Next Generation of hardshell fabrics: The new GoreTex Pro most rugged

[@rich7447]

I tend to have goretex that is 10 to 15 years old. I just want it to perform when I need it. BTW: I have destroyed a couple of garments during regular activity.

[@8snippy]

The new is obviously better than the old one.

[@losonobingo87]

burton AK Hover Jacket on GoreTex PRO delaminated after first wash (followng instructions)

[@N_D_]

I hope this material is not like Gore-Tex Active, because despite the 28.000 mm waterproof rating, even after washing and rewaterproofing per the manufacturer's instructions, my Mammut Eiger Extreme active shell jacket still lets water in even in a light rain. If these membranes were trully waterproof, outer layer would not need any additional coating and waterproofing after paying premium retail price.

[@AR9ify]

You obviously do not understand how the laminate works. The membrane is waterproof. The reason why you need to use water repellent coating on the outer fabric is to not have it wet out, which then would impact breathability. Even if outer layer gets soaked, the membrane still keeps it waterproof, but if you're active, your own sweat will make you damp or wet cause the laminate cannot "breathe".

[@N_D_]

@@AR9ify I understand exactly how it works. The wetting-out process usually takes only a couple of minutes of heavy rain, which means that the outer layer becomes useless and you can rely only on the Gore-Tex waterproof membrane to keep you dry. But due to the wetting-out of the outer layer, the Gore-Tex membrane instantly becames completely damp, which means that you are cold and do not feel any protection from the elements. And when the membrane gets damp, it loses the ability to wick out any moisture, which in fact means that the membrane works only in perfect conditions when it is not exposed to any elements. The Gore-Tex membrane will in theory not let any water in, but it will be soaked from the water that got through the outside layer due to the wetting-out. Even the best and most rugged Gore-Tex jackets wet out after 15 minutes of heavy rain. Basicaly, no Gore-Tex membrane jacket is worth the premium price. A trully waterproof outer layer with ventilated arm pits is the best possible solution, and costs only a fraction of the price. Doesn't it seem silly to you that you would pay, say, a thousand dollars for a jacket and STILL need to apply DWR every once in a while, all while the manufacturer claims that the jacket is "fully waterproof"?