put you in hospital

[@janvusi1407]

😂😂😂true brother

[@ND9.0]

agree

[@Dysphorous]

@@user-uk7cc4nm5c That's all part of their plan

[@swartkat4394]

Why not just fix the public hospitals we have? Why do we have doctors and nurses without jobs? Maybe build 1 or 2 new ones without stealing the whole budget.

[@teresapohl8579]

You are spot on. I remember when the public hospitals were in great shape and equal to any private hospitals. Tax payers will move along with doctors to greener pastures. And then?

[@Brians_view]

The public hospitals are beyond repair and is being run by ANC CARDRES. You can't fix those hospital's as long as we have those ANC CARDRES working in these government run hospital's.

[@vona5251]

​@@teresapohl8579when was that. 1980?

[@vona5251]

Thats pretty much the plan

[@skhuvilakazi9362]

Stop being afool this Bill will makes private care service hire more Doctors, Nurse and security will lower unemployment

[@MBReader410]

NHI sounds like a get rich quick scheme

[@johnledwaba8551]

Another gravy train

[@felixmoyoedonmi]

Indeed.

[@stefanlangenhoven78]

Private health insurance is literally the biggest get rich quick scheme

[@Codydoggy]

Leave the private healthcare alone and government must fix it’s own healthcare

[@EmmanuleGoldstone]

More money in a BIG pot for the THIEVES IN GOVERNMENT....

[@Codydoggy]

All countries have both, governments can’t afford to keep the whole country, people have a right to choose their healthcare

[@Ginger4789]

Just like e tolls we won’t allow for it 😂😂😂😂

[@diatilenthoba8262]

We have hospitals who are closed as we speak...open them n employ nurses, Doctors, cleaners, auxiliaries etc.in that way there will be reduction of unemployment n reduction of betlock on operations n so on.

[@fulumukwevho4744]

Brought to you by the same party that brought us Loadshedding.

[@ermericcarolissen694]

Interviewer asking ridiculous questions. The main question is how will NHI be funded. Until that question is answered satisfactorily everything else is nonsense.

[@confuseddad2865]

"You have to get rid of corruption" ... oh lord we are actually fcked

[@michaeldeutschmann5992]

ALL BLACK PEOPLE MUST LOOK AT ALL THE MINISTERS THEY ALL HAVE PRIVATE MIDICAL AND THERE KIDS GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS SO WAKE UP .AND YOU ARE PAYING FOR THIS .

[@teresapohl8579]

And they go overseas for any medical procedures.

[@marketingdesign1136]

Yes but why is public healthcare not working currently? Government I await a real answer.

[@vona5251]

This is an initiative to try and make it work

[@njsnjs9369]

There is no money. NHI will be funded by the public...in die jaar nul As die hingste vul

[@EmmanuleGoldstone]

Can anyone talk about the latest numbers from the UN Refugee Council that say there are 3,000,000 (yes million) refugees in South Africa from Zimbabwe and a further 2,000,000 refugees from Mozambique. How do we pay NHI for these people? Get your house in order first before you make plans to BREAK more things!

[@Ritesh-yy1zr]

Foreigners are having a good time

[@MissSlenda]

If I'm not mistaken, check out IOL news articles, I think. This will be the people that will be covered: I quote" South African citizens, permanent residence, refugees, inmates and specific categories of foreign nationals. The fund will also cover asylum seekers and illegal foreigners, which will be covered for notifiable conditions and emergency medical services"

[@cobussmith8864]

Incompetence and corrupt move!

[@platophilosopher1293]

This anchor (Aldrin Sampier) needs to show respect to both of his guests. He should address them as Professor Karim and Mr Zunga - and not repeatedly refer to them as Professor Karim and Quinton. They are both equally important. The anchor is coloured - I forgot.

[@smakahlekhumalo2746]

Thank you for providing clarity Prof. Karim

[@jaymorgan1928]

Private doctors charge from R500 just for a consultation ,this is beyond the average S.African ,so the NHI must adress this.

[@vusibiyela6032]

Guess who is back? Karim is back!

[@sasha8664]

Dr "yearly Covid Booster"

[@lf5378]

Was just thinking the same thing !

[@felixmoyoedonmi]

He makes me sick 😫 🤒

[@MissSlenda]

I hate him. He talks a lot of crap. For someone who's supposedly to be an educated one.

[@user-ck8qk5yw3i]

Get up at 4am. Be at the hospital by 7 or they don't serve you. Stand in a line to get your card checked for 1 hour. Stand in a line to pay to get your file for 1 hour. Stand in a line for 2 hours to hand in your receipt for the file. Stand in a line for half an hour to get your file. Get annoyed because someone sweet talking the nurses into moving them up in the line takes another half an hour. Doctors room waiting area saga... Stand in a line for half an hour to get your place in another line Stand in a line for half an hour to hand in your file. Stand in a line for 1 hour to get your BP and sugar test. 14h30... Doctor comes out and says they're done for the day. Stand in a line for 1 and a half hours to get a receipt to prove that you were there today, at least you don't have to pay again... How nice of them. Stand in another line for an hour to have that receipt verified. You need to take a leak so you go to the toilet. The floor has about an inch of piss on it. So you look for another one. You go to get permission to use the staff only toilet. You stand in a line for 20 minutes. They take you to the staff bathroom, where you stand in another line again for between 5-10 minutes. The staff bathroom only has a few puddles of piss here and there. Come again tomorrow for slightly better results. You see the doctor. Who does nothing, just prescribes panado. No x-rays no blood tests no physical exam. You finally leave after waiting 3-4 hours at the hospital pharmacy for your aspirin and paracetamol. Congratulations you've achieved nothing!! The perfect hospital system. Now lets give the ANC full control over the private health sector. Because they have magic hands or something.. They wave them around at something and the whole place gets that fragrant piss smell that we all know and love!! What could possibly go wrong?

[@johnledwaba8551]

The anc vultures are ready to feast

[@Codydoggy]

The private sector must run the healthcare system in the country

[@diatilenthoba8262]

Those Doctors working at the private hospitals are the same Doctors working at government hospitals,so let us all have the same quality health care.

[@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210]

No they are not. Doctors can be self-employed, employed by a hospital or government employed.

[@not.likely]

If they all the same, why is the health care at hospitals up to shit?

[@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210]

@@not.likely You may find in public sector hospitals, that staff do minimal work, moral is low and equipment - where it exists - is old. Which is why the government want to steal our medical aid reserves so that we can more of the same, while they get another pot to loot dry. Alternatively, we can do what the government does : we can all blame the legacy of Apartheid and commend the heroes trying to safe us.

[@MissSlenda]

You spit out a lot of nonsense. I've had you on one of my comments. Use your brain and stop sitting on it. You sound like someone who can easily be fooled. They want the less fortunate to vote for them with this stunt, which they know is a failure because the majority can't afford the basics in this country. Now they are busy exciting the less fortunate citizens. I hope you are the middle class that you can feel how it will be when SARS deducting 2 times more and you sit with less money to even be able to feed yourself or your family.

[@Brians_view]

Where do you get you information from or do you suck it out your thumb.

[@starking26]

Welcome to HEALTHSHEDDING😮

[@Famouzlastwrds]

Loadshedding but for Healthcare. Brought to you by the people who dug Graves for you in 2020.

[@user-pi5sx8jx1m]

Without funding in place, how can a bill 🤔 be signed. Implementation , materialisation, and manifestation needs an answer, for the majority will await this medical services. Effective materialisation without our medical sector suffering even further.

[@evertonbouwer4038]

this will go down as this government's most epic failure.

[@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210]

if it ever gets off the ground because doctors appear to be leaving in droves.

[@MissSlenda]

​@@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210I hope they stick around a little bit longer to see that it was just a voting stunt to get the less fortunate vote for them and to get them excited. Remember, the government wants people to forget about all the failures. That's why all of a sudden, the president managed to get a golden pen to sign it off a few days before elections. Because they will come back when they realize the grass is not always as green on the other side. Let's wait and see.

[@StephanLangeSA]

Pointless interview. The main question was not asked. WHO IS PAYING FOR ALL OF THIS?? We are. The tax payers.

[@owami4802]

Ay’suka

[@not.likely]

​@@owami4802 join the scum

[@the_antiquark]

This is a terrible idea

[@vona5251]

How

[@robbiebeack208]

😂 look at whatever the ANC touch turns to SHIT ! ! Stop to vote for them.😠 PLS wake up !!!! Please vote DA 👍🙏🤗❤

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

So out of the frying pan and into the fire you go SA!🎉

[@not.likely]

​@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105😂😂😂 what a dreamer you are that cadres can get the job done

[@janetwoodrow7214]

If we go to Checkers they give us what we pay for. Will there soon be a law that says you get a particular basket of groceries for everyone, irrespective of what you pay for?

[@itwontbeTV]

This is a dimwit question, obviously govt (include 1st World Countries) can't afford to subsidize groceries not matter at what price, and we not a communist state 😂

[@Charlbb]

Probably, if it's up to the ANC.

[@Mervyn001]

Every country around the world has health care issues. In SA it's worst because of the regime that only made it affordable for a handful, that acquired it's wealth from it's regime.

[@Brians_view]

Health care apartheid????????? What is Carims logic here. He should rather not say anything. The next thing he will say is there is car apartied6 and we must all have the same car. His logic is a joke

[@Charlbb]

O, absolutely.

[@markkahn8890]

There needs to be a thorough investigation into the current state of the public hospitals. FIX THE STATE HOSPITALS FIRST!

[@andrewmabele4254]

COVID Proffessor😂😂😂 fetched from the grave-i am skeptical about this NHI

[@strydomobile]

Aiming and outcomes are two different things.

[@jackiemoalosi8258]

Government hospital poor quality no blanket, bed for patients nd clinics no medicine why can Government fix that first

[@not.likely]

Because they looted the coffers and you gave them permission to

[@gregwheatley1355]

Because there is fkall left to steal

[@mario2918]

Can we address inequality of contribution?

[@awesomeness87878787]

What the professor forgot to mention is that the “most countries” that he is referring to has a big tax base with very low unemployment so that makes sense. And even some of those countries that implemented NHI is absolutely disastrous - Like the UK

[@vona5251]

Professor makes lot of sense

[@armandtoma8124]

This title is misleading. If that is the aim, then this is not the way to achieve it.

[@Thegema101]

Good move now SA healthcare is everybody’s problem to fix - we don’t need segregation

[@wildebeest88]

What segregation? You got more than 90% non whites 15:24 tax paying having medical aid. Their choice. And there are whites using state hospitals. Stop instigating the racism card. It's people like you that want divide.

[@Ritesh-yy1zr]

Ay'suka Wena

[@deanburger4574]

My question is who gets to go to which hospitals?

[@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210]

It goes according to the nearest hospital to your residence. Imagine how many people in Alex will "move" to Morningside.

[@sibusisosikhonde2450]

Does this man or Dr even hear what he is saying himself ?????? Dumbfounded ‼️🙄

[@MissSlenda]

Don't you know him from covid days he never made sense since those days. Can't you hear he sounds like the ANC did the ANC ever make sense? That's your answer.

[@not.likely]

What can the ANC government do without money?

[@vivekrampersad396]

Fix and build new hospitals which you have destroyed

[@vona5251]

The private sector collects huge sums of money for a small operation

[@asthersamlal7832]

We also want equal housing as the president the cars he drivers

[@saitamadecember2806]

Does this mean, private hospitals will be banned?

[@thabomonyamane3596]

School don't have toilet no water is useless party i don't care with anc government make me weak😊😊

[@vona5251]

So are you saying health must not be looked into because of those issues which are regional. We talking national

[@adrianjones7197]

So what was the aim of state care for the past 30 years then? Instead of the delinquent non functioning state nationalising private healthcare - the opposite should happen- privatise the entire health care system incorporating all the state hospitals clinics etc - entirely!

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

Desperate times call for desperate measures!.. Or atleast the promise of desperate measures, in the fullness of time...😂get outta here!!

[@mario2918]

Is Karim a real professor? No one can actually be this stupid... There is public healthcare for everyone paid by the taxpayers. The majority of the taxpayers then pay extra for private care. Paying for private care does not take away for the public healthcare. Can we discuss the inequality of the current contributions?

[@debbiebeyleveld5060]

What has the government eun well at all.. what a joke 😢

[@Ginger4789]

How is it apartheid if you can’t afford to if you can afford 😢😢😢

[@Pietie811]

It is not equal! As simple as that!

[@renierlindeque9387]

@@Pietie811did everyone put in equal work?

[@Pietie811]

@renierlindeque9387 I don't argue with Europeans who's ancestors came here and colonized our country!

[@asthersamlal7832]

This must go NHI will never work ....

[@asthersamlal7832]

This never worked in other country , what makes the government think In this 3rd world country

[@ReinhardHiller]

Utter bollocks from Salim Karim… No one kept the government from standardizing the provision of public health services. If they didn’t do it in the past, how are they going to do it in the future?

[@kgomotso2360]

Private practice boom, a private practice doctor in a neighborhood can see half the neighborhood im a day and charge consultation and dispensing for every small pain or itch and the nhi must pay. Bye bye SME who previously had employees without medical aid who could not pop into a doctor for a sick note because he had to pay cash, now he will be off 2 to 3 days a week easy. Invest in Healthcare and Pharmaceuticals people the demand is about to boom in a few years

[@Ginger4789]

Amazing how they have all these ideas and the only Victor is corruption 😢😢😢😢😢

[@mikeperkins4356]

Did that Prof just say the difference between private and public medical aid sectors is like medical care apartheid?? Get serious man. Stop using the word apartheid. U get private and public health care all around the world.

[@anniedjv13]

So having medical aid is apartheid-like. Guess having a car is also apartheid-like. And a house. Having ANYTHING, seems to be apartheid-like. Let's just punish those who work hard for their money....

[@user-yp1pu8kj7p]

Don't support NHI BILL

[@diatilenthoba8262]

I am excited for this Bill can't wait for the President to sigh...let us all access quality health care,it will work , negative people should stop complaining with negative comments,i for one need it n many people who don't afford private hospitals.

[@teresapohl8579]

Yes. We won't have any government officials running to Russian hospitals either. Or will we?

[@janvusi1407]

So are you happy to pay more vat. Eg ur poor friend to pay R30 a loaf of bread

[@minaribeiro4429]

Don't worry the people that are so happy will soon see how much its gonna cost them nothing for free

[@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210]

So I - who works hard and is prepared to pay for my health care - should pay for yours as well? I may be negative in your eyes, but my answer remains no.

[@strydomobile]

Public hospitals and well as private hospitals will lose doctors because of this. It's not going to solve anything. Only thing for certain is more taxes.

[@FirstCenturyTheology]

Like Eskom, Prasa, etc. The exodus begins

[@Pietie811]

Please, just go to Europe! Our blacks will survive as always!

[@FirstCenturyTheology]

@@Pietie811 if SA becomes a failed state you can always invade Europe

[@genarasaritacotrera7011]

Seguro unibersal.false fron

[@ismaeelakb]

SAs latest joke of the country

[@christinevandermerwe-gl2sm]

😂😂😂😂

[@derekbotha9405]

It is a workable solution, it did work in South Africa but not the new South Africa where the people were employed and taxes were reasonable. The new South Africa under ANC apartheids movement cannot afford such model because of unemployment, high fuel prices, high living and food costs. The ANC apartheids movement tries to be a copy cat of the previous regime but are failing our people, economy and country, not to mention crime, corruption and lawlessness! This all because of their sick ideology connections to terrorists organisations sabotaging the minds of the people of South Africa!

[@user-yp1pu8kj7p]

Vote UIM ❤

[@asthersamlal7832]

This never worked in other country , what makes the government think In this 3rd world country