Next Gen Intel GPU MASSIVE leak! Why this could be GREAT | 9950X3D and 9900X3D update

[@lolmao500]

A 200$ 12GB GPU would be nice.

[@DelgaDude]

I mean that would be a 1080p card and at that resolution VRAM won't really do much.

[@kunka592]

@@DelgaDude Monster Hunter Wilds uses 12+GB VRAM at 1080p with frame generation.

[@userblame632]

@@DelgaDude literally stalker 2 that just came out is vram limited with 8gb at 1080p. This is the case with other games too. It will matter how fast a $200 12gb gpu will be, maybe it will be slow enough that youll never run above low/medium settings so vram wont be an issue. Again, with stalker 2, a 3060 12gb is a good bit faster than the 3070 8gb. If this $200 theoretical gpu is comparable to a 3060, 12gb would be nice like the OP said.

[@enderland5914]

This will most likely be 250 or 270

[@DelgaDude]

@userblame632 Another extremely unoptimized game that runs bad even on the high end GPUs.

[@nerdedkyle3515]

Intel please don't give up on dedicated GPUs i know y'all are struggling but damn we need a 3rd choice. I hope these cards are awesome and priced good maybe bring down prices from the red and green guys

[@natearrigoni]

I have been supporting them with some for my builds. I have 2 Arc's now, might get a Battle Mage too.

[@RobinGething]

intel/amd/nvidia have one thing in common. they are all working towards a general purpose SOC with Gfx cores, general purpose cores and AI cores to be as close to each other as possible. This is an inevitability. "discrete" died with the 1080. every generation is merely working against reality as we all realise throwing a kilowatt at the job is asinine. 50watts will do if we just have these processes nearby. sorry, your rig wont look fancy soon.

[@Squiggly667]

The problem is people like me. I bought a 1080, 2080, 3080, and 4090 on day one. I plan on burying a 5090 day one. Intel can't compete with Nvidia's true high end.

[@adamek9750]

Intel CEO here, yes because of this comment I will divert all resources to the graphics division and not cut the next project. Thank you for your support

[@MS10x]

​@@Squiggly667 No you are not a problem, you are just rich

[@CombatMedic1O]

Please intel let's go. We need competition. I'm hoping by next gen they got it all figured out and can compete with the 90s.

[@CalanReichel]

They are only launching these because they had prepurchased allocation from TSMC. I find it doubtful they will do this again. Laptops only is what I would bet.

[@TooBokoo]

Competing with the 90s definitely doesn't sound realistic, whatsoever. Lol

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

They don't need to compete at the high end. They just need to be competitive in the middle and low end.

[@syncmonism]

@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 Unfortunately, Intel is having serious financial troubles and has been winding down their discrete GPU development to cut costs. Likely they will be back to doing only integrated graphics again after this generation, and I don't think they're going to produce many discrete GPUs for this generation either. They're going to use the GPUs they have already committed to paying TSMC to make probably a couple of years ago, but I don't think they're going to make any more than that.

[@ChowHound1337]

You better be first in line to buy one Cheering like that

[@marstedt]

No one needs a 12-pin Nvidia connector when the 8-pin is reliable and established. Nvidia has created a reliability and compatibility issue while at the same time not solving a problem. Great.

[@Lurch-Bot]

I won't buy a GPU with a 12VHPWR connector. I've been through a house fire before and I'm not interested in playing with fire. If AMD starts using them, I'll probably just quit gaming. I've done it before.

[@marstedt]

@@Lurch-Bot This is the way.

[@THU31]

@@Lurch-Bot There have been three iterations of that connector already. The 12V-2x6 shouldn't be affected by this issue. It's fine having one or two 8-pin connectors, but any more than that starts getting annoying in terms of cable management. And if the 5090 really draws 600 W, how many connectors would you need? A new connector design is necessary, it just has to mature. One day all cards will have the new connector and we won't even remember the melting issues.

[@kazuviking]

@@THU31 How hard would it been to combine two 8 pin connectors with a single latch. The 8 pin can do way more thsn 150W on a single connector.

[@anshulsingh8326]

And nvidia GPUs don't even use 12pin. 2 wires don't connect, they comes with wire cut by default.

[@MAHDI-kw4pr]

That white asrock looks clean as hell.

[@brianzjones]

Agreed. I really dig the Steel Legend series. -bZj

[@abeidiot]

I have the steel legend motherboard. This gpu paired with the motherboard would look clean as hell

[@kazuviking]

And ugly as hell. Looks like a toy for showing off.

[@CallmeBae]

*bae has a big question, bae uses the intel iris Xe dg {asus} card to install on the celeron PC on bae channel,bae download the graphic card driver on the shengqi page. When only that card is plugged in, the screen is black. But when plugged in with Arc a750 (only plug the riser into the pcie with the auxiliary power cord, not plugging in the display output) plug in the display output by display port of the iris vga, the pc can be used and it is still receiving iris. The graphic Xe can use so much %, i also tested the card loading 100%, and the arc does not plug in the display output so in gpu 2 it says 0%. That means my celeron PC is definitely using the iris card. But bae does not understand that since til now,i still cannot let the machine run on only the iris card every time i remove the arc, the screen is black even though it is clearly not plugging in any kind of display and using display by Asus iris dg. Bae asked a lot of people in Vietnam but it seems like only I have encountered this situation in my country. I hope someone has an answer to help me because since then I have tried many ways like changing the pcie slot or trying to insert a different card with iris but nothing is working. If you knows the sistuation or anyone who capable of dealing with this, please contact f.b bae bê*

[@slc9800gtx]

I agree. That white card look really nice.

[@Hi_Im_o2]

B580 with 12gb as their minimum is very good theyre beating amd on vram amount now too as b580s compete with 8600/5060

[@jamegumb7298]

If they get me a 24GB at remotely reasonable priced one I am all over that shit no joke.

[@christophermullins7163]

They will not be competing with 5060. Even 8600 is going to crush the b580. Mark these words. Sorry but Intel is not going to surprise anyone. I expect 20% uplift so 6650xt. Probably still a generation behind the other 2 companies. I believe that Vram and price will make it competitive though. I am sure the 5060 ti will be 12gb though it will be $500 likely.

[@Hi_Im_o2]

@christophermullins7163 5060ti will be 16gb and what do you mean as of rn a580 and Rx 6600 are equal in performance that's why I said 8600 not the XT variants

[@brucepreston3927]

I doubt it will compete with a 5060...It would need something like a 75% upgrade in performance to do that, and I just don't see that happening...Not unless it costs $350...

[@EdDale44135]

I thought the B Arc was a 4060 competitor. So a 5040 level of performance?

[@lharsay]

Having an Asrock model is a positive suprise, I only expected no-name brands.

[@Eonymia]

It was partially expected since they were (pretty much) the only major brand to support Alchemist, so I'm glad to see they stuck with it for this one.

[@direct34]

I prefer reference or these random off-brands if the price is right

[@lharsay]

@@Eonymia I feel like both Nvidia and AMD are doing Asrock dirty (forcing them to have paper thin margins) which is why they support Arc.

[@phoenixrising4995]

Question is will Asrock be their Intel's EVGA.

[@zerro7473]

If they bring good cards around with battlemage i hope there is a white version ;)

[@johndelabretonne2373]

Disappointing to see that the upcoming X3D parts aren't going to have vcache on both CCDs.

[@beak0771]

Probably the extra cost doesn't justify the performance gain

[@ElderGamerX]

If they sort out the scheduling nonsense, then it shouldn't be a big drawback. Provided they get games running on the correct CCD 100% of the time.

[@farmeunit]

Zen6 supposedly will.

[@mojojojo6292]

@@ElderGamerX Scheduling has been sorted for months. Most games work automatically. For the ones that don't you just open windows game bar and tell it that the program you have open is a game and it will only use the x3d cores and it will remember that.

[@Psychotoxic86]

​@@beak0771In this case it is useless and not worth it. I thought to change my I9-14900K to 9950X3D, but now...Okay, will wait for official announce.

[@KeyboardSavant]

Pretty unfortunate news regarding the 9950X3D, but that was to be expected. I think some of us were holding out for the possibility of a surprise layout for that variant. I suppose we’ll find out come CES, but now I’m a little less excited.

[@thornstrikesback]

I am still hopeful. If AMD give us an easy way to disable the non 3D cores, then the 9950X3D could still come out on top with overclocking. A 9950X3D overclocked to 6.2GHz with the non 3D cores disabled is a possibility.

[@mojojojo6292]

@@thornstrikesback There's already an easy way built into windows game bar. If it doesn't automatically work you can just tell windows that the program you have open is a game and it will only use the x3d cores and it will remember that.

[@tadsnyder2756]

For everyone clamoring that we need competition …..you actually have to buy the gpu’s for the competition thing to work or They just fail 😊

[@pockether]

Yeah 😂😂, "we need competition, let's go" Meanwhile bro is ready to buy the 5060 8gb vram

[@RTukka]

Buying inferior products just tells the market that some minuscule portion of the market will buy inferior products, and, at best, it will produce and market more inferior products for that niche. It's counterproductive to the kind of competition most of us want to see. That's the problem. Barriers to entry are high, and it's hard to make a compelling product. In GPU, Nvidia has a huge mindshare advantage that is hard to overcome, but it's supported by a significant technology advantage, and network effects (Nvidia is the market leader, so developers prioritize supporting Nvidia). There are market segments where AMD, and maybe Intel, offer genuinely competitive products. But even if relatively high-information consumers (like the ones who follow this channel) were to unfailingly buy those products where it makes sense for them, it'd hardly move the needle. Intel and AMD just need to catch up technologically. And market their products better. Nvidia's dominance is not on consumers.

[@be0wulfmarshallz]

Remember that every article and youtuber will be begging you to buy Intel GPUs and that its good competition while not even using it for themselves just like last time. And they'll be praising all its features and driver improvements despite the fact people are still having a lot more issues than AMD or NVIDIA. And they'll make a bunch of videos at the beginning with a huge slant towards its competitive and a good buy for lower end. Meanwhile charts right now show the ARC cards as bottom tier for value. Why would anyone be a guinea pig

[@imaginalex5850]

I truely hope intel doesn't give up on gpu's, this is a very good proposition / idea to have a budgt 12gb card, they have an impressive upscaler / xess upscale accelleration mode and ray tracing is very very impressive on their cards.

[@IHazPeppers]

There's a storm outside, got the curtains closed, heater fan purring, fairy lights on, drinking a hot chocolate, wrapped up in bed, listening to my favourite tech youtuber go over the latest leaks and tech info. It doesn't get much better than this.

[@noiiaz96]

vibes are high, enjoy!

[@whitebeartigtig]

just don't do a bios update and you'll have a great night

Like seriously this is one of the very few tech tubers that is not baiting or repeating the same things others already said.

[@fugginrambo]

I'm coming over with my sleeping bag, Capri Sun's, and a box of Gushers......If my mom gets approval from your mom that is. Hahaha

[@kevinerbs2778]

This reminds of me of a SONG!

[@wow_horac4663]

My guess is 250 to 280 for the msrp. If it hits 6700xt/ raster and usable ray tracing it would be very interesting product.

[@eliadbu]

remember it will need to compete with next gen cards from AMD and Nvidia, so 6700XT perf at 250 - 280$ - probably won't cut it. RX 7700 XT at that price would be enticing.

[@t1e6x12]

@@eliadbu I agree. If its 250-280 and the same as the 6700XT then you couldve pretty much gotten a B580 a year+ ago. Not so exciting.

[@HeadBassVTEC]

no one cares about raytracing performance at sub $300 price point as it's not usable anyway upscaling is what matters though (and raw performance and power) 225w for rx6600 performance would not be exactly great since the rx6600 is 175w and undervolted about 100w, so hopefully it's way less than the 150+75 limit that the connectors can supply only 8 pcie lanes is a bad news as well, many people with pcie3 and pcie4 waiting for a decently priced upgrade option probably

[@jorge69696]

@@HeadBassVTEC More and more games are RT only. AMD ain't doing so well in those because of their lower RT performance.

[@AndyViant]

Realistically a 30% raster jump over A770 is quite achievable, and XESS 2 and ray trace capabilities should be substantially better than FSR and even 7600XT ray tracing. It should be viable at it's price point. Don't expect miracles, but if it's competitive, has the vram, and the XESS Intel could be on a winner. Dunno that B580 will quite reach that level though, it's clearly built for a lower budget. But can it match say as 7600 or 4060? I'd hope so or Intel has big problems.

[@cyberletho]

I want one. A 16GB model. That steel legend would look really nice with the new Steel Legend mobo.

[@SandTiger42]

ASRock is my preferred manufacture, so thats pretty exciting.

[@Lurch-Bot]

ASSRock.

[@normanmadden]

DeskMeet B660 here, only an Arc380 video card; looking for a new Intel Battlemage less than 200mm long.

[@LaurenceBlunt]

My first ASRock motherboard was an X470 SLI Master back in 2018 for my Ryzen 2700 build. That machine has been the most reliable PC I have ever used including all the ones from work (I am a retired Software Engineer who started writing code in the early 80's). In the last 6 years that X470 system only had 2 system failures/Blue-Screens and both were caused by Microsoft installing wrong GPU drivers over the correct AMD drivers I had installed during Windows10 corruptdates. My new (June 2024) Ryzen 7900 system and a Ryzen 7600 I built for my sister both have an ASRock (GP Lightning) Motherboards, all run perfectly and have Corsair DDR5-6000 CAS30 RAM. That system for my sister was build with a "Be Quiet" case PSU and CPU heat-sink as she hates listening to fan noise, it is so quiet that you cannot tell if it even running. She is not a gamer but does Photography and such so is just using the iGPU of the 7600, I am very surprised at how good that basic iGPU is, you cannot play modern AAA games like "the Witcher 3" unless you are happy with FPS in the mid teens, but older games like "Half Life 2"/Portal run at around 100 FPS with everything set to maximum @ 1080. (Note: The faster RAM makes a big difference with the iGPU adding about 15-20% FPS over base DDR5 settings) These two systems are new but so far are 100% perfect uptime with excellent performance. I have my 7900 using PBO with the BIOS preset of Temp limited to "85C & -20mv". When running Handbrake (2 concurrent jobs) it peaks at 120W and after 20+ minutes is still running all 12 cores at ~4.8GHz. Handbrake was the primary reason for my upgrade as the 7900 can now process Blue-ray's as fast as the 2700 could process DVD's.

[@richtheobald4390]

Really good news for us, more competition. Boy, Intel really needs a good launch right now!

[@keithmiller9665]

Be interesting to know what hardware quicksync trancoding improvements have been made and if they will be supported quickly in ffmpeg. No interest in games at all.

[@fpsoccer9791]

I'm expecting the B series will have about $20 up from last gen. If they don't keep it within that, I don't see how they will be able to compete. They will need to destroy the competition in value since I doubt they can beat them at raw performance.

[@VicariousAdventurer]

FP64 on arc is actually very good, but only crazy number-crunchers like me will buy it for that. Graphics performance is much poorer, so I'll rely on that to get a bargain with the gamers turning up their noses a little.

[@mytech6779]

​@@VicariousAdventurer Updates to the Linux driver code indicates Xe2 will also have int64. (I mostly use int32. Integer math is limited on all of the recent red and green. Only half of Cuda cores do ints eg.) I remember my Firepro W7000 (2011 and 4GB vram) had excellent hardware fp64. All of the new cards are decent with single precision flops but they do some janky software emulated double precision at about 1/10th speed. Anyway AMD never had reasonable support for GCN1 and so in practice it was near useless for general computation. Intel oneAPI(SyCL C++) seems like a much better tool chain than anything from AMD.

[@staryimoze]

If someone is wondering why XeSS is supposedly set to a higher quality preset than DLSS and FSR, then the answer to this is that Intel has lowered internal resolution for their presets in XeSS 1.3, so it no longer lines up with the other 2. Brilliant as always.

[@marsovac]

I like Intel's GPU naming scheme. Alphabet for generation, one digit for tier, and two for sku/performance. It could be even better by using the first digit for SKUs (they won't be having more than 9 anyway), and the last two for amount of memory. You would always know what you are buying. If there are variants you can attach a lowercase letter at the end or a plus. C932 could be the next Celestial flagship, with 32 gigs of VRAM, and C516+ a midrange 16 gig Celestial refresh.

[@Lurch-Bot]

ROTFL. intel has perhaps the most confusing GPU naming scheme.

[@manusiaorang2842]

​@@Lurch-Botit's pretty much like letter + cpu name

[@eustacequinlank7418]

Imagine if Intel came out with a 4080 or a 7900 XTX competitor for 575-600. If they go down in flames, it would be like the Terminator giving the thumbs up before they melted away.

[@thedeleted1337]

its not going to happen at that price point. Nvidia is giving up on mid-low tier, AMD gave up on high tier and is focusing on mid tier. That leaves intel a market share for low tier GPUs.

[@AnyHoo]

​​@@thedeleted1337apparently amd's 8800 xt is expected to match the 7900 xtx with better rt for 600

[@Lurch-Bot]

Keep dreaming, lol. Been watching this industry for 35 years. It ain't gonna happen.

[@AnyHoo]

@@Lurch-Bot this has happened before yk

[@Roccobud]

@@Lurch-Botnegative nancy over here

[@yen-hsiang_huang]

"probably going to be faster than A580 or else why does this exist" well... we dont know, it is Intel...

[@laszlozsurka8991]

That's specially a bold statement after the infamous Core Ultra 200 launch...

[@ryanspencer6778]

Well, considering that 8 cores of Battlemage is already beating 8 cores of Alchemist at a lower power draw, it would take a lot for this to be worse than the A580.

[@inkredebilchina9699]

exactly. anything goes at intel. 🤣🤣🤣

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

11th gen flashbacks

[@zkf5448]

If intel really wants to capitalise on something is if they make a B380 low profile there would be literally no competition at that level and many people will just buy intel cards for that purpose one can only hope

[@pharmdiddy5120]

Truth! For all of us cheapo optiplex upgraders that's golden. If somebody made a decent low profile single slot, they could pretty much print money

[@jessiethedude]

That would be incredible

[@Lurch-Bot]

So you think intel is going to survive selling GPUs to 5% of the market?

[@GewelReal]

A380 hasn't done crap to change the market so why would B380 do that

[@GewelReal]

@@KoItai1 literally as fast as a 1650 and it has 2 extra GB of VRAM

[@Creeperdy]

I really like the naming of the gpus

[@B_Machine]

If they can get them out before Christmas in reasonable quantities, that'll be nice.

[@Lurch-Bot]

All they are doing is making sure AMD and Nvidia both upstage them, releasing early.

[@PandaP-]

@@Lurch-Bot They don't really have a choice. If they want market share, they need to grab the impulse buyers who are eager for next-gen cards (in general). If they launch after AMD/NVIDIA, their pool of buyers will be considerably smaller.

[@JasonAtlas]

I've been running an Rx 580 for years now. I'll grab the b580 if the price is right.

[@MaxIronsThird]

Leaks say this card has 4060Ti like performance, for $250 with 12GB, that does sound really good.

[@SuperfluousIndividual]

I really do hope these GPU's don't suck and that Intel takes the right steps that AMD never did when fighting against NVIDIA. Give us a GPU with the performance of a 4070 for 550€ like AMD did and we're back at square 1. Give us the same GPU for 300 or 350€ and there's no way in hell people aren't buying it. Please, Intel. Please.

[@StruggleBoxing]

The big question is do you still need Resizable bar?

[@TheHangarHobbit]

It has already been reported Intel laid off 50% of its GPU dept and Pat Gelsinger said in an earnings call that "discrete GPUs are not the future, AI is" so I wouldn't buy one of those if it was half an Nvidia or AMD card, as the support lifecycle with less than half the staff is going to be pretty meager and without constantly updated drivers it is a pretty paperweight.

[@kevinerbs2778]

A.I bubble is starting to pop right now.

[@Zeni-th.]

Mlid viewer? Opinion rejcted

[@PixelatedWolf2077]

So you only look skin deep? A leaker confirmed they're going through with Celestial too

[@mytech6779]

​@@Zeni-th. I watch MLiD occasionally for actual leaks, but yeah the guy is a whiny flake when it gets to analysis and opinion.

[@Lurch-Bot]

Not sure what he thinks is going to do the AI number crunching, lol. Yeah, there are NPUs. And they are still a small fraction of the performance of a high end enterprise GPU.

[@manuelg.5811]

They need to compete with the coming 50X series. If price/performance isn't on a killer level, it's over.

[@Workaholic42]

I don‘t expect much NVidia competition in the $200-300 range…

[@WilliamA-]

Intel is setting itself up for success with focusing on ai upscaling and ray tracing from the get go, cant wait to see performance on the coming generations

[@nostrum6410]

i really wouldn't expect alot from this

[@PixelatedWolf2077]

The RT on Alchemist isn't bad... It's weak, but it's better than AMDs by far​@@nostrum6410

[@zerro7473]

​@@nostrum6410why not have little hope

[@riven4121]

@@zerro7473 Looks at Alchemist. That's why. The A770 had a bigger die size and higher power consumption than an RTX 3070 (despite being on a smaller more efficient node). It performs like an RTX 3060 or 3060 Ti if it's lucky. It's not like Intel gave people reason to have hope.

[@PandaP-]

@@riven4121 Alchemist had flawed architecture. Thats why it was inefficient, even with the bigger die. They didn't have Execute Indirect baked into the hardware, thus they had to emulate it through software. Battlemage will have it baked into the hardware. And in real world usage, the A770 power draw is just 20 watts more than a 3060; which is negligible IMO. The only real problem, besides expected performance, is that not all AIB support ASPM for lower idle power draw.

[@obiwankenoobi4202]

Truth be told, i had a good experience with my a770, sure it had its issues early on but within a couple months all the problems i personally had were gone. Im sure it helped that i like to tinker.

[@NepDouble07]

Was really hoping to get an X3D 12 core and 16 core CPU where all cores have access to their 3D V Cache... Perhaps they're holding off since the performance would be... Insane? Guess I'm sticking to my R9 7900x for now.

[@kazuviking]

Wasted silicon with every core having 3D cache. Dimishing returns would hit really hard.

[@impuls60]

The cooling system looks so much more modern and effective this time around. Looks like a modern cooler from an nVidia card, so thats good!

[@LaserVelociraptor]

i like the design

[@AshtonCoolman]

I'm going to buy it just for the 12GB of VRAM. I'm pleased with the driver progress that my A380 has seen in the year that I've had it. I trust that the B580 will continue that trend as long as Intel doesn't shutter the GPU team or get acquired by another corporation.

[@Lurch-Bot]

I spent 2 years beating that VRAM drum until I realized that game development is completely stagnant right now.

[@gonderAmh]

Imagin guys Intel manage to perform a hold up on GPU like AMD did with Ryzen cpu ? It would the biggest come back in history

[@harveystedham9490]

I saw another article saying the b580 was targeting 4060Ti performance and drawing around 130 watts. That would be a pretty damn good effort from Intel if holds true. If that white board does indeed have 2*8 pins that might suggest it is much closer to the 200 w mark and they've added one for some oc head room. Or hopefully it's so they can use the same board for the b750 and the b580. Similar to the a580 i guess that still had two power connector like the a750 and 770 despite running about 180w? Which would be fine with 1*8 pin!

[@JB-jr3bm]

Daniel any guesses as to what specs we might see from the ARC 770 equivalent?

[@Lurch-Bot]

Still going to be a bad buy for anyone who plays any games more than 5 years old.

[@JB-jr3bm]

​@@Lurch-Bot I think you and I may agree that for gaming, a ryzen based CPU & GPU combo is best. I was curious about the 770 variant for several reasons regarding productivity builds.

[@ryanspencer6778]

​@@Lurch-Bot that's just straight up misinformation. My A370m runs older games better than it does newer games at this point. Assassin's Creed Origins has gone from barely 30fps at lowest settings at launch to 40+ at medium the last time I tried it. DX9 games run even better than DX11 games. It's DX12 and specifically UE5 games that hit Arc hard, but Battlemage is supposed to bring hardware changes that will help with that.

[@BearfootBob]

The 2013 release with XeSS is War Thunder.

[@kazuviking]

Some correction on the DP4a version. Its not DP4a path but Shader Model 6.4 path in DX12, FP16 vs INT8. Intel cross vendor locked DP4a path to only intel integrated gpus since 2022. Because of this lock the SM64 version is more taxing on other gpus resuting in worse performance overall.

[@LoganE01]

I honestly believe intel will eventually be a good GPU manufacturer.... May not be this gen may not be the next gen, but i know they can, and will eventually be very worthwhile.....

[@Adnan-si9wq]

Currently having RTX 2060 super 8g and a 500w PSU, going for any meaningful upgrade results in upgrading my PSU, so I am especially excited to see how this product does and rooting for Intel!

[@df0rce]

I am eager for the G31 Battlemage competing with 4070 super? Hope its a beast in video encoding though

[@kopros1679]

Xess looks very promising indeed. Not sure if it matters a lot but using an rx6600 to play cyberpunk, xess was giving me much better results than Amd's own fsr a few months ago.

[@stofthehoff225]

would having double the v cache increase performance even more than the 9800 x3d or would it just behave like ram ? when ur only using 10 g ram having 64 gigs will have no benefit ????? just curious !!!!

[@GraveUypo]

cache is in megs. for more cache to not make a difference you'd need like 16gbs of it. anything that goes through cache doesn't need to go through much slower RAM.

[@XashA12Musk]

i ran xess on gtx 1650 for "Miles Morales" and it looked great. i was getting 30-40 fps on native rendering( 1080p low) without anti aliasing, then i switched to xess performance and man it was so good to look at and solid 60 fps

[@ryanspencer6778]

With Arc you get access to the better version of XeSS. The version that Nvidia and AMD can use is slower with worse image quality. The version that runs on Intel hardware is almost on par with DLSS.

[@johnnycaps1]

Very cool, the way the "little man" moves around to point out objects on the graphic. Ok, sometimes the "little man" becomes a "Big Man". A very nice touch (no pun intended).

[@brucepreston3927]

I may buy one of these for my little newphews PC that i'm building for him...I hope this comes out before Christmas! I will like to try it out...

[@FastGPU]

Why the excitement???? Battlemage B580 won't be powerful enough to use 12 GB of VRAM in any significant way

[@puffallo1935]

Id rather have 12gb of vram and not have a performance benefit, then 8gb of vram and be limited in performance because of it

[@matgaw123]

1.7ghz a580 Vs 2.7-8 GHz b580 Also xe2 is big improvement over xe almost 30-40% This could compete with rtx 4060 ti

[@puffallo1935]

@@matgaw123 if we get that performance for 189$usd then that's a no-brainer Got any stats on the B750? That's what I'll probably be looking at

[@matgaw123]

@@puffallo1935 on all leaks there are only 2 dies mentioned 20 cores and 32 cores one and Possibly 24 core but not sure I'm not an expert I just watch a lot of leaks I have no idea what Intel is planning Also b580 would be probably unfortunately close to 200$ that 180 Because of frequency increases smaller node more VRAM but who knows old die was too big compered to competition because the architecture was not the best thus high power usage Also Intel was seeling and is selling those GPUs at loss And Intel lost discount in tsmc where those GPUs will be made

[@puffallo1935]

@@matgaw123 have you seen the undervolting videos on the a770? You can lower the power draw from 228w to 175w and performance only takes 1-3% fps hit Lowering the power of the card really barely affects its performance

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

I am super excited for Battlemage. What other name would be cooler for a new gaming rig than to have a Battlemage GPU..!! Also I hope they will release B770 etc soon too!!

[@reichfrog2]

So a 4.0 x16 card would slow this low end card? I saw a youtube video showing the A580 working at almost the same speed as a 3060 12gb and that was over a year ago.

[@Spreadie]

The 4060 uses a 8 pin power connector but is only a 115W card. 6 pin connectors seem to be getting phased out. A card could be 80 Watts and still require an 8 pin PCIE connector, these days.

[@kostihouse]

Did intel manage to get VR running already?

[@quantum5661]

pcie slot does NOT deliver 75w 12v, it does 66w.

[@juanford55]

12GB for 1080p sounds good, hopefully does have a decent performance, somewhere between 4060 and 4060 Ti perf for 225-250$ would be nice.

[@sikknstuff]

But does it sync with any technology to match any monitor's refresh rate...iff not, well, that sucks even with xmx cores and chips, i hope you understand how important for high RRates is the syncing with high refresh 1080p monitors

[@Rhinopkc]

Great format!

[@nimaahmadi-s7o]

I dont know a single person who plays weith Ray Tracing on... That's just a gimic feature IMHO .. Raw FPS is the only thing that matters to the mainstream gamers.

[@Lurch-Bot]

I've played Cyberpunk with RT on for a grand total of 45 minutes. What a joke. Biggest gimmick in PC gaming ever. But Nvidia sold an entire generation of GPUs on 'improved RT and path tracing', lol.

[@stuartthurstan]

Hello. Nice to meet you. I play with RT.

[@BrightsunSingh]

Hi. I play with RT on. Just letting you know.

[@nimaahmadi-s7o]

@ weird

[@damianich4824]

3:34 I mean, by saying "it's hard to get drivers right at the beginning" what are we even saying? The only data point we have on this is Intel itself, so all we're actually saying is "intel didn't get the drivers right, because intel didn't get the drivers right". This doesn't really say anything.

[@desktopstu4145]

dual 8 pin power connections means they havent solved the high power use of the A770 series (of which I have one)

[@kazuviking]

You can have dual 8 pin even with 170W power draw gpu, its cheaper to manufacture.

[@desktopstu4145]

@ possibly, I think the steel legend card is factory OCd to need the extra plug, and I’d guess it’s gonna pull around 280W at my guess.

[@thisisashan]

You are reading too much into what he said. He is stated purely core count. Benchmarks, as well as AMD statements, have confirmed that the 9950x3d has the same cache optimizations made in the 9800x3d. There is no reason to think a post about the core counts themselves being the same as last gen means that the vcache technology has not been improved as AMD has already discussed verbosely themselves.

[@Windguy5691]

So what I think, AMD would’ve been testing and checking out all options and probably found some difficulty adding 2 3D v-cache chiplets. Unluckily last gen AMD 79+0x3D the non v-cache cores were faster causing the confused usage of non v-cache cores in the chips during gaming. It seems they have fixed that with comparing 9700x with 9800x3D (they are the same clock speed). So likely the 99+0x3Ds will be same performance or faster. But won’t be any massive gains. You just get an added bonus on productivity.. and maybe better Civ VII performance😅. Why I reckon same or better? Because AMD seems to release their best last.

[@Zinkhal1]

18:25 i just switched from intel cpu not just because of the gaming performance but intel got pretty power hungry in the last years i dont like that .. and i switched my gpu from nvidia to amd and im happy with it for the 2 years i have it now ... but the idea of "budget market" pressure for amd is a pretty good point here ... because rich nvidia will not compete in the budget market they dont care about "normal people" anymore .. and yeah i know you can really read my frustration about nvidia after using their gpus for over 10 years with a good price and now its nearly double the price .... if amd starts to disappoint with the next 1 or 2 generations of gpus i will not hesitate to take an intel gpu if the performance and efficiency fits for me ... dont need a 400$ card ... and i dont need a 200+ watt card ..

[@Efsaaneh]

If i weren't gunning for a 4k system i would absolutely give intel a chance with an ultra budget system. We need competition, especially in the lower market

[@kismetrina]

No timestamps?

[@relucentsandman6447]

i would love to be able to recommend them, won't know until launch though

[@BastyTHz]

problem is will devs support xess ? that was less adopted even than FSR.. also there no feature like RSR or AFMF, i wanna see AI up scale that can use universally for game that not integrated up scaling. also 8x pci-e and 128bit mem will just kill it like what happen with 4060ti

[@bird718]

i'm defiantly going to upgrade the gpu on my daily computer from the 590 to something better, looking at battlemage or something AMD . not going to get ripped like i did by the market when i built my gaming rig a few years ago during the pandemic

[@boy-who-likes-bats]

i hope it does vr and emulation properly this time around

[@Hop_Off_N7]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Intel shifted to being solely a gpu manufacturer😅

[@AzariusR]

I doubt so as they had long term plans using Fabs and all,I mean if it could produce better chips than current reliance on TSMC, they aren't just gonna make chips solely for GPU when they had the ability to make CPUs for AI too lol

[@eajayy8969]

Ive been supporting them. Even if I have Nvidia or AMD in other builds. One of my main rigs has the a770 LE. Hope they really do well, cuz short of a few games the a770 stomps all games.

[@igelbofh]

You can't see xess even in Intel cards. It must be supported in game and there are less than 10 games that have implemented it. For a good upscale/framehen it must be done by the driver, not by the game

[@Daniel_Z35]

Why no cos(x)^2!!!!! on the title???? :(

[@FrancisFjordCupola]

When doing pixel-value-guessing generator comparisons, do put up a native resolution picture to go along with it so people can see what the picture was supposed to look like. The first generation of Arc GPU's seemed to be to be rather unbalanced; when looking at the power consumption, when looking at the raw force it was supposed to have, it felt bottlenecked and hope they solve that. Have an Intel laptop with Iris graphics and although that is not for modern day AAA games, it does perform quite adequate and more for 99% of my games backlog.

[@SubzeroBlack68]

I'm down for switching to Intel GPU's but I need something at 4080 performance minimum before I ever consider upgrading.

[@pharmdiddy5120]

Let me just tell you guys if you haven't tried it Ratchet and Clank looks amaaazing w XeSS even in Nvidia or AMD cards, but on the a750 TBH I didn't notice an improvement from already amazing

[@timschalau8425]

intel a770 user here. what i can tell is that intel need much more experienced users on their intel arc forum who can describe problems excactly. they will respond and care and also fix. long time i hoped they would learn about the data they get if you confirm this while the driverinstallation. but it seems they need an active forumcommunity to do so. besides am very impressed with the xess-performance but also with the raytracing-thing. cyberpunk 2077 is a good example. sadly the a770 is in case of software far behind its hardware expectations.

[@Choooncey]

it was a really good idea to put the lower spec card with more vram, and to get the featureset right like you said, it is unfortunate that nvidia has so much more r&d money, from the profit margins of their cards and from the SERVER side graphics market. I hope intel can eat some market share, and I hope the amd 8 series is also competitive

[@ctjmaughs]

I hope this helps with streamers

[@dannggg]

I’m rooting for them. I need this prices to be fricking reasonable lol

[@reichfrog2]

This is what I want, as long as the price is 225 or less and no weird Issues. This would be the perfect pair for my 12400f.

[@LprogressivesANDliberals]

I bought founders edition of alchemist a750 and a770 and one version of all Intel sparkle cards combined with one pc with a 15-12400 and another pc with a core ultra 265k, big fan of Intel 💯🙋🏾‍♂️

[@Lurch-Bot]

Well, ngl, all those components will be worth a lot on the collector market in 20 years🤣

[@clockworklegionaire2135]

Pc barely faster than a ps5 LOL

[@4brotroydavis]

1:50 i was literally typing "itll just be an a580 with stable drivers im sure" and then u slapped those 12gigs down on me....whoa

[@mytech6779]

Battlemage uses Xe2 cores, Alchemist are an Xe variant. (Variations are for HPC accelerators, mobile integrated, performance, etc)

[@Ghost_PM11]

AMD CPU and Intel GPU is gonna be the new meta

[@MarsMarsTitan]

I have the old A770 and it still has problems with old games.. I hope this new one is more compatible with everything 🤔🤔

[@goshu7009]

3060 12gb at this moment is around 350 Euro.

[@fastertove]

[@goshu7009]

@@fastertove Well, lucky you.

[@Lurch-Bot]

$180 on eBay in the US.

[@fastertove]

@@goshu7009 Not really. I bought the 3060 12gb I'm using right now during the shortage. Not only was it expensive, but had to try and buy three times to get one without insane coil whine :). The

[@goshu7009]

@@Lurch-Bot So, even better. So Intel Arc will wait :)

[@4evahodlingdoge226]

Are any of these gpus coming to laptops?

[@mytech6779]

Yes, Xe2 cores will be used in integrated graphics of both mobile and desktop CPUs.

[@bojinglebells]

I don't think 8 lanes on 4.0 is going to be an issue for such a low end card, maybe for someone trying to run it on a 3.0 system (Intel 10th Gen or older), although unless Intel makes SAM/ReBAR less mandatory for good performance, that would limit the reasonable niche scenario down to Intel 10th gen.

[@kazuviking]

Even on PCI3.0 you only see a single digit fps difference max.

[@itsjustdroid]

The pricing would have been nice. Still hyped about them though.

[@zeroturn7091]

They need to scrap the resizable bar requirement.

[@arlynnfolke]

i'm about to upgrade to rtx 5060 but 200$ for 12gb vram.. and likely have 50% (or even more) performance than a580 i think that would be great upgrade from my rtx 2060 super. i won't expect that alot from intel arc driver, i'm sure they will keep patch the driver just like AMD did back then.

[@martinvargas1346]

I think intel choosing to not charge an arm and a leg for vram could be there greatest move. That and stuff like good partnering, and pretty much trying to be the opposite of Nvidia. When I first heard Intel was doing graphics cards I bought some stock because no one in there right mind would go against giants if they didn’t have some kind of plan. And hopefully it’s be the new underdog. Intels already got the factories now it’s about utilizing what they got. Maybe make intel cards work extremely well with intel chips like amd wanted to do

[@seamon9732]

If it performs around a 4060 with 12GB at around 200$, it could sell like hot cakes.

[@Krenisphia]

It will certainly sell better than their first generation, but it won't sell like hotcakes. Intel discreet GPU's simply don't have the mindshare or consumer confidence yet. It's an uphill battle in this market dominated by Nvidia. Even AMD has trouble in this segment.

[@clockworklegionaire2135]

No it won’t LOL the 5060 will be coming out in like 4 months

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

@@clockworklegionaire2135 Watch it come with 8 GB of VRAM and overpriced

[@jonogrimmer6013]

B770 will be around a 4070 - 4070Ti super with current leaks anyway - so pretty big improvement if Intel can keep prices similar and the drivers are good!

[@clockworklegionaire2135]

Cap

[@johndelabretonne2373]

Nice to see that the B580s are pretty much ready to go, but I'm doubting there will be a lot of supply to really win market share. If they are over $230, it will be a big fail...

[@C-M-E]

This sounds more like a sounding horn to gauge public interest, although with the state of affairs at team blue, I wouldn't dismiss a listing manager having a slip of the finger either.

[@slc9800gtx]

Excited for INTEL and consumers. I hope they keep making gpus.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

So they want to release a good budget card. A budget card may likely go in many pcie 4 systems as they are older or cheaper systems. So limiting it to 8x is kind of shooting yourself in the foot.

[@kazuviking]

It doesn't matter at all since not even a 4090 maxes out a PCIE3.0X16 lane while gaming. 100% the B580 wont even come close to that lane usage.

[@ryanspencer6778]

A lower midrange card isn't going to saturate a PCIe 4.0 x8 slot. That's the same as a 3.0x 16 connection, and it's probably going to be less powerful than a lot of PCIe 3.0 GPUs. It doesn't matter, unless you're going to be running it in a 3.0 slot.