Searching for The Five

[@Nexpo]

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[@notify7581]

E?

[@thecerealpope8209]

Love you lad

[@danielshrekoderbanner]

Ok mr gamer

[@coffeewithkarlie]

okie

[@shreya3375]

i will once i’m not broke💙

[@thebigfish2420]

My phone is ridiculously faulty, so when you did that glitch thing I assumed that it finally gave up after 8 years of service

[@Speedstar779]

8 years?!? Damn, what phone are you using? An immortal Nokia?

[@thebigfish2420]

@@Speedstar779 an iPhone 5

[@Speedstar779]

@@thebigfish2420 Wow, impressive.

[@darkskull5790]

Nice I have a 50$ phone coming up on 3 years now

[@bbaugher2419]

@@thebigfish2420 i salute your phone, that's an old friend for sure

[@Luna-ry8lv]

Imagine getting stuck in a forest in winter, getting a heart attack and witnessing people disappear strangely. I would have lost my mind

[@TheFuschiaDragonfly]

I have an heart condition, that before getting treated gave me long episodes of arrythmia I once had one at the beach. I kneeled to the ground (it slows down my heartbeat) and I was clearly unwell, but even tho the area was CROWDED, nobody gave a damn. Scariest thing ever.

[@Luna-ry8lv]

@@TheFuschiaDragonfly Oh damn that's sad. I think that is the bystander effect. How did you recover?

[@TheFuschiaDragonfly]

@@Luna-ry8lv yeah it totally was That one time thank God the arrythmia lasted only a few minutes Later in life I had two surgeries and I've been taking meds daily for 3+ yrs now I also exercise and this made my heart stronger The worst that can happen to me now is my heart beating really fast for like 2 seconds, I lead a normal life now overall :)

[@Luna-ry8lv]

@@TheFuschiaDragonfly Okay well glad to hear you're doing better

[@Serene_F]

@@TheFuschiaDragonfly I'm happy that you are well now

[@brendon866]

Can’t it be that the Boys just got scared when Joseph started calling out for help? Maybe that’s why they turned the headlights off and got quiet, i mean I don’t have any disabilities and i would shit myself if i heard someone started crying out for help in the woods at the middle of the night.

[@OVXX666]

and,,, combine that with schizophrenia and intellectual disabilities

[@MycatTwinkie]

Ye if I heard cries for help in a forest at night in America. That's a serial killer

[@slysamuel5902]

@@MycatTwinkie Imagine a person thinking that, and it turns out it was just some guy with a heart attack of whom they left to die in the freezing cold. Couldn’t possibly occur that this person just needed help and safety. Am I right, or am I right ladies and gentlemen? Edit - This was just meant to be a fun joke about how the guy said it always has to be a serial killer, despite the fact that in this very video it was very not a serial killer. Don't take this too seriously.

[@zaarifhossaini6467]

but weren't there two cars?

[@WobblesandBean]

That's what I think happened. You have five special needs men, all with severe mental impairments, it's not a stretch that the paranoid schizophrenic scared the others into thinking the guy calling for help was coming to murder them or something. They don't know where they are, they don't have the mental faculty to make rational decisions; the parents even said flat out that they lacked common sense and couldn't hold down the simplest of jobs. Obviously, they panicked and kept making the worst possible choice at every turn. When Ted died, they likely got freaked out and ran off, instead of doing the logical thing and placing the body outside while they stayed in where there was warmth and food. I mean, they didn't even board up the window! These men had the minds of children, they should never have been allowed to go out at night unsupervised, let alone been granted driver's licenses!

[@Furchee]

This dude sure loves this "dramatic" pauses, holy

[@deadly.desai2]

The audio is AI generated. Those pauses aren't intentional

[@carlwheezer7217]

@@deadly.desai2lol it isn't ai. He just pauses too much

[@zamanda123-ts1bl]

@@carlwheezer7217 true, it's just the way some people decide to speak, i once saw a documentary by some other youtuber where he had no sense of pauses at all and kept running into the next sentence. A nightmare to watch.

[@zamanda123-ts1bl]

@@deadly.desai2 in my opinion it is very much intentional, it keeps your brain engaged when he talks unlike normal commentary, this and the weird glitching effects that keep you making sure your internet is alright, ensure you are actively listening the whole time.

[@carlwheezer7217]

@@zamanda123-ts1bl lol, i would loose track so fast

[@alsohedge6537]

This is the darkest “Me and the boys” story I’ve heard

[@warpeace4058]

Y’all forget Hostel already?!?

[@funnyman8713]

Plot twist: They were really Spiderman villains and get pulled into the multiverse for the next Spiderman movie

[@owo23_62]

This happens when you don’t find the beans

[@kiyoshi7875]

@@owo23_62 yeah what? beans

[@bamboozler3302]

@@warpeace4058 that film scared the fuck out of me.

[@darrellcovello7917]

*Gets car stuck in the snow* "Oh, man... it doesn't get much worse than that!" *Has heart attack* "Okay it got worse"

[@somerandomperson3434]

*Sees 5 people that when he calls for them they dissapear* "Okay, what the hell?" *sees 2 more people that dissapear when he calls for them* "WHAT THE FUCK?!"

[@TurtleChad1]

A turtle doesn't approve of it getting worse.

[@alexei9122]

Saying "it can't get any worse!" in a sketchy situation is almost always a jinx

[@sechura3698]

Honestly his story just made the other five's story seem that much worse in that he just walked it off out of necessity and they needlessly walked to their deaths.

[@TheRageCommenter]

$20 he said "this day can't get any worse" before having a heart attack.

[@blueboi5140]

"They didn't make it back home that night." Oh yeah Nexpo? You think im watching this to hear about some dudes that went home and had a basketball game.

[@shuttzi9878]

Wait! You mean they didn't???

[@blueboi5140]

@@shuttzi9878 oh sorry. Spoilers

[@soursugar4867]

Honestly Nexpo could just make a documentary video about 5 people who enjoyed a basketball game and went home, and I would watch it 4 times

[@sarahunderwood8952]

Not gonna lie, this made me cackle.

[@henrg]

UC Davis winning a game is a spooky episode in it of itself

[@yp2kk]

now imagine shones had passed away from that heart attack, and in addition to the 5 missing, there would also be an unexplained dead body just sitting on the same road

[@CBFW_KO]

crazy!!!

[@JustBready68]

they could do an autopsy and find out its just a random guy who died of a heart attack

[@KillertoastGaming]

​@@JustBready68 It would still lead to questions and people would be trying to connect these corpses and would for instance assume that he was so scared of sth that he had this heart attack.

[@jimlahey3919]

It’s in a snowstorm. They’d instantly see a suck vehicle with only one set of foot prints around it, and know that it was just a coincidental heart attack, not connected to the other vehicle.

[@edvinrudberg175]

@@jimlahey3919 you said it, it was during a snowstorm. So no footsteps would have been left by the time he would have been found

[@ThatLittleKitten]

My mans has a fucking heart attack, recovers from it, and walks eight miles to a lodge after said heart attack

[@DJ-yh8hm]

Well, people have strong will to live. They usually do unbelievable things in the circumstances like that.

[@UgherzCookies]

@@DJ-yh8hm adrenaline rush?

[@masterblaster1676]

@@UgherzCookies he had a wife back at home with a fatass

[@b3amoor3]

Depends on the severity. I once had a heart attack that I confused with a panic attack. It lasted maybe 10 minutes and I felt alright after. Chest just hurt for a while.

[@shwndrws7785]

@@masterblaster1676 ikr what your situ at home when "scouting a trail" in a car thru a snowstorm up a mountain as the sunsets beats having dinner with your old lady? No wonder his ticker was stressed past the point.

[@normanm11]

“A cold one with the boys” had never had a more sinister meaning before.

[@travissoff9521]

Oh man.... seriously.

[@KhezuOnYourScreen]

Accurate*

[@koromoro6682]

:(

[@cookiechurchie2219]

Bruh moment

[@SF-me3ok]

The boys

[@netrolancer1061]

The Fact that Shones suffered a heart attack while his car was trapped in snow and still trekked his way till he found help, surprises me because he seems like the one who had the odds stacked against him.

[@chadschmaltz9790]

Shones is very lucky to have survived what happened to him. Having a heart attack without the added elements of being stranded on a mountain during a snowstorm is already enough to kill someone. I wonder if he experienced an episode of angina (chest pain caused by physical exertion) vs an actual heart attack? Or perhaps if he did have a heart attack, if his coronary arteries formed what are called "collaterals" or alternated paths to bypass the blockage causing the heart attack.

[@charlieangkor8649]

The others had a trailer full of eating and heating and instead of surviving pissed bored and lonely, telling stories and making up games, they died.

[@Lukkilikka]

definitely. my grandpa did the same when he had a heart attack although not as far. but i definitely don't blame him for getting details wrong. maybe he did see the five guys i think that sounds most likely, he just got confused on the details

[@unequivocalsuffering2734]

Adrenaline is one hell of a drug

[@freeman7079]

The way she goes.

[@GothicPurple]

Considering the untouched food and heating supplies, I think it's more likely that Huet and Mathias left the cabin soon after they arrived, dropping a few things off (including Wire) and assuming they'd return with help within a few hours since the cabin was a mark of civilization in the area. Unfortunately on this treck to go get help they would get lost and die, leaving Wire, who lacked any sense of self preservation, alone for months to starve to death.

[@cantfindmykeys]

It's sad. But why abandon the car? Why end up in that place? Who's the woman with the baby? Why not a single bit of Gary's remains found after all this time? People still search for him because of the mystery.

[@qsleonard]

Weren't they starving for a bit? Refeeding syndrome kill/coma the one. The others assume the food is tainted, the one guy is dead so no need to block the window, no need to stay and wait because under that assumption they're going to die too without help very soon

[@JohnSmith-ur2ki]

fcking horror story

[@Bruthric]

@@cantfindmykeys 1. Some theories suggest that they abandoned the car because they were frightened by the cries for help. 2. That house had food and heat 3. Most likely hallucinated and made up family. 4. Mother nature does not leave any nutrient behind so easily.

[@ajbro6428]

​@@cantfindmykeysbecause they were vegetables

[@notoxide9965]

Dude my heart fell out of my ass when you did the glitch thing...

[@dustinsterling3248]

Did it hurt

[@jayb4243]

@@dustinsterling3248 a hahaha I'm dead

[@dustinsterling3248]

@@jayb4243 rip

[@adhilmehmud8171]

can confirm i almost went to flight or fight

[@user-hy3tm2mu4t]

Did you mean Dude my heart...... [dramatic pause] ...fell out my ass

[@chickensoupboi]

Jack Huett's body discovery is the most horrifying of all four. His father was the one who found the dead, rotting corpse of his own son. I can't imagine the unfathomable pain he must have went through the moment he recognized it was Jack.

[@marcasdebarun6879]

If it's any consolation, all they found were scattered bones. Huett's father initially only found the backbone. So he wouldn't have stumbled upon a still decaying corpse, or even known initially that what he had found was his son. Which is possibly marginally less traumatic.

[@cth_tt5829]

Your absolutely correct. It devastated him each day for the rest of his life.

[@cth_tt5829]

@@marcasdebarun6879 his sons remains were with his jacket and jeans. He knew it was him from that alone. But pulled out his wallet from his weathered clothes to prove what he already knew to investigators. The dentist had to confirm it was Jackie for investigative purposes.

[@almerindaromeira8352]

Could have been better, but it could also have been much worse

[@trixsyylmao7114]

This makes no sense it was worse in every way, what if u fckn came across ur child's remains this is very insensitive of u

[@lyras.9161]

This story is so frustrating, because it FEELS like it should be solvable. Like there is one missing detail that would make all the puzzle pieces fit.

[@estoylaroca]

I mean, you are watching this years and years later, with all the info combined. People were grasping at straws back then for info... no mobile phones, no internet. They only had "my son and his friends were missing" to go from. The odds weren't also in their favor. They had HOURS to act on it, yet when they were informed of the missing persons, it was already a day. Having a big search is just impossible in that kind of weather... you can say they were "expected" to be found dead... it just so happened that they lived for a few months before dying.

[@darktooth347]

Always does, but it usually boils down to what you see

[@sharrpshooter1]

Honestly I feel like someone is lying, either Joe isnt telling the truth/ was hallucinating, or the fact that there were two sets of headlights there but only one car when they found it doesn't make sense

[@kyu5242]

@@sharrpshooter1 the headlights were turned off shortly after I think so one of the cars could have got away

[@Error-ko6pp]

Well I still don't get why no one mentions the lady and the baby from the start also the couple flashing lights that appeared after a few hours when the guys left the car

[@azynkron]

Don't forget that Hypothermia causes your brain to start to shut down together with that your body starts to feel hot. This is why people do irrational things and also start to take of their clothes at the end.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

That's just a theory. A more common theory is that you physically feel hot as the body, out of complete exhaustion, no longer attempts to horde heat around your vital organs and rereleases it back into the limbs creating a hot flash.

[@spener1313]

​@@Edax_RoyeauxThe question is more they never had to endure hypothermia because they had heating sources from their car and from the service cabin. What made them get to the point of hypothermia? Guy skips over the part were Mathias was breaking a neighbors door window, entering and then waking them up to ask for a ring to give back to Satan...... Dude was next level schizo... Walked 540 miles back to his parents surviving on dog food and porch milk..... And I'm supposed to believe he just died in a part of the woods he was familiar with? Dude was very competent and of all the involved would know how to survive off a service cabin because of military training.

[@SunnySky-]

Paradoxical undressing is a hell of a phenomenon

[@JKSSubstandard]

​@@Edax_RoyeauxI'm pretty sure it's been studied. Much like the body itself, as hypothermia sets in it starts pulling heat and blood from the outer sections of the brain and focuses it on the brain stem and other parts of the brain core imperitive for survival.

[@jamescrumpler8384]

​@@Edax_RoyeauxNo its actually quite understood and common! People regularly shed their clothes in that situation due to the feeling of being extremely hot and freeze to death.

[@SPEEDYNOOB]

If I was out In the woods and I hear someone yelling “help” out of the dark, I probably would’ve boogied out of there

[@djharness7674]

No cap

[@beansegg7579]

Audible Hallucinations

[@Mooreeezy]

Them: "helppp..." Me: 👀....🏃🏾‍♂️💨

[@kiyoshi7875]

I would stay and hide its free entertainment

[@ManahManah77]

That's why they tell you to yell "fire!", because nobody responds to "help!" anymore.

[@JonatasAdoM]

It's crazy how we often assume we're safe with a group, while the man that was alonne having a heart attack is the one that managed to survive.

[@alzhanvoid]

He had a functioning brain. These 5 dudes were all mentally challenged, except for one who had schizophrenia instead. They all died because they were simply too dumb to think logically, and made all the necessary steps to walk into their deaths. Big F.

[@corporalanonymous4589]

He's the protagonist

[@mxblyxky]

@@alzhanvoid This is pretty obvious and that's why this case doesn't involve any mystery.

[@Randallsixx13]

He survived because he wasn't with them.

[@minecraftsteve2706]

*alone

[@xdgames8328]

I think that they got stressed and when the car got "stuck" mathias started rushing them maybe because he was having a schizophrenic episode and was convincing them that there was some sort of danger. I also think that this "danger" was later confirmed to the 4 other men when they heard the screams for help of the car guy and so they started panicking.

[@nono-fb8tr]

I think Mathias was probably fine for several days after the initial incident, but his meds wore off after days without them. That's when the trouble would've started. I don't believe Mathias was directly responsible for what initially happened.

[@brittanyreed4377]

I don’t know much about schizophrenia but I would assume just like other mental illnesses that they are triggered by high stress situations..because of everything that was going on it could have triggered and episode along with his medication wearing off could explain why so many questionable decisions where made..and could explain why the others made choices that didn’t really make much sense, they might not have seen one of his schizophrenic episodes and actually believed the things he was telling them, like running off into the woods, not eating much of the food, etc..but that’s just assuming he actually had an episode, and it had some type of effect on everyone’s decision making..everyone assumes what would have been the best decision for them to make but to be honest if I was driving up a mountain in a snow storm and got stuck at night while hearing some man yelling for help im not quite sure what I would do either..I think what’s makes it strange is that they stayed in the cabin with food and heat and didn’t hardly use any of it..I think I would get warm, get some rest, stock up on the food in the cabin and any other supplies and try to walk to the nearest place for help

[@xdgames8328]

@@brittanyreed4377 I genuinely think that mathias and the other left ted in the cabin/trailer because of his frostbites and maybe were looking for help for their friend. Ted lacked a lot of common sense and I think he was the one who didn't leave his home when it was on fire because he wanted to get a good sleep for something important tomorrow. By that alone, I don't think he saw opening or using the food as a moral thing to do and may have considered it as stealing. And we can be 100% sure that mathias was in the cabin because of the open cans and because he was the most rational amongst them. I don't think we can judge their decision making because they were all mentally challenged (except for arguably mathias) and lacked common sense though I can see where youre coming from

[@TankleKlaus]

@@brittanyreed4377 À common symptom of schizophrenia is believing food to be poisoned, so I could definitely see Mathias' meds wearing of and him then convincing the others that the food would kill them and that they need to get help some other way

[@sed6657]

Mass hysteria is really dangerous if it can’t be shut down quickly. These men, unfortunately, were likely very prone to suggestion, and the panic of being lost and stuck adding more stress. It’s unfortunate, but I’m assuming they waited for help and fell victim to the elements.

[@Cyber-Cop]

After revisiting this video, I decided to look into the incident more and found a really good podcast called Yuba Country Five by Mopac Audio. After doing so I'm both thoroughly convinced of 2 things: 1. The authorities involved in the search didn't do nearly enough to find these men while claiming that they were doing all they could. A forest service employee stated that he had told them about the trailer at the start of the search which they claimed they checked. Obviously they didn't and they lied to save face. 2. Joseph Shones is full of shit. Multiple people familiar with him claimed he was constantly spinning tall tales and mouthing off insane stories to anyone who'd listen to him while he listed to the sound of his own voice. Almost every time he recounted his story it changed in some way or another to the point where he got his own story wrong when sitting down with the families of the boys. As one of the investigators put it, he was an unreliable narrator. All in all, this is a really great video and it does get pretty much everything right as far as I can corroborate from the podcast, the best videos on stories like these are the one's that make you dig deeper out of interest.

[@bing_crilling8981]

at this point im convinced that 99% of unsolved cases are only unsolved because of police incompetence

[@PaulMacReamoinn]

Although you may be right about Joseph Shones, I may cut him some slack. He had a heart attack and with those elements his memory of the incident would probably be hazy anyway (perhaps trying to piece together that night).

[@bing_crilling8981]

@@PaulMacReamoinn yeah but his reaction after the fact is what's important. there's a difference between having hazy memory and acting suspicious and deceptive

[@Cyber-Cop]

@@PaulMacReamoinn I'd give him slack if it wasn't for his reputation with those around him combined with him changing his story every time recounted it in one way or another.

[@Buggolious]

​@@PaulMacReamoinnor maybe just the booze going up to his head

[@aubreyterry9453]

My man just casually had a heart attack and recovered in a few hours by himself.

[@julianwulian6547]

Mans actually built different

[@janeric1810]

Real protagonist

[@literallythefloor5431]

Just got tf over it. Walked that shit off lol

[@sam-kf8dh]

i think if it was someone that did it intentionally, it was him. his story changed multiple times, he pushed through a heart attack in the freezing cold, but also who were the 2 people with the baby, i don’t think this will ever be solved

[@berlini3760]

That actually can happen. My grandad had a heart attack during night time and recovered by himself and told nobody. We knew until the next day when he started to feel unwell, but hours happened before that.

[@charliegunter2553]

What if they stopped, got out to look around, then heard someone screaming at them. Got scared and ran. With Mathias having schizophrenia and the rest of the boys being developmentally delayed, Mathias was convinced the screaming was aggressive and lead the boys further to go to the building they had mapped out.

[@watamatafoyu]

That makes the most sense, which is why nobody will believe it.

[@jbik140]

@@watamatafoyu wha

[@rjysraelsalinas6183]

This, plus the fact that someone else after them came to the same spot could've scared them even more.

[@ImKarl]

doesn't really explain the foods that were unopened and broken window that they didn't try to fix though :/ But what you said about the scream and they got scared is plausible.

[@Noah-gk7rn]

@@ImKarl Its pretty easy to assume they broke into the building via the window. The door could have been locked, frozen or even blocked which was then fixed when they entered via the window.

[@DollyKauionalani]

I've seen this story many times, and they just talk about how they think the men stopped because the one had a schizophrenic episode. You told the story with compassion and good points about each man like help they love to read to people in a mental home. You made each man a personal identity, and thank you for that.

[@informitas0117]

As a schizophrenic I think he did have a psychotic episode and convinced the others they were followed as paranoia is very common in schizophrenics. I have no trouble seeing myself do that. I've done my fair share of incredibly stupid things while under delusions and paranoia.

[@DreamskyDance]

@@informitas0117 And keep in mind that all others were of sub par intelligence... and then on top of that in a middle of a night in a blizzard a guy is screaming for help who is very ill ( and you can imagine how he sounded like while he was having a heart attack ... i mean you can be of completely sound mind and get spooked and scared by something like that ... actually nexpo had strange screaming sounds, probably from mountain lion, in one of his reddit mysteries video... add something like that to the mix as well and the situation is clear... heh.. maybe there was mountain lion screaming near the car so they got spooked and diched it... ). Probably all a cascade of misfortunate events and coincidences...

[@informitas0117]

@@DreamskyDance yeah the setting and (if he was psychotic) him, their friend, being 1000% sure this was the right move - must have been very convincing for them. When you are psychotic you have no doubt in your ill mind that you could be wrong or that this extremely dangerous move isn't warranted. A very tragic situation, might have been that all the schizophrenic wanted was to keep his friends safe from the horrors in his head. The others must have been so afraid.

[@CyberWarezz05]

@@DreamskyDance You are both right.I'm surprised he didn't mentioned at all their mental problems.Even as a sane person, if I was in their situation and heard an ill guy screaming, at first I'd be scared shitless too.I think it was just an unlucky coincidence that Mathias had a schizophrenic episode when that guy needed help

[@anglsageyayo]

@@DreamskyDance Absolutely agree with you guys. Such a sad and tragic situation. The food and heat sources being near is mysterious. Basic survival instincts would overcome eventually, or at least one would think. It's such an extremely frustrating case to think about. So many "what-if's" shrouded in utter sadness.

[@DizzyedUpGirl]

It's funny that the "glitch" is the most replayed part.

[@aii1717]

When you did that glitch shit that made my heart drop. Scared the shit outta me it’s late at night too.

[@ZrhioZ]

Ikr!!! That's exactly what happened to me, I was in bed with my earpods watching this at night and that part just made me shit bricks.

[@erikag1365]

I thought my computer was about to die on me lol. I quickly exited the video before coming back and realizing it.

[@shinkurea1084]

I kinda pulled the screen away under the belief I’d be jumpscared. 👁👄👁💦

[@Aileenie]

Scared the shit outta me 😭 For real thought my phone was getting possessed

[@kxxartel1111]

@@Aileenie I’m so glad I want the only one 😭 I almost threw my phone

[@Reventian]

I'm only a few minutes in and I'm hooked, you don't get this quality from Netflix

[@MtnDew4828]

Mtn dewe

[@qqqalo]

@@MtnDew4828 k.

[@odoibe3620]

Nexpo and Lemmino are the elite ones.

[@emperorducks741]

Hi verified user 👋

[@odoibe3620]

@@Juuma985 lemmino dude

[@reinerbraun670]

I think it's highly possible that they got scared when Joseph called for help because it was dark, snowing in the middle of nowhere then someone shouts for help. If that was the case, then that explains why they suddenly stopped talking after hearing Joseph's cry for help. Since they were mentally handicapped and one is suffering from schizophrenia, they may have been either too afraid or paranoid to heed the call of a stranger especially out there in the dark woods.

[@latenightthinker4737]

I personally would've shut myself. Have you ever gone hiking at night? Hearing that shit makes you feel like you're next

[@FollowedGaming]

@@latenightthinker4737 Exact reason i don't go hiking at night shits scary

[@Skybreaker1337]

Would explain why the ditched the car as well. Scared shitless + schizofrenia from their "leader".

[@nimalli]

but there was a baby and woman in that group. Don't think Joseph ran into them.

[@andrewkaye2108]

I think they might have tried to help a woman with a baby, protected her from a pyscho bf?? Idk. But remember, the old man said he saw a lady with a baby, if he wasent hallucinating them, maybe they got threatened and ran from their car and his and were too afraid to go off in the car and to use the heat and lights at the trailer.

[@lipstickgamer6580]

This case breaks my heart. I can’t even imagine what it must have been like for those men, it just makes me so sad for them and their families.

[@vamppanic]

you’re telling me this man survived a heart attack and then walked 8 miles in the snow in the middle of the night??

[@augustbaptiste9001]

Yes

[@evanpoole7829]

That’s what I’d do. If I’ve survived a heart attack, I’d feel confident af. No way will a bit of cold kill me if I survived a heart attack

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

Probably thrombosis at some smaller arteries or something. Heart attacks can be more severe than others

[@bigmanbarry2299]

Some people got shit to do in their lives. A heart attack and a 9 mile hike in “freezing temperatures” is just a minor inconvenience. Hell my parents suffered similar on their way to school. Daily

[@HardWhereHero]

Actually it was early morning when he walked to the lodge. At least that's what several others have stated when the cover this story.

[@OneTopic]

I’ve been really enjoying your new direction lately. Your old library is comfortable to go back and revisit, but your new stuff is really intriguing and exciting.

[@LiamLimeLarm]

hi OT!

[@ivediscombobulated93]

right?? i love this new turn so much its nostalgic to see the old videos but the new ones mwah nexpo is rlly giving me life but you do too btw you and human no 1 are making me very happy :3 thnx

[@LeveyHere]

Why hello there

[@muffin_pat_axolotl_8368]

Oh hey man ☺

[@showoe3126]

neat to see you here topic

[@sorridusnaku2120]

This guy treks for miles in the snow whilst having a heart attack, what immense balls

[@Rahnonymous]

Some people are far too stubborn to die.

[@matthewtucker7410]

I can see the headlines "Man to Angry to die"

[@eggy7346]

My back started hurting thinking about how difficult it'd be to carry such balls

[@jonnymac8925]

He walked 8 miles in a snow storm, that's wild as hell!!

[@sorridusnaku2120]

@@eggy7346 Theory time: The nuds carried him.

[@corwinchapman8270]

I'm sitting in a well lit, pretty busy office at 10am with only one headphone in and your sound design STILL gave me goosebumps. very well done man

[@glowstone6448]

I actually had to take a minute man. This is so sad. These guys just wanted to have a good time with friends and they vanished. I teared up a bit. At least they had each other.

[@kitsuneray]

Do you happen to be INFP by any chance

[@glowstone6448]

@@kitsuneray I wouldn’t know honestly

[@glowstone6448]

@Tim Evans lol oh god

[@fangbite6969]

right? near the end i actually cried, had to stop watching for a bit. so painful, I hope these boys are at rest and at peace, no matter what happened out there

[@jacksonwidaman8261]

Bro I need to make red stone lamps

[@draxzers]

If Mathias was off his meds for over a month, I doubt he'd be able to function.This might've also expedited urgency to leave the camp for civilzation, and probably impaired his ability to think straight - let alone set up a heater.

[@noodleboop6093]

But still able to play basketball?

[@marianbailey1105]

@@noodleboop6093 they mean while he was lost

[@ydrm_red7130]

Nah like science channel or id

[@drinkzcoffee5183]

Even on his meds anything can trigger PTSD like episodes in some. Hearing someone scream/ scream for help could have panicked him and made him run off, his friends may have chased him and calmed him and then gotten lost. Knowing his friends died and then seeing his third friend laying there dieing in that trailer could have triggered him again. Unable to stay, unable to help, unable to think straight he may have left again... Mental disorders are rough and so unique. And with each guy having their own set of challenges it makes this case quite sad.

[@draxzers]

@@drinkzcoffee5183 This could make sense but... Then we're talking the other 4 men not being able to identify there was actually a man calling out for help. If we're to say Mathias was unreliable, we can be sure the other 4's realities wouldn't be disturbed. Even so, if more than one heard the call for help, it would be significant enough to say it wasn't a delusion. Since you've made me think of this... 1. Man calls out for help after seeing headlights 2. Problem is: he also had his headlights on - at least by what the video demostrated. So why couldn't The Boys see him or his car? 3. If we're connecting the two happenings - the man stranded could've called out and mistook hearing a woman - especially when you consider weather conditions. 4. The Boys could've turned their car/ headlights off to see/ hear the cry for help better. 5. Considering conditions and environment, it could be easy to assume that they went out as two seperate groups. A couple staying behind (would explain the window), and the others going to look. 6. Seeing where the first group of friends left, it wouldn't be a jump of logic to assume they followed the same path. 7. It could also be that the headlights/ sound of the car wasn't enough to bring them back, ultimately leaving them lost within the forest. I'm not disagreeing with you in this response btw. I'm very familiar with mental disorders and live with DID. Though, we're talking quite a jump, especially for someone reported to be clear pf episodes for 2 years. It's an unlikely coindience that these two groups find one another, probably have similar experiences, then Mathias has an episode which causes them all to die in the wilderness.

[@nathan8750]

THIS is what I'm looking for someone who covers mysteries and horror. Netflix doesn't do it for me, they usually dramatize it WAY too much and are too extra about it, but this guys just telling us the story, giving us the facts, and builds up the suspense much better

[@austins.2495]

They stretched the Elisa Lam story out to almost 4 hours... extra indeed

[@nathan8750]

@@austins.2495 RIGHT??? It took them 53 minutes to get to the elevator footage...

[@Killertiger2000]

When horror is done right and they don’t overuse jump-scares it can just get under your skin striking that nerve just right

[@wmhfv992]

Cayleigh Elise's true crime content was also well done like Nexpo's, I miss her so much.

[@nathan8750]

@@Killertiger2000 that sounds really interesting. im going to try looking for it please let me know if your able to remember what it was

[@wanye8438]

While there are a lot of horror content creators out there, Nexpo's videos just hits different.

[@MrChainChomp]

Real asf

[@untaken1618]

Meballen hits hard too. Both channels are cracked.

[@celtics2024]

Lemmino

[@poultrypants]

bro I should not have watched this before going to sleep 💀

[@kinhtero6357]

@@poultrypantsme too bro i have a very weak heart 😢😂

[@TK0921]

It's kind of depressing to think about how the three men in the trailer were still alive when people stopped looking for them.

[@vainpiers]

That's what I was thinking. It's so sad they weren't found earlier when they were still alive.

[@janycebrown4071]

What an awful way to die😢

[@yogitapurbia6704]

Its because they stopped the search altogether; and also isn't it sensible to check-in the trailer a few hours away if the weather is that bad to not continue?

[@bereruter0]

@@yogitapurbia6704 that's what i was thinking, why wouldn't they check all the nearby structures like first thing? Like if you're a person stuck in a place like that, you seek shelter right? so why don't they check any type of shelter first. Unless they didn't know where the car was found at the time of searching, i forgot that part of the timeline.

[@PBnJayyyy]

its typical for the cops to give up on innocent lives, though.

[@metro_5017]

THEORY: while getting out to move the car, the boys heard the cries for help and got freaked out and ran into the forest.

[@diegola-bella9375]

this comment is currently underrated, that makes a lot of sense

[@bitx4441]

That might be the unknown force

[@mrtaco0078]

why would they not go to help tho or atleast see whats up

[@aurum316]

@@mrtaco0078 I wouldn't help if i heard someone in a forest either

[@mrtaco0078]

@@aurum316 i mean i can see where you're coming from, but if you were a grown man in a group with 4 other grown men would you not atleast try to see whats happening?

[@Jz63892]

"He was known to have spent over 100 dollars on pencils for no reason" y'all just don't understand 🙄🙄

[@---nobody---]

There was a reason, just one that no one else but him could understand. 😅

[@torgaddon1]

My goals are beyond your understanding

[@ana_d_73]

Understandable. Have you seen the price of Prismacolors lately?!

[@abigaileldritch]

Prismacolor be like: 👀

[@dooby5833]

stationary is so fun to splurge on i SWEARRR

[@kikadra6782]

this case is always crazy and it never fails to make me feel very sad and disturbed. may they rest in peace

[@JediPlays0309]

KZbin is scamming you if they don’t pay you extra for this quality! Maybe you can get a Netflix show or something like that? I’d definitely watch it!

[@warrior3456_]

nope they pay for popularity

[@JokeyMalokeyYT]

That would be epic

[@probablynotdead7501]

Nexpo needs a podcast at least

[@thealt1375]

Stop being everywhere

[@meraiahwilson1925]

@@probablynotdead7501 yes he does!

[@jomontanee]

This is sad and ironic at the same time. A man alone in the wood, dark and snow with a heart attack survived the ordeal but the strong 5 men together couldn’t.

[@hjjj1797]

Damn. The death can come to both of em but he said why i cant make this more interesting? Rest in peace, boys

[@antzrantz3883]

And a non running car

[@wheatvegas7286]

@TGDS one was a schizophrenic and the others were lacking the intellectual ability or couldn't do basic tasks. i truly feel so sad for them, people with mental disabilities can lead to a fate worse than death.

[@SP-kk1sj]

The 5 men were handicapped so...

[@creed22solar123]

@benji they were challenged mentally but they were physically strong, but I'd say you're exactly what you say they were (I'd call you that directly, but youtube keeps censoring me)

[@aidenv5630]

It’s honestly insanely depressing knowing they could’ve prevented their deaths by a few simple actions.

[@ForeverInDiapers]

Agreed. This story makes me extremely sad.

[@djordjerasic7482]

Its weird to me that nobody considers the fact that they, due to their medical profiles, didnt act in a way that someonr with common sense would. They simply made the worst choices and it ended up that way

[@bamboozler3302]

They were in a horror movie.

[@aidenv5630]

@@djordjerasic7482 as someone that lived around special needs children aswell as adults, it’s extremely plausible.

[@blitzey2182]

Looking back on events always showed how a few choices could save millions of lives... ww1 is a good example of it.. but that’s 21st century insight they didn’t have-

[@emilygracey]

Having come up around Marysville, this is almost folklore with the younger generation now, thanks to KZbin. It's a fascinating case, especially when you realize how close Chico and Oroville are to each other, and you wonder how it all went so wrong. Absolutely fascinating case.

[@SnugLife]

I thought my internet actually got messed up lmao

[@swarnimvajpai6373]

Lol same😂

[@jtof9371]

Lol same😂

[@magicalframe9441]

Kinda shit my pants ngl

[@SnugLife]

@@magicalframe9441 BRUH I LITERALLY JUMPED SORTA IT'S 3;00 A.M WHEN IT HAPPEND lmao

[@Lemongrabbs]

Same 😂

[@albertg237]

This is straight up better than Netflix's Unsolved Mysteries

[@mickeymousewithouttheclubh6584]

@obvliv._. It actually was as well.

[@misterbuklau4053]

Forensic files is really good

[@lonewalkerproductions]

yup

[@WobblesandBean]

Go check out Lemmino. That's the guy Nexpo is trying to model his latest videos after, so if you like this, you'll really love Lemmino

[@misterbuklau4053]

@@WobblesandBean Ive seen them

[@yikesonbikes15]

I truly think these men got into a bad situation, one that their disorders made worse. I think Mathias may have had an episode, gotten overwhelmed, and led the group into a bad circumstance. The one who died in the room with all the food, like many ND people, may have just gotten hung up on the fact that the food wasn't his to eat, and didn't want to risk getting in trouble, so he only ate when he was literally starving. Maybe the ones who set off walking were attempting to find help? Who knows. Terribly sad.

[@vikramrajiyer]

Sorry, what does ND stand for?

[@WorldCupWillie]

@@vikramrajiyer it stands for nincompoop doofus Seriously though, i think it stands for Neuro Divergent

[@joma5721]

@@vikramrajiyer Neuro divergent people, in this case.

[@PeetaGrifffin]

That's a possibility. The guy who was found dead in the lodge was probably not dead yet when the other two or maybe just Huett left the lodge to find help.

[@aldo1871]

If you’re starving to death you wouldn’t care whose food it is

[@shiffpup2529]

I watch some channels like this, that discuss creepy/scary stuff, but Nexpo is the one that really sets me on edge. It's a combination of his narration, music, and video that is the perfect combination of freaky.

[@Neptunequeen42]

Honestly it’s horrible to think about but it might just be panic and bad decisions. As someone who used to struggle with mental illness and anxiety I totally know the feeling of that “oh god I fucked up, I have to commit, I have to keep going, oh god it’s getting worse” mindset. Missed their exit - distress, panic, don’t know how to turn around on a freeway. Keep going. Get “stuck” when you’re not actually stuck? Panic, don’t push the car but convince yourself you have to go get help on foot. Find shelter with food? Oh god it’s someone else’s property, if we eat this they’ll get us in trouble, etc etc etc. I can absolutely see the decision making here. Even without disabilities, people who are panicking and under pressure are more than capable of losing their common sense and logic.

[@mang0_cat444]

Excactly

[@Jollerygrokes]

Idk that's to convenient for all of these decisions to be based upon anxiety. When you are starving and freezing to death I'm pretty sure the last thing you would be thinking is I don't want to steal food and heat for my life.

[@PhilosophyofElivagar]

This is the best run-down of events I've seen so far

[@theproplady]

I remember when I was a kid, a bunch of my classmates and I wandered around the neighborhood, and came to an empty house. One of my classmates mentioned seeing a shadow in the house and we were soon all convinced that the house was being robbed. We ran to another house and called the police, who broke into the house to have a look, but found nothing. We had just gamed ourselves into thinking that something sinister was happening. I can easily see a bunch of developmentally challenged men feeding off of each other's fear like that, if they had issues with parsing reality.

[@PhilosophyofElivagar]

@@Jollerygrokes "people who are panicking and under pressure are more than capable of losing their common sense and logic." I'm not saying that's an answer for every fallacy, but it's the same principle why people take their clothes off after freezing to death. Perhaps they thought whatever was in the cans killed the guy 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@AmayaHinageshi]

I have a theory: after a series of bad judgement calls due to their combined lack of expertise in these circumstances, the first two men die of exposure while the other three make it to the cabin alright. They stay there for awhile and are doing alright, but at some point Gary’s schizophrenia medication wears off and with no additional doses on hand, he experiences a mental break and runs off into the woods. Jack tries to chase after him, but gets lost in the snow and neither men make it back to the cabin. Ted, now alone, and suffering from a “lack of common sense” doesn’t know how to react or carry on, so he wraps himself up in blankets and waits for the friends who aren’t coming back. In this way he eventually gives up and succumbs to starvation.

[@lesliek2246]

I honestly think that your summary of events is likely the closest to what happened. In one interview with Ted Weihers family they mentioned that he once didn't leave his bed despite there being a fire because he needed to "get a goodnight sleep because he had work in the morning". He was definitely extremely reliant on the other men and I believe he was left alone and very well could have been the last to pass away

[@prototypegaming5458]

Bro if that's right then that's just an awful way to go.

[@bassandbeer]

2 sets of headlight's = 2 cars & 2 Flashlights in the beginning.

[@madelynnsanmiguel5074]

Maybe he didn’t use any of the supplies for himself so he could have some food and other supplies left for when his friends would come back but they never did :[

[@TheNikhilify]

Maybe he was also sick in cabin due to cold and couldn't really get up cause of fever and passed away....

[@skeleton208]

Everytime Nexpo pauses, I imagine him turning over to the next page to read the second half of the sentence.

[@AbhishekNayar]

Yeah that was awkward

[@riardhrigillespie8161]

Until the videos showed him I thought he was one of those speech bot things.

[@theRealSlimGordon]

@Tim Evans it's supposed to create tension. Pretty simple and effective.

[@suedonnym]

@@theRealSlimGordon There's better places to pause than in the middle of a sentence

[@jeremyelbertson4427]

He must write big. Cause he can only fit a sentence into a page

[@mk3ric13]

I come back to this video like every 6 months. Absolutely love the way it's narrated. Sick graphics. Just a well put together video man. More of these would be sick!

[@joesdownfall9908]

Agreed, this was a video that never left my head and lives rent free, I just came back after 8 months and i'm so glad i did.

[@riverrunpastadamandsteve]

The strangest part for me is the unopened food and unused heating.

[@andrewfornes5458]

A lot of learning disabled people have a thing with avoiding getting in trouble, if I had to bet, they didnt eat the food because it wasnt theres and the only cans opened were when they were unbearably starving, or by the two who left after the guy died. The one who died in bed was the one with the worst disorder, he probably convinced the others not to eat it... died and they ate and left.

[@BerserkerVision]

@@andrewfornes5458 they were coherent enough to play basketball on a team and drive. there is no way anyone could have convinced them not to eat the food in front of them. they are not potatoes, that is survival instinct. the question is how did they make it 19 miles without dying?

[@hanslanda8303]

@@BerserkerVision they got that wetard strength that’s how

[@kynto]

@@hanslanda8303 ok

[@teatarou]

@@hanslanda8303 lmao wow

[@AlextheKaijuFan]

As soon as I saw the title of this video, I just knew it would be about the Boys From Yuba City.

[@touko_nanami]

What’s your favorite kaiju?

[@ebutuoy0312]

Never heard this story before!

[@lewydmusic]

Get your headphones and relax.. it's time for Bedtime Stories!

[@endor8witch]

@@touko_nanami the Trivom Screamer

[@wheatleythe_bigmoron_1179]

@@touko_nanami otachi

[@bludowski]

commonly known as "the boys." every group of guys ever

[@Abear-ur8ir]

Fr

[@veggsbacon1891]

Very generic honestly.

[@RobertEPS12]

"The boys" are simply whoever you want them to be.

[@Rahnonymous]

The boys will be the boys 🤷‍♂️

[@veggsbacon1891]

@sofitional J. *BEANS!*

[@jr5925]

Doesn’t seem like such a mystery. Four boys with learning disabilities and one with schizophrenia got lost in the woods during a harsh winter and died. Video even says most of them lacked common sense and struggled with basic tasks. Seems this explains the various anomalies.

[@snekboiboop]

i mostly agree. i dont thknk their disabilities soley caused this, but it wouldve made a difficult situation even harder. my thought is that after hearing joe yelling for help, it couldve scared the boy specifically with schizophrenia? his unease could've spilled over to everyone else, causing alot of the events

[@lilybird4030]

@@snekboiboop I thought this! Once you put yourself to the mindset of 'we are alone in the woods and trekking towards the unknown for help', any deviation or outside anomaly can be interpreted as a threat, even to an ordinary person. You don't tend to think the woods are filled with Friends Who Will Help at 2am, even if you don't have schizophrenia. I don't believe poor Gary Matthias did anything to hurt his friends - if anything, being 'more aware' of the situation would have made everything harder for him, shouldering the load that the others couldn't cope with. That also might have led to them making the seemingly illogical decision to leave for help - if Matthias was paranoid about how frightening their situation was and suggested that they leave, the others may have trusted him to know what he was doing given that he knew the area and was also considered more 'with it' than the rest of the group. I believe that, after two of their number died en route to the trailer, the three remaining realised how hopeless their situation wasand that they should probably trek for help. I imagine Huett and Matthias leaving Weiher, doing the worst of the trio, tucked up in bed with some cans opened for him, and each setting off in seperate directions in a quest for help, and both dying on their journeys, leaving Weiher to expire on his own in the cabin with all of the others dead.

[@zmyt_017]

That one guy starving to death next to a fridge full of food is pretty brutal.

[@keitsukishima5808]

When I’m binging Netflix but the kitchen is more than five inches away

[@juicybones1696]

i think he might’ve been too weak to open the food, or he had no idea he was there

[@sharrpshooter1]

Honestly, I think they brought his body there after he had already died, or was too weak and slowing the group down, it seems very weird the others didn't have cans of food on them when they were found dead, or that they didnt patch the broken window

[@EmilyEverclear]

@@juicybones1696 I know it's not the same, but I have a brother with autism who would probably rather die than take food that didn't belong to him.

[@sharrpshooter1]

@April Callohan but he mentioned there were 10-12 already open cans around, giving me the idea they were able to open some of them

[@lara3540]

I know this is kind of unrelated but I feel like your editors/animators are waaay too rarely praised by us fans. I mean as someone who can’t even animate text - I could NEVER! Props to them! Edit: Just found out that you animate your videos yourself! I bow even deeper then. KZbin should really give you a raise haha!

[@kylesunshine2731]

That’s nexpo. No one else. He learned 3D animation himself to improve his recent videos.

[@katybug6572]

@@kylesunshine2731 wow that’s freakin awesome

[@lara3540]

@@kylesunshine2731 WHAT? Damn. That’s freaking awesome! Mad respects to Nexpo then!

[@Bassist-Beneath]

@@kylesunshine2731 I thought that was the case but I wasn’t sure if he had a person or two helping him out. That’s so fucking sick, he’s clearly learning fast

[@starshiiinebby]

Omg, he does this himself?! 🥺😭🤧 Nexpo is PREMIUM CONTENT.

[@kate39363]

I live and have grown up in this area my whole life. That stretch of highway, even today, is a bit confusing, especially at night. I’ve gotten turned around and ended up on the Quincy exit instead of the Oroville one. I can totally see driving with a group of friends, busy chatting away and not even notice that you’ve made a wrong turn. It’s notable that they all, in some way or another, had some kind of intellectual impairment. I don’t think anything malicious happened, I think they got turned around and frazzled and people who already had a hard time making quick and common sense decisions made a series of error in judgement. Mathias’ body was just never found. That’s my hot take! It’s a sad story no matter how you tell it.

[@RoboKestrel]

It's a stretch to think anything malicious happened here. And all these guys had some severe intellectual impairment. Nothing here is surprising.

[@roseclouds5838]

@@RoboKestrel i don’t think you understand just how vicious people can be to those with disabilities, it’s no stretch to imagine anything bad happening (maybe not in this situation but the immediate assumption isn’t far fetched)

[@concernedviewer7715]

Also one of them was schizophrenic veteran who was known, to be prone for irrational reactions and had randomly triggerd delusions. He could have had an episode at some point, and might have convinced the others that there was some danger waiting for them, on the road. Later they migh have believed Shones was part of that, hence they tried to avoid contacting him. The others having mental disabilities , could easily have been susceptible for such concepts.

[@zeppkfw]

@@concernedviewer7715 We may never know really. All these are very possible although we just have a lot of evidence supporting both

[@SpitFactsAndThenDontReply]

@@RoboKestrel no not all. One of them only had schizophrenia

[@DZblaze]

This is the nexpo I remember subbing to YEARS AGO, you are a pioneer and classic writer on KZbin, an OG for sure! Much love!!

[@pyk_]

One person says "pointlessly spent one hundred dollars on pencils" while another says "amassed an incredible pencil collection for only one hundred dollars".

[@psychadelicpotato8580]

Im with the latter in normal situations ✨✨

[@marsieg8394]

I was looking for this comment 🤣🤣 Currently watching rn, but I would be highly judged for my impulse choices if my homies characterized me w things like "that lunatic once bought a 100 pencils"

[@sussyimpostor6158]

The duality of man

[@otapic]

"pointlessly spent one hundred dollars on pencils" It's not pointless, where do you think the guy from the math problem comes from

[@hannahbg1852]

Lmao true

[@barrysteakfriessimp_real]

so _he's_ the one who's been plaguing my life with confusing numbers...

[@JustOneFletch]

Definitely wasn't pointless after he went back and bought a pencil sharpener.

[@WaterLopp]

it's only pointless if the pencils are broken ;)

[@yurimessiah]

do y'all not use mechanical pencils

[@snorf525]

I'm just glad that one guy survived his heart attack

[@jamgin9890]

@ItsAnOddMan my guy why would people talk about how to tell if you're having a heart attack... if they were just a death sentence? lmfao

[@kaprory]

@ItsAnOddMan my grandma has had four.

[@snorf525]

@ItsAnOddMan trust me I was right there with you

[@generichuman2044]

@ItsAnOddMan they work on a scale of severity. A 1 would be someone having chest pain and a change in beats/rhythm but who isn't at deaths door. A 10 is someone who has a major artery blockage, has already suffered cardiac arrest and needs immediate surgery to save their life

[@Daswassuphomie]

@@generichuman2044 what a scary way to go out :/

[@BigBadBrains]

Sometimes I listen (or relisten) to these at work just for the vibe. The atmosphere of Nexpo videos makes them interesting to watch even if you aren't watching.

[@VirreFriberg]

What boggles my mind about this case is how the dude managed to walk for several miles with a heart attack

[@jrsleao]

of asymptomatic heart attacks. If the blocked artery/vein is not a major one then the damage to the sorounding heart tissue is minimal. If the person is otherwise healthy then a minor schemia is not life threatning. It is possible to recover even without treatment if there was no lack of oxygenation or damage to the hwart tissue. Not that strange to be honest.

[@jrsleao]

It is not unheard of. Infact there are many cases

[@yo-no9879]

Man the human body is a lot tougher than we give it credit for.

[@nah-y4e]

@@jrsleao but to do an 8 mile hike hours after a heart attack? One so great that he admitted he could be hallucinating?

[@jrsleao]

@@nah-y4e True. We do not know the excat details. If I could see his x-rays and blood tests and electrocardiogram I could say more. However, minor heart attacks are recoverable even withou treatment. He could allucinating from the cold and stress from the extreme situation. And fear. I am an experienced hiker. However, sped the night in the wood in pretty scary. If you are lost and having a heart attack the ammount of stress and fear can be overwhelming.

[@nyabis8044]

It is possible that Shones' screams for help could have pushed the Five to abandon their car and flee into the woods. It was dark, the men were probably worried and on edge, and throwing in an unknown man yelling at them would probably freak everyone out. With four of them being intellectually disabled and one suffering from schizophrenia, they may not have realized that it was somebody needing help instead of someone who was possibly dangerous.

[@eduardocolella]

maybe, but why they would be up there in the first place?

[@TheBlakus420]

Or Shones is a liar and possibly/probably a killer

[@kbholla]

Who was the woman woth the baby then? Since it was so dark, how could he have deciphered that it was defintely a woman, definitely with a baby?

[@TheBlakus420]

@@kbholla That's a good question 🤨🤔

[@eduardocolella]

@@kbholla there was no woman and no baby. Believe me.

[@snowcoalRC]

Given that 3/5 of them were described as "not smart", I feel like its entirely possible they made dumb mistake after dumb mistake and eventually didnt make it

[@BT-ex7ko]

On top of that Mathias had Schizophrenia. A very very important part Nexpo never elaborates on is his medication. I doubt Mathias kept his medication on him - but if he did - they were still stranded out there for approximately 2 months, possibly 3, before their deaths (And I doubt he was given scripts longer than 30 days). Even long term modern injectables for Schizophrenia only last 30 days before needing another dose. I believe Mathias simply was slowly pulled back into a schizophrenic mindset and while in these delusions, got terribly lost - ultimately passing away.

[@snowcoalRC]

@@BT-ex7ko Thats a very good point. It definitely would not have helped their situation if Mathias went fully delusional as he was one of the smarter ones.

[@BT-ex7ko]

@@snowcoalRC Copy-pasta as I added more to my thoughts while replying to someone else and it also touches on your addition! "People joke about Schizophrenics being violent, but thats not often the case. It can however make you delusional. I'm certain Mathias simply slipped back into a delusional state while they were lost - leading to himself becoming even moreso - before passing away. Although its stated he didn't have a cognitive disability, depending on how severe his Schizophrenia symptoms were, the meds, and the dosage - it could have also made him similarly cognitively limited. This would explain, why someone who went through basic training and served in the army, however brief, would end up so lost and forget survival skills."

[@PatchworkDuckie]

@@snowcoalRC it's worth noting that people off their meds for schizophrena are usually more of a risk to themselves than to others. in this way, its not that mathias would have meant harm, but that he could have accidentally led the boys into it, thinking he was helping. its such a shame : (

[@RaeNapier64]

or that one of the "smarter" ones manipulated and possibly injured/left the others out in the wilderness

[@Pixe1Ga1axy]

I live in Yuba County, Yuba City to be specific. Anyone under 30-40 has no idea what this is. Thank you for talking and explaining it.

[@SkibidiSpencer]

That “journey back home” intentional glitch totally freaked me out. I had to watch it a second time. Wow. You’re seriously an amazing talent. ❤️

[@PatrickMPlaysDrums]

yoooo i thought i was gonna die myself. i probably missed about three heat palpitations though.

[@blah_loops]

I almost pissed myself Jesus chfisf

[@mooganify]

its cheap

[@slimetime185]

Fr I was tryna listen to this and go to sleep and that glitch woke me right up and I started tweakin

[@carrie5194]

I got scared too 😭

[@kabar123ar]

this is the saddest thing ive ever seen, i cant imagine the fear that these guys felt, especially the more disabled ones alone in the snow and starving

[@michaelhuerter1921]

I feel more bad for the guy in the trailer, knowing he had all that food and simple solutions to survive but I assume he wasn’t in the right mentality as mentioned

[@jaykay8144]

My guess is that the one with schizophrenia was driving back, had an episode, and was able to relatively easily convince the rest of the group that his delusions/hallucinations were reality and they all just followed him into the woods until they got lost

[@vonkaiser6817]

I concur. As soon as he said schizophrenia and dependencies I thought this. The others, having depended on others (to some extent) for their entire life would be easily convinced of anything Gary said.

[@vonkaiser6817]

I also think that in the rush of this whole outing he didn’t take his medication.

[@thysonsacclaim]

You obviously don't know anyone with schizophrenia.

[@bugboyx2189]

That, or he had a schizophrenic episode, went crazy, and killed the other four, and then came to, and unwilling to accept what he had done and to avoid consequences, just disappeared and went off the grid.

[@Wolfgang8-Y]

@@vonkaiser6817 Anti-psychotics are a cumulative medicine. It takes about a month for them to both build up to full effectiveness and fade out of the system. Missing one dose wouldn't be enough for him to experience a sudden psychotic break.

[@TheChrisV.]

It's nice to hear of places and a story that I actually know for a change, unfortunately it's such a tragic event tho... Good video none the less.

[@youremyfavoritesong9868]

Same, my mom even went to UC Davis

[@dannymiller7187]

I live near this area and drive down highway 99 all the time. It gives me such a vivid imagining of the story. Love when a story happens in areas near me.

[@Swegite]

is nobody gonna talk about how shones’ saw two people with flashlights? after they found huett’s body, they also found two flashlights. what if the flashlights that shones’ saw was huett and mathias?

[@MrMorganEnjoyer]

What if it was... *Someone else*

[@MrMorganEnjoyer]

His heart attack saved his life

[@rickwrites2612]

@John Houser Yes and scientifically even in healthy individuals during daylight, eyewitness memory is not reliable. I am shocked it is given so much weight in courts now that we have surveillance and better forensics. Every time you re-member a memory, your brain is not going back to an original like looking at a photo album but rather actually recreating it. Every time, any tiny detail your brain doesnt actually know gets filled in with supposition. But your brain also accepts/believes the suppositions *just as much as facts*. You cant tell that you are doing it and you cant tell thrm apart. example a study took people and told them they called parent or older relation and were told a story about how they had been lost in a store as a child. They were then asked to describe what they remembered about it. Many people shated their memories of this event in great detail. But none of them had ever experienced being lost as a child. The researchers just told them that. So tjey created a memory that fit with what *wouldve* happened in their particular childhood. Another study, people are told to watch a short game of pickup basketball between two teams of 6 men. One team wears white tees and the other black. The subjects are told to make sure the team wearing white doesnt cheat. In the middle of the game a man in a gorilla suit walks into the court while the men still play ball, dances for 15 seconds in th ed middle of the game and strolls out the other side of the court. Afterword when asked about the gorilla, no one watching the game saw or remembered it and were shocked when shown the video. Because they were focused on what theyd been tasked with - paying close attention to the players in white tees. That made the players wearing black become visual background static to them- including a man wearing a black gorilla suit. If we have a task most of our attention is on that only. Even if we see something else with our eyes, its peripheral and may not be even processed because it is irrelevant to our purpose. This is why its hard to trust some eyewitness statements when the happened to see something by accident but were there with another purpose. Depending how intense that purpose is. I am more suspicious when a story never changes even in wording or detail because that could mean the person has just memorized how they initially told their story and are not honestly trying to recall. This is how we keep many of our most concrete childhood memories... by relooking at photos and rehearing family stories. Add in the dark, some distance and a heart attack, and even the mans original story carries little weight. And it doesnt mean he is nefarious or even abnormal.

[@theaudacity4432]

What a convenient time to have hallucinations that happen to coincide with the number of missing people and their circumstances when their bodies are found. I do agree that his story is weakened by the fact that he change it but we cannot discount the face that is highly possible that he really did saw them after all the distance of the car from him is relatively near.

[@LynnAgain83]

@@rickwrites2612 well said

[@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD]

Apparently sometimes a heart attack is just a temporary inconvenience.

[@superluminalsquirrel9359]

It’s not always a death sentence... but still serious. I believe he said in the video he had a procedure done after he made it out of there.

[@superluminalsquirrel9359]

@Jol's Got A SOH I’m sorry to hear that. That’s much too young :(

[@thomasmorris9283]

@Jol's Got A SOH my friend was 19 years old, full bill of good health and turns out it was a thing in his family

[@skedyt]

Only 40-50% of heart attacks are fatal. Some people survive multiple.

[@FlorSilvestre12]

Recent studies suggest period cramps may sometimes be more painful than heart attacks so yeah, they're serious and debilitating but not necessarily to the extent that a person could never power through one in a desperate circumstance.

[@BoomiestBomb]

I like how the presentation's creepy without being ugly. It doesn't offend you with how corroded and beat up its décor is. It just feels like it's beyond understanding.

[@candy-ninja]

Yeah, the 3d models look good too even though they're pretty simple

[@marcuscarana9240]

After reading and learning about this case. Sometimes, mysteries like this are often answered by the most simple answers. Most likely, either they wanted to go somewhere, or had a wrong turn and got lost(gps wasn't a thing yet that time). When their car got stuck, they started to panic, then a stranger calls out to them in the middle of the night, in the middle of the woods, so they panic even more. They hide by turning off their headlights and shutting up. Scared and spooked, they try to find a way back to civilization getting even more lost, more tired, more scared. Until they collapse from hunger, cold, exhaustion and then die as it was a harsh winter. Again, a simple explanation and the most likely one. There's no twist, there's no mindblowing plot elements like you see in Netlfix, there was no plottwist villain Matthias spontaneously kiIIing his friends. They got lost, panicked and the harsh weather made it hard to think clearly, they made mistakes and got further and further lost, until hunger, exhaustion and hypothermia kiIIed them one by one. Oftentimes, the most baffling mysteries have the most obvious answers.

[@lancey8366]

Coming from someone who lives in a mountain state, people go to the mountains ALL the time to do psychedelics as well. Especially young people. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they all went up there to trip out and ended up getting lost. Ik people that have similar stories to this where they go into the mountains to trip out and someone gets lost and nearly dies or does die. A group of 5 young guys after a big basketball game, all grab a bunch of snacks, fill up a tank of gas, and head to the mountains, that's exactly the type of scenario a lot of young guys can relate to with their friends. People do it every weekend,

[@poperaymond431]

It appears that the boys were all having a good time chatting amongst themselves. When, the man called out for help in the woods in the middle of the night, they got spooked. They all stopped talking, turned off the headlights, flashlights, and slowly left the scene. All of them had mental health issues & some with schizophrenia, it’s not far fetched to think that they perceived the unknown scream for help at night as a threat.

[@loudggtv5544]

exactly, maybe they were so scared that they turned off their car lights. One of them was crying (the baby) and maybe of them had a really high pitch voice?

[@keaton3258]

I guess so, but why would they leave their vehicle? Why would they never come back? They surely would've hidden and then come back to their vehicle, or at least got back into the vehicle after getting scared since thats a far more reasonable action to getting scared, even with mental issues, than running into a dark forest.

[@KOMODO_7]

@@keaton3258 Absolutely..

[@mmoaaz8325]

He saw 2 cars. Where is the other one?

[@loudggtv5544]

@@mmoaaz8325 the old man imagined the second car.

[@godzy3528]

The quality is getting better and better and better

[@Nexpo]

I appreciate that Zytraex thank you🙏🏽

[@godzy3528]

@Nexpo Honestly, can see the hard work you put in and it really pays off! 😀

[@drewmlg7310]

1 day?!

[@doublej7056]

How did you comment yesterday?

[@evan2623]

and so are his pauses between each.... ...word

[@sargenttibline3165]

WEIRD THEORY: i feel like the 2 pairs of headlights was the mercury with the hi beams on, they technically have 4 headlights. the “baby” couldve been a short one of the five and the woman was the one with long hair. the 2 flashlights on the side of the road were the mens when they came back

[@ihavewaited90daystochangem51]

Oh hello brödher

[@andys189]

Blurred vision can be a symptom of a heart attack, so maybe he "saw" two sets side by side when reality it was just the one pair being distorted in his vision.

[@katybug6572]

True...

[@eyan4329]

The "baby" could have been one that was just on a lower part of snow then the others

[@mylesperry7880]

It seems like a stretch to interpret a short person as a baby. Even if one of them was a midget that would be quite a bit taller than a baby

[@finnishspotter7958]

This right here, is a MASTERPIECE of a video. Thank you.

[@fredricbodhamn9182]

The guy probably had a schizophrenic episode and Shones yelling for hep possibly convinced the boys that someone was after them.

[@LanceVanceDance84]

I know for sure that if I were alone at night out in the middle of the woods and I heard someone calling for help, I'd absolutely be hesitant to check it out as I'd be wondering if whatever they're in danger from could also endanger me, or if the cries for help are actually a trick to lure me into danger (perhaps I've played Red Dead Redemption II a bit too much lol). If I were with four of my friends I'd probably feel a lot less intimidated, but then again none of us are mentally impaired and/or schizophrenic, so I can only imagine how these guys reacted to hearing those cries. Probably freaked them the hell out, and I can totally understand why.

[@sed6657]

I didn’t even connect those dots!!! You’re probably right.

[@gavinojames1]

for real. the schizophrenic stuff could have happened

[@ponny2948]

Exactly my thought. My uncle has schizophrenia and he often has delusions like such. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this were the case.

[@slopcrusher3482]

I don’t like the idea that someone who was medicated for schizophrenia could just “snap” even though they were medicated. With that being said, if I was completely lost, disoriented, and someone was yelling at me, I would probably run too. You can’t really clearly hear what someone is saying from far distances away, so to them, it would have sounded like something yelling at them from somewhere.

[@nataliemccaw9666]

This is such a surreal story to see you cover - I was born and raised in Yuba City and have known about the Five for basically my whole life. Yuba City is an incredibly strange place... it's a town full of secrets. Oroville and Sutter are the same, if not worse. The energy is just always... off. And you grow up hearing a million local stories like this that are unsolvable and often inexplicable. The town's got a special place in my heart for the memories, but I can't ever go back for longer than a few days. I'm not that superstitious, it's just an unnerving place to be. Keep up the good work my guy! You've been killing it lately!! EDIT: ok so this got a bit of attention haha! So i wanted to share some of the "secrets" I meant... full disclosure, i have not lived in yuba for about 16 years, so my stories/experiences come from a different era and might not reflect those of the people living there now. But anyways, as others have mentioned, there's quite a few murders/missing persons cases that just kind of fall out/are never discussed or solved, and if you want to go into the more urban legend side of things, me and a bunch of kids used to talk about "things" seen in the orchards and on highway 99 (the 99 itself was a bit of an urban legend for me and my family - came from the amount of accidents that happened on it when the fog would roll in). Also the big thing for me is that - among just the people I personally knew - there have been SEVEN people who led insane double lives, often involving really heinous crimes and causing terrible harm and trauma to others. My family knows of a few others, but I'm not including them because I don't know all the details/didn't know them personally. I can't go into any more detail than that because it's a sensitive subject matter... I know all small towns have their fair share of secrets, but yuba always seemed worse to me because of just how much was hidden, and how much hurt was caused by all of it. Real people are unfortunately much scarier than any urban legend or superstition.

[@zombiethederg6434]

Uhm- ARG maybe?

[@zombiethederg6434]

Sorry its just what this comment screams to me

[@nataliemccaw9666]

@@zombiethederg6434 no worries I get it lol, I’m not trying to claim there’s anything inherently “wrong” with the area, just my own personal experience growing up in a small, rural part of California that most people have never even heard of. Interest in this specific case kicks up every few years or so, but other than that it’s still pretty rare to hear the area talked about. I guess I got a little excited to share my thoughts! and tbh as a fan of content like this, I’m actually kind of honored you’d say I reminded you of an ARG... that just gave me some pretty dope bragging rights lol

[@sou1creeper211]

@@nataliemccaw9666 Well ya kinda did, you said "It's a town full of secrets" as if it's nightville or something lol

[@ijfdse]

@@nataliemccaw9666 I'm from Chico! I can relate.

[@luke-qq1sd]

you and lemmino make better documentaries than netflix

[@davidsanders2336]

Yes

[@mcgannpster]

Fact

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

Agreed

[@pranshugupta7458]

WE NEED THEM TO COLLAB

[@sergf3624]

ummmmmmmmmm no are you serious neflix is known for making great docs tf?

[@SomeRandomPangolin]

this video was probably the first one of your vids I ever watched and it got me hooked, and now I patiently await every upload. keep up the great work

[@vivian3003]

Nexpo could so easily put a jump scare in here randomly and scare everyone, but he chooses not to and I thank him for that.

[@ikewhite6832]

... the stuttering made my heart jump in terror

[@Kain1805]

It would just lower the quality of his videos, it's good he doesn't do that

[@katybug6572]

Same!

[@pulpil10]

i could not even bother to watch anymore if it were to happen, it's not 2012 anymore

[@KosmicznaPluskwa]

the glitch is enough of a jumpscare if you watch it at night ;"D

[@PadChennington]

Gorgeous thumbnail

[@marsandbars]

Ayy, it's Pad Thai.

[@wheatleythe_bigmoron_1179]

ikr

[@DJ-Krimson-Steele]

*Beautiful

[@Fennnnn]

@@DJ-Krimson-Steele naw both is fine

[@xmajorax1]

Oh shit, whats up paddy

[@13lood13ath]

"he passed a vehicle of 5 men, that would soon become enveloped...in one of the strangest unexplained mysteries...................................................................................in history."

[@hannahbull]

Bro I love his videos but the pauses in this one went on for way too long

[@JustElleYapping]

THIS. It kinda hurt my ears having to break for that long and then just go "in history". Love the content but the one thing that ruins this for me is the amount of way too long pauses.

[@keitsukishima5808]

Not the only Time too

[@rosiej9655]

The pauses in this video are quite annoying. It's really high quality and the story is interesting, but the narration at some points is just so irritating.

[@silly-goose]

Trying to pad out watchtime me thinks

[@phairygirl]

Perhaps Ted died and the others left the cabin to get away from the corpse. Being a bit slow perhaps it did not occur to them to bury the body or at least take it outside. But then maybe they didn't want to handle the body. So they left the shelter that could have saved them

[@kitchenjail3546]

The PS1/2 graphics, and the subtle red/blue shift, along with camera work, sound mixing and editing, make for an incredible vibe. It's almost like watching a horror movie.

[@itatube7594]

Too many pauses

[@navisakura7374]

@@itatube7594 I agree, all of it was amazing but i feel like he could have used less pauses for a more dramatic effect, as it looses its edge after the first few times

[@colinmelendez9824]

this guy and lemmino make some the most professional commentaries, like damn

[@karldenby1942]

this video has some heavy lemmino influence

[@alexarias5717]

@@karldenby1942 agreed lol

[@Laika4895]

One of the hardest hitting things about this case is just seeing their faces on screen, and then on rewatches imagining them scared out of their minds slowly freezing and starving to death over the course of a few weeks to months. I'm possibly autistic myself, and have a friend who is mentally disabled and just imagining him in that situation breaks my heart in a million pieces, let alone 5 guys alone and scared out of their minds. My heart goes out to everyone affected by this and their families. The Boys may not live on, but their stories will. Rest easy, lads.

[@hermishmer]

It's even scarier for me CAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST STORY I'VE EVER HEARD IN MY COUNTY

[@tonyjuliocappo5459]

Kind of hard for me to feel sorry for someone that was so slow they couldn't realize they were freezing and starving to death when they has food and heat to survive 🤦🏽‍♂️ these type of people should have been locked in the house 24/7

[@tamareti6335]

@@tonyjuliocappo5459 that's why it's sad though. They were likely trying to survive and couldn't figure out how. You're looking at it from your perspective, look at it from what was likely theirs.

[@navisakura7374]

Im diagnosed with ADHD and high functioning autism, and this is probably one of my worst nightmare scenarios. In inches of snow, weeks on end, in a forest where no one can here you scream for miles...

[@firstnamelastnamethirdname]

Sad that if there was any evidence left of them or what happened its now probably permanently gone forever because of the wildfires.

[@barakschaart5079]

7:04 man i swear when people do this it ALWAYS scares the shit out of me, insane editing and video btw man!

[@quinnlaya331]

"Journey back-journey back ho-ho-ho- hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" I can imagine how scary that mustve been for someone watching late at night.

[@awhahoo]

Where is it pleaw oh god fuck shit im watching this at night i revret my decisions immeny

[@ulasoznc]

Shat. My. Pants.

[@yourconscience8018]

Scared the shit out of me

[@icedcat4021]

yeah lol, wasnt expecting it whatsoever

[@riot7733]

Welcome to my situation

[@mishymishy3005]

This story always breaks my heart. Those guys worked hard to make lemonade out of the lemons the universe dealt them. They didn't deserve this fate.

[@jjcoola998]

Yeah it's really tough man, you really articulated it well

[@aannisaalmirah5282]

thank you for articulating it so well. i feel terribly sorry for these men, can’t imagine the nightmare they have to face that night.

[@dabeetusflakes293]

Did their lemons get stolen?

[@Dewtart]

ur so right misha if u ever need someone to talk to or a shoulder to cry on I’m always here! just as friends of course haha!

[@capralmarines4043]

@@Dewtart wtf

[@maplereyes8843]

I feel like this could have been solved if they hadn't treated the case as 5 Neurotypical & Capable Men Lost in the Woods, rather than looking at it as 5 individuals with mental health and developmental disabilities. They kept thinking like "why would these five dudes just run off and not stay in the trailer" but...one has schizophrenia, which could have accounted for the "something" pushing them to leave the car, and the rest all already had less of an ability to problem solve than NT people, so put them in a stressful and terrifying situation, and considering that can throw off a fully capable individual, just imagine how it affected their abilities as a neurodivergent group with no direction.

[@sharrpshooter1]

I agree, but that would mean Joe is lying. If he really did see two sets of headlights, and then a couple people with flashlights coming back later, it would completely change the line of thinking for this case

[@maplereyes8843]

@@sharrpshooter1 Well, you also have to take into account with him that having a heart attack can cause hallucinations. Seeing double isn't uncommon, either. I think his testimony was in general, unreliable from the start because of this, since there's no guarantee at any point, he was lucid and coherent enough to know 100% what he saw was factual. At best, he did see them, but didn't know where they went, and at worst, he didn't actually even see them (or anything) at all. It was overall unhelpful to the case other than helping them figure an area to attempt a search.

[@sharrpshooter1]

@@maplereyes8843 I would believe the first one could have been a hallucination, but the second one hours later?? Thats whats werid to me. Also if he had a heart attack so bad he was hallucinating how hours later was he okay enough to make an 8 mile walk, something that would be incredibly straining to anyone in their 50s (assuming since he had kids and heart problems). Idk, if it wasnt for his account, this case would make alot more sense, but his story is an oddball. Also the chance of him hallucinating it the same night they went missing is insane to me (he could be making up a story for attention but I dont wanna get into that line of thinking honestly)

[@maplereyes8843]

@@sharrpshooter1 I mean, to be fair, what were the odds he'd have a heart attack at all or be up in the same area at the same time they were on that night specifically? I do agree that something doesn't quite add up and I'm not sure what it is or what, if any, part of his story is fabricated/imagined. The flashlights also could have been the men walking around, or they could have been completely unrelated individuals exploring the woods, it wasn't helpful enough information even if it wasn't a hallucination and that's truly unfortunate.

[@sharrpshooter1]

@@maplereyes8843 I feel like the one piece of information that would have been very helpful was where did Joe get his car stuck in relation to the abandoned car he allegedly walked past, cuz if he was miles from it its unlikely, but if he was 100 something feet from them then that is suspiciously close just circumstance wise. Also the window this is werid too, regardless of what happened they were stressed, but if he had a habit of always keeping them up, its very hard for people to break their habits even in time of distress, and I feel like this would be more difficult consider their disabilities, those habits keep them grounded. Idk, I also think the police just botched the search effort, not maliciously, but more out of lack of care or something of the sort, more could have been discovered imo

[@shorlipop5735]

Never have seen a youtube video with this format. It is increadible, truly awesome. Congrats🎉

[@skelly-eh8qb]

If you like this video then you would like Lemmino's videos. His videos have similar topics and in a similar style!

[@candycorn8750]

Yo I’m watching this at 1 am and the “glitch” when you said home, freaked the fuck out of me.

[@skeletonseason]

i love knowing i'm not the only one. i froze up real fast.

[@brittneybrisbin744]

4:30 AM for me and same lol

[@jackpulley541]

Omg same it’s 1:50am right now and my window is open + I’m home alone just kinda shit myself (in New Zealand)

[@AAM29290]

@@jackpulley541 what part?

[@sierrakimberley4808]

2:30 am scared the shit out of me , had to rewind just to make sure it was editing lmao

[@AndrewSmith-iv2cg]

Hey Ryan. So, strange thing. I’m related to Ted. My dad was up there in the woods searching for those guys when he was 21. I was considering heading up there since I live pretty close and wondered if there’s anything you want me to check out or take pictures of or anything. This has become my new obsession after telling my folks about your video and how it was close to us and my dead responding with “Yea, Ted’s your cousin, I was up there searching for him.”

[@TravisBickle0312]

If you do go there don't get lost and end up freezing to death like these guys.

[@brendanmurphy3800]

The area is not very hard to navigate during the day

[@Raygunpew]

Did you end up heading up there? See anything interesting? Tell your dad he's a brave man, I can't imagine searching for your nephew under such circumstances would be anything less than crushing. I hope he and your family are doing well.

[@SirAlexOfTheGuitar]

Hi, this case has obsessed me for the past couple years. I live in California and want to do the same as you one day. The thing is that none of the sources have been consistent with the information they present. I've seen/heard that the cabin was about 11 miles away; other sources say 4 or 19 miles. Some say that it was at the Daniel Zink campground; others say that it was just a standalone cabin nearby. It's extremely frustrating because I want to go and see if I can find anything, but it seems damn near impossible to find the correct spot.

[@gm6393]

Did you ever end up going

[@tomnevins1904]

Here's my take on what went down: After a long day, Gary offers to take over driving duty from Jack Madruga on their way back to Oroville, not an unusual thing for a friend to do. While driving home, however, Gary starts thinking about his friend in Forbestown, and suggests that the group go up there to pay him a visit, to which the group agrees. However, due to it being late at night in the forest with low visibility, they miss it. At some point, possibly in an attempt to get better visibility, Gary rolls down the window. Eventually, managing to avoid undercarriage damage due to the amount of snow on the road, they get stuck on the snowdrift, and get out of the car to debate what their next move is. Joe Shones sees them (although his exact perception of them is muddled due to his heart attack and the low visibility), and he calls out for help. This, however, spooks the group, and they percieve it as either an agressive wild animal, a murderer, or some unknown monster (paranoia in the group isn't out of the question here, and it's possible that Joe, suffering from his heart attack, garbles his cry for help). They then quickly abandon the car, and retreat a short distance away. They do have enough sense to return to the car, but Joe's second cry spooks them away for good, making them think that whatever's out there isn't abandoning the area anytime soon. They then try to follow the road, believing that it will lead them to shelter sooner or later. Jack Madruga gets worn out rather quickly, and stops to recover his stamina. William offers to stay with him, telling the other's that they'll catch up. Jack soon find that his strength is failing him, and succumbs to the elements. William tries to drag Jack along with him (either that, or the dragging was done by wild animals who were eating their remains), but soon slips under too. By a miracle, Gary, Jack Huett, and Ted survive long enough to find the Daniel Zink campground and the forest service trailer. The snow has made getting through the door impossible, so they break a window to get in. They're able to live there for a time, rationing the food cans to last longer, but eventually Gary and Jack decide to head out to find the other two and/or find help, leaving Ted behind possibly because his strength was failing him, or they wanted to make sure at least one person had the resources to survive for a while, or because they thought they would be coming back. Regardless, they head out, bringing flashlights and sevice blankets with them. After a while of searching, they begin to turn back empty-handed. Gary, not having acces to his medication in a while, and dealing with the mounting stress of the situation, has an episode, and runs off into the woods. Jack chases after him, leaving the blankets and flashlights by the road, but soon gets lost, wandering in circles until he becomes severely hyposthermic, stripping off his layers as he percieves himself getting hotter, and then dies of exposure. Gary manages to run a decent way into the woods until he too succumbs to the elements, animals eventually scavenging on him to the point where what little is left of his remains will likely remain hidden forever. Ted, either crippled by anxiety and indecision, already weak from exposure to the elements, and/or believing that the rest of the group has died and giving into despair, stays bedridden under the covers (his shoes are off because he is used to sleeping without them on, and believes that the socks and blankets are enough). If there ever was an attempt to block up the broken window, he isn't able to maintain it, further exposing himself to the elements, and eventually surrenders to a slow, cold, and painful death.

[@jimenacastillo5726]

this... is a really good theory

[@Kobe_Jay_Kenobii]

Yea this is probably it

[@xXRacer9000Xx]

I would like to add that all those snacks and sugar might've hyped them up to go out on a detour. I also highly suspect Ted died in bed as result of trying to heal from sickness or previous frost bitten feet.

[@NeverKnowzBest]

This is what I've been looking for, and almost word to word my theory. The only difference with mine would be that as soon as they get to the trailer Jack immediately grabs the blankets and flashlights and says he's going out to find the other two who they left behind. Gary stays behind to watch after Ted and they eat some of the cans of food. After an unknown amount of time withought Jack coming back (maybe enough time for Gary's lack of medication to start affecting him) Gary takes the better shoes and goes out to look for Jack or has an episode and panics. Leaving Ted alone. They both get lost in the snow and Jack loses it and strips his clothes, dropping the blankets and flashlights. Ted (lacking common sense) doesn't make a fire or board up the window and his bare feet get frostbite and he eventually dies from starvation after not being able to walk.

[@Allenluvable]

Wow, I like the thought you gave. It's all very plausible.