Next Level Racing GT Lite VS Playseat Challenge

Lets take a peek at these two very similarly priced foldable cockpits, the Next Level Racing Gt Lite and the Playseat Challenge!
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[@barryclarckson5030]

It's impressive how you point out your favorite without doing harm to the other one. 👌 Thx for the video.

[@huhwhywhen]

thank you for the product comparisons, in the market for a proper seat.. getting tired of my rolling office chair getting pushed back when braking 😂

[@d3dlock341]

Put the back two rollers in the heels of some sneakers and it holds you in place

[@KingSebbz]

Thats smart!

[@Oh2x]

the most realistic comment

[@ags911]

@@d3dlock341 Yup, but you’ll still pivot left and right.

[@CaptainDomestic]

I got the Playseat Challenge based on your videos and it's working fine once I figured out how to adjust. It took a bunch of futzing to get a working position since I'm 6'4". I had to loosen the side straps to get right steering wheel distance and then move out the pedals to get my knees down. Like you said, the velcro needs some adjustment to feel right. I picked it over GT-Lite because I planned to move it up and down stairs but I really don't need to. The only free time is after my family goes to sleep and pedal noise goes through the floors. I set up a tv and xbox in the basement. BTW, short of folding the whole thing up it works to turn out steering wheel and tuck pedals behind to take up a bit less space. If I'm still driving come xmas I'll get a fixed setup. Thanks for the reviews. :)

[@sparkpaul]

You are so awesome Ryan. I watched a lot of your videos. Much thanks because in Taiwan we don’t have any place that we can try nor return the product if it doesn’t suit our needs! You are very articulate and now whenever I’m reading news or forums about sims and related products, all I hear is your voice narrating what I’m reading.

[@gaboctopus7361]

I got the G- lite when you did the firts review and your review actually help me to decided, im a big dude and Im really happy with the G-lite, it was good price and its confortable and if I could get the FG-lite later I will, is a great product for budget sim racers, thanks again for those great reviews, this channel became a reference to learn about sim racing products as well as VR, great videos!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate! :)

[@19ZOLTAN18]

Thank you for the informative video. Not many have compared the two! Also you have a curious cat walking around. Very cute

[@KarlGosling]

Her name is Ori and she is a little Abyssinian 😀

[@k4it4n]

I just bought myself a playseat challenge having watched your previous videos on the foldable cockpits, thanks for the reviews

[@KarlGosling]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@rzucki]

Thanks, for your clear and objective description. Helped me very much!

[@colinparquette3006]

Very good comparison/review as always Karl! I’ve been trying to get into sim racing recently and your honest reviews have helped me a lot. Definitely earned yourself a new sub! Good luck in the future and I hope to see your channel keep growing as you deserve it.

[@KarlGosling]

Thank you Colin, appreciated mate! :)

[@scottwoodtraining]

Appreciate the comparisons! I had been going back and forth and this sealed the deal as a bit wider gent. Also snagged a t300 rsgt and shifter for $100 local so this puts my full sim setup at $320! Great for a newbie(already had the ps5)!

[@KarlGosling]

Yes mate sport on! :)

[@kevinmorelikekevout3639]

Thank you for the review I got the FG lite bc the shifter mount came with it and I find it it taller which will be better for my monitor set up. I also like it bc it’s black and red lol

[@James-lx5vk]

Great video with a very helpful explanation. Just what I was looking for with no nonsense. Liked and subscribed.

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks James

[@erroric_]

I found this video extremely informative and it definitely helped me in narrowing down which seat to purchase. Thank you.

[@KarlGosling]

Glad it was helpful!

[@MKarvat]

Fantastic videos, man! Just saw this one and both of the reviews and they have really helped me in deciding which one to pick. Since space is a limitation for me and the ease of setting everything up is something I value a lot (if it takes long to set the sim up, I'll just end up playing something else), I'll be going with the Playseat.

[@KarlGosling]

PS is definitely the faster of the two.

[@v10redline]

I bought the playseat challenge but getting some annoying movement in the steering wheel. It’s coming mostly from the swing section that holds the steering wheel (g29). I believe there might be a tiny bit from the steering wheel mount as well but not sure. Mine is new (3 days old). Do you have the same issue? Thanks!

[@DEMON..-..]

Thank you for your reviews, i ended going for the gt lite. How would you recommend on reinforcing the movement when driving? Keep up the good work man

[@aitortillasfrias7280]

Hello! Your videos are fantastic. I have a question, I am thinking of getting the Thrustmaster T-GT II for my PS5, and I need the Playseat Challenge for space. I have read that the T-GT II weighs 31 pounds, can the Playseat hold that much weight with good stiffness? Thanks a lot!

[@tunwin11]

What are the lengths of the two when they are set up? online it says the gt lite is 40cm longer than the psc but doesn't look like it is here. any help is appreciated :)

[@artpro5930]

Really great comparison and exactly what I was looking for! I bought the Playseat Challenge a couple months ago and you hit on all the pluses and minuses of the chair. I wasn't as familiar with the Next Level cockpit and was curious as how it compared. Your video confirmed the Playseat was the better option of the two for me since I needed something really small and convenient to fold. While it is a little snug, like you mentioned, it doesn't bother me and worth the compromise.

[@KarlGosling]

Glad you found it helpful mate!

[@DZelezen]

awesome videos! you helped me pick out my first racing rig :)

[@KarlGosling]

Glad I could help!

[@markp2085]

I have now played in my GT-Lite for about 24 hours. I do not notice any flexing while I am driving. Also, Next Level Racing just came out with the Joystick/hotas attachments, which I will be trying shortly. I have discovered if I remove the pedal attachment before I fold it, the GT-Lite is much easier to fold away. I will be replacing the 2 screws on the clips with large thumb screws to make it easier. It only adds an extra minute for setup time but makes it much easier to fold and move around without the added weight. One of the 2 plastic pieces that attach the pedals to the frame came cracked. Next Level Racing was going to replace it, but I was able to purchase similar clips locally that are metal. I am using a T300 wheel on mine. I suspect, a direct drive wheel with a higher torque would cause a great deal of flexing. Maybe that new wheel base that Fanatec just came out with that has 8NM of torque would probably work just fine. But another issue is if I press the break hard, the front end tends to raise, so a breaking system with a load cell would be out of the question.

[@bigt43]

Interesting extra information, I have had a Logitech g29 for a long while but never been able to set it up remotely comfortably with my furniture, it's about time I invest in a sim rig, so where you mentioned if you brake hard the front tends to raise do you mean between the front legs and end of pedal section the mid rises so the pedals tilt away from you? I'm still unsure which I'm more inclined to choose out of these two, but I thing as I have the H pattern shifter with my Logitech the next level racing rig might be my choice, is it possible to put the gear lever mount either side?

[@markp2085]

@@bigt43 That is exactly how the rig will lift up. When I break hard, its the chair itself that lifts right from that center bar where the pedals attach. I image if you use a break pedal with a load cell, that would really be an issue unless you could weigh down the area or maybe bolt the rig to a stand made of boards to it for added stability. With my Thrustmaster T300 pedals, it is not too much of an issue. You can move the shifter to either side. I have now been using my chair for about a year and am very happy with it. It has held up very well. Takes me about 5 minutes to pull it out, connect everything (including moving my buttkicker from my office chair to the sim chair). I am using a HP Reverb G2 with me GT -Lite, so I don't need to worry about setting a monitor at the right height. Before I started using my G2, I was connecting one of those monitor stands to the front of the desk. That way I could lower the monitor to the proper height of the sim rig (the monitor needed to be about 6 inches lower than my desk). I am getting ready to purchase the flight kit for the chair and start playing my Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen from it instead of from my office chair. That should be a game changer. Anyway, if you are thinking of getting it, I say go for it. Much better than connecting your wheel to a desk.

[@beseakos]

Oh new cockpit video. Finally a comparison between my candidates

[@lloydet3290]

Mine too

[@briantwining86]

@@lloydet3290 Me three!

[@RSURRECTED]

I just purchased the Playseat Challenge, hoping it will be good for an entry level sun racer 👍👍

[@mikenemeyer472]

Does anyone know how long the GT lite is fully extended out?

[@austinmcgee8891]

Not happy bout the play seat not coming with a shifter mount 😒 I regret getting it over the other options

[@davidd5283]

The playseat lays back more and is more of like a hammock that allows your back to rest and it feels more like a real cockpit. The gt lite only goes back a little bit and is not curved at the bottom so it can hurt you lumbar spine after a while. The only drawback on the playseat is I wish it came with a shifter mount!

[@quazimoto5241]

I 3D printed one and it works great! There are lots of free designs online. I think I've seen them on ebay and Amazon too.

[@royliber3824]

Very informative comparisons about the two seats! I'm planning to get one of these and the Playseat Challenge seems more appealing to me as im not that big of a guy and its somewhat smaller than the GT Lite as you mentioned and as it looks like here. The fact that you can fold it more easily than the GT Lite and it seems to be more snug when its folded also a major plus for me as I don't have many places to put it around my room and initially I would rather if I could keep it in my room and not take it out.

[@KarlGosling]

Sounds like the correct choice mate!

[@adhamsti]

thank you for the review and comparison. i am thinking to have a foldable one for my T300RS-GT. and, still have not decided which one 😅

[@KarlGosling]

No problem!

[@Kozi03]

Finally ordered my Playseat Challenge after watching your original review some time ago. Thanks for your great videos! ... now where did I put my iRacing valium's again?

[@KarlGosling]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@crkvend]

Hey Karl, bit of a strange question perhaps, but I’ve had a Playseat Challenge for about 6 months, really love it and prefer it over the GT Lite. However, I would definitely prefer the GT Lite pedal deck. Partly because I would like the angle, and partly because mounting my CSL pedals wouldn’t require zip ties =p If I managed to find a GTL pedal deck, you see any reason it wouldn’t work nicely with the Playseat? Thanks!

[@KarlGosling]

If it fits then yes why not, I've not got one to try any more.

[@jakubvana9245]

Guys, would you go for GT Lite or Playseat, if you could both get them around 130€? (I dont need shifter mount, mostly playing F1)

[@diegodalmonte1866]

Yours is a must suscribe channel!! Thanks for all the information! When you refer to big guys, what size are you thinking about? As a 5'11 im not sure if i may flnd the playseat comfortable enough or not. Thanks in advance!

[@kandh125]

anyone can help i either need a foldable setup. or a rig that has decent keyboard and mouse support for work. as i dont have space for a rig and my current desk.

[@Vanusk]

Curious how the new Fanatec DD wheelbase will handle on the Challenge / Racing GT. My guess is it would be a killer combo

[@elbowsout6301]

He wouldn't need a tactile transducer as the wheel alone would be enough to shake the shit out of him :)

[@jimbob0025]

I have a CSW on a Challenge. Previously had a CSL on there. I imagine it would be similar. ie. workable but far from ideal!

[@Riful]

In your opinion would you go with the NLG Lite or the Omega GT Apex? Also happen to have any experience with those $180 or so Ebay cockpits with the generic looking "racing" seat? Great vids keep up the awesome work!

[@KarlGosling]

Two different applications mate, one is a wheel stand the other a foldable cockpit. No I haven't sorry.

[@TurboZHK]

Is it possible to swap out the challenge pedals mount with the NLR one? So a Challenge can have pedals installed properly.

[@KarlGosling]

I don't think so no mate, but there's many other options out there if you search around.

[@TurboZHK]

@@KarlGosling yea I have a 3D printed adapter for CSL, but I am thinking about upgrade to Elite v2 which have a wider back end mounting point.

[@jurassicjam2156]

Did you ever get the XR Circuit Folding Racing seat to review? I'd be keen to hear your thoughts on it if so.

[@KarlGosling]

I didn't no.

[@jurassicjam2156]

@@KarlGosling No worries, I just got one. Very similar the Challenge by the looks of it but the front opens outwards and not over. Only down side so far is the strap on the pedal mount doesn't got round the G920 footplate. Other than that pretty solid and a great bit of kit.

[@jasppponii2030]

Hi Karl, The upcoming months I want to transition from ps4 to PC with VR. Although I'm currently playing ACC, I really would love to have multiplayer races in formula-style aswel. Any ideas about which sim would be the beat choice for me? Thanks!

[@KarlGosling]

Formula then go for the F-GT Lite mate.

[@jasppponii2030]

@@KarlGosling thanks man! Love your content. Keep up the great work!!

[@philippeadam5544]

Hi Mr GOSLING How can I buy a playseat CHALENGR THANX with RESPECT

[@codyzempel5506]

Ha you were right in your review no need to correct it is the F GT lite I believe

[@n3rdstrength]

Why no Mario shorts?

[@maurodebaets]

Is the Gt-lite Higher than the Challenge? I play with my screen on my 80cm desk so I would prefer higher

[@KarlGosling]

Yes it is.

[@BeatzCreations]

HELP!! just fully set up my Playseat Evolution and logitech g293 steering wheel and pedals, ... first timer for it all, ... loaded into project cars 2, followed your set up tips but for some reason i cant control any of the menus using the steering wheel buttons. I have to do everything with the mouse. If i launch into a game its fine but i pause it shows the mouse cursor again and i cant use the wheel. Literally pulling my hair out with it. Want to do it in vr and ive also seen someone do the calibration using the wheel and pressing (A) to go through each step, i have to press next with the mouse. Please help 😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔

[@ianraffel6535]

Pretty sure it depends on the game. F1 2020 I have to use the wheel for the menu but in Iracing and AC I have to use the mouse.

[@BeatzCreations]

@@ianraffel6535 yea i did think that at first but theres many videos online where people are showing them do the wheel settings and there using the buttons on it no mouse

[@davevanveen4048]

HI I am 6 foot 6 and quiet skinny. I was wondering if i can fit in the playseat challenge?

[@KarlGosling]

You will but it will be snug.

[@zanetajennings]

I wanna buy the fgt lite but I am nearly 14 and don't have enough money to buy one so Im gonna save up for it

[@fgl8195]

I’m trying to decide on one of these too and can’t decide? I’m planning on getting a DD pro for one. I’m a shorter a and a thinner person than most. Right now they both on sale here in Australia, the gt lite is $327 and playseat is $399. Which one would u recommend? Love all you videos mate.

[@rover1374]

Did you decide which one? I am also in Aus and can’t decide. I bought a GT Omega stand classic and am just using a chair with it and tbh it isn’t so bad. Wondering if either of these would be an upgrade as I also want to upgrade wheels and get some load cells. I find it hard to believe that there are only 2 foldable cockpits on the market and that the playseat is still $400 when it is like 8 yrs old or something.

[@fgl8195]

@@rover1374 I ended up getting the playseat challenge and I’m really happy with it.I really don’t notice any flex and is super easy to fold up and put away. The only downside but not a deal breaker is the pedal part where it’s only strapped on top so they move a little to the side after a awhile but it’s not a problem while playing. may just just get some zip ties eventually to fix it.

[@rover1374]

@@fgl8195 thanks for that. I am leaning more towards the Playseat but the pedal thing does look a bit annoying. The other downside is it seems to rarely go on sale. In the month I’ve been keeping an eye out the cheapest I’ve seen it is $370.

[@BurtMegaming]

Can you tell me how different is the arms legnth from the seat and steering wheel? I have the playseat and I have long arms which really sucks. If the GT lite is longer i will buy it.

[@KarlGosling]

It has much more adjustment so you can put it further away than you can with the PS.

[@BurtMegaming]

@@KarlGosling thanks! Just placed the order!

[@todoratanasov4037]

@@BurtMegaming Hi, did you receive it and what is your opinion ? I am also concerned about length so your advice will be much appreciated ^^

[@BurtMegaming]

@@todoratanasov4037 the GT Lite gives you much more adjustments than the play seat. Its quite large. Definitely recommend if you are on the bigger side.

[@degeautdfanfirst]

@@BurtMegaming I'm 5.6 so playseat for me it's smaller

[@deetee2730]

Does the Playseat Challenge have a lower seating position?

[@KarlGosling]

There is some adjustment in the side straps but this will also bring your further from the wheel.

[@deetee2730]

Does the Next Level GT Lite have a more upright position with a head rest that doesn’t jerk your head forward? The Playseat Challenge looks like it leans back quite a bit and the headrest forces your head to sit more forward?

[@KarlGosling]

For me my head never rests on either cockpit, it's always a touch forward.

[@geez5949]

Hey Karl, are you going to be making a review for Oculus Air Link?

[@KarlGosling]

Yes as soon as I have the update! :)

[@TomTheSurgen1]

Sounds like playseat with a full indigo lime kit

[@HoldenRiot]

How does the Playseat Challenge compare to the newer Next Level Racing GT Lite Pro? Torn between these two currently!

[@KarlGosling]

See my review of the GT Lite Pro here mate I cover this question! kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2mzZZ1uarici9E

[@HoldenRiot]

@@KarlGosling ah thank you Karl!

[@christian7496]

Are they sturdy enough to be used with load cell brakes?

[@davidkernohan4586]

I'm using load cells on my playseat challenge. The seat is sturdy enough but i did have to do a bit of a DIY hard mounting as I didn't trust the strap. TLCM if you're interested

[@colinparquette3006]

@@davidkernohan4586 could you post a video or something about the modifications you did? I’m thinking of getting the playseat challenge cuz I’m not a bigger guy and live in an apartment, but the movement when you brake is the only thing turning me away from it.

[@davidkernohan4586]

@@colinparquette3006 yeah sure I won’t be in the seat again till Monday but I’ll post something up after that

[@colinparquette3006]

@@davidkernohan4586 thank you

[@davidkernohan4586]

@@colinparquette3006 how’s this? kzbin.infoCmXjHXf1ZME?feature=share

[@itowmyhome797]

Thank you

[@KarlGosling]

You're welcome

[@CacheHog]

IMHO the GT has a significant disadvantage compared to the Playseat: if you swing it open to sit in, this seat needs enough space in front of you. But there are chances that you don't have this space because you have some kind of furniture or monitor/TV rack standing too near in front of you, because a lot of people (like me) want the monitor/TV as close as possible to be able to configure a good FOV for racing. I use a Playseat Challenge (Ok, with some substantial modifications and add-ons) and I built a wooden, "U-shaped" rack for my 47'' TV which is only one or two centimeters away from the Playseat's wheel plate. No way to use the GT seat under such circumstances.

[@KarlGosling]

Very true mate!

[@slaphead90]

How tall are you, Karl?. I'm 6 foot bang on, but quite slender - you're stockier than me. And no, I haven't mistaken this channel for Grindr, it's just that if I knew how tall you were then I could get a sense of scale when you sit in these rigs. Nice review/comparison as always

[@agitatedtofu2511]

agreed, I think itd help with getting a sense of how big the cockpits are

[@SauvagePT]

In one of his videos, if I am not mistaken, he says he is 5"11.

[@SauvagePT]

Oh, and I've bought a Playseat Challenge a month ago and I am 6"4. I can tell you the distances of the wheel and the pedals are spot on. The cockpit is comfortable and stable with my T300RS GT. Since I am a bit tall, my head stays above the head rester, but in a away that it's still comfortable. I am very happy with my purchase. Been modding with Karl's help.

[@umungus518]

@@SauvagePT so glad I saw this comment. As someone who is also 6'4 the pedal position was a huge concern for me. Appreciate the info!

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah I'm around 5'11" to 6' depending what time of day I'm measured! lol

[@vxrskiddy2405]

What weight can the playseat take

[@KarlGosling]

I've tested with 120kg.

[@vxrskiddy2405]

@@KarlGosling ok thank you have been searching for months noe just need to save up now

[@connmedad1]

Can you attach that cheap handbrake to the GTLite?

[@KarlGosling]

Don't see why not, it's just tube like the PSC.

[@connmedad1]

@@KarlGosling I was thinking that too but the angles are different. Would it be to much to ask for you to give it a try?

[@mohammedfahim9918]

What is the maximum torque in a wheel that the fgt lite can be used well with ?

[@FinnD777]

Probably 5 is where it’s comfortable, maximum 8.

[@pato17rio]

I bought both of them and the gt lite feels uncomfortable after 30 min. I prefer Playseat Challenge. Playseat Challenge is more comfortable, GT Lite has better structure (pedal and shifter mounting plates)

[@whereta3097]

How tall and heavy are you?

[@farmdaze9961]

Based on what he says in this vid... that is the cockpit I am buying. Need wheel and pedals next. I bet he has a vid on that too. Problem solved. I hate shopping.

[@drumbri]

Fanatec just announced a new direct drive wheel base for $350. 😳

[@terencecaron2922]

@@drumbri never forget than fanatec is : buy a wheel, buy the base, buy pedals, then realize you paid your "gear" (without a cockpit) for the price of a pc/2 consoles. Unless you're already a very very good driver doin some competition or youtuber, it's kind of overboard spendin imo

[@jaydawg3031]

I own the GT lite, it's actually very comfortable and there'd minimal flex when driving and steering. I highly recommend it, the only problem is folding it.

[@whereta3097]

How long does it take you to fold?

[@tomasesparza7940]

I have the Gt lite. Highly recommended

[@MMDriven]

Can you add any other mounts let’s say on the left or right hand side?

[@alfredchen3808]

price comparison missing?😏

[@KarlGosling]

It varies too much just click the links and look at the time of viewing :)

[@kalex6961]

Karl, your reviews and your style are absolutely great! The ones about GT Lite and Playseat Challenge helped me a lot. There is only one thing i miss in all the comparisons about the 2 products: the driving positions of the two seem to be different. Could it be, that the viewpoint (the height of the eyes) in the GT Lite is higher than in the Playseat? I am turning in the direction of the Playseat, i allready borrowed one a while ago, it was close to perfect (the headrest is to close for me, if i bought one a would have to bend it backwards to not be in the way of a neutral driving position, i seem to be not alone on this) but a little to low for a neutral view to my TV. Maybe the GT-Lite is better/higher in that perspective.

[@KarlGosling]

The PS is lower yes mate, you can't really bend anything as it's tubular so will kink.

[@chaseshadow]

Controversial

[@valdasstonkus5493]

Again the same. When making a review peoples looking to see things in action, so take a seat and show, not just talk...