Next Level Racing HF8 Haptic Gaming Pad Review

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[@MarvinAndHisPosse]

Thank you Karl for actually being honest about this product. I am hugely unimpressed by most content creators who are too afraid of upsetting the company that sends them things. For this, I'm subscribing!

[@Cagefighter]

He does do good reviews

[@iyadkamhiyeh527]

Yeah, a lot of them are hypocrites and big liars, so big thanks to Karl for his honesty!

[@KarlGosling]

Having now watched a few other reviews... there's definitely some big exaggerations, missing technical detail and somewhat misleading information... not the best IMO Marvin!

[@flubzorgaming]

I always come to this channel first before buying, since the most honest opinion is often right here

[@LeeCrago]

One day I would love something like this. Feel like it would make the sim racing experience much better for those that can’t afford motionsystems

[@imjustinb]

I’ve had like 6 racing influencers on my feed today talking about this. Finally a genuine review. Genuine thanks for having integrity which is apparently rare these days mate

[@R.I.D.E]

Since when is a review only genuine because it is negative?

[@KarlGosling]

It's not negative mate, it's balanced and accurate.

[@mynameisprivate158]

@@R.I.D.E Because 90 percent of KZbinrs would want to fanboy up gear from larger suppliers like Next Level Racing so they stay on the list to get more free gear to review in the future. Basically KZbin works like this, there is an unwritten rule from companies that you provide positive reviews or you get blacklisted and don't get any more gear from them. So if your a KZbinr and don't get gear to review your content options are less and you make less money so you shill whatever products are provided. This is good for your channel and good for the companies just bad for customers. integrity is rare on YT and it is always refreshing when you see it!!!

[@SpaceAceOne]

Exactly! I’ve watched 6 review videos for the HF8. Karl was - next to Dave Suzuki - the only one pointing out the weak spots like crappy NLR software with big latency (SimHub does it way better…) and also that motors having a different feel than exciters or transducers.

[@mahargbell]

Great review, the explanation of how the vibration is created really helps me out. 👏

[@lipsucant]

I think you did another great service for sim racing community. Good balanced honest review Karl. I don't think it's primarily aimed at people with full rigs. It's probably aimed at people who use the fgt lite or playseat challenge, and people who desktop mount their wheels. Keep up the good work dude

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah exactly, an entry level product aimed at that end of the market and priced accordingly. Thanks Terance!

[@Pics2FlicksDennis]

Karl, well done review, and the ONLY review I could find that critically reviewed the software AND compared it to the SRS seat. Every other reviewer just gushes over "what a game changer" the NLR seat is, without comparing it to anything.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah, a "game changer" it is not... lots of very overly enthusiastic reviews out there IMO mate.

[@Substance2020]

Been trying to get on with this all day and it takes a good while to get the settings to make sense, otherwise it's jibberish noise. Basically bringing things down to 30%, turning 5/8 settings off and running with just ground effects and suspension with a little bit of engine rpm. All of these seperated into different zones to avoid confusion and conflicting information - which means that the ground effect I have actually set to just the lower back with suspension on the 4 seats and engine rpm top of back. This is working nicely for me. The suspension gives a good indication of tyre slipping and the ground effect is good for curbs, grass etc. The engine rpm rams up at speed down straights giving a sense of vehicle vibration but cuts off when slowing down which is good. Wasn't sure if it was going to work but glad to say it's being strapped in for regular use now. Pretty comfortable and very quiet. Good little addition to a racing game for a casual. Haven't experienced the buttkicking but yeah the motors are pretty dumb on the hf8 giving a blunt feedback. Still immersive though. No doubt that the transducers are more enjoyable - but noisy and pricey.

[@parasim8653]

Absolute top level review mate. I knew it was too good to be true with all the reviews I’ve seen on KZbin. Appreciate the honesty 👏👏👏

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah... some very enthusiast reviews out there aren't there?! lol

[@BBGunOcelot]

Good to have you back in a normal capacity, Carl. Hope you're well, mate.

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate, feeling much more like my normal self!

[@adamfromabove84]

Thanks Karl, saved me buying one. I saw another reviewer talk about the lag for the haptic to turn on and off.. Which makes you think you're still on kerbs after you're off them.

[@KarlGosling]

Yup, there's a spool up delay and then because they are weighted they run on... very unresponsive and cannot produce detail at all.

[@ranger3300]

A honest review, that is why I only watch your video reviews. You're looking alot better Karl keep it up.

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks Ranger, feeling better mate!

[@Robin_S78]

Karl, I watched your review just after I bought the HF8. I returned the product today. It’s just a toy. You published the only honest review about this product. You are 100% correct. I trusted KZbinrs like Dave Cam but not anymore. You are an honest guy!

[@KarlGosling]

I must admit to not being impressed with other reviews of this, some are very misleading :(

[@LarsJ1977]

So nice to find a reviewer where you don't have to read between the lines for the truth. Appreciate you Karl!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate.

[@4Kcorner]

Just when I thought my Thursday couldn't get any better BOOM another great episode. Thanks again man!

[@KarlGosling]

lol Thanks mate!

[@michaelpickford7298]

Thanks Karl, your the first review that actually mentioned that they are motors and not tranducers that ive seen. Helps explain its price point but still with a little diy you can have 2x Bst-1 and a usb amp with one under pedal tray and one attached to the seat for probably a better and cheaper experience. Good to see the content again mate.

[@KarlGosling]

That would indeed be a much better experience IMO too mate... but as you say needs DIY rather than plug and play.

[@raresttortoise]

Great review mate this is the first honest review I’ve seen 👍

[@dragon2knight]

I finally got around to watching this one, and boy am I ever glad I did! As a NLR enthusiast (I've got/had a few of their products including my current cockpit the GTLite) I was literally about to buy this. So happy I didn't! You're take on it made me realize it would have been sent right back after I used it!! Great to see you back on the ball again, you look great mate!

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah it's ok for the price and as an entry level form of feedback... but there are much better options using transducers.

[@ghastous]

@@KarlGosling can cost ya less to buy 4 transducers and a Amp. BST-2s are only £30 each for a budget then ya just need a 4 channel 50w amp and ya sorted and for probs less or a bit more

[@MrBigpappaT]

Great reviewer, you are very honest. Most reviewers I've watched I won't name any names have said this is a game changer you should get it, amazing etc. But your reviews are always honest and no fake bs. Really appreciate it, saved me a few £'s over the years.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah I've watched a few now too after reading the comments here... some very exaggerated reviews, missing a lot of important technical information and then giving misleading information about how to "tune" the setup too... not the best IMO.

[@danielmiller6983]

Karl I can always count on you to give your honest opinion in your reviews {Not a paid promotion where you are trying to sell the item for a company}… much appreciated, and you are my go to before I pull the plug and buy additions to my setup. Much appreciated… what bummer about Dirt Rally 2.. Also one of my favorite titles. I do think at the price point tho.. it’s actually not too bad

[@vasiliswr794]

I had this channel really low on my list of review channels. Now i'm actively searching for a review from Karl and i take his opinion really seriously. Probably on my top3 for sim hardware reviews. Ps. I want a review on the new G9 G95NC 57" !! :)

[@Leynad778]

IMO a bummer the G9 is running double-4K instead of 1440p. No way you notice an improvement switching from 1440p to 2160p in games with this height, but you certainly feel the difference in fps even with a 4090.

[@KarlGosling]

It's too much money for me to buy in for review mate sorry, plus I'm not a fan of "letterbox" racing, a larger 21:9 or 16:9 display gives a better experience IMO and no distortion from the curve which cannot be adjusted for in mot sim titles.

[@Leynad778]

@@KarlGosling Again: The distortion you get on a flat-panel since your eyes and vision is not flat at all. On a curved display the distance to your eyes is more even between center and edges in more optimal angle, which is obviously better. I would never switch to flat-screens ever and bought a G9 recently to get R1000 instead of R1200. Flatscreens are just okay if they are further away from you like a TV is usually. For sim-racing they will never be as good as curved display.

[@Mr_Latte_UK]

@@KarlGosling Err but dont you have letterbox gaming with triple screens 48:9. One difference is the PPI for large sized (even 4K) TVs is not that high. With the 2023 Neo G9 you may get a sharper image as the pixels are much smaller and the G9 is going to be similar to dual G8 (4K) offering a nice size and increased resolution over the already impressive 1440p varations of the previous G9 model. With the 8K res of the new G9 it could in theroy also display triple 1440p resolution on its single 57" screen with 240Hz.

[@richardople]

Personally I picked up SRS Ushake6. You're bang on Karl regarding a much better and instant haptic/tactile user experience when you're using transducers versus vibration motors. I'm more than happy to spend the extra for a much better user experience. Thank you for the review and comparison.

[@KarlGosling]

No worries mate and yes transducers will always give a better experience than motors for sure!

[@Arts-gadgets]

Thanks Carl for the comparison between the two haptic feedback seat pads I have now made the decision to order the "Ushake" pad even though it is more expensive and I have to wait several weeks for it. It is refreshing to have honest opinions from someone who has tried both.

[@KarlGosling]

It's a great experience mate!

[@SlowBloke123]

Didnt want to spend the extra cash on the SRS setup but u clearly describe the difference and having had the SRS seat before I know I would miss the extra clunk of the gear change... Thanks Karl !

[@kevin_m]

Finally a more critical look at the performance and value of going this route for tactile feedback. Thanks for highlighting the shortcomings Karl, I have not seen any other reviewer do that very well.

[@KarlGosling]

Glad it was helpful!

[@f14e91]

It’s so good to see you back!! I hope you feel better!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate, yes much better!

[@discopooh]

Being one of the few people that actually received a feelforce seat pad a few years ago I can say that these things work great and I'm so surprised they haven't caught on more in the sim world

[@RJ-cq8dd]

I didn't new about the rumbling seat pads untill it popped up in my YT feed. I knew about buttkicker but that didn't work for me so i always thought there was nothing for me.

[@JB-996]

I've never done any sim racing before but just started doing some research and found your channel. Your honest, no BS reviews are excellent and a breath of fresh air. I think I've decided to go with the standard beginner setup of playseat challenge, G29 with a PS4. Keep up the good work! You just got another sub.

[@KarlGosling]

Sounds a perfect way to start the hobby mate, enjoy! :D

[@aaronlozano6712]

Just a warning... Since I started following Karl... I changed from a G920 clamped to a desk to a playseat challenge, then a GT Omega Titan with Thrustmaster TXW, then a triple monitor setup, simhound gear, haptic feedback... soon a DD... I blame @karl Gosling as a scapegoat :)

[@ciaranconnor4466]

Thanks, was about to pull the trigger on this until I saw your review. Have since ordered the U shake 6 and am now eagerly awaiting!

[@KarlGosling]

A much better choice mate!

[@AlessandroTorchio]

Mate thank you so much for your review. I have an SRS UShake6, but I was curious about this from Next Level. Thanks to your honest comments (many other streamers and sim racers gave some kind of very superficial review), I understood I have a superior product already! Cheers

[@KarlGosling]

You do indeed mate, stick with what you have! :)

[@sido5857]

The review I've been waiting for, thanks.

[@TheLoganr80]

Appreciate your honesty mate. I am a console racer with ps5. Yours is the 2nd review I have seen of this product. Both reviews suggested it didn't work well with the 3.5mm audio connection. That said, I was kinda hopeful it would run with one of the spare ps5 usb ports. It is good to see someone making this type of product available to console users but I havent found a review specifically for its use on console. I'm inclined to wait and see what the general opinion of it is in 6 or 12 months time. Thanks.

[@NextLevelRacing]

Hi there, thank you for the feedback. Note that while using the audiojack that all motors will be working simutaniously. The only output that is received is audio from the console. The HFS Software uses telemetry data to provide feedback to the 8 motors on the Gaming Pad. There is a limitation on console where we cannot access the telemetry data. If you are looking at control and adjusting each motors individually, we recommend using the the HF8 Gaming Pad with PC while using the HFS software, allowing you to indivdually control the motors and the effect that you feel.

[@docslappy8946]

Good to see you back in the saddle (or cushion) Karl. Take care.

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks Doc!

[@GUN69_]

something which surprised me is that many people seem to not know about the SRS Shake kit. Great you made the explanation what is the difference between NLR and SRS products. I have purchased SRS shake kit 2 years ago after watching one of your videos and using your discount code (thanks). Very happy with it but I am also pleased to see some more competition in this area. Visually the NLR product looks quite decent, the box also adds to the professional experience. That for instance was lacking in my SRS products when i received them 2 years ago (maybe now it has changed) - it came in a brown cardbox packed in a bubblewrap. Also the intellibox for windkit looked a bit cheap and fragile. Can't say I was impressed with the presentation. However, apart from that I can't stress how happy I am with both shake kit and the wind kit. For me it is important to try to do as much as possible to crank up the immersion level and such small product is yet very powerful immersion factor. I had a problem with the usb cable some time ago and had to do few races without the shake kit and I really missed that feeling.

[@KarlGosling]

I think they just don't have the advertising budget being a small two or three man company and yes the presentation of SRS stuff is indeed just basic packaging and I believe back then they were still 3D printing the Intellibox, so sometimes this shows through... specially when comparing to NLR who are fairly big in the sim racing market. But their products and software are excellent from a functionality and performance point of view!

[@GUN69_]

@@KarlGosling I agree and I love how srs software grew to yet suppprt more products (like Tension R from pt actuator or pedal rumble kit from sim-3d)

[@Schmitty4564]

Looking good bud, hope the family is doing good

[@KarlGosling]

Mums actually perked up a lot but Dad is of course much the same, thanks mate.

[@Ninahusky51]

Hi Karl. I have just purchased an HF8. I'm here in the UK so had to buy from amazon(as was out of stock everywhere else) this came from the US. Got it today....I do have an Xbox series X. I know you have a PC set up(wish I did) and that your review was based on PC....so just to let you know.....MAN I'M GUTTED BEYOND BELIEF!!!! it really isn't worth the money,on console anyway. Work really has to be done with this pad. I expected so much from this and I was really looking forward to experiencing extra immersion. Even with the dial turned fully up it is just a small vibration and not really a feedback. I'm sending it straight back but hoping that some update will come eventually for console. This is really just a little addition to your review as you don't have a console. Don't waste your money people...I'm sure it's great though through USB on PC. Great work Karl. Much love.

[@JoshGRacing]

Thanks for the great review Karl! Some other reviews I've seen dance around the verdict and won't answer some kind of questions...

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah I've watched a few now too after reading the comments here... some very exaggerated reviews, missing a lot of important technical information and then giving misleading information in other areas... not the best IMO.

[@benoitparadis602]

great to see you back , you just saved me money !!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate!

[@Garfie1d73]

Best review I've seen so far. Saved me a lot of money because I was quite hyped by other - obviously biased - "reviews". Thank you very much.

[@KarlGosling]

No problem!

[@bguitarmasta12]

The best review of a product I've seen in a long time

[@KarlGosling]

Thank you!

[@speedgoat7496]

I’ve just bought one, after a bit of tweaking it’s amazing. But I’ve never experienced transducers 😊

[@masibabatosim9463]

I like your honesty in all your hardware reviews and very well done and explained videos... thank you. keep it up!

[@KarlGosling]

I appreciate that!

[@Liquid_Jake__]

Karl your videos are amazing, but it would be great if you could start adding time stamps. I rewatch your videos to compare products and it would be great if it was setup in chapters.

[@KarlGosling]

I understand mate but for me they encourage people to skip what I consider important parts of the videos (often then drawing incorrect conclusions about products I'm reviewing).

[@Liquid_Jake__]

@@KarlGosling Understandable, maybe something you could add a while after the video is released if you have the time? Like after the initial wave of views? Just an idea, the content is always great regardless.

[@janmeyer3703]

Thanks Karl for all these enjoyable and informative videos!

[@KarlGosling]

My pleasure!

[@vitek134]

Thanks for the review as someone who still uses office chair and stand this looks as something i could get to enhance driving for relatively little money.

[@KarlGosling]

No problem 👍

[@wallstreetomegazoe2963]

Thank you very much for this review, You're the only reviewer that mentioned specifically that this product does not contain traducers.

[@KarlGosling]

A very important detail IMO!

[@s7ai]

Top notch honest review! Subbed 👍

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks for the sub!

[@stephencoe5161]

Although the software in dirt 2 was an issue. The fact they listened to you & removed it to I assume rectify the problem is a positive move in the right direction. I think its like going from a DD1 ect back to a belt drive you wouldn't do it but the other way around makes sense & if you've never had tactile transducers you wouldn't know the difference. As they say in their promo its an entry level affordable alternative. love your work & great to see you back creating content Stay safe & well

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah I did wonder if they removed it after my communication. Exactly, for PC it's an entry level haptic setup... but then a BKA is cheaper and much better even though only a single channel IMO.

[@miketerpening3880]

One of the main points to discuss about an item like this is how it feels after sitting on it for an hour or two straight. I have another companies exact same thing collecting dust in the closet as I use tactile transducers now. The main issue with these types of items is the pressure points of the motors under your legs cause discomfort from sitting on them after a while. They may have remedied that with this possibly if the motor is encased in a full plastic cover the whole shape of each pad, but that’s highly unlikely. Karly you really should try DIY ambient lighting on your rig, it’s a game changer. Simhub has an option in it and the Prismatik software is another great option. I have a couple clips on my channel if you want to see it in action.

[@KarlGosling]

Definitely a consideration Mike. My triple 55" OLEDs provide accurate ambient lighting as I drive mate, one of the benefits of being in a "booth" they are my only light source! :D

[@ryanblumenow]

Which other kit do you have?

[@tomgreen876]

great and informative as always Karl, keen to try this one myself

[@capinure]

Really appreciate your balanced review here.

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate.

[@guitarsimon1]

Thank goodness I can replace the 8 PS5 controllers I’ve been sitting on, that was getting uncomfortable and expensive!

[@Bobbob-qo2tv]

On sale (130-150) HF8 is a good buy for anyone who doesn't have any type of feedback and wants something and knows they won't be spending crazy money on sim racing stuff, if ur someone who can see themselves throwing some money into sim racing then HF8 is not what your looking for

[@darpots5018]

Great review Karl. As an SRS owner with just the cushion I was wondering if this was as good an upgrade as the Shake 6. Now I have my answer. Thank you

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah definitely not.

[@markmay3705]

Good to see you back dude, great review and great to see you looking more like yourself again. Take it easy dude 👍🏻

[@KarlGosling]

Thank you Mark, feeling much better!

[@justincarter3779]

Back in the game Karlos! 😁

[@KarlGosling]

Oh yes!

[@woodie228]

Literally watched Tron Legacy last night. Nice shirt. Thanks for the review.

[@KarlGosling]

Great timing!

[@bobk4438]

You have just ruined my birthday. I was going to ask for this.

[@KarlGosling]

It's better than nothing if you're on PC... But I'd go SRS U-Shake6 given the choice.

[@Tom_Sclanders]

Bloody great review Karl. Always integrity first!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks Tom!

[@Lonederanger]

Looking a lot better mate!! Great info thankyou

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks Rob, feeling a lot better!

[@rpgfan8650]

I bought a $30 massage pad from Ebay and put on my rig. Works fine for me lol

[@KarlGosling]

Very similar mate! lol

[@anone3842]

Didn't notice that point about them not being tactile transducers in another youtubers review - I was wondering why this was much cheaper than the SRS pad. Now I know... think i'll leave that there. Others said it just feels like laggy vibration instead of rumble.

[@steffendetrick]

It’s probably gone from dirt rally 2.0 because they pulled it to add the other telemetry features and finish the software. I take that as a positive not a negative That they’re listening to feedback. still not 100% sold on this product. I’ll probably give it a shot though it’s only 170 bucks on Amazon right now and you have a 30 day return window

[@RJ-cq8dd]

The U-shake6 is on its way, hope it's worth the extra couple hundred euros! (As i probably have to pay import taxes as well to the Netherlands). I now have nothing so it will be an infinite improvement anyway.

[@redcar2011]

Nice to see you back 👍

[@KarlGosling]

Thank you!

[@Followyourpassions]

Hello, again an honest review👌. But I still ordered one for my Ps5 and series x. I have an audio splitter and the buttkicker gamer 2. I can choose higher frequencies on my buttkicker. And cut off the really low frequencies with my receiver. Combined with the HF8 that reacts to lower frequencies(my assumption) ... Hoping it will be a good combo. I can't find the exact low frequencies when the HF8 will start reacting. I can choose to use my buttkicker for lower frequencies if the HF8 reacts more to higher frequencies. It's still stereo output... So the left and right sound output will make some kind of difference in feeling. Driving over left and right curbs will feel different I hope. Even if it's subtile. If I don't like it I send it back. Most racing games have sound options... So I can adjust it a bit how it will react. Also depending on the game. About haptic feedback... Less is more.. I realize that. I don't want my sim setup rumble all the time. Thats useless.. I want more subtile feedback reacting to different frequencies so I know what's going on with my car only by using the sound output. I sold my t300rs and bought the Fanatec GT DD pro(8nm) for my Ps5 and series x. That will give more immersion also. The psvr2 is pre-ordered for GT7. The headset has an rumble device build in. All this combined.. That wil be more immersive for sure. Not as on pc. I realize that. But I'm using the buttkicker 2 for 5 months now and I'm very pleased with it. Thanks for all the informational videos. Really helpfull. Grtz from belgium.

[@Tk-Howes]

Hello mate! Glad to hear your able to run the buttkicker gamer 2 with your ps5, I was wondering how/what audiosplitter you have used to connect it to the ps5? I’ve read that I might need a hdmi audio splitter, was it as simple as plug and play? Any more information will be greatly appreciated! (Sorry, I know almost nothing about audio!)

[@Followyourpassions]

@@Tk-Howes hello, my optical TV output converted to analog out and connected it to my (amplifier) buttkicker gamer 2. And yes, it's plug and play. I ordered the hf 8 but got a message it's only available from may. So I cancelled it. Don't want it anymore . I did bought the next level racing DD wheelstand with the gtseat add on(full cockpit). I received the Fanatec DD pro 8nm and clubsport handbrake. Much better. The hf8 is not a necessity. My new setup is ideal for rally games. Pré ordered the psvr2. That's enough money😬. No vacation for me this summer. But yeah, vacation is only one week. This rig setup with the DD pro and psvr 2 for GT 7 will last me for years. Still expensive but an easy choice instead of going on vacation. Priorities 😉. Expecting a lot from gt7 on the psvr2. All the cars, detailed interiors, that will be impressive. It's the full game, 4k,120 Frames, hdr and eye tracking rendering. I could have bought a small second used car with this amount of money. But I don't use my car a lot. I have this for racing and will use my bicycle a lot more. I don't care.

[@Tk-Howes]

@@Followyourpassions haha great I’ll be looking to purchase one soon aswell! I’m in the same boat as you, I have also preordered the psvr2 so hopefully it’ll live up to the hype I’ve seen so far!😅thanks for the quick reply!

[@Followyourpassions]

@@Tk-Howes the optical output is from my TV, converted to analog. It's not possible connecting it to my ps5 directly. The advantage... I can use it also for my series x. And the DD pro is compatible with the series x. Just need a extra wheel. Hoping Forza motorsports will be more Sim this time. But I'm not expecting a lot. Great visuals.. But not one word about wheel support. Sounds a bit worrying. FM compared to gt is a big difference for using it with a sim setup. Don't know why . We have forza horizon as an arcade game. FM should be more Sim. Just like gt7. That's very close to a sim game. I have assetto corsa also. But gt 7 is so much more. They call ACC a real sim. But honestly... Gt7 is almost a pure sim also. Not such a big difference compared to assetto corsa. That said. I'm sure acc and F1 will get vr support in the future. It's already happening on pc. Ps5 will follow.

[@LeoDavidson]

It's a nice idea. But, like you say, vibration motors don't seem the right tool for this job. With sim-racing stuff, there's stuff that makes sense on a budget, and stuff that makes sense if you can afford extra, and then there's stuff in-between which might seem like a good deal but is gonna get replaced and was never really worth the money. :D Something I have learned from experience. (That said, affordable stuff is getting much better now, especially the newer direct-drive wheelbases! So it's not a hard rule.)

[@KarlGosling]

Agreed mate!

[@TheMash84]

Hi Karl, thanks for another unbiased and well done video. I just spotted this device few days ago and would like to try it, considering also the black Friday. It's currently at 190£ and I've never used full tactile setups, and from what I gathered the transducers are quite loud, and living in a flat it's not ideal (also way more expensive). I've the full version of SimHub and from what I've seen it works great paired with it. Due to space also a full rig setup with motion platform is not an option at the moment. So I guess this would a good kit to experience more immersion and receive feedback from the car whilst driving. I'd use it with AC, ACC, DR 1 and 2 and will try it also with EA WRC even though the latter feels somewhat simplistic when compared to better sims like AC and ACC. Thanks!

[@KarlGosling]

All good mate, give it a go! Just to point out transducers make no noise at all, lose objects on your rig might though.

[@crumbsNbass]

Love the shirt. Miss u Tron.

[@elbowsout6301]

Great video Karl. You know you probably could have tried it in "audio mode" on your PC 🤪 or maybe even connected it to your old Sega Genesis. 😁 I'm sure the effect would have been the same on the PC in audio mode as a modern console.

[@KarlGosling]

In reality I could of had I a 3.5mm to 3.5mm cable... but it's just not a good way to use the HF8 anyway, all 8 motors spinning to game audio! lol

[@kristaps2010]

I'm so jealous about PC sim racers for ability to add tactile transducers/haptics. We need this kind of stuff for console players. This one would be a choice for console users. Vibration motors are not bad and price too. Totally agree, I would always pay bit of extra for better immersion. If you like something you stick with it for years, so it's worth. OMG no ground effect for ACC, that's only thing I play on PS5 and bit of dirt 2. generous and fair for iRacing. Thanks Karl for review.

[@mike_33gt]

You can use it with PS5 :) Just you need a laptop on the same wifi and simhub. But only GT7

[@RJ-cq8dd]

If you like sim racing then just buy a pc. AC is still great, tons of mods and works on a low specd gaming pc.

[@mike_33gt]

@@RJ-cq8dd gt7 is ok as well. a good driver will be good at any game, I believe.

[@RJ-cq8dd]

@@mike_33gt Sure. But GT7 does not have mods. On AC i can pretty much race any car on any track. And there is 0 grind. If i like a car i select it and race it. I don't have to grind 20 hours to buy it.

[@mike_33gt]

@@RJ-cq8dd do cars in ac have such details like in gt7? i play only vr. i heard it takes months to create a car and I also jave seen companies selling cars for ac...

[@easybreeze1]

Great honest review, 100% better than all the rest. My only lasting thought is whether it is any good, doesn't actually feel like you reviewed it as such, more talked about what it is. You mentioned about working with simhub but didn't show it and whether it made it better. Really interested in this but still not sure if it's worth it, I get it is not as good as transducers but is it any good?

[@KarlGosling]

For the money, it's ok... on PC, using Sim Hub... otherwise no, save your pennies mate.

[@easybreeze1]

Thanks Karl.

[@lolongo]

thanks for an honest review - I fell for the rubbish influencer reviews and went ahead and ordered one. I just assumed it would be based on tactile transducers. That will definitely be going back. I have fiddled with transducers on my rig, and I didnt like the hassle of it so I am in the market for a simpler solution like this. But I also want the feel and power of transducers. So I guess I will check out the U-Shake 6.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah a night and day difference between vibration motors and transducers, if you have the budget then the U-Shake6 is much better.

[@ak33lsolid91]

hope your well pal

[@tonyball5819]

Hi Karl, am sure you're aware but I'll mention it anyway. You can use SimHub in conjunction with an Xbox (and PS I presume). I have Xbox output Telemetry to SimHub which is running on a Laptop. From there I get all the SimHub functionality and configuration for the majority of Xbox driving games, F1, Forza, Dirt etc. So I have bass shakers, dashboard and LEDs all working on my rig being run by SimHub through USB but whilst playing Xbox.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah it's not something I've seen in person but I was aware of it, I don't like to recommend things I've not actually tried myself and I'd guess most console users probably don't go this route or may not even know about it?.... sounds like you have a nice setup though Tony! :D

[@tonyball5819]

@@KarlGosling that's understandable. I have a pretty good setup for a console but still not as good as yours! 😜 I did initially try a bass shaker using the audio from Xbox and it was pants. Thats when I tried SimHub running on laptop and was a game changer for me. I then added a second bass shaker and designed and 3d printed my own dashboard with LEDs. Still can't drive fast to save my life but all good fun ! Love your videos by the way.

[@Bruhop60]

Great honest review. Thank you

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate!

[@Logic-Films]

Looking good dude !

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate!

[@EGaenzle]

Thanx for the review man. Almost bought it. Lol

[@WilsonBradleyTheOfficial]

Bought it (On ly because of MSflight sim support) .. The software conflicted with others in Win 11. Couldn't actually get it to work. Already have shackers (2 front) and a buttkicker.. Returned it

[@Slow370Z]

Ushake6 is the better choice! Thank you

[@KarlGosling]

Agreed!

[@stephenadams7596]

GREAT VID M8 . Your the only person mentioned to get all the feed back you need SIM HUB . Ok so which would you choose single BUT KICKER or this ????????

[@bobjames6622]

That's the VERY question I have too!

[@mirshia5248]

apples and oranges

[@adamfromabove84]

Or both? I would like to know

[@mirshia5248]

@@adamfromabove84 no, rumble motors dont make sense for the seat, they do for pedals or anything with linear movement

[@blekenbleu]

A single butt kicker is really best for a single effect or multiple effects that are unlikely to occur simultaneously. Multiple effects mixed to a single tactile device often get muddled. For example, engine vibration tends to drown out anything else.

[@jabout6366]

Good review, thank you.

[@KarlGosling]

Glad it was helpful!

[@eddsson]

Karl, you rock.

[@Azurantine81]

Unfortunately Karl I don't think this was ever intended for people that already have tactile transducers, it is meant for those of us that can't be bothered to get into that complexity and just want to plug and play. Since I use Sim Hub by default this is not a negative for me. To be fair I think you have to look at it from the point of view that the person buying it has no feedback other than the wheel itself, as you did at the end.

[@KarlGosling]

Agreed Adam! I still recommend the SRS U-Shake6 if money allows as thats a much better plug and play experience with software that actually works.

[@RichAbe23]

I can never get tactile transducers to provide me localized experience since regardless of where I place it they effect the entire rig, though they are excellent immersion products. I bought one and if it doesn’t serve this purpose then I’ll return it.

[@Mr_Latte_UK]

@@KarlGosling Yet its also possible to do d.i.y solutions that can far exceed the U-Shake6 The question is, would you ever be interested in being guided through how to achieve such?

[@grayzedynamics]

SRS HERE I COME. Your reviews are priceless. Do you have an affiliate code for the SRS?

[@KarlGosling]

Thank you! Yes mate - 𝐒𝐢𝐦 𝐑𝐚𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐒𝐭𝐮𝐝𝐢𝐨 - www.simracingstudio.com/?ref=vr9j2b9qez

[@boblatouche2273]

i see it useful for other games than sims.. maybe shooters

[@anthonygreene9083]

I tryed this HF8 there is alot issues with it getting it to turn on setting it up the software it feels like a massage chair than something to do with racing. I will and would hold off buying it yet. They need to sort it out. In my opinion and it's my opinion they should not be selling it yet as it's work in progress.

[@TheDontGame]

Hello, I've stumbled upon your channel looking for some reveiw of the Asetek Invicta Pedals. I've really liked the review you made. In this video it's seem your pedals are the Fanatec V3, I was wondering if it's because you prefer those one in the end for Simracing compare to the Asetek, or that the Asetek you had was for review only. In the end, do you recommend the Asetek or the Fanatec ? And if the Fanatec are recommended have you added any damper to them ? Also, if you cannot answer because of some sponsoring, I understand no worries. Cheers for all the videos you make.

[@KarlGosling]

The brake pedal is too hard for my liking on the Asetek pedals, thats why I have stayed with my V3's. The Asetek pedals are much higher quality, but they are double the price so they should be. Which you would prefer is your choice and not something I can recommend for you mate.

[@TheDontGame]

​@@KarlGosling Cheers ! It's good to know, I'll keep that in mind, thanks a lot

[@richmurphy8337]

Good honest review.

[@dr2165]

I'd love to see a review of this in a year or so time to see if they manage to deliver on the software side. it feels rushed at this point.

[@KarlGosling]

Even with the software finished (Sim Hub works great for now) they still use motors which are slow to respond, slow to stop and don't give "real" tactile feedback like transducers do... it's an entry level product at an entry level price so can't complain too much really.

[@thoritissimgarage1482]

Good honest review!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks!

[@sas2dj]

If you like Dirt Rally 2, try Richard Burns Rally, it's fantastic

[@KarlGosling]

For me the visuals are just too far gone and it has no triple screen support or I'd actually try to ignore the graphics and race anyway! lol

[@MrCMHUDDY]

Karl, just ordered one today... Thanks for the review. Am just about to watch it so, please forgive me if you answered this, but... Will it fit to the PlaySeat Challenge do you think?

[@adamfromabove84]

Looking at that.. I would guess not

[@KarlGosling]

It would be snug, depends how big you are too.

[@MrCMHUDDY]

@@KarlGosling Thanks Karl... The frustrating thing is I have a Next Level GT Track rig in pieces but no room for it, so snug with the Playseat would do, for now... I'm 5'10" 85kg. The Playseat Challenge has been such an amazing buy. Mine is modded to hell and easily handles my Moza R9 and Heusinkveld sprints... I just hope the HF8 isn't a mod too far :)

[@TopseCret_101]

Thank you for another great review. Is this product (or a Buttkicker) worth purchasing if it is being used on a console? I would like to improve my immersion/realism while playing Assetto Corsa, Dirt Rally 2.0, and F1. I'm new to sim racing and haven't made the leap to a PC...….yet

[@KarlGosling]

If you can only use an audio output then I would say no mate... just my opinion though as I'm used to a proper tactile setup.

[@TopseCret_101]

@@KarlGosling I appreciate the honesty. Do you have videos on getting started in PC sim racing (buying vs building a PC?).

[@scuderiabazzane6064]

tried it for two days, it's of little use and it's really really uncomfortable! returned...

[@benyoung5092]

Hey Karl! Great review. Off subject, but will you be reviewing the MVH Studio load cell pedal for G29?? Many thanks!

[@KarlGosling]

Yes it's on it's way to me! :)

[@benyoung5092]

@@KarlGosling look forward to it. Cheers buddy!

[@andygloves7415]

Great honest review, quick question, will the SRS u shake 6 work with a xbox series x? Thankyou

[@KarlGosling]

You'd need to check with SRS mate sorry - 𝐒𝐢𝐦 𝐑𝐚𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐒𝐭𝐮𝐝𝐢𝐨 - www.simracingstudio.com/?ref=vr9j2b9qez

[@frankdill1370]

just order the u-shake6 used your code

[@KarlGosling]

Ah enjoy mate! :)

[@fone5003]

I'd like to pay attention to the review but I'm far too busy thinking about how cool that Tron t-shirt is

[@KarlGosling]

lol thanks mate!

[@pr0gre551ve]

Great review Karl! Does it fit on Playseat Challenge?

[@00Clive00]

Come on Karl, I want to see you do a Quest 2 review of Grid Legends!

[@KarlGosling]

I'll try to take a look mate, I do get motion sickness after a while in VR when driving.

[@00Clive00]

@@KarlGosling Only kidding mate, Grid Legends looks pretty offensive on the eyes alone, I wouldn't want to put you through that. 😅

[@RaindancerAU]

On the website they have a list of compatible games showing Dirt Rally 2.0 in the screenshot, yet when you look at the actual list it is not there as well. I think they pulled it from the software and maybe the software gets the list of compatible games dynamically when it loads up -EDIT- FH5 and FM7 also appear in the screenshot

[@KarlGosling]

I was thinking the same mate.

[@RaindancerAU]

@@KarlGosling heard that they pulled the games from the beta release and will include them once again further down the line in a later release