Difference between original GORE-TEX and GORE-TEX INFINIUM™️ products

Have you ever wondered what the difference is between original GORE-TEX and GORE-TEX INFINIUM™️ products? This short video tells you that there are now two logos for the GORE-TEX brand. A black diamond and a white diamond logo. You probably know the black one, the white one stands for GORE-TEX INFINIUM™️ products. Now you get the answer to your question whether GORE-TEX INFINIUM™️ are waterproof or not. And no, they are not waterproof, but they have many other advantages. But now just take a look.
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[@Izakokomarixyz]

adding “infinium” to the name makes it sound superior to regular Gore-Tex, when in reality it’s not…🤦‍♂️

[@hakanahlstrom9624]

100%

[@Izakokomarixyz]

@@hakanahlstrom9624 - Shoulda been “Gore-Tex Lite” or something…

[@hakanahlstrom9624]

@@Izakokomarixyz or like they used to name it (it seems) GORE Windstopper

[@wellthi]

gore tex inferior

[@nowhereman5956]

It looks less plastic / rubber made, some luxury brands use it for "hard shell" of their jackets.

[@trenchanttextiles647]

Kudos to Gore-Tex on yet another very slick video! However, it completely omits that both the vast majority of Gore-Tex waterproof-breathable membranes and the Infinium are made from PFC-based PTFE. With a Higg Index value of 383, PTFE has among the highest environmental impacts of any textile raw materials. As outdoor gear buyers are increasingly concerned about sustainability and the chemistry used to make their clothes, it would be great if Gore-Tex could make a video showing how it treats the waste water from its PTFE polymerization process, and whether that water is 100% PFC-free when it is released back into the environment. Given that Gore has been making PTFE for nearly half a century and is one of the biggest producers of PTFE on the planet, this would be helpful information to know. #cleaneralternativesexist #PTFE #PFAS #PFCs #greenwashing

[@D3rAdmin]

Its sad that your comment doesn’t get more attention. Because this is very important!

[@wellthi]

i was wrong there are plenty of greenwashing brand selling DWR 100% pfcs free but their membranes are still made with pfcs perhaps xpore could be one alternative "In lab tests, garments containing PU membranes generate HCN and NH3 toxic gases when burned, while PTFE membranes emit HF, CF4, and C2F6 toxic gases. In contrast, burning fabric containing the Xpore membrane generates only H2O and CO2."

[@trenchanttextiles647]

@@D3rAdmin Thanks! Tell all your friends who love clean water. At least the issue of highly toxic PTFE has gained a lot more attention since the comment above was written 7 months ago. Namely, the state of California has announced that it will ban PFCs in textiles from 2025. This has left Gore-Tex and many of its customer brands scrambling for alternatives, and while Gore has finally (after 47+ years) come up with an alternative (ePE) membrane that doesn't have endocrine-disrupting PFCs, its breathability is far worse than that of Gore's PTFE/PFC-based membranes - in many cases less than half as much. Fortunately, Trenchant brand fabrics have waterproofness and durability to match Gore's top-tier Pro Shell fabrics, while being even more breathable and more than 90% less toxic by Higg Index values. Trenchant fabrics are available right now in a number of high-end fabrics made by Helly Hansen, and will be available in a number of other pinnacle brands in the coming few seasons.

[@trenchanttextiles647]

@@wellthi You're absolutely right that PTFE incinerating into a veritable 'bitch's brew' of toxic gasses and particulates, while polypropylene burns into only water and CO2. But PTFE and PU membranes aren't just toxic in the metaphorical 'grave'. They're also highly toxic in the 'cradle' too. PTFE is usually polymerized from PFCs in an aqueous solution, meaning that it creates the (typically PFC-contaminated) wastewater I mentioned above. PU membranes on the other hand are made with volatile organic solvents (VOCs), which evaporate out to the detriment of both factory workers and - in the longer term - to the detriment of the membrane's long-term durability.

[@D3rAdmin]

@@trenchanttextiles647 yep yep since I answered to your comment I have noticed that there are a lot of companies offering (seemingly) more sustainable textiles which also promise to be wind-/waterproof. Also I only became aware of this whole topic because I randomly watched an documentary on youtube. I guess the textile giants make a lot of effort to hide this whole ptfe topic from the majority. This is a starting point for making people pay more attention to this subject. Spread the information of these super harmful materials

[@JustHackingAround]

Why not just call it gore-tex wind protection, or gore-tex dry weather? Simpler. Clearer. What is Infinium even supposed to mean?... For the record, I own a gore-tex infinium product, it does a great job at blocking the wind. But I had to look it up on KZbin to find out what the sub-brand label even meant!

[@orbispictus6127]

That's a part of marketing strategies nowadays. Everything need to be much more complex, mystery,... They think it's cool and hope to attract more townfolk who care more about looks than substance.

[@dimi7055]

Exactly

[@David.Horne72]

It used to be just called goretex windstopper, I guess they wanted it to sound more premium, and jack up the price

[@blackycaspar1739]

Hello, is the Gortex pro material special marked ? Or ist the „guaranteed keep your dry already the best Membran ? :)

[@GORETEXBrand]

GORE-TEX Pro garments represent one of the product technologies in our original GORE-TEX product range, all of which come with our GUARANTEED TO KEEP YOU DRY™ promise. Each technology is designed for garments with different end-uses, depending on what kind of activity you're looking to wear them for. Find an overview of the different technologies here: bit.ly/3pi7kK0

[@long2181998]

For a technical company like Gore, this is a very untechnical and low quality video.

[@tbrowniscool]

bUt tHey arE tHe exPeRts :)

[@simonzyc]

Well explained! Thanks

[@mdsadek-ns2rs]

Gore tex is a verry smart product,,, Made in Bangladesh,,, I do this job whare house..excesorice& fabric.

[@yileiyilei5616]

What’s the waterproof rating for Gore Tex Infinium? I find it strange that it’s not provided while many other brands are.

[@GORETEXBrand]

GORE-TEX INFINIUM™️ products are not waterproof. If you're looking for waterproof products check out our original GORE-TEX product range where all products have a water column of at least 28m: bit.ly/3jGlqk6

[@joekelly9369]

second trip out it leaked like hell , the infinium gote tex isnt good for wet weather at all .

[@thdjjfsfh]

​@@joekelly9369 As long as Thermium and Infinium fabric are in good condition, they are waterproof for virtually all conditions. I mean how often will you be under 28m of water? When it's so windy that water flying horizontally, it makes its way down your neck and up your cuff. Personally, I think Gore-Tex is just a more durable fabric compared to Thermium/Infinium. I've never liked any of my Gore-tex jackets because the crinkling of the fabric makes it so noisy in the wind with the hood on.

[@hanwagu9967]

@@GORETEXBrand Define waterproof? ePTFE is waterproof in of itself. the ePTFE membrane is the same ePTFE membrane regardless of black or white hang tag, except what a thinner slightly more porous membrane in Infinium line, which it seems Gore is using in its multilayer ePTFE and bicomponent membrane anyway? Since we all know this is all just marketing, because there is NO textile standard for water proofness or water resistance. However, given that 10,000mm is technical measurement for waterproofness, and the "evolved" version of the ePTFE membrane in Infinium is 30,000mm, by definition it is waterproof, regardless of if Gore guarantees. Now we also know that since there is no seamed tape requirements and the ability to use laminated layers like fleece in the Inifinium line, that Gore doesn't guarantee to keep you dry for those reasons. So yes, anything with Infinium hang tag isn't going to be guaranteed by Gore to be waterproof despite the membrane itself being waterproof.

[@joekelly9369]

@@hanwagu9967 i ended up giving my £400 mountain equipment kryos to my daughter . and bought a thrudark breach . so glad i did

[@leaaae4638]

Damn I really want to buy a good looking snowboard jacket and pant from Dimito. Their jacket are Gore Tex Infinium. They look good tho :(

[@hakanahlstrom9624]

Is Gore Tex Infinium and GORE Windstopper the same thing ?

[@AvanneFura]

nope , infinium have all the seams taped e.g. more windproofness. windstopper doesnt have seams taped. thats how i understand it

[@darlof8938]

I’ve got a cp company Goretex infinium jacket and nothing gets through it !

[@prasannjitsidhu3359]

bulletproof?

[@CorruptionManX]

Knife proof?

[@silvercloud333]

could you tell me please how long i should put the gore tex boots in the water to waterproofness test? several minutes? 30 minutes? an hour or more?

[@GORETEXBrand]

You can test your boots' waterproofness for as long as you wish. 🙂

[@silvercloud333]

@@GORETEXBrand My new boots are waterproof up to 30 minutes in the water, however it is not waterproof in the water a in an hour anymore... interesting...

[@GORETEXBrand]

@@silvercloud333 So sorry to hear that! Kindly contact our Consumer Service team in order for our colleagues to assist you with this under our GUARANTEED TO KEEP YOU DRY™ promise: bit.ly/2w5dOCX

[@jokerfrown]

ok but what is the difference? are they both not breathable?

[@GORETEXBrand]

Garments with both product technologies are highly breathable. The difference is the waterproofness: Original GORE-TEX products are 100% waterproof whereas GORE-TEX INFINIUM™ products are water-resistant and can be appreciated in situations where waterproofness is not the priority.

[@hanwagu9967]

@David Cat not inferior, just a different gradient of water resistance vs breathability.

[@zedddddful]

@David Cat Infinium is more breathable superb for cycling gear when the main objective is stopping the wind chill.

[@ghidfg]

@@zedddddful thanks, that's the exact information I was looking for.

[@tomnoyb8301]

Specs. That's why everyone looks for eVent first. eVent posts waterproof AND breathability specs. And if if it weren't for eVents unfortunate choice of name that makes it impossible to search (eVent returns Event = millions of unrelated products) GoreTex would be out of business.

[@joekelly9369]

so is the goretex infinium name , its not waterproof at all, i learnt this up a mountain in a £450 jacket , misleading

[@jayfritz1638]

So, basically cheap Gore-tex that isn't waterproof.

[@yusufyldrm3217]

not so cheap man..

[@jayfritz1638]

@@yusufyldrm3217 True. It's still expensive but isn't waterproof like we expect Goretex to be.

[@Choatsy]

Its just used as a selling point so brands can have "gore-tex" branding but it doesnt mean a whole lot

[@jayfritz1638]

@@Choatsy Means nothing at all. Gore-tex but waterproof. The 'Infinium' wording is basically a disclaimer.

[@GoodDaySir]

This is really poor branding, people have to search for it (or they wouldn't be here) and Infinium makes it sound like some superior version but it's actually a different category.

[@davidholdway6224]

well thats annoying, I always believed gore-tex was synomynous with water proof seems I have bought the wrong products.

[@melodynewsome1308]

One label is the other isnt….different performance needs

[@tomschmidt1378]

staying dry from the inside is just as important as staying dry from the outside.

[@Amar-vi8ht]

You actually selling fog now. That softshell materials you can get much cheaper than yours. If you put Goretex Infinum and 90% population of earth who know for Goretex will not know that isn't waterproof because they use to wear,hear or just seen that famous 'guarantee to keep you dry'. That road where you go with this material is dead end. Why I'm giving you 500-600$ is that wanna keep dry and breathable. Now you want to sell us something what many materials already have. Keep warm,wool insulations etc. Hmm..where do you go. I was thinking to buy your gloves today, really I'm but where i read about article i give up. I'll pay 60€ for gore same i have etip from north face much cheaper or other factories with another logo in half price

[@wegder]

Just a marketing scam by marketing scammers

[@browneyesjesus]

So to summarise, “Infinium” is an “inferior” version of the Goretex and is more of a brand licensing exercise for the company.

[@daishi711]

In addition to saying infinium is for dry conditions and you only need wind protection

[@hanwagu9967]

No, it just makes clear that Gore isn't going to guarantee a product keeps you dry if it has Infinium hang tag. They are for different purposes. If you want wind protection with higher breathability but don't need waterproofness against torrential storms, then you don't need a beefy Gore-Tex black hang tag product.

[@rage8kage]

@@hanwagu9967 it's more about tape sealing and cloth weight

[@areshuan]

Misleading of course .! That is why i am watching this video. Goretex infinium is not waterproof . Give it another name